Even as... restrictions reduced the legal abortion rate to near zero in some states, there were large increases in places where abortions remained legal. Researchers said they were driven by the expansion of telemedicine for mail-order abortion pills, increased options and assistance for women who traveled, and a surge of publicity about ways to get abortions. The response by abortion providers and activists to the end of Roe v. Wade, it seems, has resulted in more access to abortion in states where it’s still legal — not just for women traveling from states with bans but also for women living there.... In the 12 months after the Dobbs decision in June 2022, there were on average 82,298 abortions a month, compared with 82,115 in the two months before Dobbs....
I'd like to see more detailed information. I had to look up how late into pregnancy an abortion pill works. The answer is 10 weeks. What if Dobbs hasn't reduced the number of abortions, but it has motivated women to seek early abortions? Has there been a decrease in mid- and late-term abortions?
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Those of us who had sex before birth control know very well that girls know how to count. If your girlfriend was three days late, you were hearing about it. At five days, you were on her shit list. When her period came in a full week late it was all “la di da” as if nothing had ever happened.
in states where it was legal
There’s the important part - women are traveling to states where abortion is still legal.
After all, what would be the explanation for an overall increase in abortions after Dobbs? Women who always intended to abort can still do it post-Dobbs. Women who wanted to carry their child to term are now going to say “I wanted this baby, but now that Dobbs was struck down, I’m going to abort while I still can”?
in states where it was legal
There’s the important part - women are traveling to states where abortion is still legal.
After all, what would be the explanation for an overall increase in abortions after Dobbs? Women who always intended to abort can still do it post-Dobbs. Women who wanted to carry their child to term are now going to say “I wanted this baby, but now that Dobbs was struck down, I’m going to abort while I still can”?
I suspect that the experience of having to travel for an abortion will increase one’s incentive to avoid pregnancy to begin with. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out over time, both in law and in resulting reliable statistics.
Now that I think more about it and look at the very small numerical difference, I think that this was just a very short term effect of some women who would have aborted pre-Dobbs getting panicked that it would all get shut down across the US, and getting the abortion before that might happen. The abortion rate really didn’t tick up all that much.
I wonder what the difference would have been if we had an economy that gave people confidence they could afford to raise a child.
"After all, what would be the explanation for an overall increase in abortions after Dobbs?"
1. The general increase in the population — more women capable of getting of getting pregnant.
2. More awareness of abortion as an option and exposure to the staunch supporters of abortion.
3. More despair about the predicament of being a woman in this world.
Despair of being a woman in this world?
Western women are the most privileged class in world history
"After all, what would be the explanation for an overall increase in abortions after Dobbs?"
1. The general increase in the population — more women capable of getting of getting pregnant.
2. More awareness of abortion as an option and exposure to the staunch supporters of abortion.
3. More despair about the predicament of being a woman in this world.
Women having sex more frequently with men, etc etc. Of course it's the NYT so we should expect the most manipulation by now. The trouble with these stats is they do not depict the doom and gloom we were warned us about if SCOTUS reversed, try as NYT might. The stats certainly don't indicate a lack of access and if Ann is correct women could be opting for earlier, safer options.
I don't get Ann's despair theory, though- shouldn't more abortions be a cause for NYT celebration? Does the story have lots of girlie-font exclamation points and 'You go girls!!!'? Why not?
"Western women are the most privileged class in world history"
Privileged enough to believe we get to decide whether to bring a child into the world. Not privileged enough to feel confident that it will go well if we do.
Privileged enough to believe we get to decide whether to bring a child into the world. Not privileged enough to feel confident that it will go well if we do.
...and who's fault is that? I didn't vote for these people...
"Privileged enough to believe we get to decide whether to bring a child into the world. Not privileged enough to feel confident that it will go well if we do."
Privileged enough to decide to end a life that has NO privilege. There are things the privileged women can do to make sure she doesn't have to make that decision.
“What if Dobbs hasn't reduced the number of abortions, but it has motivated women to seek early abortions?“
At what point in a pregnancy does the maternal instinct start to kick in? There could be an unintended consequence to states forcing an earlier decision.
I had to look up how late into pregnancy an abortion pill works. The answer is 10 weeks.
That's not accurate. The whole "weeks" thing is hopeless. Nobody knows when conception happens. Weeks is always a guess by obstetricians.
Here's a horror story in The New Republic entitled The Rise of DIY Abortions.
She thought she was week 14, took RU-486. The baby she killed was a lot bigger than she expected. And she was so paralyzed with what she had done, she was incapable of burying the corpse in the yard like a normal criminal. So it was under her bed. And then she kept it on her grill outside. "My baby is in the box." Ugh.
That's a great point Mary beth. A lot of people pine for the good old days of the 1950s. In those days the wealthy were taxed at a extremely high rate something like 80%. Now the way tax law works the wealthy at most might pay 20% of their income in taxes. Tech companies are even worse old school companies are subject to moderate tax rates while they largest and most wealthy tech companies pay low single digits in taxes.
I think this is the largest single issue that both sides of the debate can get behind. Unfortunately the powers that be the social media government complex has algorithms running wild to keep our pain anxiety and stress levels at an all-time high so that nobody has any empathy for anybody anymore and they get to play both ends against the middle well they laugh all the way to the bank in there mega yacht.
“1. The general increase in the population — more women capable of getting of getting pregnant.“
If the point of the article is to measure the difference in number of abortions post Dobbs, the population increase needs to be factored out.
“2. More awareness of abortion as an option and exposure to the staunch supporters of abortion.“
How does exposure to staunch supporters of abortion have a significant effect on the number of abortions performed over a period of time? It could be both a positive and a negative factor.
“3. More despair about the predicament of being a woman in this world.“
How does despair about being woman in this world lead one to get an abortion? I would think any despair would come from the social or economic reasons, not because someone’s a woman or because of Dobbs. I don’t get this as a driver of abortions post Dobbs. You have to find yourself to be pregnant first. You may get an abortion earlier than intended, but that doesn’t change the number of abortions.
Just trying to understand here….
Privilege and despair can coexist. See Louis XVI as an example.
Despair is a universal emotion. How long one is consigned to it depends on the condition and the individual. We all feel it, but only some live it. A very few cherish it and hold it close, finding within it a reason for holding on to life.
You'll want to avoid these folks if you can. Best of luck to all.
This only seems like a doom-and-gloom story for pro- and anti-abortion interest groups. Raising money to continue either side of the fight will be more difficult if Dobbs hasn't been disruptive.
There isn't much detailed data and it is only for 12 months, but the Dobbs doesn't seem to have stopped many abortions and they are happening earlier. Good, no?
Over time, better data will allow states to modify their abortion laws to comply with the intentions of their citizens.
A lot of people pine for the good old days of the 1950s. In those days the wealthy were taxed at a extremely high rate something like 80%. Now the way tax law works the wealthy at most might pay 20% of their income in taxes.
Like the gender pay gap this is one of those myths that just won't die. Yes, rates were higher back in 'the good old days' but everything was deductible so the effective rates were lower- quite a bit lower. The mortgage interest, the car, the country club dues, the meals, the trips- write it all off. Also the highest rates impacted an astonishingly few- not the one percent or even the top one percent of the one percent. Really more like a few hundred households in any given year...
...and just finishing up another tax season I will attest the wealthiest Americans pay much more than 20% effective rates, even the carried interest guys...
"Western women are the most privileged class in world history"
Hence the despair.
Comparisons to "the two months before Dobbs" are going to be distorted, because the Dobbs decision had leaked by then.
I suspect that the small difference they identified is just statistical noise. Abortions have been trending up since 2019.
Americans have been having less sex in recent years, which would work against a population-based explanation. It's possible that the surge in illegal immigration has caused a spike in abortions, but I think most of those immigrants are men.
Having to travel is going to reduce abortion, no matter how much one makes travel easier.
Increased use of telemedicine could drive increased abortion, but that's a pandemic effect, and not a Dobbs thing.
"Despite State Bans..."
"...states where it’s legal"
In what state is abortion banned? I believe it is legal in every state. Am I wrong about this?
Ann...I can see your #1.
But #2: "More awareness of abortion as an option and exposure to the staunch supporters of abortion." More awareness? It's hard to avoid. It's literally one of the most marketed procedures we've ever had. We have entire government funded companies that exist just to promote and do it. We have thousand woman (and men) marches to promote it. An entire political party campaigning for it, while the other campaigns against it (or for fewer). It is praised in the schools, called a 'right' by most people with degrees in their back pockets. It's hardly underexposed.
And #3: "More despair about the predicament of being a woman in this world." That sounds like a personal take. Or one that is taught to our women. What happened to the strong women of our society? We praise women beyond their actual accomplishments in all facets of our life, while at the same time making sure young men know that they are toxic. We have the Press Secretary of our President telling the world she's 'historic' because she's (a) Black, (b) a woman, and (c) lesbian. Not because she actually accomplished anything. I dunno. My wife is not in despair. Nor do her friends seem to be. And I doubt very much you are. So...?
After all is said and done, the abortion question always comes down to the issue of whether the aborted fetus is “alive”. What I’ve never been able to comprehend fully is the opinion that the question of “life” depends on the state of mind of the mother. When a pregnant woman who wants to have a baby miscarries— at two months, at nine months, whenever -- it is universally recognized as a tragedy. But when a pregnant women who does not want to have a baby aborts the baby, it is no more tragic (in the minds of many) as no more tragic than an appendectomy.
So I guess all that fury about Dobbs is just partisan politics with Dems appealing to women. No change, no surprise. If the GOP thought they had won the argument regarding abortion, they were wrong. In fact, the removal of Roe vs. Wade turned abortion availability into a political issue that people could vote on, and women turned out to "protect abortion rights" even in Illinois, where there is no serious opposition to abortion rights.
The GOP is falling apart like the Whigs in the nineteenth century. They are a collection of tribes who like to fight but never win.
It would appear to me that, statistically speaking, the numbers are the same. Much ado is being made about nothing, to bolster a preferred narrative. It would be interesting to see the comparative breakdown of the demographics and the choice of timing (how far along), but I suspect there's not much to see there, either.
The Democrats have made some shrill political hay out of the issue, but the changes have not had nearly as profound an impact as both sides would like to see. They'll just have to pretend harder.
Wow. Something actually got women to quit procrastinating. Feminists are probably furious.
In what state is abortion banned? I believe it is legal in every state. Am I wrong about this?
The laws are in a state of flux. I thought heartbeat was the earliest, but some states have gone further.
I think every state allows abortion in some circumstances.
For instance, it is said that Mississippi completely bans abortion, but they allow it to save the pregnant woman's life, and they allow it in cases of rape.
Also, emergency contraception is still protected under Griswold, regardless of what any state says.
Even if a state were to outlaw abortion from conception, without any exceptions, I would argue pretty strongly that you can't enforce that criminal law until implantation, because you can't prove that an abortion happened.
We don't know for sure that a woman is pregnant until implantation (7 to 10 days after conception if I remember right).
That's the first time we can tell if anybody is pregnant, via chemical tests. Once the zygote implants in the walls of the uterus, mom's body starts producing the pregnancy hormone. (That's how all the pregnancy tests in the drug store work).
I would urge all pro-lifers to talk about what a blessing emergency contraception is for rape victims. And I would urge all pro-choice people to do the same, of course.
There are serious due process concerns in trying to prosecute a doctor for an abortion when you can't prove there was a pregnancy, and thus can't prove there was an abortion. That seems to me pretty basic.
Even post-Roe, a woman discovering she was pregnant would result in informing the presumed father, and some back and forth about marriage, support, "are we ready for this" etc. Compressing the time frame for that in 6 week states would presumably drive up the comparable number temporarily.
" an overall increase in abortions after Dobbs"
This overall increase was driven by the unusually high number of abortions in March 2023. In that month according to the Society of Family Planning report used by the Times there were 10, 565 more abortions than in March 2022. The reported cumulative increase in abortions in the year after Dobbs was 2200. Had it not been for the out of line increase in abortions in March 2023, abortions in the US would have decreased by 6 or 7 thousand.
The question is: why the huge increase in March of 2023? March is eight weeks after Christmas but that would lead to an large monthly total in March every year. I don't know why there would be 10,000 more in 2023. We need to understand this.
The increase might suggest a determination to have an early abortion. The report also documents an increase in the number of telehealth abortions which are abortions using a pill and which are by definition early abortions. Taken together, these figures might indicate a trend toward avoiding late-term abortions. This would be good.
Quotes:
"In the year since the Dobbs decision, compared to the average monthly number
of abortions observed in the pre-Dobbs period of April and May 2022, there were
2,200 cumulative more abortions during the 12 months July 2022 to June 2023
(Table 2)."
,,,
The greatest increases in the monthly average number of abortions occurred in
March 2023 with 10,565 more abortions than the pre-Dobbs period (Table 3).
...
"Abortions provided by virtual-only clinics continue to increase in the post-Dobbs
period, increasing from a monthly average of 4,045 abortions before the Dobbs
decision (nearly 5% of all abortions), to an average of 6,950 abortions per month
in the 12 months following the Dobbs decision (greater than 8% of all abortions). " *
*https://societyfp.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/WeCountReport_10.16.23.pdf (section called National Findings.)
There could be an unintended consequence to states forcing an earlier decision.
I'm sure there will be. There always are. Is the unintended consequence you're thinking of a decline in motherhood because before, at least some of the women who, at 8 weeks, thought they wanted an abortion but didn't get one right away would change their minds (or miss their opportunity) and have the baby? I have read that this does happen.
It chills me, still, that on the pro-abortion side, the emphasis is always "Look how many abortions!" rather than "Look how many unwanted pregnancies!" An ounce of prevention, people. And when prevention fails - women who have had abortions are not all - are not even mostly - in the "Shout your abortion!" rah-rah camp; whereas women who, in an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy situation, decide not to have an abortion (or miss their opportunity) overwhelmingly do not regret having their child. Yes, including women who get pregnant from being raped.
I need to try to find that stat...
In the 12 months after the Dobbs decision in June 2022, there were on average 82,298 abortions a month, compared with 82,115 in the two months before Dobbs....
so, that's MORE alright! also known as "about 0.2% more", or known about damn same!
add in decreases in the states that ban it, and You would have to be senile to think it's an increase
In a world where education at every level has been re-vamped to cater to girls and women. In a world where women vastly outnumber men at most colleges and universities. In a world where standards are bent, lowered or twisted to ensure that women can “graduate” Ranger School, despite actually failing by every objective standard. In a world where a woman can decide to end her marriage on a whim, and thus turn her former husband into a debt slate.
Really, the only threat to women’s systemic advantage today comes from their own biological limitations, and the intrusions of men in lipstick into their sporting events.
"I'd like to see more detailed information."
Why? What do you care? Some women chose, that's all. None of your business, Bigot!
What difference, at this point, does it make?
82,000 clumps of cells on the uterine walls,
82,000 clumps of cells.
You swallow a pill,
You're briefly ill,
79,999 clumps of cells on the uterine walls.
"But when a pregnant women who does not want to have a baby aborts the baby, it is no more tragic (in the minds of many) as no more tragic than an appendectomy."
It is also tragic that we have not created and maintained a culture in which women feel safe and supported and confident about bringing a child their life. Careful, responsible women are not going to plunge into childrearing. If you want women to devote our bodies to childbearing, don't try to control us. Give us better reason to want to be mothers.
Abortion facilities have been notorious for years in not wanting to provide numbers of the abortions they commit. Now suddenly they are touting this flood of abortions?
Because I've got to tell you, when they are not saying that abortions are up up and away, they are saying that no one can get one and women are dying by the tens of thousands.
In any event, what we can say with assurance is that there are babies alive today who would be dead if it weren't for Dobbs.
Privileged enough to believe we get to decide whether to bring a child into the world.
The child is already in the world, that is precisely the reason to get rid of her.
Please have the honesty to say the truth: Privileged enough to believe we get to decide whether to kill a child.
Why only two months before the decision, and not 12?
As well, I'd expect the views given towards abortion to change slowly, as they did after Roe.
So, more women are aborting, selected, or more babies are aborted, selected, out of what, spite? The natural law of sex and conception has not changed. Choose wisely ladies and gentlemen.
It is also tragic that we have not created and maintained a culture in which women feel safe and supported and confident about bringing a child their life.
Yes. It is APPALLING that whether it is universities or high schools or the workplace or boyfriends or family members that women are so often coerced into aborting, sold the lie that they cannot have both a baby and a quality life, that they must sacrifice their child if they want an education or career, never being encouraged with life-affirming options.
So why do you do it?
Are women being steered to become sex props with social progress? Are they being steered to choose the wicked solution in order to relieve the mother and father's "burden"? Is planned parenthood a mechanism exploited to normalize DEI? To increase and sustain taxable commodities... persons? The State and corporations are a jealous lot.
RFKJ has a recent youtube selfie interview with a clinic that supports choice -- the choice to bring a baby to term. It's really interesting. For instance, I didn't know that black women at all socio-economic and education levels are at higher risk for maternal death. It's not about poverty or ignorance; it's something genetic about being black. And their phrasing around the word "choice" is refreshing.
>If you want women to devote our bodies to childbearing,<
We don't necessarily but it seems that Mother Nature does.
>Give us better reason to want to be mothers.<
That's like the bigger and stronger male members of the species saying, "Give us better reason to want to be construction workers."
What are you asking, Althouse? Are you asking if Dobbs has driven state lawmakers and abortion seekers to follow the guidance of Roe v Wade about 1st, 2nd, 3rd trimester abortions? Because that is just so crazy it might be correct.
"In the 12 months after the Dobbs decision in June 2022, there were on average 82,298 abortions a month, compared with 82,115 in the two months before Dobbs...."
Isn't this increase small enough to be categorized as statistically insignificant? Also, I read a fair amount about the abortion issue and it's always been difficult to find accurate statistics, accurately reported, so it's hard to have confidence that these numbers indicate any trend at all.
The pro-choice advocates include a lot of absolutists who actively thwart efforts to discover and compile abortion stats, especially data on later term abortions. Most news media skews pro-choice and will repeat Planned Parenthood talking points without any context and without further investigation. I'm sure that anti-abortion activists issue their own talking points that may not be strictly reliable either--although they are not the ones providing abortions so they probably can't manipulate the numbers easily.
For example, PP constantly stated that "abortions only constitute 3% of the services we provide to women." What that statistic hides is the fact that abortions bring in a huge proportion of PP's revenue; also, PP inflated the number of "services" they provide by breaking each visit down into micro-categories. A typical visit to obtain birth control would include counseling as to sexual activity, STD protection, quick mental health evaluation, and birth control options, followed by a gyn exam and breast palpation. Finally, the patient is given a prescription for birth control and perhaps referred to another facility or physician for follow-up care. Each one of these interactions was counted as a separate "service" by PP in order to arrive at their claim that abortions were only 3% of their business.
And as for late-term abortions, forget finding accurate stats. These are the most concerning and the most legally fraught cases and yet there is no complete data collected. It's the third rail in this debate---good luck finding reliable research, and the NYT would voluntarily close up shop before they would report fairly on the information that's out there indicating that there are many more elective abortions of viable late-term babies than is widely known.
It’s always a half truth big lie.
“Almost zero”
The difference between almost zero and not zero is infinity.
But I’m sure that phrasing is meant to portend an ominous future where if those right wing zealots get their way it will be zero.
So please keep sending us money and electing us and we’ll protect you.
so, that's MORE alright! also known as "about 0.2% more", or known about damn same!
Catastrophic anthropogenic human rites.
Careful, responsible women are not going to plunge into childrearing.
That's a weird thing to say. Are we supposed to believe that every year about a million Americans have birth control failures?
Because "careful, responsible women" like birth control, and use it.
I would suggest -- as a man who has had his share of drunk sex -- that a lot of unwanted pregnancies are caused by careless, irresponsible people.
It takes two people, a man and a woman (pay attention, kids, there will be a test later!) to make a baby. And both people are responsible when birth control is not used.
As a man, I know it's "fair" to hold me responsible for my sex life. If I'm hit with a paternity lawsuit, I say, "well, I fucked her, I didn't use birth control, that's on me, this is my baby." Why is it that in your world, girls are released from this moral obligation to be responsible for their sex lives?
A duty to our children makes us better people. The old saying is, "Adults don't make children, children make adults." How is it that stabbing or poisoning a tiny little baby is something responsible people do?
Regarding natural law, despite transgender advocacy, and Clinton appeals, Kamala still has one mother and one father. No mystery...
'I'd like to see more detailed information.'
I don't think you would get a good sense even if you had every piece of data you asked for. Far too much to be able to understand unless you are an AI entity.
But I think your premise of more early abortions is a good start...
So, women are reduced to political pawns by feminists, pleasure props by social liberals, womb banks by social progressives, taxable commodities by fascists, and girls to not rape-rape victims of diversity, equity, inclusion. Forward! #BLM
Or the data could be adulterated. Pro-abortionists will have an incentive to lie about the numbers of abortions post-Dodds, so I would be very careful in believing data from people who are surely pro-abortion. Pro-abortionists will want two things seem to be true- that Dodds increased the numbers of abortions, and that Dodds has increased the numbers of maternal deaths. It will be hard to find objective data on this subject, especially from the government/s.
Unfortunately, Abortion is a necessary evil. Every woman should have the morning after pill in her medicine cabinet and be ready to use it if she is not yet prepared to have a child.
The statistics cited are probably not seasonally corrected and the before/after difference is very small and probably insignificant. This was a journalist's failed attempt to be scientific while creating a click-bait article.
"Give us better reason to want to be mothers."
That's not how evolution works. But evolution does work.
Women deserve greater respect from society than to be indemnified from the predictable progress engendered by their elective choice(s). #WCM
Judging from the way some on the Left fangirl for abortion and proclaim its holy name to the very heavens, it wouldn't surprise me if lots of young Palestine meat is going out and deliberately getting pregnant solely to "speak truth to power" by obtaining abortions.
FJB
"It is also tragic that we have not created and maintained a culture in which women feel safe and supported and confident about bringing a child their life. Careful, responsible women are not going to plunge into childrearing. If you want women to devote our bodies to childbearing, don't try to control us. Give us better reason to want to be mothers."
I am speechless at this world view. Do you really feel this way? It seems really twisted, from my, my daughters', or my wife's experience.
Children are a joy, and make life worth living. Don't you have one?
"Give us better reasons to want to be mothers." Yes! Men Must Step Up! (Like always.)
Unfortunately, Abortion is a necessary evil. Every woman should have the morning after pill in her medicine cabinet and be ready to use it if she is not yet prepared to have a child.
Do you understand the difference between emergency contraception and the abortion pill RU-486?
Emergency contraception is "the morning after pill." Why would you demonize this wonderful treatment for rape victims by calling it an abortion, or saying that it's a necessary evil? I think of it as a blessing.
Well good. Then abortion ought not to be an issue in the 2024 campaigns.
Having said that why would serious people spend time doing anything other than poking fun at the ludicrous NYT?
@Howard: That's a great point Mary beth. A lot of people pine for the good old days of the 1950s. In those days the wealthy were taxed at a extremely high rate something like 80%. Now the way tax law works the wealthy at most might pay 20% of their income in taxes.
What percentage of federal income taxes does the upper 10% if income earners pay?
@H: After all is said and done, the abortion question always comes down to the issue of whether the aborted fetus is “alive”. What I’ve never been able to comprehend fully is the opinion that the question of “life” depends on the state of mind of the mother.
The abortion question should never, but always does, come down to whether the fetus is "alive" or has attained "personhood".
Which is singularly odd, because abortion isn't about aliveness begins, but rather how it ends. Looking at this from the proper direction, there are only two ways to die: natural causes, or from intent. Quibbling over what fits in which category (hit by lightning vs hit by someone who fell asleep at the wheel) is beside the point.
Abortion is *always* the intentional ending of an individual existence. There is a term for that: homicide.
(To be clear, H, I'm not criticizing your comment, which was spot-on, rather, I'm pointing out the obvious prevarication of those who will not discern beginning from ending.)
@Althouse: Careful, responsible women are not going to plunge into childrearing. If you want women to devote our bodies to childbearing, don't try to control us. Give us better reason to want to be mothers.
Nature isn't fair.
So comparing the numbers per month in the twelve months prior to Dobbs to the two months post-Dobbs shows an increase of 0.2%. Seems statistically meaningless, particularly given the odd comparison of twelve months to two (not to mention the difficulty in coming up with a number in the first place - who knows how many abortion pills are dispensed for potential future use rather than because a pregnancy has already resulted, or how many are taken by women who do not yet know if they are actually pregnant (morning-after pills)).
Further, according to the Society for Family Planning, there were 25,640
cumulative fewer abortions from July 2022 to March 2023, and in the nine months following the Dobbs decision, an average of 2,849 fewer abortions were provided in the US each month compared to April 2022.
"Give us better reasons to want to be mothers."
https://althouse.blogspot.com/2023/10/instagramming-from-tokyo.html
Not reason enough?
I get that women believe they have a right to determine whether the entity in their body, has a right to life. The taking of a life without being in harms way, is morally repugnant.
"In the 12 months after the Dobbs decision in June 2022, there were on average 82,298 abortions a month"
So ~987 million a year,
The average abortion costs $750 in the US so ~$740,682,000.00 per year. Someone's making money.
Full disclosure: I am 100% pro-abortion, no questions asked.
"Western women are the most privileged class in world history"
“Privileged enough to believe we get to decide whether to bring a child into the world. Not privileged enough to feel confident that it will go well if we do.”
Life is fraught with uncertainty. At least now, the chances of dying in childbirth are extremely low. That wasn’t the situation a century or so ago. We have a family grave site in MI, where several of my ancestors are buried with a wife on either side of them. The first wife inevitably had the kids, as many as she could, then died in childbirth. The second wife would then outlive the husband, sometimes for decades. That was the lot of many women back then - have as many kids as she could, lose many of them, and die in childbirth. Not anymore. Now, bring 2.1 fetuses to term, deliver them safely, and they have done their duty to society. Of course, raising the kids after that is more problematic. We pair bond in order to give the kids the best chance ar surviving and flourishing. Having kids without this has long been a recipe for failure. But that is on the women. For the most part, they voluntarily participated in the act of conception.
Scanning through this report and their earlier, partial ones I see that The Society Of Family Planning's post-Dobbs numbers are trash and their pre-Dobbs numbers, which they compare here to post-Dobbs to determine that there was a small increase in total, are stinky trash, full of maggots.
Lots of imputation, guesswork and backfilling based on paid self-reporting from a constantly shifting, suspected, possible number of abortion providers.
There should be a Trumpian disclaimer at the top of the report saying that their numbers shouldn't be trusted.
Or they could just say "We don't know" - but these people are mostly doctors so that's not gonna happen.
If you want such information it is available at Guttmacher Institute publications and helpline and Morbidity and Mortality weekly updates from the CDC. Both free, with support staff.
If they won't tell you, draw your own political conclusion. But years ago, when the abortion industry owned everything, they trumpeted their body count in precise detail.
And perhaps you might contemplate that as well.
What this fragmentary data shows us is that women are no longer delaying abortions because of the time limits. If you're not rabidly pro-choice, that is objectively a good thing, right?
Lets speak honestly.
Bruce, this is below you. It is equally, if not more so, on the man.
Only Saint Croix is being reasonable here. The rest of you are pouting like infants. Ask your mommies what you looked like when you did that, as you like!y don't recall.
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