I took global warming seriously in 1984 when I decided to move to Madison, Wisconsin. I thought within about 10 years, everyone would notice the South had become unlivable, and a massive population shift would occur. Well, 40 years have passed, and it's just beginning to happen, this migration to the Upper Midwest. But I bet most people in the South will just laugh at this idea.
From the article:
Dubbed “climate-proof Duluth” in 2019 by Jesse Keenan, a Tulane University professor who was lecturing at Harvard at the time, Duluth has been hailed for its ample supply of freshwater, as well as its location — buffered from sea-level rise in the Upper Midwest — and temperatures, which run mild in the summer and colder than cold in the winter.
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Some quick googling shows no census evidence of Duluth experiencing an increase in population in the last 30 years.
Duluth is freezing cold in the summer! I’ve been there.
CAGW is a scam. Temps have been flat for 8 years despite tons of carbon dioxide pumped into the atmosphere. Fact.
Good for them: Sub-zero temps, frozen windmills and solar panels covered in six feet of lake-effect snow and no natural gas dontcha know, it's evil.
Could make for a short lifespan in "interesting times.
Net-zero climate effect with probable greening.
Lovely town, some nice historic buildings, and good people. Spent some time there in the 1990s and was charmed by the place, if you can get past the cold and lake effect snow.
"colder than cold in the winter."
Enjoy it, suckers!
(Personally, I enjoy this climate, but I bet the people moving here don't, and will end up moving back out within the decade.)
I took global warming seriously in 1984 when I decided to move to Madison, Wisconsin. I thought within about 10 years, everyone would notice the South had become unlivable, and a massive population shift would occur. Well, 40 years have passed, and it's just beginning to happen, this migration to the Upper Midwest.
The migration is happening because California has become unlivable and Californians are migrating to nice places that were nice because they weren’t full of Californians…so for the people in those places they have become unlivable and they are migrating to places like Duluth.
I know where the next big meteor is going to strike. Because the gods do not like folks to think they can beat fate.
And wait till they get a load of driving Duluth's super-steep streets in the winter. Better get 4WD (not that that's going to help when you're going down.)
Pick some stocks for us Ann and we’ll know what to do…
" Well, 40 years have passed, and it's just beginning to happen, this migration to the Upper Midwest. But I bet most people in the South will just laugh at this idea."
Yes... I'm here in Texas and it is fine and dandy down here... oh the horror!
Climate change is bull stuffings. Notice Al Gore, Kerry, Pelosi, Schumer, and just about all of 'em still live along the coast!!! And they still have multiple houses, maids, staff, big cars, etc.... Hahahaha... rubes you are folks for believing them.
Oh, one more thing.. expect all those woke liberals moving in WILL TRASH YOUR BELOVED HIDIY-HOLE. Yes they will vote all all that kind of California stuff and turn it into a shit hole... like the one they are leaving.
Lots of luck!
Anyone "taking global warming seriously" has self-beclowned themselves to such an extent that they simply cannot be taken seriously.
You have to be both innumerate and illiterate not to see all the holes in the so-called "science", and be in possession of a certain willful blindness not to note the absurd amount of delusional groupthink on exhibition with all this crap. It's hysteria, pure and simple.
The irony is that global warming ain't happening, and we're likely at the peak of the curve for climactic optimum. It's all downhill from here, and there are going to be a lot of people freezing in the dark thanks to the insanity that's gripped the so-called "thinking classes" that refuse to think.
You don't even need to do a deep dive into the numbers, either: Anyone really, truly believe that if there actually was a real climate crisis, that these assholes would still be buying up land around Martha's Vineyard? That they'd be flying personal private jets to Bali to discuss the issue? That they'd be doing the things that they do, out in the open?
This supposed "crisis" has had all the hallmarks of an intellectual Ponzi scam since day one; the fact that they go to such lengths to shut down criticism and hide their data and calculations as far from the public's eyes is a telling fact.
Not to mention, anyone with even a slight amount of intelligence should be able to spot the flaws in all of their arguments: You see the waily-waily-woe about melting glaciers in the Alps, right there in the same article talking about recently-revealed Medieval mining camps and mines which were under those now-melted glaciers. I've had so many of these idiots show me those articles triumphantly, saying "SEE? SEE? This is real, this is a crisis..." Whereupon I've sweetly asked them if there was a crisis back when those mines were dug and those settlements built, before the glaciers came...
You can see the cognitive dissonance show up in some of their faces, right about then. Most, however, are completely unable to think for themselves and go "Wait a minute...?", continuing to parrot the party line about Anthropophagic Globull Warmening.
If you're still a believer in this crap, you're not smart; you're a patsy, a mark. You've been conned, and you don't have the wits or wisdom to recognize the fact.
"Bless your heart." - The South
As someone who lived in Cleveland for a number of years, I've never considered global warming a bad thing.
But I bet most people in the South will just laugh at this idea.
We aren’t laughing but if you’re moving because of climate fears we think you’re stupid. Maybe try to keep up with the actual science?
The great biologist Lynn Margulies would often remark that Gaia is one tough bitch. People have exaggerated the rapidity of climate change, and vastly underestimated the ingenuity of humans in response.
When we lived in Tyler, TX, every couple of years there would be a commotion in the newspaper that Disneyland was coming to Smith county. It was all just speculators trying to stir up the property values.
I see a lot of parallels here.
Minnesota is close to banning natural gas hook ups. Bring your woolies, people!
The whole idea of a climate crisis has been oversold by Al Gore, John Kerry and Greta Thunberg. There have always been floods (check with Noah), drought (see King David), blizzards (check with the Donner Party) and cyclones (Galveston). All this went on before large scale use of burning coal and folks driving SUVs around. Doesn’t mean man has no affect, just that there’s other factors at play.
The models used for climate change forecasts are notoriously poor and are out of the zone of confidence. Rather than spending billions on renewables the money would have been better spent on basic science. The current models don’t model ocean currents, the big driver of ice ages or the effects of clouds.
The bigger aspect of all this is the role of China, The US has 260GW of coal yet China is added 250GW by 2025 and another 500GW by 2030. Our cuts in emissions are essentially meaningless. Yet, Secretary Granholm wants us to look to China for ideas on reducing emissions. What?
I spent a year in Duluth one week in Jan 1973. Temp never threatened to get above zero. Darkness gathering on Gitchi Gumee is a seriously forbidding sight.
And yet... I enjoyed Duluth greatly. I DON'T LIKE cold but Duluth positively warmed my spirit. The streets in town were bright and busy in the evening. Restaurants and bars were full of energy and good-natured people. Not saying I'd want to live there but I left thinking it was quite a livable place.
What are the combined CO2 emissions of these climate migrants?
From Climate.gov ...
The global mean water level in the ocean rose by 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015, which was 2.5 times the average rate of 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century. By the end of the century, global mean sea level is likely to rise at least one foot (0.3 meters) above 2000 levels, even if greenhouse gas emissions follow a relatively low pathway in coming decades.
Climate.gov
Duluth is 702 feet above sea level. It seems like a long way to go to avoid a foot or two of salt water. Maybe they like the winters.
And don't yell at the snow plow driver, newbies.
"Well, 40 years have passed, and it's just beginning to happen, this migration to the Upper Midwest."
Nope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_net_migration
Cold and snow? No, thank you. When I read the post about the snowplow earlier today, I just shrugged. Nothing that I deal with personally. We have our own problems and risks in Florida, but snow is not one of them.
Comparing the census from 2010 and 2020, the Duluth metro area has barely gained any people whatsoever- 0.34% in 10 years. The article sounds like it is bullshit.
“ If you're still a believer in this crap, you're not smart; you're a patsy, a mark. You've been conned, and you don't have the wits or wisdom to recognize the fact.”
Notice that Ann doesn’t say that she still actually believes it. That was 39 years ago, when she moved to Madison, fresh out of an ultra elitist white shoe law firm in NYC. Of course they all believed in it back there. NYC has long been the home of many of the worst elitists in the country.
As usual, she’s being cagey here, about her own feelings, in order to stimulate conversation.
Oh, fer fuck's sake!
There is NOWHERE in the United States where "climate change" in terms of temperature, humidity or weather has signficantly changed in the last 30 years.
Satellite sensors and ocean buoys have confirmed that we're in a period of minor aka normal change since 1979. American weather records going back 130 years reinforce those measurements: nothing unusual is going on.
NOWHERE. There are no climate refugees, except maybe for the snowbirds fleeing northern winters.
In any case, the article itself alludes to much of the internal migration occuring is going to the Sun Belt. That means NYorkers and sunny Californians going to Texas and steamy FLA. Many more are doing that than moving to frigid Duluth.
On top of that, there's this:
"Duluth saw 2,494 new residents from out of state over the last five years, according to the American Community Survey."
That's 500 people a year, folks------obviously a hugely statistically significant number!!!
But we're beling led to believe that every one of THEM are fleeing an on-going climate catastrophe---AND that they come from all over America. Where is this writer getting her data?
Then there's that niggling detail about how cold it can get in Duluth--- minus 30 degrees.
From the article: "But we have lots of cloudy days, a lot of cold weather and a lot of snow. For many people, that’s not always perfect.”"
I'll say!!!! That's a major reason people have historically moved SOUTH.
As for that aging Peter Pan with his 70's VW and surfboard, it is NOT "safer" in Duluth than in California, at least in terms of danger from the climate. Ample historical data shows an amazing DECLINE in fatalities from climate events----floods, famines, hurricanes and the like---over the past fifty years.
https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2022/01/03/climate-expert-weather-related-deaths-hit-record-low-2021/
Look at this map, and see which states have gained population. Free clue: many are in the South.
https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2021/dec/2020-percent-change-map.html
Note TX and FLA. Why are THEIR populations increasing so much, if "climate change" is causing people to flee warmer areas?? Seems people fear onerous government and taxation more than they do hurricanes.
Bottom line: a ditzy NYT article reports a single northern city gains population, because of "climate change". What mindless bullshit.
It's very disturbing to see our Miss Ann falling for this nonsense.
(Or will she claim she's put on her "cruel neutrality" hat back on, after going all-in with the totalitarian Stanford Law students ?)
"I thought within about 10 years, everyone would notice the South had become unlivable, and a massive population shift would occur."
Do you recall why you thought that? I am guessing it was because of something you read. Something written by someone claiming authoritative knowledge of the future, based upon a scientific understanding of atmospheric thermodynamics.
If we actually have serious climate change, which we likely will at some point in the next few millennia, Duluth will be under a mile or more of ice.
I've never met someone from Minnesota I didn't like.
"If you're still a believer in this crap, you're not smart; you're a patsy, a mark."
When politicians speak with certainty on a subject they almost certainly know nothing about, you can be sure the real issue is something other than what they're bloviating about. In the case of climate, it is a grasp for power, and nothing else.
I would enjoy interviewing almost any politician on this subject. I'd start by asking, "Which peer-reviewed study do you believe most strongly supports the position you are advocating?"
Leave it to the New York Times to write about a few random whackos allegedly moving to Duluth, while ignoring the hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers and northeasterners fleeing to sunny and warm Florida.
This is at best an anecdote in search of a fact pattern.
The absolute most global warming that has ever been predicted has been 1.5 degrees c or 3 degrees f.
Even in Alabama the daily temp varies by about 20 degrees f over any given day think 90f in the day 70f at night.
Summer high to winter low is probably 40 degrees f
And people are moving because they are scared of 3 degrees?
Stupid.
John Henry
Catastrophic global warming is very good science, political science that is. The less smart believe and are afraid. The smart and well connected believe in the income potential. Remember Solindra?
Political Scientists has garnered more wealth than all the STEM practitioners combined. Before the vote: Promise Student loan cancelation. After the election: oh, the court said no. Reparations for the Great Great Great Great grand children of slaves? Same thing.
It is amazing that the old entrenched politicians are the only ones who actually get what the government promised the poor. Here I refer to Hillary! and Pelosi
My father grew up in Duluth, I still have cousins there, and I've visited a fair amount over the years. It's cold. Really cold. One cousin told me how the clothes freeze in the dryer if they are the faintest bit damp at the end of the cycle. (The cold air--like minus 20--comes in the air vent.) It's generally somewhat depressed economically (the Iron Range, and attendant foundries, ore ships, etc. which attracted my ancestors from Poland 120 years ago, are played out). It's been losing population for decades and no one I know suggests any kind of resurgence.
My question is, what did Prof. Althouse learn from her mistake 40 years ago? With all her getting, has she gotten understanding?
Fear of sea level rise is a mental disorder. Add to that the fear of hot weather in the southern states, such as our Southern most American state ( Florida) is nothing to brag about.
Who honestly believed so called "global warming" was even a thing back in 1984? Liberals back then were convinced Ronald "Ray Gun" was going to get us into a nuclear war and that nuclear winter would blot out the sun and we would freeze to death if anything.
It would not have occured to me that Wisconsin was the sweet spot to wait out nuclear winter after a nuclear exchange with the Soviets.
I hope all these people escaping global warming hurry up and do it soon. My daughter is about to start her 4th year of medical school in Virginia. If she stays on the east coast after finishing my wife and I will be leaving Los Angeles looking to buy a house on the water somewhere on the western shores of the Pamlico Sound in North Carolina. We're going to be the cool grandparents with all the water sport toys. If they want leave and drive down housing prices that's fine by me
I was an adult before I ran into anyone who summered near the Great Lakes--that was a strange concept to me, and I suppose a class issue as much as anything. Beyond my ken.
I love the Southland, and will stand with her as long as the a/c shall run.
Some people may be moving to Duluth and some of them claim it is because of "global warming". But the real reason is entirely political. These are all libtards who formerly lived in the affluent suburbs of Minnesapolis-St. Paul. By foolish exercising the franchise they have transformed the whole area into a hellhole of rampant crime. So they leave. But unwilling to admit to themselves that the chaos they flee is of their own creation, they concoct a tale and tell it to receptive ears. By migrating within Minnesota they hope their fellow libtards will not interpret the move as a condemnation of Minnesota politics.
People are migrating from the Twin Cities, but the overwhelming majority are headed south to Texas, Florida, and the Carolinas.
Personally, I'd rather swelter in freedom in Florida than suffer through Marxism in Minnesota.
I am not interested in living anyplace close to "Gitche Gumee" at the Port of Duluth/Superior where the water is the deepest and coldest of all of the Great Lakes. Then there is Lake Superior's polluted shoreline where Taconite waste is piled after being hauled from mines in the Mesabi Iron Range. That stuff cannot be good for the water supply.
Cold weather is exacerbated by really strong winds that whip through the shoreline on Superior's west end in the fall, which keeps natives huddled up hoping that heat, food, and transportation hold up.
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy
With a load of iron ore twenty-six thousand tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and crew was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early
There’s some low hanging fruit here; but let’s just say that all of those believers in Climate Change are welcome to move wherever the fuck they want as long as they let the sane people alone.
There's a reason rich white people flee to Duluth, and to Madison, and it's got nothing to do with global warming:
It's global darkening.
“... Why do otherwise same men believe that they have immortal souls? ... What is the precise machinery of the process called falling in love? Why do people believe newspapers?”
H. L. Mencken
More people die from cold weather than hot weather.
More people die from cold weather than hot weather.
The places on Earth that are cold have low population densities. The places on Earth that are warm have high population densities.
Heat is good for humans.
"I've never met someone from Minnesota I didn't like."
You didn't grow up in Wisconsin. (I kid, I kid)
I thought within about 10 years, everyone would notice the South had become unlivable, and a massive population shift would occur. Well, 40 years have passed, and it's just beginning to happen, this migration to the Upper Midwest.
40 years ago?
Serious Questions
What was the population of Arizona then? What is it NOW?
What was the population of Florida then? What is it NOW?
What was the population of South Carolina then? What is it NOW?
Where will Each of these states be in another 10 years? 40? 50?
Now, FOR FUN! what was the population of Duluth in 1980? (92,811)
2020? 86,697
2021? 86,374
SO MANY People, are moving to Duluth.. That the population is falling.
I think yogi bara would say something like: Duluth? No one goes there.. the place is empty
Yeah, go to Duluth!
Not to east Tennessee though. No room, we full up.
"I thought within about 10 years, everyone would notice the South had become unlivable, and a massive population shift would occur. Well, 40 years have passed, and it's just beginning to happen, this migration ....". Yes, but from where, and why is it now unlivable?
I doubt very much it's from the South, unless it's southern California, or maybe Atlanta. As a Texan, I'm grateful that people stupid enough to move anywhere out of a fear of Global Warming are at least not moving here, after 50 years of dire predictions, shrill grifting, bad policy-making and 'no results' to point to, scientifically - except a consistent, predictable, manageable, long-term trend. All while noting that Obama keeps buying seaside mansions in multiple locations, and John Kerry still has his beachfront property, his private jet, and his yacht. >snort<
And people are moving because they are scared of 3 degrees?
A hypothetical, perhaps plausible, but improbable, and unrealized variance at that.
As a Southerner, I for one will welcome living in the okra forest with long growing seasons for corn, tomatoes, cucumbers, melons. And the more CO2, there is, the more the plants grow and produce.
My brother, the world traveler, said it was -30 in Duluth when he was there. I didn't believe him, but he swears it was true. I doubt sane people are moving there.
Gore Vidal wrote a novel about a fictional Duluth. The sound of the name - reminiscent of dullard and duh - might have tickled his fancy.
I'm not going to link it......but the Duluth Trading Company claims to have comfortable underpants.
Heat is good for humans.
After what seemed to be a long cold Winter here in Tucson, I am ready for the incredible heat that arrives in the late Spring.
Of course that means I will be wearing shorts from late April until early November.
Heat is good for the soul. It teaches you to not waste energy on foolish things.
I took Global Warming seriously as well, and moved to SWFL 4 years ago. I don't think CAGW is swaying nearly enough to move to frigid hellscapes, judging from the hundreds of thousands of Northeasterners and Midwesterners that have moved here in the last 4 years.
"I was an adult before I ran into anyone who summered near the Great Lakes"
We do. Every summer.
But it's awful. Trust me.
Why wouldn't the south laugh? Their population, and that of the southwest, continues to grow, while everywhere else stagnates or declines. Today has been bad take day at Cruel Neutrality Zone.
Duluth is a nice stop on the way to the North Shore, which is sort of like New England without the Massholes.
Bob Boyd never met Garrison Kiellor.
Gahrie said...
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The places on Earth that are cold have low population densities. The places on Earth that are warm have high population densities.
Warm, with adequate precipitation or water supply from upstream, and arable land. But yes, heat is for the most part, better then cold.
I discovered in Dubai that the reason people were standing hip-to-hip in the Baskin Robbins rather than walking outside is that eating ice cream with air temp at 120°F and humidity close to ero wasn't a good idea. My buddy and I turned right around and walked back in to the crowd.
Hip-to-hip is more polite then the military term for that kind of crowding...
But high population densities do require potable water and food. Neither of which can be found in abundance at Arctic latitudes. There are a few other facrtors that decide where the cities with the high densities go. But technology ensures they can get food and water even if poorly located.
Mark Twain said something like “the coldest winter I ever experienced was a summer in Duluth.”
Minnesota is nice, Wisconsin is Superior.
The problem with Duluth is you are still in MN. Enjoy paying reparations to people who were never slaves, suckas!
Ain't happening, Ann. Sorry.
It costs $1,700 to get a small U-Haul truck to go one way from Duluth to Austin TX on June 1, and $680 to go the other direction. Migration is definitely occurring, just in the opposite direction. The U-Haul test never lies.
As usual with the NYT--just assume the opposite of whatever they are telling you and you will be fine.
Aggie: All of Metro Atlanta including intown is booming, but especially the northern suburbs. Our county alone regularly ranks in the top ten counties in the country for population growth, with a 47% increase over the past decade. You are right that some parts of Texas currently outpace us, but we're both right that virtually all population growth is occurring in the South. Just our one county's population growth over ten years exceeds the entire current population of Duluth.
The foothills region south of Appalachia is also the most survivable part of the country, with ample fresh water, ample growing seasons, moderate winters, not terrible summers, and few extreme weather events or looming geological disasters.
I wouldn't start investing in lutefisk stock any time soon.
"Mark Twain said something like 'the coldest winter I ever experienced was a summer in Duluth.'" Well, if "something like" means it was actually San Francisco rather than Duluth, then yes Mark Twain said something like that.
No, but thank you for asking. I've been to Duluth's warmer brother Minneapolis at -31 wind chill. I'm happy to live where the humidity drips off your nose in the morning leaning down to get the newspaper back when there were such things.
It's a routine human quirk is to predict (and be wrong) about the end of the world. People often indicate specific dates for the apocalypse, and then they try again and again. Zealots won't give up until they die.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ten-notable-apocalypses-that-obviously-didnt-happen-9126331/
https://www.britannica.com/list/10-failed-doomsday-predictions
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/
https://www.christianity.com/wiki/end-times/what-is-revelation-all-about.html
Climate is the generic doomsayers flavor of the day. A stopped clock is correct twice a day, every day.
Listen to uncorrupted physicists and climate scientists (there are relatively few; witness Team COVID). Ignore the mentally ill and ignorant manipulative politicians.
Gadfly. The taconite tailings are rock. Just rock. The same rock that is on the floor of Lake Superior.
Nobody goes to Duluth by choice.
Sometimes being ahead of your time is a euphemism for being wrong.
Educated (more often, today, falsely equated with intelligent) people do not like to be wrong. Indeed, they cannot be wrong because they are educated. They will most often appeal to those in authority to support their righteousness. If not, they will find a plurality, easy on the internet, to support an assertion. The assertion does not have to be true, indeed most effective if said assertion does not have any immediate impact for those positing it.
The position that the population is increasing (easily falsifiable, but irrelevant) can be used as a supporting argument that climate change is real, today. Even if later falsified, it has already tipped the scale in support of a non-falsifiable argument.
I moved to Central Texas in 2019 for warmer weather. So far it's snowed or iced every winter I've been here.
"The migration is happening because California has become unlivable...."
Why has California become unlivable?
"...freedom in Florida...."
Hahahaha! Not if Ronnie DeSantos has anything to say about it!
Ponder Freud's "The Future of an Illusion". It turns out that religion was more durable than Freudian insights. People still go to church, but Freudian psychoanalysis has gone the way of spats. The theories of Marx and Freud were plausible rather than true. Something like that seems to be happening with global warming. It's plausible to assume that all those exhaust pipes and cow farts are having some effect on the climate, but it's quite a great leap forward to assume that mankind knows exactly how to adjust and improve the weather.....Here in NYC it's been a mild winter. No snow and a fair number of days when the weather was spring like. I've got no problems with global warming if indeed it exists....I'm an old man, and I've become increasingly reptilian. My body no longer generates heat, and I find hot, humid days quite comfortable. Global warming to the extent it exists has been a blessing....Well, I'll be dead in a few years which makes the subject academic. Maybe there will be a nuclear war over Ukraine which will also make the subject academic. Nuclear war was the Armageddon of choice during my youth. I'm old fashioned. I'd like to see a nuclear Argmageddon. That would justify a lot of my youthful anxieties, and I get to say "I told you so" to Greta.
"But I bet most people in the South will just laugh at this idea."
Bhwahahahahahahahaha.
Many of us who live n the south WISH that trend was true.
“Heat is good for humans.”
And CO2 is good for plants. One of the things that CAGW fanatics don’t want to talk about is that the Earth is greening. More plants are growing, which equates to more food, because there is more CO2, necessary for plant respiration, available in the atmosphere. It’s simple. It’s logical. And it’s provable. Which is why those who want to treat CO2 as a pollutant want to ignore it.
Temps have been flat for 8 years
I'm not certain if that is true, but I will say that an 8-year time span is far too short when talking about climate.
I would not mind the cold and snow of Duluth. I would mind the dark. Dark by 4:30 PM, or Dark still at 7:30 AM is dreadful.
“Minnesota nice” isn’t what the writer claims it is, as some commenters pointed out.
Also, while “The South” is unliveable, due to those terrifying conservatives, Duluth is 88% white.
“Up on da Range” sure ain’t what it used to be.
I took global warming seriously in 1984 when I decided to move to Madison, Wisconsin.
So you’ve been gullible for almost 40 years.
Duluth, MN is my hometown. It's freezing cold with weeks we'll below 0 degrees, gets 70+ inches of snow a year but very little downhill skiing, and lacks sunlight due to grey days week after week. You should stay away! You would be miserable there!
Duluth, MN is my hometown. It's freezing cold with weeks we'll below 0 degrees, gets 70+ inches of snow a year but very little downhill skiing, and lacks sunlight due to grey days week after week. You should stay away! You would be miserable there!
"I took global warming seriously in 1984 when I decided to move to Madison, Wisconsin."
Way ahead of the pack: It was June of 1988 when most people first heard of global warming as an issue. Here we are 35 years later and not much has changed. A Human lifespan is a blink of an eye to geologic time.
Duluth is having a top 10 seasonal winter snowfall year this season (by the way). And they're year-to-date snowfall this year is #1.
Robert Cook said...
"The migration is happening because California has become unlivable...."
"Why has California become unlivable?"
Because of people like you.
dbp said...
"I took global warming seriously in 1984 when I decided to move to Madison, Wisconsin."
"Way ahead of the pack: It was June of 1988 when most people first heard of global warming as an issue. Here we are 35 years later and not much has changed. A Human lifespan is a blink of an eye to geologic time."
At all. I mean Zero. Nothing the global climate grifters have proclaimed has come true. Nothing.
Given the long term net out migration from Duluth, I suspect a major attraction for the few moving in is low home prices. But I'm too lazy to research it.
Why has California become unlivable?
Taxes, for one thing.
Prop. 13- and other government- and policy- related effects on real estate prices, such as the extreme difficulty of permitting a new development, for another.
Grossly unsanitary versions of homelessness in residential areas in certain cities, for a third.
The weight of regulation in all areas of life, as demonstrated during COVID, for a fourth.
The cost of living in general, for a fifth.
"'Why has California become unlivable?'
"Because of people like you."
Hahahaha! I've never stepped foot one (or two) in California, so, my awesome powers of influence notwithstanding, no act of mine can have had any effect on that state's livability. If you mean "people like me," well, to whatever degree there may be other rare and precious people like me, my/our effect on others and the environment about us can only be salubrious and enriching.
"Nothing the global climate grifters have proclaimed has come true. Nothing.
I'd double fact-check that bold assertion, if I were you. It reflects "rusty" thinking (BOOM!/rim shot!).
Meanwhile 2 hours north of Duluth...
Minnesota dad kills elderly sex offender with moose antler
Levi Axtell, 27, walked into a police station on March 8 covered in blood, fell to his knees and told cops he fatally beat Lawrence V. Scully, 77, with a shovel, Fox reported.
He added he’d “finished” the job with the moose part, he allegedly told cops.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/11/minnesota-dad-kill-elderly-sex-offender-with-moose-antler/
"BIII Zhang said...
There's a reason rich white people flee to Duluth, and to Madison, and it's got nothing to do with global warming:
It's global darkening"
The fact that Duluth is 85% white and 3.5% black is a major reason it's pleasant even though freezing. Although it could be 3.5% more pleasant.
"BIII Zhang said...
There's a reason rich white people flee to Duluth, and to Madison, and it's got nothing to do with global warming:
It's global darkening"
The fact that Duluth is 85% white and 3.5% black is a major reason it's pleasant even though freezing. Although it could be 3.5% more pleasant.
@Bunkypotatohead:
Racist, much?
The American South, for as long as Europeans have been here, has had long hot summers and short cool rainy winters.
If the increase in atmospheric CO2 has had any effect, it is a positive one: as noted above, better growing conditions for crops and wild plants, particularly trees. The South now has more forest cover than it has had in more than a century -- and trees thrive on CO2 and are soaking up any so-called "excess".
And people have always been just plain NICER in the South -- at least, until the recent invasion of the OYAs (Obnoxious Yankee A-holes).
The migration is happening because California has become unlivable and Californians are migrating to nice places that were nice because they weren’t full of Californians…so for the people in those places they have become unlivable and they are migrating to places like Duluth.
Duluth has been unbearably left-wing for a lot longer than California. All those unionized Finnish miners and their woke descendants.
It's not normal for @AA to be sneering like this. It feels like a troll post.
Duluth has declined a lot. It used to be the third city in MN but has been outstripped in the last 15 years or so by affluent Rochester in the SE part of the state, home of the Mayo Clinic. Many people in the little farming towns in SE MN, and even Northern Iowa, work in Rochester at the Clinic, hospitals and associated businesses. There is no work in Duluth and it's not naturally spectacular enough to support a year-round tourist economy.
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