"I stand in solidarity with Neil Young and the global scientific and medical communities on this issue."
Said a statement at the website of Joni Mitchell, quoted in "Joni Mitchell pulls music from Spotify, saying she stands with Neil Young in covid protest" (WaPo).
Spotify did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Washington Post but in a statement a Spotify spokesperson told The Post earlier this week regarding Young: "We want all the world’s music and audio content to be available to Spotify users. With that comes great responsibility in balancing both safety for listeners and freedom for creators. We have detailed content policies in place and we’ve removed over 20,000 podcast episodes related to covid-19 since the start of the pandemic."
Neil is a big loss, and Joni is an even bigger loss — much bigger — for us Spotify users. To boycott for censorship — to withhold yourself to gain withholding from others — it's a nasty business. Once you get started, where do you end? Freedom of speech is the better choice, perhaps more understandable to Americans than Canadians, but Americans have been losing our grip on the concept in recent years.
Did Joni make this decision personally? Is she really doing this sort of thing these days? I remember when she was so busy being free.
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*whew*
Joni who?
Oh, that crone.
Althouse says it's a big loss. To who? People whose musical tastes haven't matured in more than half a century. If you ask me the big loss is 50 years of consuming the same musical junk food. It's like dining day in day out at Chuck E. Cheese when you can easily afford Sardi's.
Neil Young has THE UGLIEST chin waddle since Lon Chaney, Junior. He looks like he's spent the last 50 years swallowing polo balls. As for Joni, in the bloom of her maidenhood, she had a pronounced cuteness deficit compared to that Meredith sophomore I took to Pig Night at the Kappa Sig house. By now she must have nearly completed her plummet from the peak of Mount Hideous.
Exactly which speech is "misinformation"? Fauci and the CDC have contradicted themselves so many times that anything you say both is and is not in agreement with them. There are rigorous studies showing that masks don't do much, but these censors want that censored. BLM and democrat rallies were ok in 2020 but repub rallies were the end of the world. The whole concept of misinformation or disinformation is complete BS. It is ok to believe that the earth is flat or the moon landing fake, but not ok to question the need for a vaccine? The CDC and media are treating covid as if it was smallpox or the black death--it is not.
I am listening to Neil Young tonight. I think what he did with Spotify is abhorrent, but I perfectly willing to live in a world and interact with people I don't agree with.
Freedom of association got wiped out in a mistake in civil rights law. It ought to be freedom of association except in monopoly markets, whether monopoly de facto or de jure. If there's another cake shop, go there instead. Unless both cake shops are being intimidated into not serving you, then it's monopoly again. The shops welcome being required to serve you, in that case, because the enforcers are powerless in the matter.
Richard Epstein's argument.
Canucks in lockstep. Robbie Robertson next?
my granddaughter listens to music via spotify.
So how many kids listen to sixties music?
as for me: these anti Viet Nam war singers never got their knickers in a knot that they helped the genocides of SEAsia caused by the US withdrawal from that area. Indeed since the victims were anti communists or Chinese ethnics, they didn't care about them.
Iman at 4:07 has won the internet.
A chain smoker concerned about our respiratory health. Precious.
Drink up now, Joni. It's gettin' on time to close.
As Althouse might say: don't put your wallet in your mouth ;)
But, if you do: please feel free to use the ‘House portal;0)
word on the street is that David Crosby wanted to do this also but couldn't remember his name
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Breaking:
Bernie Sanders has threatened to pull his 1987 folk album "We Shall Overcome" from Spotify if they don't cancel Joe Rogan. This could be the tipping point.
Meade writes, "Has [Joni Mitchell] tried Ivermectin?"
Evidently not.
Note that the link goes to lymedisease.org, another haven of hypochondriac females who carelessly drain their husbands' back accounts being "treated" by mountebanks.
"word on the street is that David Crosby wanted to do this also but couldn't remember his name"
We can be sure Eric Clapton won't be joining this "convoy", if that's what it becomes. And I'll bet there are a bunch of musical mandate skeptics out there who just fly below the radar.
MY GOD NOT JONI MITCHELL!!!!
Its the night of the living dead...
Which irrelevant has-been will attack next? Donovan? Gordon Lightfoot? The Doodletown Pipers?
Whoever owns Neil Young's catalog should sue him.
The Doodletown Pipers?
That's fake, isn't it -- just something made up by The Simpsons staff writers? Because if they're real The Simpsons, Family Guy, and South Park ought to just fold up their tents and go into the documentary business.
https://www.takimag.com/article/the-week-that-perished-175
The irony about Young’s “protest” is that Young himself has a history of spreading medical disinfo. In the 1980s, he went on a bizarre crusade against gays working in public places, because he thought you could get AIDS by touching something a gay person had touched.
“You go to the supermarket and you see a faggot behind the fucking cash register, you don’t want him to handle your potatoes.”
That’s an actual Quote:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2003/sep/17/popandrock.neilyoung
Young was also a booster of Charles Manson, recommending the cult leader to music-industry execs. He even bought the dude a motorcycle! Manson called Young the only person who ever truly believed in him, Sunday, January 30 2022, 3:10 PM
Young was also a booster of Charles Manson, recommending the cult leader to music-industry execs. He even bought the dude a motorcycle! Manson called Young the only person who ever truly believed in him
https://thebrag.com/charles-manson-and-neil-young-manson
SOUNDS LIKE NEIL YOUNG SHOW MIGHT BE MORE INTERESTING THAN ROGAN!!!!
Althouse: There seem to be a lot of people who only know two — and it's the same two — Joni Mitchell songs.
Well, yeah. One for each good melody she wrote.
I am not familiar with Spotify : last I heard Spotify paid Joe Rogan $100+ zillions
did Neil Young and Joni Mitchell get paid too and do they have to give it back?
if not what is the big fuss about?
John Althouse Cohen What if they just don't want to be associated with Spotify because they don't like the company's standards? Isn't that freedom?
That's not what Neil Young did. Neil Young made a concerted effort to get someone else kicked off the platform, and to prevent millions of Spotify users from hearing someone else's podcasts.
Neil Young not only tried to silence a point of view he didn't like... he also attempted to interfere with OTHER peoples' freedom of association.
And fuck over however many fans he has who use Spotify, who were just minding their own business to begin with.
Meade said...
“ Neither Neil Young nor Joni Mitchell is a baby boomer.”
Good point. Theirs is known as the Silent Generation.
Gosh, us folks born between 1928 and 1945 are so quiet that we forgot to tell one another that we are "silent." I have been called lots of names and I get cursed on here often but shushing others is something I have never rightfully been accused of doing. As a group, my generation founded Rock 'n Roll in the fifties but my (now defunct) record collection included almost no hippy folk singers of the late sixties.
This is how Canada deals with protests:
The Province today, January 28, issued a directive under the Emergency Management Act prohibiting protesters from blockading Highway 104 near the Nova Scotia-New Brunswick border.
The directive also applies to people who stop or gather alongside Highway 104, the Nova Scotia-New Brunswick border, or at the Cobequid Pass toll area in support of the 2022 Freedom Convoy, the Atlantic Hold the Line event, or others organized to interfere with traffic. Allowing people to gather in those areas would put themselves and others at risk.
Individuals and corporations could be fined for failing to comply with the directive. Individuals or other entities who finance, organize, aid or encourage blocking the highway could also be fined.
The directive will remain in place for the duration of the provincial state of emergency.
On the other hand, BLM and Antifa protests endangered nobody.
A couple of comments about her varied and complex musical career, since some folks seem unusualy proud of their complete lack of knowledge about it, especially her jazz-rock period of the mid- and late-70s, which is widely respected among musicians and fans with more eclectic tastes.
Music is all about personal taste, of course — but dismissing her as a no-talent hack based on folk tunes like “Both Sides Now” or silly pop tunes like “Big Yellow Taxi” says more about you than about her. Her first several albums were very folkie oriented, but she made a major switch in 1973-4, starting a new band much more focused on jazz-influenced pop and rock, making music both tuneful and complex and challenging. The first album with this new approach was “Court and Spark”, an instant classic and her most “accessible” album overall. Most artists would kill to make an album half that great just once in their careers.
“Hejira” (1976) is also very good, slightly more “out there” musically and a little heavier on the jazz side, but the one essential track is “Coyote” which is just an amazing song with great musicianship.
A single of hers from 1975 that I remember hearing on FM AOR radio at age 16 — and it sounded like nothing I’d ever heard — is “In France They Kiss on Main Street”. Still sounds great 47 years later. Worth a listen.
The point is, if you’e never heard any of this music, you don’t really know anything about her. Open your mind and your ears and try some of the above, and keep in mind that *all* musicians respect her a great deal as an adventurous and creative talent, who invented a sound all her own and pushed boundaries.
And now Nils Lofgren! David Crosby wanted to join the boycott but he couldn't remember his name.
I just checked. Both Joni and Neil remain on Spotify.
A cynic might think they will leave them up to milk the (temporary) publicity THEN pull the songs after the hub bub dies down.
I only use Spotify for Joe Rogan. I get music elsewhere. How does this affect me? Not at all.
Their minds are filled with big ideas, images and distorted facts.
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