August 25, 2022

How far into the NYT article "Biden to Cancel $10,000 in Student Debt" must we read before we see anything about the President's power to do such a thing?

Here's the article, "Biden to Cancel $10,000 in Student Debt; Low-Income Students Are Eligible for More/The debt forgiveness comes after months of deliberations in the White House over fairness and fears that the plan could make inflation worse ahead of the midterm elections."

I suspect that less than 1% of Americans, if surveyed now, could correctly answer the question: What legal basis did President Biden cite for his power to cancel student debt? I don't know the answer, and I'm not even sure he did cite any basis for this giant arrogation of power. I don't think he said: The President has the power to do anything he can get away with. Or: We'll find out when the people go to the polls in November. Or: The joke's on you because no one has standing to challenge it.

I just want to see how far I need to go into this NYT article before I find anything in the general area of an answer to my question.

Paragraphs 1-3: Nothing. There is this interesting quote from Biden: "All of this means people can start finally to climb out from under that mountain of debt." If you're under a mountain of debt, does $10,000 change your life? He didn't say it would, only that you could "start" getting out from under it. 

Paragraphs 4-9: Nothing. But we do get some info on how much it might cost. They don't really know, but they've thrown out the number "$300 billion or more." And we're told they were concerned about the perception that the plan is "unfair" or will worsen inflation.

Paragraphs 10-15: Nothing. But we are told about one young woman who declared that, for her, "This is life changing." 

Paragraph 16: Finally an acknowledgment that the question of the President's power exists
Because Mr. Biden used executive action, rather than legislation, to forgive the loans, legal challenges are expected. It is unclear, however, who would have the standing to press their case in court. A recent Virginia Law Review article argued that the answer might be no one: States, for example, have little say in the operation of a federal loan system.

That's a law student note on the subject of standing. Maybe no court will be able to reach the merits of the question of the President's power.  I'm just noticing that the word "power" doesn't appear anywhere in this article. We're told "Biden used executive action." Did he do it yet? I thought he just announced a plan.

Anyway, writing "Biden used executive action" rather than "Biden used executive power" suggests doubt about whether the President indeed has the power. Or maybe it's simply an unwillingness to address the question of executive power. That's why the question of standing seems so appealing: The courts can't talk about it either. But the President still needs a legal basis for his power, and he ought to be able to articulate it to the public. But — shhh! — maybe people won't notice. 

Paragraphs 17-26: We move on, away from law. We're given some policy points: It's a good idea to cancel the small debts that are in default. Maybe eliminate interest.

Paragraph 27: Law makes a flitting appearance:

But inside the White House, Mr. Biden’s top aides were debating the political and economic ramifications of the decision. According to people familiar with his thinking, the president was concerned that loan cancellation would be seen as a giveaway that would be an affront to those who had paid their or their relative’s tuition. Some top aides also argued that Mr. Biden lacked the legal authority to move forward with the sweeping loan forgiveness and that he should work with Congress instead of using executive action.

So some people noticed there's a question of legal authority. Did they not sketch out the legal argument? Did they not think the people would want to know? Or was the idea to get a big proposal out there for political impact now and push the legal question years into the future and possibly — with the help of standing doctrine — into oblivion?

Paragraphs 28-37 (the end): Nope. Nothing. 

The answer to the question in the post title is Paragraph 16. The answer to the question in boldface at the beginning of the post — What legal basis did President Biden cite for his power to cancel student debt? — is that this article never says whether he said anything at all about the need for power. 

I suspect the answer to that question is "none," so I'm going to let go of my suspicion that "less than 1% of Americans, if surveyed now, could correctly answer the question." I think a good chunk of Americans are savvy — or cynical — enough to say: NONE! 

But is that the correct answer? Must I comb through the President's speech? 

ADDED: No, "none" is not correct. Here's an AP stating clearly what Biden is relying on:

[I]n a legal opinion released Wednesday, the Justice Department said that the HEROES Act of 2003 gives the administration “sweeping authority” to reduce or eliminate student debt during a national emergency, "when significant actions with potentially far-reaching consequences are often required.”

The law was adopted with overwhelming bipartisan support at a time when U.S. forces were fighting two wars, in Afghanistan and Iraq. It gives the Education secretary authority to waive rules relating to student financial aid programs in times or war or national emergency.

Former President Donald Trump declared a national emergency in 2020 because of the pandemic, and it remains in effect. But neither Trump nor Biden, until the president’s announcement on Wednesday, had tried to wipe out so much student debt at one time.

The Justice Department’s legal justification seemed to be anticipating criticism that the broad-based debt cancellation might run afoul of Supreme Court rulings, including a June decision limiting the administration’s ability to combat climate change. In that case, the court declared that when dealing with such “major questions,” the administration must point to clear congressional authorization when it asserts new power over an important part of the economy.

The justification for the debt cancellation “seems to tee up nicely -- perhaps inadvertently — a major-questions doctrine challenge as the opinion seems to suggest the agency could forgive all student loans for everyone due to pandemic” if the agency head deemed it necessary, Chris Walker, a University of Michigan law professor wrote on Twitter....

AND: Here's Politico outlining "The Legal Authority" (quoting the WSJ, WaPo, with the same NYT paragraph 16 that I quoted above):

WSJ: “Mr. Biden’s plan will test the legal limits of the federal government’s authority to cancel student debt. Its success could depend on how courts would interpret the education secretary’s powers under the 1965 Higher Education Act, which allows the secretary to ‘consent to modification’ of loans, and ‘compromise, waive, or release’ unspecified amounts of student debt.

Advocates for broad cancellation say the lack of explicit constraints in the law is deliberate, giving the executive branch flexibility with its ‘compromise authority’ to manage its relationship with borrowers. They note that presidents of both parties have used the law to forgive debt on a more-limited scale.”

Flashback #1: “I don’t think I have the authority to do it by signing the pen,” – Biden, Feb. 16, 2021

NYT: “Because Mr. Biden used executive action, rather than legislation, to forgive the loans, legal challenges are expected. It is unclear, however, who would have the standing to press their case in court. A recent Virginia Law Review article argued that the answer might be no one: States, for example, have little say in the operation of a federal loan system.”

Flashback #2: “People think that the president of the United States has the power for debt forgiveness. He does not. He can postpone, he can delay, but he does not have that power. That has to be an act of Congress.” – Speaker NANCY PELOSI, July 28, 2021

WaPo: “The executive order will probably face legal opposition, said LANAE ERICKSON, who heads social policy at Third Way, a centrist Democratic think tank. She suspects the policy could be challenged on the same grounds as the West Virginia v. Environmental Protection Agency case, in which the Supreme Court ruled the federal government can’t act on policy with broad economic significance without clear congressional authorization. …

“‘Advocates and policymakers who pushed to take this unprecedented step are responsible for also communicating to borrowers that there is a strong chance it will never come to fruition,’ Erickson said. ‘Given that the application may not be available until the end of the year, the strong likelihood is that courts will enjoin this action before it gets started — leaving borrowers in limbo.’”

Flashback #3: “If the issue is litigated, the more persuasive analyses tend to support the conclusion that the Executive Branch likely does not have the unilateral authority to engage in mass student debt cancellation.” – Former Obama Education Department legal counsel CHARLIE ROSE in a private memo obtained by the WSJ earlier this year.

The Biden administration released two memos making their legal case, one from the Department of Education and one from the Department of Justice.

Both of those memos rely on the HEROES Act of 2003.

125 comments:

Michael said...


When it comes to America, I am a short-term pessimist and a long-term optimist. But that short-term may run for another decade.

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Kevin said...

Some top aides also argued that Mr. Biden lacked the legal authority

Didn’t Biden himself argue the President lacked the authority?

If so, that’s quite an omission.

Anonymous J said...

By Memo of course:

You have asked whether the HEROES Act authorizes the Secretary to address the financial hardship arising out of the COVID -19 pandemic by reducing or canceling the principal balances of student loans for a broad class of borrowers. We conclude that the Act grants that authority. The plain text of the HEROES Act authorizes the Secretary to “waive or modify any statutory or regulatory provision applicable to” the federal student loan program, an authority that encompasses provisions applicable to the repayment of the principal balances of loans, provided certain conditions are met. We conclude that targeting relief towards those individuals who suffered financial hardship because of COVID -19 and who otherwise satisfy the requirements of the Act accords with the Act’s requirement that the waiver or modification “be necessary to ensure that” student loan recipients who are “affected” by a national emergency “are not placed in a worse position financially” with respect to their loans as a result. Further, we believe that the Secretary may reasonably conclude that class-wide debt relief in these circumstances is appropriate.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/heres-the-legal-justification-cited-by-biden-administration-attorneys-for-student-loan-debt-forgiveness-plan/

Enigma said...

So, it was gifting Kabuki Theater aimed at uncritical Party true believers and naïve students? They Party insider cynics thought they'd get positive press and warm fuzzy feelings from overburdened parents and young reckless spenders earning useless cultural studies degrees. Then the Party drags out payment until after the election knowing the courts will shoot it down. (Plus, the Party gets another argument against those evil Trump Supreme Court judges!)

The NYT is playing along as a primary yellow journalism source for true believers, and its staff's critical thinking skills have fallen sharply over the last 10 years.

Quoting Lincoln: "You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

tim maguire said...

Elsewhere I’ve read that it comes from the president’s COVID emergency powers (it’s just another stimulus, I suppose). If that sounds like a stretch, well, since nobody can challenge it, who cares?!

The SC’s approach to standing is bullshit and if it turns out they never need to make a case for the power because no one has standing to challenge it, then hopefully the court will hear those alarm bells and clean up their act.

Duke Dan said...

How broken is our system if there is no legal power for the president to do anything and also no one who meets the standing requirement to challenge it. Would that be a constitutional crisis?

Mr Wibble said...

How broken is our system if there is no legal power for the president to do anything and also no one who meets the standing requirement to challenge it. Would that be a constitutional crisis?

Utterly broken. The problem is that Congress wants it that way. They want an executive branch with massive powers, because it removes the need for them to make any tough decisions.

michaele said...

One of these days, my head is just going to roll off onto the floor from all the dismayed shaking I subject it to since Biden started destroying America on Day 1 when he took office. Wasn't one of the provisions to pay for Obamacare the fact that the Federal Gov't took over more of the student loan program and the interest on those loans would help with the health care subsidies? I just don't see how our country survives all this chronic fiscal irresponsibility.

Ann Althouse said...

Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic? Just sending more money out, putting it in places where the President sees fit? Why stop now?

tim in vermont said...

Oh, he's got the power based on some legislation from 9-11-2001, and the pressure is only going to mount to do more.

Dave Begley said...

1. There’s no nexus between the COVID emergency and cancelling student loan debt because 90% of the debt was incurred BEFORE the pandemic.

2. I looked at the VA. L. REV. student note on the standing of the loan servicers. Disagree.

Prediction. NelNet is based in NE. It will file a lawsuit in NE. My old Creighton Law Review friend, Judge Robert E. Rossiter, Jr., will find that there is standing.

Ann Althouse said...

"By Memo of course"

Thanks for the text. Why didn't the NYT see any need to point to it?

MayBee said...

We need to get rid of these emergency powers acts. Across the country and states, they turned us into the subjects of petty tyrants.

In Michigan, we couldn't buy seeds or go to vacation homes or visit elderly loved ones. Two years later, we are seeing this thing with student loans.

Is there anything Emergency Powers can't do? And the January 6 Committee says its worried about our democracy!! Where's the democracy in a prolonged state of Emergency Powers?

Mr Wibble said...

I think that the admin has been resistant to doing this precisely because they know that they risked a backlash, or legal challenges. They wanted Congress to pass something, but Congress refuses to have any skin in the game. This was a desperation move by an admin looking at awful polling numbers. Hence why they imposed limitations on it ($10k, $125k income cap); they wanted the minimum amount of blowback while still appeasing their progressive base. I don't think that it will work.

RideSpaceMountain said...

Someone please tell me how this gets better, not worse, moving forward into the future. Please show me a road map of how continued "arrogation of" evermore power by the executive is checked by what is an evermore feckless partisan legislative branch and an evermore slothful and evermore Brahmin Supreme Court.

Please show me when the other two branches of govt start to claw back their power from the executive and start acting 'checks and balances' instead of just paying lip service to it.

lease explain how this would be done, and preferably how it could be done before one of these kingly edicts starts people shooting at each other.

Enigma said...

@Althouse: "Why stop now?"

Because the impact of rampant spending and anti-work policies led to crippling 9% - 10% inflation within 18 months. Winter is coming. Inflation became the biggest political concern nationally and internationally.

Stopping now would suggest wisdom and "garner" support before the election. But, the zealots are in control and determined to run the airplane into a mountainside. The first step for getting out of a hole is to stop digging.

MayBee said...

Ann Althouse said...
Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic? Just sending more money out, putting it in places where the President sees fit? Why stop now?


Emergency Powers!

But wasn't that an act of Congress?

MayBee said...

But I also ask, how different is it really than telling certain small businesses they couldn't open? People were arrested for trying to run their businesses!

You take a business, you keep someone away from a funeral, you wipe out student loan debt. That's Democracy!!!

tim in vermont said...

I got a stimulus check because they didn't count income from municipal bonds in calculating eligibility. Har har har. Don't worry though, none of it is going to raise the price of homes for these young couples now that they are better able to get mortgages. So it's not like Boomers with real estate are going to be the major beneficiaries, in the long run.

Mike Sylwester said...

When the Republicans get the House majority, they should impeach Biden on at least two issues.

1) Refusal to enforce immigration laws

2) Cancellation of student debt

RideSpaceMountain said...

@althouse

"Why stop now?"

Exactly. Why stop? Who stops you? What stops you? The law!?! When does it stop? How do 'who' and 'what' stop you?

At what point does the Roman senate reclaim its legal authority to stop Caesar? Are knives needed? When would be the American version of the Ides of March be? Is there a point even? Does it matter when Caesars replacement just turns into Augustus v2.0 all over again?

Would you have to stab them all until restraint is regained? I guess we'll find out...

Brian said...

HEROES Act of 2003

We're all hero's now... Well, except for you folks who paid any debts incurred. You're just suckers.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

So, the response to an emergency doesn't have to be a response to the cited emergency?

Why does that sound familiar?

Link to video

The loan forgiveness is like an early October surprise.

What other mutations does the Covid emergency response have in store, before 2024?

Howard said...

When you people win the house, impeach Biden for these high crimes and misdemeanors.

boatbuilder said...

If you want to raise the price of something, subsidize it.

Tim said...

Well, that money they kept printing and putting in all our bank accounts was a bad idea after the first one. The extra 600 weekly they kept adding to unemployment checks was a really bad idea after the first 6 months. And I am not sure any of it was legal. And should not individual members of Congress have the standing to challenge the student debt forgiveness, on the basis that spending authority has to come from Congress?

tim in vermont said...

Between "The Inflation Reduction Proclamation" handing out thousands of dollars to upper income urbanites in the form of "loan forgiveness" and the "Inflation Reduction Act" which dictates industrial policy based on party concerns, and the "Defense Production Act" we have gone a long ways towards economic fascism, and making Biden a kind of dictator. I think that implementing economic fascism has long been seen as a priority of the climate alarmists, where they see pure socialism as out of reach, mostly because they are so dependent on wealthy donors that they have been co-opted.

Using the FBI to go after his political opponents is, of course, another clue.

Mike Sylwester said...

It is unclear, however, who would have the standing to press their case in court.

On some issues, the jurisdiction is not in the court system.

For example, on the issue that the US President must be a natural-born citizen, there is no moment in the election process when the courts can prevent an unqualified person from being elected. Therefore, the jurisdiction is the electorate.

That is why the electorate has to be provided with the Government's best evidence -- for example, the long-form birth certificate -- about a candidate's birth if the issue exists.

Likewise, this debt-cancellation issue might not be within the court system's jurisdiction, since nobody has any standing to sue in the court system.

Therefore, the jurisdiction is the US Congress, which can exercise the remedy of impeaching and removing the US President.

MayBee said...

This just has me so mad-- not only the loan forgiveness, but using the Emergency Powers. It just makes me mad at all the things that were done to us during the pandemic-- for our own safety! And they were all wrong and there's not reckoning. Instead we are just going to forge ahead, pretending the government and scientists know so much about everything. About how Opioids are better than surgery. About how we need to close businesses. About how we need to not pay back debts. About.....climate? Are we really going to watch them do the next big expensive changing of everything (outlaw gas cars by 2035 in California!) because why? They have such a great track record on knowing how to handle things? Because they actually know how to control everything? Because they are so good at science?

Christopher B said...

This is the flip side of people being guilty of committing three felonies a day. There's no need for Congress to pass an Enabling Act, lawyers and judges will just cobble one together from existing legislation.

gilbar said...

so, basically,
the only people with standing is the Majority of the US House ,the deciding court is 2/3rds of the US Senate?

serious Question: Who's the fascist President?

MartyH said...

Either the NYT cannot do math or millions are borrowers will be upset when they see no reduction in their debt.

Three hundred million dollars divided by ten thousand dollars per borrower equals 30,000 borrowers having their debt fully reduced in the first year.

If that really is the case, Biden has stirred up a real hornets nest-pissing off both the fiscally responsible and the student loan borrowers expecting their handout.

My bet is that the NYT cannot do math.

Beasts of England said...

‘Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic?’

Wasn’t that approved by the legislature?

Brian said...

Thanks for the text. Why didn't the NYT see any need to point to it?

Because it smells bad? An act passed in 2003 ostensibly to give the Department of Education flexibility in dealing with student loans of, you know, heroes engaged in war on behalf of the nation during a time of crisis has been extended to some for vote pandering purposes.

Never let a crisis go to waste. We're all heroes now.

Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic?

At least that was passed as legislation. Not executive "act". It was also like, you know, during a pandemic, not after it. It was still stupid, but so was shutting down the country.

I note that this is a "plan" still and hasn't been signed/enacted/directed as of yet. Nobody can go anywhere for their $10k. The White House Fact sheet on the plan states as much: "More information on claiming relief will be available to borrowers in the coming weeks."

I suspect the White House would be happy to have this "plan" thwarted by conservatives in the legislature, or the judiciary. It would give them a target without having to pay for any downside.

They may be trying to be too clever. We'll know soon enough.

Dagwood said...

"Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic? Just sending more money out, putting it in places where the President sees fit? Why stop now?"

Maybe not in terms of what may or may not be done. But many see a difference between giving aid to help pay for the basic needs of those whose businesses and livelihoods you've shut down, and bailing out those who chose to take on additional debt and now find that all those high-paying university diversity jobs for gender studies grads have been filled.

iowan2 said...

37 paragraphs and not a word, about the Speaker of the House saying yesterday, the plan is illegal? Now that Pelosi has said it, will she take action stop to it? Congress has quit legislating decades ago. Now its response to disasters, and reconciliation.

rhhardin said...

Anybody who accepts loan forgiveness must enlist in the armed forces, is how I read it.

mezzrow said...

Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic? Just sending more money out, putting it in places where the President sees fit? Why stop now?

1. Yes, and here's why. Unlike Social Security, which goes to everyone, like those $2000 checks, this is directed to go to OUR PEOPLE (i.e. - those who desire degree certification for life) and not to those who just attack life without that certification. Incidentally, this skews greatly towards women (as I define that term) and the Dem base, as certification is more important for those less equipped to move heavy stuff and face attackers with weapons. Those getting this reward and those in the industry that grants certification are much less able to see this than those who are not. You understand this far better than your peers, AA.

2. MMT in action. The best experts have said this will work and create a better world. Are YOU an expert?

3. Stein's Law. There it is again.

Breezy said...

If the student payments were stopped during Covid, and in actuality are still in effect through end of 2022, how is it now critical to reduce their student loan debt? It doesn’t make sense as an national emergency provision. The Covid provision was the payment moratorium. The debt reduction is not a response to the Covid emergency today, as the pandemic is over.

Also, the Heroes act focused on relief for the 9-11 responders. How can students gain this benefit today without performing some national emergency function?

J Melcher said...

Well, cite Obama's "DACA" as precedent. Or various local district attorney decisions. These "executive" officials have chosen to delay or diminish the law -- not work (with legislatures) to change it. Just pretend the law doesn't exist, and then postpone indefinitely any effort at investigating or punishing violators.

Now instead of crimes, it's merely debt. Don't re-negotiate the debt. Don't reform bankruptcy. Just pretend certain borrowers are worth ignoring. Certain amounts are uncollectable, or would cost more to collect than the collection itself.

A point I think odd. IF federally-secured student loans WERE to be forcibly collected, it would be via the IRS. It would take a bunch more investigations to match income tax returns to student loan records and garnish a bunch of wages. (Is "garnish" the right word? It always brings to mind the idea of laying a sprig of parsley along a main dish. Garnishing wages ... scent the paycheck with fragrent herbs?) ANYHOW, one could argue that the zillion new IRS gun-toting enforcers being on-boarded at the IRS will be used to enforce student loans collections under the new interpretations. All those earning $125,001 dollars per year, and up, had better watch out...

But I have not heard anyone connecting the IRS hiring and Student loan stories. Wnder why?

Harsh Pencil said...

Regarding standing, I'm fond of using an extreme hypothetical. Suppose Biden went full out and simply said "I have no constitutional or statutory authority to do this whatsoever. I absolutely admit that. But, because I feel like it, I am going to order the Treasury to give Ann Althouse $1 million." Is it seriously the case that no one would have standing to sue to stop this? If the only remedy is impeachment and removal, that means a president has the unilateral power of the purse as long as 1/3 of the Senate is loyal to him.

wendybar said...

This man confronting Lizzy Warren (Indian chief) is 100% right, and she should have been ashamed of herself. Why doesn't she give up her $400,000 for teaching 2 courses if she is so upset about how expensive college is, and wanting to give money back. SHE should go first. Every day Progressives make me hate them just a little bit more. They hate us. It is obvious. We are NOTHING but money banks for them to steal from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62i2feu9fxk

wendybar said...

Ann Althouse said...
Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic? Just sending more money out, putting it in places where the President sees fit? Why stop now?

8/25/22, 6:44 AM

and look what it is bringing us to....Stagflation and the ruination of our once great country. China sure is lucky that Joe is giving us away to them every single day cheaply.

wendybar said...

rhhardin said...
Anybody who accepts loan forgiveness must enlist in the armed forces, is how I read it.

8/25/22, 7:38 AM

I am all for that. They should have to pay it back somehow.

PB said...

The Dept of Educ OLC issued an opinion in Jan 2021 that the Sec Ed didn't have this power, seeking to block the ability of the incoming Biden admnistratin to forgive loans. It's interesting to note that it took the Biden administration 19 months to comb through legistlation and law to try and find this power.

Of course, it depends on the definition of "national emergency" and the president has been very public about how the economy has recovered which should argue against the reality of a national emergency still existing, but I guess a national emergency is what the executive deems it to be.

It's pretty amazing what the Democrats have been able to do with a slim majority in the House and a 50-50 Senate. They don't seem to have any desire for bipartisanship. If the Republicans regain majorities and don't respond in kind, they'll only encourage worse behavior from Democrats in the future.

Mazo Jeff said...

Is this "loan forgiveness" taxable income???
What about the Education Tax Credits these "loans" generated??? Are they now to be repaid?
With the American Opportunities Credit, depending on how many years these "loans" were taken, these deadbeats (students) may have received up to $8000 already on "loans" of $10,000!!!!!

D.D. Driver said...

Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic? Just sending more money out, putting it in places where the President sees fit? Why stop now?

Ann. If there is one thing that you must understand: it's totally different when they do it. Because of reasons.

Robert Marshall said...

Isn't it $300 BILLION or more (not million)?

(Billions, millions, whatever!)

TobyTucker said...

Ann Althouse said...
Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic?


There is one slight difference. Congress, with its 'power of the purse', actually authorized those payments. That HEROES Act justification sounds like a real stretch. But (not being a lawyer), that also sounds like it might be legal as well. A matter for the courts, one would think, but the idea that no one would have 'standing' to challenge the action is very troubling.

Martin said...

The President can do anything that he will not be impeached for.
The Democrats will not impeach a Democrat president for any action. ANY ACTION.

Jersey Fled said...

If you're going to rely on "emergency powers" then you're going to have to prove that said emergency exists. And that said actions are clearly appropriate and necessary to address said emergency.

Covid?

A looming recession?

But Joe has said that we are not in a recession and none is forthcoming.

In a related note, State courts have ruled that emergency powers are limited and don't continue forever. Maybe Federal courts will do the same. After all, they have "powers" too.

iowan2 said...

This giving money away my catch on.

Farmers have the ability to generate cash by getting a "loan" on their stored commodity. For corn, its a little less than half market price. For Iowa that would amount to $250k for a 500 acre corn/soy farmer. For reference, that is a small Iowa farmer, Going enterprises are in the 2000 acre range.

Neat trick for the Sec of AG to just forgives those "loans"

AMDG said...

Why deosn’t any taxpayer who has had the burden shifted from borrowers to him/her have standing?

traditionalguy said...

Remember Biden doesn’t pay you $10,000 for your vote. He pays you $10,000 to go away after you vote. The World’s oldest profession.

Owen said...

The best way to corrupt your critics is to stuff their mouths with gold. All the “emergency money” shoved into people’s pockets during Wu Flu was inflationary in a double sense. Not just in an economic sense (by increasing money supply without a commensurate increase in production) but in a moral sense (getting people used to “free money” and willing to abandon any incentive to challenge the legality of such largesse). So there was “moral inflation” as we lost our ability to know how to value money and whether we had earned it and how much it could buy. Which is deeply disabling; because money is how we communicate with each other about what we need and want, what our priorities are, what we think the future holds. Those relief checks tended to infantilize us.

Biden is continuing the process. He is our monarch and we are his subjects. We need not, must not, ask to see the inner workings of royal edicts: they are uttered and then simply exist, instruments of the king’s will. He is our father and we are his children. Do not question his benevolence and wisdom.

God help us all.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Without checking the 38 responses ahead of me, yes I read the rationale on Tuesday. I even mentioned the HEROES Act in one of the Althouse threads about Biden. That post-9/11 law gave the executive branch certain powers during declared emergency periods. Education secretary is empowered to suspend or cancel student loans since the Department became sole lender under Obama. So there’s a legal basis. COVID is the dishonest fig leaf. Biden declared it “over” at the border to cancel Title 42 rules. But he officially extended the “state of emergency” Monday giving him cover to make this huge move within those emergency powers as delegated to Miguel Cardona. Althouse needs a better source than the NYT.

Leland said...

I think Enigma has the sum of this. I think the Biden Administration is trying to thread a needle to buy votes. The notion this won’t impact inflation is a lie. If nothing else, it will inflate the cost of college because people will now think the first $10,000 of college debt is forgivable causing greater demand for that product. Indeed, failure to take advantage of the $10,000 debt forgiveness just makes you a sucker. Who wants to be a sucker?

But runaway inflation will hurt Democrats, so let’s keep the amount small, say $10,000, which is like a year of college education, but more than enough money to cover a trip to the polling place or to fill out a mail-in ballot. The first ounce of crack is free too. It also makes it less significant in value to take to trial. The real gambit though is testing the extent of Presidential power. Weren’t we told, never let an emergency go to waste? Heck, runaway inflation is only a short term Democrat problem for November. Afterwards, runaway inflation might just be an excuse to claim a new emergency.

At the end of the day, this is plain old vote buying. Not only is it not different from handing out $2,000 to workers; it is not different than requiring the purchase of hundreds of millions of vaccine doses from pharmaceutical companies. Both are transfers of wealth from those that don’t vote Democrat to those that do, in an emergency! The difference here is they picked a subject and principle that should rile up voters that earn their living. Just remember, the tipping point really isn’t now. The tipping point came when fewer than half of Americans pay taxes. When that happened, Democrats found a perpetual way to stay in power: take from the minority of taxpayers and give to the majority that don’t pay taxes. Oh by the way, it is also why there will be 87,000 more IRS agents after October.

If you want to stop this, fight it in debate with better arguments made to the right people. Getting a hair cut? Thank the barber for paying off college loans. Getting an oil change, let that automotive tech know you appreciate their tax dollars covering a liberal arts degree. Let the lawn guy know that not only did he help pay the loans of the guy next door, but next year an IRS agent will ask them why they claimed their truck as a business expense.

Sebastian said...

"[I]n a legal opinion released Wednesday, the Justice Department said that the HEROES Act of 2003 gives the administration “sweeping authority” to reduce or eliminate student debt during a national emergency"

So "none" is correct after all.

Anyway, what difference, at this point, does it make? People like having access to other people's money. Dems like bribing voters with other people's money. Nice women can't get themselves to vote GOP consistently. So here we are.

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cassandra lite said...

"according to people familiar with [Biden's] thinking" is the most unintentionally hilarious, and painful, phrase of the year.

Here, in toto, is the president's "thinking": .

wendybar said...

Just to be fair...those who paid off their loans or went to a trade school should be able to deduct $10,000 to $20,000 off of their taxes this year. Fair is fair. Make it fair to EVERYBODY.

Ann Althouse said...

"million" was my mistake, typing, not the nyt

fixed

thanks for the heads-up.

Gusty Winds said...

[I]n a legal opinion released Wednesday, the Justice Department said that the HEROES Act of 2003 gives the administration “sweeping authority” to reduce or eliminate student debt during a national emergency, "when significant actions with potentially far-reaching consequences are often required.”

They are using COVID as the "national emergency". What a convenient little politically powerful virus.

You can use COVID it to justify ignoring voting laws so you can commit election fraud.
You can use COVID to force gov't spending and massive inflation to increase gov't revenue.
You can use COVID to use the earth's population as laboratory rats for dangerous mRNA "vaccines".
You can use COVID to grab control over peoples live which you will never relinquish.
You can use COVID to eliminate peoples freedom, which you thought they had too much of anyway.

And holy shit, you can use COVID to reward your liberal supporters at colleges and universities by "forgiving" student debt they drove up in the first place...just so they can run the grift again.

Makes you wonder if it was released from that lab on purpose, doesn't it??

Ann Althouse said...

much is cut and pasted, but sometimes I revert to old-school typing... and the typos are mine

Randomizer said...

How does paying off some student loans work with the politics of envy?

How many voters paid off their student loans, chose a cheaper college to avoid student loans, busted ass in high school to get scholarships, relied on the GI Bill or worked while attending college part-time? I know several teachers who taught several years in less desirable urban districts to get their student loans forgiven.

If Republicans aren't too dumb to make the case, there will be more voters who feel like dupes, than there are beneficiaries of this program.

Dave Begley said...

Great comment at 7:11 by MayBee.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

"$300 million or more."

CNBC reports it will cost $364 billion, which would be a little over 20% of the $175 trillion in outstanding student loan debt.

The Virginia Law Review student note looks at standing for a number of potential litigants - taxpayers, former borrowers, Congress, state governments, and loan servicers - but not what I see as the most obvious one. That is, could a future President collect student loan debt forgiven by the Biden administration?

Is the Republican Party or Donald Trump willing to fight on that hill? The Biden administration says 45 million Americans will benefit, the majority of whom have two parents, and some percentage of those students and parents will be Republican voters. They will probably try to pick up votes by complaining about it and not doing anything about it.

Earnest Prole said...

Good question, professor, and exactly the right answer: Biden is claiming he has vast unilateral emergency powers. It’s the same power Trump claimed when he diverted billions of dollars Congress had allocated elsewhere to build his border wall. The Supreme Court upheld that 5-4. Sadly I lack the energy to go back and see how consistent your commenters are in answering this question.

wendybar said...

Student debt forgiveness is personal for the Biden administration. About one in five of the White House aides required to file a financial disclosure, as Bloomberg News previously noted, reported owing student debt. Collectively, those 30 senior White House staffers owe as much as $4.7 million. Those personal finances are not unusual in the nation’s capital.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/08/25/_biden_student_loan_amnesty_a_windfall_for_dc_staffers_148099.html

Gusty Winds said...

Is there ANYONE employed by a University or College in America that sees the liberal colligate system's full culpability in ALL of this debt? Is any tenured PHD or high salaried administrator able to admit that to themselves? Or does being liberal prevent that type of self-awareness?

It will only take four years for this $300 Billion debt transfer to get back to the current 1.75 trillion currently on the books.

Is ANYBODY at a University proposing changing ANYTHING to control costs, or is the fruit just that tasty no one wants to give it up?

STOP PAYING THE LOANS KIDS Bankrupt the system.

Drago said...

Howard: "When you people win the house, impeach Biden for these high crimes and misdemeanors."

We are not limited to these few things to impeach Biden over.

The New Soviet Democraticals have established the new precedent of impeaching presidents for completely made up non-crimes.

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RNB said...

I have a memory of a reporter asking Nancy Pelosi, during the run-up to the passage of ObamaCare, what the constitutional authority was for passing such legislation. She laughed at him.

If you want a vision of the last days of the United States, there it is: Nancy Pelosi laughing, again and again and again...

Leland said...

If Republicans aren't too dumb to make the case, there will be more voters who feel like dupes, than there are beneficiaries of this program.

That’s my fear. This should be easy to explain to voters how Biden and Democrats are out of control with spending and vote buying, and how it is screwing everyday Americans that are trying to do the right thing. So far, only Pelosi seems to have pointed out this was a bridge far beyond too far.

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Andy said...

On the issue standing, I think that whether by statute or if need be constitutional amendment, a change must be made that if a judge rejects a suit due to standing that they be required to outline some broad group people who do have standing, who would have an interest in bringing the same suit. The ruling would be binding nationally in that another judge could expand the group who has standing but not contact it.

Kevin said...

Why stop now?

Why stop ever? Isn't that the real problem with the Progressive movement? There is literally no stopping point, or the Party collapses for lack of forward movement.

It is a party without equilibrium.

A cancer that can only "win" by killing the host.

D.D. Driver said...

They are using COVID as the "national emergency". What a convenient little politically powerful virus.

But didn't Trump also use COVID to expel asylum seekers. Seems like COVID is just an excuse for whoever is in power to do whatever they want to do.

Andy said...

My expectation is if not this year but certainly by 2024, any Democrat who has ever wondered what it was like to be a Republican in 1932 is going to find out.

wendybar said...

Imagine paying off the student loans for the very same people who have called you NAZI for the last 6 years.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Can't really blame Biden for this. He's the fallguy/stooge. This is Obama's crew. The Democrat Vulcan says "Live Long and Suffer". Wait till the bills come due Class of 22.

Duty of Inquiry said...

Emergency powers should only last 60 days. After that the legislature needs to be involved.

A cautionary tale.

The Death of Democracy: Hitler's Rise to Power and the Downfall of the Weimar Republic
By Benjamin Carter Hett

"The following morning, seizing the emergency, the cabinet passed and Hindenburg signed an executive order known formally as the Decree of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State, and informally as the Reichstag Fire Decree. This decree tore the heart out of the democratic constitution of the Weimar Republic, cancelling at a stroke freedom of speech and assembly, the confidentiality of post and telegraphic communication, and freedom from arbitrary searches, arrest, and detention. The second paragraph of the decree allowed the central government to remove any state government from office—as in the Prussian coup of the previous year, an effective way to eliminate opposition."

"The Reichstag Fire Decree became the legal foundation for Hitler’s twelve-year dictatorship. Some scholars have called it the constitution of Hitler’s Reich."

ccscientist said...

A dictator blatantly buying votes. More inflation is NOT what I need right now.

ccscientist said...

This is the kind of thing that the courts are fond of saying you can't sue because you "lack standing" which means you can't show direct harm to yourself. This is a flaw in the legal process. If the president or government does something illegal anyone should be able to sue.

FleetUSA said...

Another example (to paraphrase): The Swamp tends to corrupt and corrupts absolutely.

Lord Acton: “All power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

BUMBLE BEE said...

So... The Obama = Manchurian Candidate was a "Conspiracy Theory".

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Again:

PELOSI IN APRIL: "People think that the President of the United States has the power for debt forgiveness. He does not."

PELOSI TODAY: Biden's move to cancel student debt "is a strong step in Democrats' fight to expand access to higher education."

Godot said...

What guarantee is there that the money will only be used to pay down the debt?
Asking for a friend.

Earnest Prole said...

If you enjoy the sensation of deja-vu whiplash, google “Trump Declares a National Emergency and Provokes a Constitutional Clash” or something similar.

MayBee said...

Thank you, Dave Begley.

MayBee said...

Seems like COVID is just an excuse for whoever is in power to do whatever they want to do.

Bingo.

MadisonMan said...

I've long maintained that any law with a cutesy acronym name: USA PATRIOT, HEROES, and on, and on, should be voted against on principle. Given that this poor choice of Biden's rests on the HEROES act, I'm not changing my mind.

M Jordan said...

Ann Althouse said...
Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic? Just sending more money out, putting it in places where the President sees fit? Why stop now?


Seriously? You don't see a difference between an across-the-board giveaway and a middle to upperclass giveaway? Tell that to my factory-working neighbor Chad.

AZ Bob said...

We don't need no stinking badges!

Ralph L said...

This was always the plan when BO federalized the student loan program a decade ago. When it can help them in an election, a Dem Prez can write down their voters' debts. Keeps academia happy, too. Future students will be less worried they're overpaying. The solution that won't ever pass Congress is to make universities loan and collect the money. But it will happen anyway when the Fed Govt goes bust.

Tom T. said...

My recollection is that when it ended the title 42 pandemic-related restrictions upon border crossing, the Biden administration took the position that the COVID national emergency was over.

Mark said...

Like EVERYTHING else Biden has done, the process STARTED with Biden saying, "I'm doing X."

Then he told people to go find or manufacture some peg upon which he could claim authority, no matter how specious or dishonest.

Mark said...

who would have the standing to press their case in court

Biden has an obligation to be a good steward of the national wealth, including collection of debts owed to the federal government. It is a solemn fiduciary duty. This is not HIS money to play around with.

Any person has standing to bring a qui tam action against Biden for his flagrant lawlessness that is defrauding the United States of money owed to it.

Mark said...

Re: Heroes Act

Once again the Biden Regime is taking some whisper of a thin reed and claiming it is a towering tree of authority.

As another example, I just read about the HHS mandate that emergency rooms do abortions in states where it is illegal. In issuing that mandate, HHS is relying on a must-treat federal law. A law that also expressly requires emergency rooms to provide for the health and safety of unborn children. In other words, the Biden Regime is using a law that requires protection of unborn babies to require the abortion and death of those same babies.

The Biden way -- for his entire career, actually -- is to simply make shit up.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic? Just sending more money out, putting it in places where the President sees fit? Why stop now?”

I think that maybe the magnitude combined with the attenuated justification for the Declaration of an Emergency. There is, of course, no reason to have extended the “Emergency” except for the power that comes with it. Very few unvaxed people are getting the virus for the most part, and despite the best efforts of the Dem politicians to force vaccinations, we have about as good natural immunity as we could expect with such non sterilizing vaccines (at this point, it very much looks that the vaccinations are what is driving most of the reinfections by depleting the immune systems of those getting injected with the 2nd and subsequent jabs, by flooding bodies with large doses of what the bodies had learned were pathogens on the first jab). So - whatever minuscule emergency they may actually be facing is a direct result of previous and current continuing screwups on the part of the Administration. To shorten it - the debt write off is apparently justified by the negative side effects of shoveling large piles of money to Pfizer and Moderna for their faulty vaccines, making a lot of money for their stockholders.

The problem I see is that the House has to initiate, the Senate has to confirm, and the President has to approve, allocations of money, and this is a hugely inflationary ¹/₃ $Trillion$, at a minimum, maybe much more, of public spending with very attenuated authorization from Congress (and no attempt whatsoever at funding it). Does the President have that much spending power on his own? This single handedly destroys the deficit and inflation fighting justification for the recently enacted Inflation fighting bill (which was based, of course, on long and well debunked economics - but that is another story). It’s one thing when the President tweaks spending a $Billion$ or so at a time. This is, literally, far worse by (2-3) orders of magnitude.

I should note that 50 or so years ago, Nixon was slapped down by the courts for not spending a small amount of money allocated by Congress that he attempted to impound. This is arguably 2-3 orders of magnitude more egregious.


Indigo Red said...

“Today we really proved that socialism wins." ~ Kristen Gonzalez

DINKY DAU 45 said...

Hey just add it to the PPP scam that all the Congress people reaped and had their debt forgiven (you can google all the names and see that world class RIP) and who knows what they paid off. Student debt forgiveness not even close to that scam. I know ,have Mexico pay for it! See how well that worked last round. Just another thing to whine about :(

Joe Smith said...

The court rejected Gov. Abbott's lawsuit.

They said he didn't have standing.

I'll be here all week...

Michael K said...

I think this will be discovered to be unconstitutional AFTER the November election. Another successful Democrat scam.

Buckwheathikes said...

If you know that nobody is going to arrest you, you can steal all the taxpayer dollars you want.

Biden knows.

tommyesq said...

Ann Althouse said...
Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic? Just sending more money out, putting it in places where the President sees fit? Why stop now?

Seriously? You don't see a difference between an across-the-board giveaway and a middle to upperclass giveaway? Tell that to my factory-working neighbor Chad.


I'm not sure that Ann's point was that the targets of the funds were the same, but that the lack of Constitutional/statutory basis is the same. Perhaps also a dig at those complaining about this new deal while gleefully pocketing the money from the Covid deal.

Static Ping said...

The issue of standing should be moot. The founders expected that Congress would be jealous of its powers. If the President tried to usurp powers that belonged to Congress, then Congress would act to stop it. This assumption was so strong that even if Congress politically aligned with the President, they would still not tolerate it.

Unfortunately, Congress has abandoned its role in the government. It is too much work, plus they prefer to get what they want by any means necessary.

They keep talking about civil war. The thing is if you undermine the justifications of the government, then there is no philosophical reason to honor it as legitimate. The government simply exists by inertia and force, both of which can be overcome.

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Greg The Class Traitor said...

[I]n a legal opinion released Wednesday, the Justice Department said that the HEROES Act of 2003 gives the administration “sweeping authority” to reduce or eliminate student debt during a national emergency, "when significant actions with potentially far-reaching consequences are often required.”

Except the law was passed 19 years ago, and has never been used this way.
It has been used to let people not make payments for a while, but it's never been used to decrease borrower's principle owed.
So 5-4 SCOTUS blocks just on those grounds

Its success could depend on how courts would interpret the education secretary’s powers under the 1965 Higher Education Act, which allows the secretary to ‘consent to modification’ of loans, and ‘compromise, waive, or release’ unspecified amounts of student debt.

Again, when has it ever been used this way before? It was passed almost 60 years agora nd never used this way?
Than again, no dice. 5-4 or 6-3, depending on how much of a pussy Roberts wants to be

Joe Smith said...

'Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic?'

Speak for yourself.

I don't remember getting any money in my account, even though I pay a ton of taxes...

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Ann Althouse said...
Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic? Just sending more money out, putting it in places where the President sees fit? Why stop now?

1: IIRC, that money was actually appropriated by Congress. Which makes it entirely different than this money which was NOT appropriated by Congress

2: That money went out to people as recompense for the gov't lockdowns that took away their ability to work and make money. And it went to everyone, not to select few.

So, other than it's completely different, I guess it's entirely the same

Greg The Class Traitor said...

D.D. Driver said...
> They are using COVID as the "national emergency". What a convenient little politically powerful virus.

But didn't Trump also use COVID to expel asylum seekers. Seems like COVID is just an excuse for whoever is in power to do whatever they want to do.


You really are pathetic.

At the time of a worldwide pandemic, the US President used the existence of that pandemic to keep out non-Americans who could easily have brought the national emergency causing disease into the US.

That's known as having a "significant nexus" between the problem, and the actions taken.

it's also just what you do if you're not a complete fucking idiot, and dont' want to kill American citizens

So which part of that describes you, DD?

Jupiter said...

Now do car loans. Then mortgages. Then alimony. Then ...

JaimeRoberto said...

Doing this sort of thing via executive action and then claiming nobody has standing to challenge it (or allowing a challenge that will come far after the debt has been forgiven) seems rather corrosive to "Our Democracy".

Fred Drinkwater said...

Biden's authority was defined and asserted by Nixon, a long time ago.
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal."

Fred Drinkwater said...

It's all George Washington's fault. If he had simply consented to being King, then all these pesky "authority" and "powers" questions would be moot.

DINKY DAU 45 said...

The Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) gave and forgave loans to 13 Republican members of Congress and Democrats also, Ron Wyden etc. The GOP also happens to be largely against student loan forgiveness. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky called Biden’s forgiveness plan “a slap in the face to working Americans.”

Which members of Congress received PPP loan forgiveness? It isn't just Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia). Here’s the rundown.

Marjorie Taylor Greene was one of 13 Republican Congress members who had PPP loans forgiven

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia) $180,000

M T Greene is one of 13 Republican members of Congress who owns or partially owns a business that received a PPP loan that the Small Business Administration (SBA) ultimately forgave. Greene’s loan was reportedly worth $180,000.

The announcement comes after the House Judiciary GOP tweeted in response to Biden’s student loan forgiveness plan, “If you take out a loan, you pay it back. Period.”

While the GOP will likely challenge Biden’s student loan forgiveness plan in court, the juxtaposition remains. Other Republican members of Congress who fall in this camp include:

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Florida) with a $476,000 loan

Rep. Greg Pence (R-Indiana) for $79,441

Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Florida) for $2.8 million

Rep. Kevin Hern (R-Oklahoma) for $1.07 million

Rep. Roger Williams (R-Texas) for $1.43 million

Rep. Brett Guthrie (R-Kentucky) for $4.3 million

Rep. Ralph Norman (R-South Carolina) for $306,520

Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pennsylvania) for $974,100

Rep. Vicki Hartzler (R-Missouri) for $451,200

Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-Oklahoma) for $988,700

Rep. Carol Miller (R-West Virginia) for $3.1 million. Democrats' names can also be Googled. Didn't see much whining about that giant rip-off. Selective righteous indignation it seems up in here. Debt loan forgiveness takes a 2nd seat compared to this giant rip off, how many zillions still unaccounted for? Beaucoup Dinky Dau!

Michael K said...

Dinky D has a long list of Republicans with forgiven loans. I don't think Dinky D understands that many of us think the GOP is as crooked as the Dims.

I'd rather know how the Pelosis acquired their $300 million. I'd also like to know who the woman was in the Porsche with Paul when he was driving drunk. What a mystery !

Yancey Ward said...

Congress will have to appropriate the money to cover these loan forgiveness programs, or the Constitution really is a dead document. Biden is spending money on this that no Congress has approved. If this is allowed to stand without either a bill from Congress covering it, or a federal court vacating Biden's E.O., then a President has unlimited power of the purse and Congress isn't needed for anything.

Yancey Ward said...

"Didn't see much whining about that giant rip-off. Selective righteous indignation it seems up in here."

That is because you are liar and an idiot. I whined about the PPP program at the time, and am stilling whining about it. Dinky Dick, if you want some respect, list the Democrats, too, not just the Republicans. Pigs of all parties were at that trough, and I bet the Democrats in Congress did as good or even a better job sucking up the money since it was their program right out of the House of Representatives.

And your comments imply the loan forgiveness provision was some sort of give-away after the fact- the initial act itself explicitly made forgiveness of the loan all but certain- all one had to do was use the money to keep ones businesses afloat during the idiotic shutdowns. Now, if you have evidence the funds were simply pocketed, by all means, speak up with some links, but unless these Congresscritters were colossally stupid (not impossible) the funds were used to pay salaries of workers who locked out of their jobs, and to pay the bills that were still due even if the businesses themselves couldn't be open and operated.

walter said...

"Ann Althouse said...
Is it really any different from that $2000 the government kept putting in our bank accounts during the pandemic? Just sending more money out, putting it in places where the President sees fit? Why stop now?"
Skipping the whole more wrongs are A-ok bit, the institution likes/won't distinguish between reckless acrosss the board benny vs this highly targeted benny.
Maybe it should be extracted from career college faculty.
https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/08/robbing-the-poor-to-pay-the-rich/'
"The Federal Reserve estimates that across the income spectrum, President Biden’s plan will lead to more than 31 percent of all borrowers (approximately 12 million in total) having their entire student loan debt eliminated; roughly $321 billion forgiven in an instant.
With inflation already at a year-over-year rate of 8.5 percent, this would be disastrous."

Kirk Parker said...

MadMan @ 10:00am:

There's actually a law about that, named (curiously) Kirk's Law:

"Any law named after victim, or whose title spells a cutesy acronym, is certain to be a bad law."

For an example, you need look no further than the PATRIOT Act.

DINKY DAU 45 said...

try this again for folks who can't read Yancey, Mike see where it says democrats also google them Ron Wyden for example. Who's the group whining about the Loans to students' forgiveness? Right wingers and a few Lefties. Yancey has to call names the original sign of nothing in the tank. When a nerve is struck just call it's a trump characteristic) Now don't let me rent free space in your head. And a liar because Yancey was upset about PPP I said didn't see MUCH and I don't consider 1 guy as MUCH. Whose challenging in court? Read fellas with comprehension.

The Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) gave and forgave loans to 13 Republican members of Congress and Democrats also, Ron Wyden etc. The GOP also happens to be largely against student loan forgiveness. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky called Biden’s forgiveness plan “a slap in the face to working Americans.”

Which members of Congress received PPP loan forgiveness? It isn't just Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia). Here’s the rundown.

Marjorie Taylor Greene was one of 13 Republican Congress members who had PPP loans forgiven

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia) $180,000

M T Greene is one of 13 Republican members of Congress who owns or partially owns a business that received a PPP loan that the Small Business Administration (SBA) ultimately forgave. Greene’s loan was reportedly worth $180,000.

The announcement comes after the House Judiciary GOP tweeted in response to Biden’s student loan forgiveness plan, “If you take out a loan, you pay it back. Period.”

While the GOP will likely challenge Biden’s student loan forgiveness plan in court, the juxtaposition remains. Other Republican members of Congress who fall in this camp include:

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Florida) with a $476,000 loan

Rep. Greg Pence (R-Indiana) for $79,441

Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Florida) for $2.8 million

Rep. Kevin Hern (R-Oklahoma) for $1.07 million

Rep. Roger Williams (R-Texas) for $1.43 million

Rep. Brett Guthrie (R-Kentucky) for $4.3 million

Rep. Ralph Norman (R-South Carolina) for $306,520

Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pennsylvania) for $974,100

Rep. Vicki Hartzler (R-Missouri) for $451,200

Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-Oklahoma) for $988,700

Rep. Carol Miller (R-West Virginia) for $3.1 million. Democrats' names can also be Googled. Didn't see much whining about that giant rip-off. Selective righteous indignation it seems up in here. Debt loan forgiveness takes a 2nd seat compared to this giant rip off, how many zillions still unaccounted for? Beaucoup Dinky Dau!

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Blogger Michael K said...
Dinky D has a long list of Republicans with forgiven loans. I don't think Dinky D understands that many of us think the GOP is as crooked as the Dims.

I'd rather know how the Pelosis acquired their $300 million. I'd also lik

Greg The Class Traitor said...

DINKY DAU 45 said...
The Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) gave and forgave loans

The PPP was explicitly set up with rules that said "here's money. If you do this, you don't have to pay it back"

Now, want to show us those rules in student loans? What's that, the student loans don't say that?

Gosh, I guess that'a a rather big difference, not isn't it!

Dear lefties: it is really kind of you to make such shit arguments that it's impossible for any honest person to be on your side

Thank you

devils advocate said...

You beat the Conspiracy (Volokh) to the question but other than hints I'm not sure i've seen your answer.

Adler has a decent piece on the major questions doctrine:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4179468

obviously through the lens of his particular interest in West Virginia v EPA but I think the points are the generic tension of the Major Questions Doctrine with Textualism.

It seems to me that the court has compromised on the non-delegation issue by striking this major questions middle ground which is more readily digestible and accessible in public discourse(if of course criticized by partisans of the losing substantive argument in any case).

It just is not as difficult to argue that a law passed to cure what were seen as directly harmful and unnatural pollutants was meant to encompass turning our economy upside down for an human emission that corresponds to natural components of the environment. After all, combustion also emits a lot of water, but unless the dihydrogen oxide abatement effort is ramped up, it is hard to imagine the regulation of water vapor (although maybe I underestimate the EPA).

Whereas to instead suggest that the statute was without an intelligible principle is a heavier lift for public discourse. Indeed, explaining the hostility to straight killing by Jewish butchers and the court's solicitousness of their plight before the switch in time but by a mechanism that theoretically has, nonetheless, never been switched off is indeed a rougher if more defensible path, especially in the face of textualisms important contributions. (Maybe the non-delectation doctrine is more like ultraviolet so no one noticed the switch is still on after 85 years.