July 6, 2023

"Plant medicines like psilocybin and ayahuasca... they are beautiful because they give you exactly what you need, even if you don’t know what it is you need."

Said Veronica Duron, chief of staff for Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), quoted in "AOC, Dan Crenshaw and the mellow struggle for psychedelic drug access/What do a democratic socialist, a Republican war veteran and a long-haired lobbyist from Montana have in common? They want the government to relax about certain mild-altering substances" (WaPo).
Duron, a user of plant medicines, added that she didn’t know whether her boss would ever personally partake but knows the senator often “hears from his wealthy friends and supporters who micro-dose every day and have these experiences. And he is like, ‘These healing experiences shouldn’t be just for rich White people.’” Booker has co-sponsored legislation with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) similar to Ocasio-Cortez’s amendment to study the medical benefits of certain psychedelics....

It's a racial justice issue — that's good political packaging for Booker (and others). Don't say it so it might be heard as: Let's get more drugs to black people. It has to be: If some people feel completely free and don't worry at all about criminal law enforcement, then let's make it equal. Or: It's a matter that inherently belongs to the individual, who gets to decide which of the possibly beneficial drugs to take. I wouldn't recommend calling psilocybin and ayahuasca "these healing experiences." Leave it to the (supposed) experts in the FDA to determine which which drugs are effective cures for diseases and disorders. You sound anti-science when you say "these healing experiences." You might as well start recommending religions if you're going to talk like that.

26 comments:

Bob Boyd said...

Plant medicines like psilocybin and ayahuasca... they are beautiful because they give you exactly what you need, even if you don’t know what it is you need.

They're the Steve Jobs of medicines.

re Pete said...

"They’ll stone ya and then they’ll say, “good luck”

Goju said...

Aren't opiates plant based? If rich white Hunter Biden can use meth with no legal consequences, why not poor black people?

dbp said...

The idea that these "plants" (psilocybin is a fungi, not a plant) and Ayahuasca "give you exactly what you need" is muddled thinking. These organisms create psychoactive compounds for their own benefits, from a natural selection standpoint--they do not care about us, or at all, about anything.

That's not to say we can't make use of them, Humans are especially adept at using nature and technology to our advantage.

Ironclad said...

The largest problem you have with this type action are the Pharma companies - how DARE you suggest that a cheap and non patentable treatment might be effective, much less replace the insanely costly ( and generally ineffective) “solutions” on the market! That and when you realize that the CDC and those “regulatory” agencies depend on patents for their funding ( and payoffs) and that they are in thrall to the drug companies - it’s a steep hill to climb.

Joe Rogan has done yeoman work on his podcast trying to make the case we need to scientifically study these compounds ( and others) to see their effectiveness. He’s had many guests - many ex military - that swear it’s helped them or their buddies with PTSD. Many politicians have ex-military as bodyguards that need to start whispering more in their employers ears what they know and have experienced. That might help stiffen the spine of some politicians afraid of “supporting drugs”.

Rohan has a current podcast by an English lady that studies this stuff - she’s wanting trials of microdose LSD on several groups - she claims it can even help dementia patients by increasing blood circulation in the brain.

Science is about questioning things and testing hypothesis to see truth. Sadly today it’s about whose posterior to kiss among those that pass out the grants

Mr Wibble said...

Leave it to the (supposed) experts in the FDA to determine which which drugs are effective cures for diseases and disorders. You sound anti-science when you say "these healing experiences." You might as well start recommending religions if you're going to talk like that.

The supposed experts at the FDA will refuse to consider any studies of these drugs, and then leave to take a six-figure job working for pharmaceutical companies who make billions selling anti-depressants and other medications to treat the symptoms.

As for being anti-science, that's BS. The core of the scientific method is the cycle of "observe, hypothesize, test" that allows us to discover truth about the natural world. We have millennia of observations about the human mind which shows the importance of ritual as a part of the healing process, and of the generally religious tendencies of the human mind.
The advocates for psilocybin and ayahuasca are asking to engage in that scientific method; they've observed that these plants, combined with the rituals surrounding them, can seem to have healing effects on users. They want the ability to test their hypotheses regarding their observations.

Alexander said...

Telling people that someone else told you that something shouldn't just be for rich white people sounds like the sort of thing that 100% didn't happen but is said because you're not allowed to question whether or not it happened, nor are you allowed to argue against the thing that shouldn't just be for rich white people (who are bad because they are rich but mostly because they are white).

Maybe Cory Booker should enlighten us directly on whether he routinely talks to his friends and donors about their illegal drug habits and the benefits thereof, and perhaps he can give us a more specific analysis of the demographics in question, especially as he's the one in the position to actually legislate.

mikee said...

Get yer Soma right here, folks! The best Soma, made in government labs, tuned to make your days pass in a delightful languor, and your nights go by with you perfectly unconscious. Soma, it's what you need, get it now!

MadTownGuy said...

From "Medicare for All" to "Soma for All."

Sebastian said...

"You sound anti-science when you say "these healing experiences.""

What are the chances these healing experiences are experienced mostly in households declaring that in this household we believe science is real?

"You might as well start recommending religions if you're going to talk like that."

That's funny. But the point of progressivism is to keep religion out. Can't have another source of authority and potential rival. Therapy, "healing," and such are fine: keeps people from confronting reality, makes them easier to control.

cassandra lite said...

Micro doses of psilocybin are like street cleaners for neural pathways.

Kai Akker said...

---his wealthy friends and supporters who micro-dose every day and have these experiences. And he is like, ‘These healing experiences'

Timothy Leary's dead, no, no no no....

But his foolishness lives on.

What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.

No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.


Worthy of note is that the prior psychedelics vogue flowed from Aldous Huxley's "Doors of Perception," published in 1954. And then Life magazine's Magic Mushrooms article of 1957. Most of what made the '60s interesting was well underway in the 1950s, that decade so many like to claim was boring and conformist.

But maybe not; maybe it is the conventional wisdom that is boring and conformist.

Dude1394 said...

I believe that these drugs are horse medicines, the government should take away the license of anyone who even suggests using them.

Quaestor said...

Psilocybin isn't "plant medicine". That the chief of staff for Senator Cory Booker is grossly ignorant about a subject she espouses doesn't surprise me.

Nature is full of toxins, weapons in the eternal war of all against all. Animals are typically mobile, their lives consist of movement, the exploitation of kinetic energy, and their weaponry follows suit. Whether a 5.56mm bullet tearing through the torso of an enemy soldier or a serrated tooth in the mouth of a shark, it's the destructive application of movement at work. However, the members of the other five kingdoms of life are far less mobile than animals, and their weapons are consequently far less kinetic. Instead, they exploit chemical energy, or more precisely, the electromagnetic energy of chemical bonds to attack and defend. Granted, a few animals use chemical weaponry, generally, the smaller less mobile subjects of their kingdom, but the subject at hand is toxins originating from Plantae and Fungi, not Animalia.

Most of them are defensive toxins that function as deterrents to hungry animals, psilocybin being a prime example. The fungus doesn't want a peckish cow to muck with its reproductive functions so organelles within the tissues of its fruiting bodies inflict nausea and panic in the rapacious bovine. There are exceptional examples of aggressive fungal toxins, however. Fungi generally don't eat bacteria, but they do compete with them for the same nutrients. This is how Penicillium moulds became useful.

Plant toxins are more inventive and subtle than their fungal counterparts, which probably arises from their more efficient are widely-spread genetic exchanges, but all of them evolve to benefit the plant. A plant toxin that benefits an animal, including humans, is often an accident that hasn't yet been corrected through feedback mechanisms, others are insidious behavior modification agents that enlist humans in servitude to the plant -- nicotine, THC, and opium persuade us to devote astonishing portions of our limited time and energy to the survival and reproduction of a plant rather than to our own species.

TreeJoe said...

I'm very torn on this issue as someone who has spent a career helping to develop new medicines (some of them truly humanity-changing)

On the one hand, the government's control and involvement in substances has had really terrible outcomes. Huge money spent + terrible outcomes = stop doing it, but we've been almost unable to stop our existing government programs. Also, there's personal freedom.

On the other hand, the legalization of marijuana on the basis of pretty crappy existing research has had some very unexpected consequences. Marijuana being sold today is 4-8x more potent than what was regularly available before, at potencies not well studied, and with pretty clear bad and potentially permanent effects. AND ITS NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT ENOUGH.

At the same time, its not like citizens have any controls over alcohol or nicotine consumption - so why start now with psilocybin or others.

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Kirk Parker said...

"they are beautiful because they give you exactly what you need, even if you don’t know what it is you need"

What utterly pathetic New Age bullshit! Though I do expect it will be 100% reliable Crack-bait.

RNB said...

What's the wheeze about Libertarians just being right-wingers who want to be able to smoke pot legally?

Goldenpause said...

“Plant medicines?”

madAsHell said...

Wow! That dumb bitch could be vice-president!

Pillage Idiot said...

Every single a person I know that "self medicates" with alcohol or marijuana does a really crappy job calculating their correct "dosages" and treatment protocols!

Further, just because something is "natural" does not mean it is harmless. I have had to restrain a young lady all night after she had severe seizures subsequent to taking shrooms. Not fun, and she threw up her actual seizure meds.

Free Manure While You Wait! said...

"It's a racial justice issue "

Yawn.

In Minnesota, the new marijuana dispensaries, by law, will favor ownership by people with marijuana convictions ( e.g., more than just a bag). They too say it's a racial justice issue.

I've been smoking weed since the seventies and on more than one occasion purchased quarter pounds to split with friends. We saved money that way.

I have no desire to own and operate a dispensary, but I gotta wonder why someone stupid enough to have been convicted of marijuana possession with intent to distribute should be given preference over someone who wasn't. Who in their right mind said, "Let's give licenses to people with criminal records, due in a large part to their poorly thought out business models? In other words, stupid, bungling crooks.

Leora said...

I hope "mild altering" substances is a typo for "mind altering." Though mild hallucinogens might be attractive.

Narr said...

When I get high, I don't call it self-medication. I call it getting high.

Honesty begins with oneself.

Oligonicella said...

'These healing experiences shouldn’t be just for rich White people.’

If that refers to 'shrooms, it's a statement by an idiot. Easily gotten by anybody and everybody pretty much forever; black, white, red, checkered. - everyone.

Will Cate said...

"microdose every day" my ass. Tolerance builds up too fast.