Why compare these particular 2 individuals? You're always going to be able to find someone who got an easy sentence to contrast with the person you think got a harsh sentence, so why pick that specific instance of what looks like leniency?Chansley got 4 years in prison for a non-violent, police-escorted tour!?
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 10, 2023
Dave Chapelle was violently assaulted on stage by a guy with a knife. That guy got a $3000 fine & no prison time. https://t.co/qDRWxozD8B
First, is it even true that Chappelle was "assaulted on stage by a guy with a knife" and that the man received "no prison time." It says in the NY Post that Isaiah Lee received a 270-day sentence — so that was served in "jail," not "prison," making Musk technically right.
And Lee had a knife on his person, but he did not wield the knife in the attack on Chappelle, so it's deceptive/sloppy to say he assaulted Chappelle "with a knife." If you have a knife in your pocket and you give somebody a shove, have you attacked him with a knife? Is that the kind of technical correctness Musk wants to be known for?
I'd say a 270-day sentence was appropriate. What would you give Will Smith for hitting Chris Rock? 270 days? Less? More?
Speaking of Hollywood royalty, why was Jacob Chanley treated like a special guest by the Capitol Police? Here's my hypothesis: Someone selected him from the crowd because of the way he looked. He became the face of the insurrection/"insurrection" because he was chosen for the part, not because he exercised leadership.
Chansley was like a beautiful young woman in a crowd at a rock concert, spotted by roadies and squired to the after party.
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Chansley was like a beautiful young woman in a crowd at a rock concert, spotted by roadies and squired to the after party.
He was dancing in the dark.
Musk is right, and that is why there is such an uproar in the country. There are 3 or 4 tiers of justice in our country today. This is one of them. Hillary is on a completely different tier.
You could pick practically any sentence for a minor assault and it would seem much less severe than what Chansley got -- because the whole point of the comparison is that four years in FPMITA prison is grossly disproportionate for someone who was essentially a photogenic rando among the protesters, picked out by the Capitol Police and media and a judge to be the poster child for the insurrection narrative.
In the world Althouse wishes to inhabit only Democrats are allowed to (encouraged to?) engage in demagoguery.
Someone selected him from the crowd because of the way he looked. He became the face of the insurrection/"insurrection" because he was chosen from the part, not because he exercised leadership.
He did not know he was auditioning for his role in the stage production, Insurrection!.
He was thinking "reality," but obviously this was "reality TV," which is not the same thing.
I don't know how much money and/or power the producers of Insurrection! got from their piece of shit show trial. Who are the producers? He ought to sue them for back wages and/or freedom from his prison sentence.
If you think Hollywood producers are shitty people, the show trial fuckers in D.C. are way, way worse.
As it is suggested by his family that Chancey has a history of mental illness, I wonder if it was more than picked out of a crowd. Was he told to be there dressed like that?
Chansley was like a beautiful young woman in a crowd at a rock concert, spotted by roadies and squired to the after party.
And then gang-raped by the band.
So, while democrats have long since moved beyond embellishment to outright fabrication to advance the narrative, we now must criticize even a modest embellishment used by a conservative/libertarian to illustrate the obvious unfairness of Chansley's treatment? While simultaneously ignoring the cruelty of imprisoning a gentle man suffering from mental illness, who has done nothing that could possibly justify such a sentence? In what universe does this qualify as cruel neutrality?
So, while democrats have long since moved beyond embellishment to outright fabrication to advance the narrative, we now must criticize even a modest embellishment used by a conservative/libertarian to illustrate the obvious unfairness of Chansley's treatment? While simultaneously ignoring the cruelty of imprisoning a gentle man suffering from mental illness, who has done nothing that could possibly justify such a sentence? In what universe does this qualify as cruel neutrality?
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Unequal justice is important to keep people from questioning the narrative.
The Machiavelli out front should have told you.
There are MASSIVELY DIFFERENT legal consequences for <1 year in jail versus 1+ year in prison. There's legal magic at 365 days. Felony and prison sentences indeed have life-limiting and life-transforming consequences. This was the rationale behind Defund the Police and alternative sentencing and interventions. Those often fail and prison is the only real solution (witness the issues of NYC, Chicago, San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle).
Musk's point is valid.
"JEFF GOLDSTEIN: Of Cabbages and Kings. “We have all seen, in similar instances, political rioters favored by the political elite who were arrested by police, then released almost immediately and en masse. We have witnessed the double standard in justice being meted out. And to some of us, the perception is that, not only are we living in a two-tiered justice system, but that most reprehensibly, this hierarchy isn’t even much hidden any longer. It just is, and there’s not a damn thing we in the cellar can do about it. So right now, we should be worried less about how the legacy media will present GOP members who arrange to meet with prisoners, or who can now view footage Jan 6 committee members never viewed, and care more that in the United States of America, there are political prisoners — who also happen to be US citizens — being denied real due process.”
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What was worse, Musk's tweet or the way Democrats treated Taibbi and Schellenberger at the Congressional hearings yesterday?
What would you give Will Smith for hitting Chris Rock?
I would have given him six months in a county jail and a $2,000 fine, which are the maximum penalties in California for simple battery.
There is another video out there that shows Chansley actually showing leadership, reading a tweet from Trump telling people to go home. In the video he is trying to deescalate the situation. At one point Chansley says “we’re not Antifa.” That’s true in ways he came to understand later on.
Has there ever been a Republican tried in a D.C. court within the last few years that wasn't found guilty and received a subsequent harsh penalty? Serious question.
To be sure,the Puerto Rican nationalists who shot up the Capitol in 1954 and wounded five Congressmen received life sentences. But President Carter commuted their sentences and they returned to a hero's welcome in Puerto Rico in 1978. There's an apples to apples comparison to be made here with Chansley, but it's never made. It would be racist to even make it. There are holy causes and there are MAGA causes. Any offense committed in a holy cause is forgivable. Any offense in a MAGA cause is done for the advancement of white supremacy and is unforgivable.
Yeah... Max it out!
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"He became the face of the insurrection/"insurrection" because he was chosen for the part, not because he exercised leadership."
This is correct. But who appointed him to this role? Why the Capitol Police escort? It was because he stood out. He looked so clearly lunatic fringe material, wild and hooting. But really, the hooting was minimal. And wild? He actually acted downright passive. But his looks could be staged and used by the same governmental leaders who were given requests for more security, both pre and during the gathering, and did nothing. What better 'Face of the Insurrection' than a man who hooted while wearing face paint and a buffalo headdress?
So much of this falls into my 'Bullshit' tag.
A better comparison might be the Colbert Show film crew who was told by the Capitol Police to remove themselves.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal prosecutors said Monday they have declined to bring charges against nine people associated with CBS’ “Late Show with Stephen Colbert” who were arrested in a building in the U.S. Capitol complex last month.
The decision, made by the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, comes after prosecutors determined they “cannot move forward” with the misdemeanor charges against the nine people arrested June 16 in the Longworth House Office Building. The incident followed the third public hearing by the House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection.
A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office said it was not probable a conviction could be obtained and sustained given that the nine arrested had been invited and that their escorts had never asked them to leave the building.
Now we know why they hid the Chansley video?
Police said the group was arrested on unlawful entry charges “because members of the group had been told several times before they entered the Congressional buildings that they had to remain with a staff escort inside the buildings and they failed to do so.”
Prosecutors said the group had been invited by congressional staffers and had never been asked to leave by the staff members who had invited them. The U.S. attorney’s office said some people in the group of nine had been told by police that they were supposed to have an escort.
Left out of the AP story...
U.S. Capitol Police Chief Thomas Manger broke down the arrests, explaining how an aide from Rep. Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., called the police after hearing someone shouting at their office and banging on the door of Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo.
The aide told authorities the Colbert team warned "we’re going to leave something under your door," the letter said...
"Defendant Plunkett was told that the Gallery would not provide the group credentials since they were not press and, as they had been told previously, they were not allowed in the Congressional buildings as press," Manger wrote. "Mr. Plunkett was told he could appeal this decision to the Gallery’s Executive Committee, but he declined to do so, saying that he knew they would not qualify as press."
According to the police, the staffers were charged with unlawful entry after being found acting "disruptive, loud" and "theatrical"
Manger’s letter also said the group was told they "could not come into the buildings without an escort nor be in the buildings without an escort."
Federal prosecutors dropped charges against the nine crew members on Monday, saying they were never asked to leave the building by staffers who invited them, despite being told they needed to have an escort.
"It is unfortunate that despite all of the evidence the Department presented, including that the group or its leader had been told several times that they could not be in the buildings without an escort, that the U.S. Attorney’s office declined to prosecute any members of the group for Unlawful Entry," Manger wrote.
Pelosi et al's Capitol fire.
District of [Progressive] Corruption.
By my reckoning, Chansley received a sentence that was approximately 14% of what the Puerto Rican nationalists served. While it's true that those nationalists wounded five Congressmen, one of them seriously, it should be noted that they wore appropriate business attire and behaved with dignified decorum whilst they were attempting to murder them. That undoubtedly was a factor in the later commuting of their sentences.
Hillary Clinton is STILL walking free. THAT is a travesty of justice.
Have you found anyone who got a sentence remotely like Jacob Chansley's for equivalent conduct as part of a protest? In any place other than a dictatorship?
Musk is making his point using a specific, well-known example.
The point is that nobody gets a sentence like that, except for political reasons.
Here's my hypothesis: Someone selected him from the crowd because of the way he looked. He became the face of the insurrection/"insurrection" because he was chosen for the part, not because he exercised leadership.
Yes, why Chansey?
The Chief of Capitol Police, was frustrated because he kept asking for direction as to what to do with the hundreds of protestors running around and Senators and Congress persons secured but still onsight. No on responded to his repeated urgent questions over the radio. He finally acted without supervisors direct orders.
If you have not read Naomi Wolfe's sincere apology for believing, the Democrats phonied up narrative, concerning Jan 6, It offers an excellent measured examination of what has been going on for the last 4 years. Covid and Jan 6. Going back and looking at Historical events in DC concerning Protests. As a wise man says, "read the whole thing".
https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry
Why compare these particular 2 individuals? You're always going to be able to find someone who got an easy sentence to contrast with the person you think got a harsh sentence, so why pick that specific instance of what looks like leniency?
Shorter Althouse: "Never compare anybody to anybody, especially if it makes a Democrat look bad."
In what universe does this qualify as cruel neutrality?
Cruel neutrality means neutrality that is cruel to conservatives and Right wingers. (Which apparently includes White men and boys)
A better comparison for Musk to make is the treatment of Ray Epps. Epps walked free after encouraging the Capital breach.
So what if Musk used that particular example to make his point about the harsh treatment Chansley and the other J6 defendants have received? There's no shortage of examples Musk could have used to make that point, such as all the protesters at the Wisconsin state capitol a few years ago, or all the Antifa/BLM rioters in 2020. Musk's use of Chappelle attacker to make the point wasn't exactly a case of reckless demagoguery. Why focus on Musk's specific choice of examples rather than engage with the larger issue of unequal justice under the law?
Chansley for President 2024!
Roman Polanski drugged and ass-raped a 13 year old girl. He's been on the lam from even minimal justice for the past 40 years or so.
He has suffered almost no consequence, legal professional or social for his crime.
Our hostess has always been fine with this. He's an artiste, you see. Not some horn hatted MAGAista.
Throw that guy in the slammer and throw away the key.
Even torture is OK. Not torture for information like we do with terrorists. Just torture for... Why? Fun? Set an example? Because they can? Or just because he is deplorable?
Does this pretty well describe your opinion as expressed here today and on prior occasions?
I don't recall you ever objecting to the torture of Chansley, have you?
Or to the coerced guilty plea?
Or to the coerced waiver of his right to appeal?
Or did you object and I missed it?
John Henry
My comment above about Chansley applies generally to all of the J6 political prisoners
John Henry
Chansley was selected because he was good theater for Democrats and their corrupt prosecutors regardless of his actions.
Even the judge was scammed, although the judges are among the most culpable in the J6 shit show. "8th Amendment? What 8th Amendment?"
Even the dumbest of the dumb Democrat rank and file ought to recognize that Chansley is disturbed, yet non-violent. But no-o-o.
Proximity in time and space is a basic rule of law and social memory.
Pelosi's Capitol fire was a probable Whitmer-event, which, fortunately, has been contained, and its progress mitigated, but the past, present and progressive collateral damage is preserved in blood on the countenance of the democratic/dictatorial duality. #WaitingOnWWeimar
Ann, if I mischaractarized your previous comments on the appropriateness of polanski's lack of consequences for ass-raping the 13 year old, apologies.
How many years should he have served?
John Henry
"Chansley was like a beautiful young woman in a crowd at a rock concert, spotted by roadies and squired to the after party."
And they both got fucked...
iowan: "If you have not read Naomi Wolfe's sincere apology for believing, the Democrats phonied up narrative...."
Naomi Wolfe has long since been cancelled by the lefties. Down the pipe with the likes of Turley, Taibbi, Dershowitz, Greenwald, Gabbard, etc.
If you are not deluded or complicit in the big lies - flush!
Ann Althouse said: "Here's my hypothesis: Someone selected him from the crowd because of the way he looked. He became the face of the insurrection/"insurrection" because he was chosen for the part, not because he exercised leadership." Interesting hypothesis, who should we speculate was responsible for 'picking him out of the crowd'? The video of cops walking him around the building and showing him into the senate chambers might lead someone to suspect that the cops (or their bosses) picked him out. Now, why would the cops be looking for someone to become the face of the insurrection? I would expect them to be busy enough trying to protect the congressmen and clear the building. If you're not careful, speculating about this might lead you to think that it was a set-up all along, a 'Reichstag fire' as some folks assert.
Jamie has it exactly. It was a terrible analogy, but it needed to be taken to the end.
Jamie said...
Chansley was like a beautiful young woman in a crowd at a rock concert, spotted by roadies and squired to the after party.
And then gang-raped by the band.
What Lane Ranger said at 6:50
Thread winner!
Why compare these particular 2 individuals?
There is also their disparate race, a favorite fuel of twitter fires.
That’s sloppy analysis. Musk was more precise: “attacked by a guy with a knife,” which is worlds away from saying he was “attacked with a knife by a guy.” If the “guy” had not been stopped he could have easily drew that weapon and used it. One doesn’t need to shoot a victim to be charged with armed robbery because the threat of a gun is enough to warrant the charge.
"he was chosen for the part, not because he exercised leadership"
He may have been chosen for the part, but he was punished as a leader.
"Chansley was like a beautiful young woman in a crowd at a rock concert, spotted by roadies and squired to the after party."
"Let me add the radical feminist hypothesis: The subordination of women is the age-old way of the world, and we ought to suspect that any new efforts to protect or help women are new mechanisms of subordination."
The "girl at the rock concert" part of this post is quite apt. Somebody, or some group of somebodies, was strategizing on the fly about how to structure our perception of this event. If there had only been an armed Nazi sympathizer, that would have been ideal. Failing that, let's get some internet weirdo, a cosplay Viking in full face paint, carrying the flag around as though it were some sort of religious amulet.
I would love to hear from the Capitol Police officers, candidly telling us about how they selected Chansley, on whose orders, and what they thought they were doing. That candid part is going to be hard to come by. Somebody, or some group of somebodies, doesn't want to be known. We don't yet know the real story, do we?
It’s “Jacob” Chansley. Not “Jason.”
As has been said: the cruelty is the point.
Chansley was like a beautiful young woman in a crowd at a rock concert, spotted by roadies and squired to the after party.
More like a band's manager giving directions to their concert security guys to invite a dude onstage during the show, then beat the living shit out of him in full view of the crowd as an example of what happens to people who try to climb onstage during one of their concerts.
If you have a knife in your pocket and you give somebody a shove, have you attacked him with a knife?
If you are a conservative under political attack by the DoJ, the answer is a resounding yes.
I have read none of the legal pleadings in the Chansey case, but I do remember every time the media recounts his activity, it is never failed to be highlighted, that he was carrying a spear, supporting the US Flag. Unsure if that warranted a weapons charge. The resident legal eagles here will most likey put a fine point on that.
But I have no doubt the Fed would absolutely charge you with a weapons charge it they were in their full political persecution mode. (See Gen Flynn v Judge Sullivan)
That reminds me. Naomie Wolfes confession, rightly notes Elected Democrats leading the way in spreading false narratives, along with DoJ/FBI, the IC and several other federal agencies.
She fails to note the corrupt Judiciary aiding and abetting this federal abuse of power. Federal judges are just steps behind the FBI in losing all public respect.
How about the people who actually bombed the capitol? You know the ones who had their sentences commuted by Bill Clinton on request from Jerry Nadler?
Chansley is mentally ill. He has a history of that condition and, looking at his costume, I would say he still is. I am sure he was chosen by the police to illustrate the Democrat's thesis that Trump supporters are also mentally ill. He was held in solitary confinement until he agreed to plead guilty. Mission accomplished. The two suicides among the political prisoners were also desired outcomes.
This is a dark period in our history and I fear worse is coming.
Another example of differential justice for a “political” crime.
One data point does not make a trend. But we have a lot of data points these days.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/antifa-activist-probation-gop-senator-office-axe.amp
Why compare individuals? Because that brings the injustice home to normies. Why did Buffalo horns guy get 4 years? I want leftists to justify that 4 year sentence.
Of course a BETTER comparison would be the jail sentences handed out to those who have taken over State Capitals, those who attacked the White House in 2020, those who rioted after Trump's inaugaural in 2017, and those who invaded the Senate Chamber during the Senate Hearing.
That comparison will show the J6 sentences of the protesters are insanely harsh, extreme, and out of line. But Musk wanted to PERSONALIZE it, to convince average people.
All this J6 sentencing shows Congress needs to take away Federal Judges descretion in sentencing. The Left wing Judges CANNOT behave rationally. There should be MANDATORY Sentencing Guidlines, and those Guidlines should have a VERY Narrow range of Time in Jail. And the longest sentences allowed should be reduced. Its insane that someone can be sentences to a Year or more in jail for Tresspassing on Capital.
It would certainly be informative if our new Republican majority in the House would interview the two officers escorting Chansey and trying to get him into the Senate chamber and ask them who ordered them to do so. Perhaps they have and I missed it.
And then interview that guy and maybe get deeper into just who was orchestrating the whole thing.
I doubt they were acting on their own.
BTW, go view Multi-Millionaire Stephen Colbert's vulgar hate-filled take on the Tucker Carlson video. The one showing Buffalo Horns guy was escorted by the police around the Capital and was unjustly treated.
He sneers, makes shit/ass jokes, calls Tucker a "Dick", lies, and finally chortles (while the audience applauds), that over 1000 j6 protesters have been arrested. 4 years for QA shaman was too little for Colbert. He wanted more. He's laughed over Ashli Babbit's execution.
He disgusting creep - and no doubt the Federal Judges in DC, watch him every night.
Chansley continues to be the focus while other paraders suffer.
Anything about who placed pipe bombs? Reason why Epps was on list then scrubbed?
Did J6 committee add crowd sounds to silent security footage?
Was the shooter in Lady Gaga's dognapping held in solitary for extended period?
They are both sentences for politically motivated actions. One was considerably more violent than the other. I'll agree on the "with a knife" but I see how a public figure like Musk might have particular fears in this area. I personally think a comparison with Code Pink folks who screamed at the Kavanaugh hearing or the folks who rioted in front of the White House in the 2020, or the folks who tried to enter the Supreme Court during the Dobbs hearing would be more relevant, but I couldn't find any stories at all about any of them being sentenced. Presumably they were arrested and released without charges.
You are absolutely right about the curation of the January 6 coverage.
Why wasn't Will Smith arrested for assault?
Gee, maybe he should have compared this guy with Bill Ayers, who not only bombed the Pentagon but then was given space in the NYT to brag about how he wished he had bombed even more buildings -- published on 9/11/01.
It's likely people literally died in the Pentagon and on airplanes and in the twin towers while reading this op-ed endorsed by the Times.
It's even possible Ayers, with his Cuban, IRA, HAMAS, and other terrorist ties, knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance and coordinated for the editorial to be published on the morning of the attacks.
And Michelle and Barack continued dining with him several nights a week for years after he wrote this, a fact that has been lied about by every major newspaper in the U.S.
Your concern about Musk's choice of comparison makes no sense, but this is quote arguably a better one. Ayers never served a day for bombing or attempting to bomb the Pentagon, a judge's home, a New York court, a Fort Dix dance hall where hundreds of soldiers and their dates were attending a party, and many other government facilities. And the media co tonnes to protect the Obamas' grotesque lies about their deep involvement with this actual terrorist.
And what about Code Pink? They disrupt Congress repeatedly.
Chansley was like a beautiful young woman in a crowd at a rock concert, spotted by roadies and squired to the after party.
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is Professora employing Feminist or Misogyny in this interpretation?
what happens to 'beautiful young woman' in after party?
My understanding is that gerontocratic turkey wattles were set aquiver/ashiever on Jan 6, 2021 which surely justifies 4 year + sentence to those causing such tremors in sensitive regions of THIS GREAT NATION
"What would you give Will Smith for hitting Chris Rock? 270 days? Less? More?"
If you think a black actor with $100M net worth is ever going to be arrested in Hollywood, then I want some of what you're smoking...
I'd say a 270-day sentence was appropriate.
Since the entrapment/coerce a plea hustle is now Althouse approved it’s reassuring to know future Republicans can use it against their political enemies without pushback from Ann. End sarc.
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Gee, maybe he should have compared this guy with Bill Ayers, who not only bombed the Pentagon but then was given space in the NYT to brag about how he wished he had bombed even more buildings -- published on 9/11/01.
It's likely people literally died in the Pentagon and on airplanes and in the twin towers while reading this op-ed endorsed by the Times.
It's even possible Ayers, with his Cuban, IRA, HAMAS, and other terrorist ties, knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance and coordinated for the editorial to be published on the morning of the attacks.
And Michelle and Barack continued dining with him several nights a week for years after he wrote this, a fact that has been lied about by every major newspaper in the U.S.
Your concern about Musk's choice of comparison makes no sense, but this is quote arguably a better one. Ayers never served a day for bombing or attempting to bomb the Pentagon, a judge's home, a New York court, a Fort Dix dance hall where hundreds of soldiers and their dates were attending a party, and many other government facilities. And the media co tonnes to protect the Obamas' grotesque lies about their deep involvement with this actual terrorist.
And what about Code Pink? They disrupt Congress repeatedly.
3/11/23, 1:28 PM
THIS^^^^
And what about Code Pink? They disrupt Congress repeatedly
There’s really no statute of limitations for insurrection or whatever ‘crime’ Congress invents…
Start with that blonde so called-comedian lady…
I don't understand why Musk is going out of his way to annoy Democrats. Why is that a good idea for him?
He's right, you know.
Did Jake Chansley have "a knife"?
Not exactly. But geebus; look at the freaking spear-tip on the end of his "flagpole." A flagpole which is nothing so much as a freaking spear, with a flag zip-tied to it.
PICTURE!
Is that basically a ten-inch knife attached to a stout pole? Maybe not. Maybe not sharpened, quite like a knife. But with a guy dressed as "the QAnon Shaman," who has just illegally burst into the Capitol to stop a session of Congress, and who is shouting stuff like, "Time is up, motherfuckers!", I wouldn't be stopping to gauge the sharpness of the implement. He is a dangerous rioter.
Chuck pulls the blinds and downs a few extra G&Ts on Halloween.
"He is a dangerous rioter."
The CP showing him around didn't seem to think so. Or maybe he was just SOOOO terrifying they had no choice.
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