Now, something I see going on here is that Musk wants Twitter to be the one place where everyone stays, so he doesn't like the NYT just putting up links for all its many articles, which it probably does because it's trying to drive traffic to its own site. There's Twitter's economic interest in its own stickiness, and the NYT's interest in using Twitter to get people to leave Twitter. Saying "diarrhea" is childish. Musk's real point is that he'd like us all to write new and interesting material for Twitter, to make Twitter exciting reading and transfix us at his place. The NYT would like you at its place, which is full of all sorts of articles that might be interesting to people, not just "top articles," whatever that's supposed to mean.Also, their feed is the Twitter equivalent of diarrhea. It’s unreadable.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 2, 2023
They would have far more real followers if they only posted their top articles.
Same applies to all publications.
April 2, 2023
Elon Musk calls the NYT Twitter postings "diarrhea."
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"The NYT would like you at its place ..."
Where would you like us?
How people read the NYt's? Not a lot. Their traffic is probably tiny.
The more interesting thing is why NYT's won't pay their employees 100 dollars a year to be blue checks. They obviously hate Musk, and want Twitter to go down in flames.
So, I applaud Musk's attack on them. He know's an enemy when he sees it.
You know what top articles are. They're the ones that have appeal to all of the audience, not just a niche group they might be pandering to, or a niche hobby that someone in the Northeast has, or a New Yorker's take on life in Arkansas. Those niche articles are exactly why many Times lovers get the Times, but they do not have universal appeal. Twitter is looking for universal appeal. That's the business he's in.
Otherwise he'd be the Spinal Tap of social media, with a more selective appeal.
At least Rodney Dangerfield made me laugh when he claimed to get no respect.
Musk comes off far more Cartman demanding respect than he realizes, in fact he has an awful lot of Cartman about everything he does.
Now we need a diareah emoji.
Musk is saying what is obvious. When an alternative arose to Media, the readership left. The reaction is to complain that someone else took our advertising money, instead of thinking why don't people want to read what we produce.
It is boring, plonkingly so. Breaking stories from Media are things everyone else knew about months or years ago. It is like listening to a Priest; full of piety and judgement, but nothing else.
Musk is saying to sharpen up. They won't listen. They are watching their vestigial influence disappear.
Our hostess points a lot of traffic at the NYT pay wall. I have no idea why!!
It does not appear to be compelling content. The NYT is a bunch of women contemplating their belly buttons.
I prefer the microblogging of citizen journalists on Twitter to the "notable" blue check ones who are embedded within the corporate publishing entities.
"Verbal diarrhea" would be less inept.
"Saying "diarrhea" is childish."
Why? It is nicely evocative and catches your attention.
"Musk's real point is that he'd like us all to write new and interesting material for Twitter"
Is it the real point? It's plausible, but how do you know? Anyway, the instruction AA infers is the same as hers to commenters here.
NO. He is correct. It is like diarrhea. They need to be flushed.
their feed is the Twitter equivalent of diarrhea. It’s unreadable.
Not fair to diarrhea.
Even the runniest Pharoah poops were read with great interest every morning by Ancient Egyptian priests.
From the post:
"Now, something I see going on here is that Musk wants Twitter to be the one place where everyone stays..."
Why wouldn't he like it to be that way?
"...so he doesn't like the NYT just putting up links for all its many articles, which it probably does because it's trying to drive traffic to its own site."
If the NYT puts up links to all its articles, isn't it inundating the Twitter neighborhood with its content and momopolizing the conversations? Without paying the New York Times Danegeld to read the article, I can't say for sure it's linking to all the articles each day, but it sounds like a lot of contect and a lot of tweets.
"There's Twitter's economic interest in its own stickiness, and the NYT's interest in using Twitter to get people to leave Twitter."
Competing interests, but does Musk express the NYT's intent to get people to leave Twitter, or is that an inference?
"Saying "diarrhea" is childish."
Not if the NYT is in fact 'love bombing' Twitter with so many tweets that other users are drowned out by the sheer volume. Plus, if the Times' BS content is high, the analogy is apt.
"Musk's real point is that he'd like us all to write new and interesting material for Twitter, to make Twitter exciting reading and transfix us at his place. The NYT would like you at its place, which is full of all sorts of articles that might be interesting to people, not just "top articles," whatever that's supposed to mean."
If it were only a case of the two entities engaging in self-promotion, that's the market at work. But if the NYT is flooding the Twitter feed with its own content, what prevents Twitter from banning the Times?
When I looked you up this morning on Twitter the 1st ad that popped up on your feed??? The New York Times!!!
Still no blue check? This wasn't an April Fool's joke, I hope. Please let us know when you get your blue check mark.
You already enjoy over 5K followers, but I don't believe the blue check will make a difference in the number. Any change will be based upon whether or not you start tweeting. This will be fun to track - will the number increase? Will you collect a few more "prominent" followers? I hope you write your thoughts about the experience in one month.
Nevertheless, I appreciate that you read the Times so we don't have to. I occasionaly buy a paper copy when I get the notion, and I receive their "Morning" emails as I did a trial subscription ages ago, but I can't see buying an online subscription. The same goes for our local papers, WaPo, LA Times, and Madison.com. I can get free news (so far!) from local TV channel websites.
I forgot the NYT had a twitter feed. Right now nice rhubarb crisp recipe and helpful advice on cleaning white tees.
Lessons from Trump about the Fourth leg. h/t Breitbart RIP
He's not complaining about links. He's saying the should just post the links to the top articles. The other stuff they tweet just clutters up their message. If they just tweet links to the good (popular) articles, then they will bring traffic to Twitter - the people who want an easy way to preview the articles. Even if they leave, they'll come back the next time. Or keep it open to see important breaking stories.
Now, they don't have an incentive to come back (for the NYT news) because there's too much junk to sift through.
The NYT is doing social media the way businesses have been told to do it, lots of posts to stay in their followers' feed. The social media companies have rewarded volume over content. I hope Musk can get that to change.
It sounds like the NYT spams all its articles. If so, Musk is right. Judicious posting will get more clicks. It's not a comment on the NYT, it's a comment on knowing how to use Twitter. Play coy. Don't be a stalker.
Haven’t read the NYT since they did their readers an excellent service of writing about the victims of 9/11… their stories really helped one feel that they’d gotten to know these people a little better.
But it has been downhill ever since. Go get ‘em, Elon!
The NY Times charges its customers.
Musk charges blue checks.
i'm Pretty Sure, that his Real Point is: the NYT's content is diarrhea
Carlos slim is the largest stockholder in the NYT. Almost as much as all the sulzberger spawn combined.
No votes, no board seat but they do need to make nice with him. No really problematic stories on Mexico for example.
The Mexican president, slim's puppet, has been making some favorable comments about pedjt recently.
Can the NYT be far behind?
MASSIVE entertainment value.
John Henry
Logorrhea depends on diarrhea for its meaning.
diarrhea (n.)
"morbid frequent evacuation of the bowels," late 14c., diaria, from Old French diarrie, from Late Latin diarrhoea, from Greek diarrhoia "diarrhea" (coined by Hippocrates), literally "a flowing through," from diarrhein "to flow through," from dia- "through" (see dia-) + rhein "to flow" (from PIE root *sreu- "to flow"). Respelled 16c. from diarria on Latin model.
Hippocrates, his oath, are deplorable.
Back in the 70s in the Church committee hearings we found massive infiltration of the media by the Cia. It seemed that more journalists were Cia employees than not.
Laws were passed prohibiting this. Under Bush the law was repealed.
What percentage of nyt journalists are now controlled by Cia?
I'd bet a bunch.
We found out how badly fbi infested (I fests?) Twitter. Is nyt any better?
John Henry
I don't go on Twitter, so I have mo idea how the NYT and its employees use it. If it is similar totweets I have seen on this site and elsewhere then calling the NYT's postings a running stream of excrement is a generous description.
Dumb Lefty Mark: "At least Rodney Dangerfield made me laugh when he claimed to get no respect.
Musk comes off far more Cartman demanding respect than he realizes, in fact he has an awful lot of Cartman about everything he does."
Ever more pathetic and laughable. Remember, by now Twitter was supposed to be defunct and dead in the water according to the lefties.
Next up for Dumb Lefty Mark: rumor has it the soda machines are not always stocked with the optimum mix of energy drinks and soda!
I disagree with your analysis. I don't think Musk wants NYT to write more new stuff for Twitter itself. Twitter isn't a blog site, and Musk knows it.
More likely, he's wanting the Times to curate their posts better. Reduce the signal-to-noise ratio. If you post EVERYTHING, then nothing stands out. I have on occasion unsubscribed to one or another news/blog/data outlets because they overwhelmed me with notifications.
Better curation means that what does get posted will generate more clicks, and Twitter can host more engaging discussions.
Saying "diarrhea" is childish.
That's Musk. It's one of the things that distinguishes him from less interesting people :)
The NYT expects that people will pay to read their content. And they also charge advertisers.
And yet they are too bloody cheap to want to pay for full access to Twitter? Why do they get to make a living but no one else gets to make a living?
The reference to Diarrhea distracts from what I found more interesting.
They would have far more real followers...
It is a little different when the President of Twitter suggests that a large portion of your followers are fake bots than when some random person speculates about it.
As Copropantes of Effluvium put it about 500 BC, you can't step in the same shitstream twice.
And shame on you for trying.
Mark hates autists.
The first problem is that you have to pay to read the NYT articles ( as here with Ann's references). A true waste of $.
Saying "diarrhea" is childish.
Yeah, it's not like "verbal diarrhea" is a commonly used metaphor or something.
Musk comes off far more Cartman demanding respect than he realizes, in fact he has an awful lot of Cartman about everything he does.
If you mean he is an integral part of something that is the best example of that thing ever, you'd be correct. South Park is the longest running and most successful animated TV show ever, and Musk has built the most successful rocket company and electric car company ever.
Now if you mean her is a self-important, lying, ignorant blowhard with personality problems, you're talking Joe Biden.
The newspaper that requires you pay to read each article is upset about a vendor requiring you pay for the privilege of being certified. Typical leftwing lunacy here.
NYT is about covering important stories.
With a pillow.
Until it stops moving.
“Next up for Dumb Lefty Mark: rumor has it the soda machines are not always stocked with the optimum mix of energy drinks and soda!”
We did better than that in college. We had beer in the coke machine. Same price - 25¢. Beer cost us a little more, but the soft drinks only cost us about 15¢, so they cross subsidized the beer a little. We owned the pop machine, so everything worked out. Unlike when someone put in a pin ball machine, it was immediately hacked (with a coat hanger), and the owner came back a month later to find tracks worn into the surface by the ball, and a couple bucks of quarters in the hopper. It was yanked out that day, with extreme prejudice.
Mary Beth was spot on.
Lets get very real. Dumb Lefty Mark and LLR-democratical C**** et al despise Musk because of things like this:
Matt Wallace Twitter
Elon Musk Has Revealed That The Old Twitter Algorithm Shadow Banned Accounts That Used These Words:
"vaccination"
"fauci"
"trump"
"ganon"
"simulation"
"jews"
"soros"
"clinton"
"epstein"
"world economic forum"
I beleive there is the word logorrhea to describe answer to the question which of many words in NYT are worthy of significance
Musk's real point is that he'd like us all to write new and interesting material for Twitter, to make Twitter exciting reading and transfix us at his place.
Um, no
Musk's point is you should think a bit before you post.
Now, I think he's wrong about "dont' post everything". In a "newspaper" that still published the stories that contradicted the narrative, but buried them in the middle of the paper, having every story get posted to Twitter would make it easier to find those stories
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