Some great photos at the link, especially the one of the Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna. She's the mother of the groom, Grand Duke George Mikhailovich Romanov, the great-grandnephew of the last czar, Nicholas II.
From the groom: "My first language was Russian even though I was born in Spain and raised in France. My grandparents raised me on Russian history and culture and poetry. It's always been in my soul."
If there were to be a restoration, would George Mikhailovich Romanov be the czar? He says so, but Anton Bakov, head of the Russian Monarchy party, purports to know the technical rules and says it's somebody else.
From an onlooker, Viktor, in the crowd outside the church: "Without an emperor, Russia can't exist. Russia needs a czar, not a Soviet premier or a president."
From Viktor's wife: "We always knew the Romanovs would return. We've waited and now it's finally happened."
Another man, Oleg, said: "We already have Mr. Putin. I'm not sure he needs the Romanovs."
NPR gives the last word to the nationalist philosopher: "It's very unlikely that George Romanov would play some political role in the future of Russia, but who knows? But we cannot say never. Never is not Russian."
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Russia is falling back to symbols.
I wonder if they are planning on taking shots at Markle and Harry.
They should have a pageant for who gets to be queen.
Trump should of course be the head judge.
What a great quote: "Never is not Russian."
Come see the romanticism of the Romanovs leading the Russians as we regale in remembrance of royalty rule.
How the proles feel and act about the return of Russian royalty is my question. Will they accept the return of the Romanov’s? Is this merely symbolic to the proles? Will this engender more or less Russian unity? Lastly, how will Putin take advantage of this event?
Does Russia still have official "royalty", with any sort of legal status? This wiki article makes it sound like these dukes and duchesses are similar to little girls playing at being princesses:
George was given the title Grand Duke of Russia by his maternal grandfather,[6] prompting Prince Vasili Alexandrovich, then president of the Romanov Family Association, to respond in writing that "The Romanov Family Association hereby declares that the joyful event in the Prussian Royal House does not concern the Romanov Family Association since the newborn prince is not a member of either the Russian Imperial House or of the Romanov family".
The dress is very AOC at the Met Gala. And yet the reason why there has not been a Romanov wedding in Russia for a century is also very AOC.
Biczar...
Let dynasti[c fratri]cide begin >>> this could explain extensive Russian language fan fiction in Vorkosiverse Barrayar
how did this branch escape slaughter ?
are leaders of THE WEST anti-Putin because they want restoration or /democracy/
When they say "Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna," they mean it. Alternate pronunciation is the "Huge Duchess Maria Vladimirovna,"
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Princess Mako (Japan) is marrying a lawyer this month, and going to live with him there. She turned down an automatic million dollar payoff for getting married. Some scandal I'm not able to follow is current in Japan having to do with mothers and previous fiancees.
The Hapsburgs are not invisible in Austria.
Is that candle wax on his jacket?
My Russian history prof used to rant against "czar." According to him that's a Polishism, pronounced 'char.' He always insisted that we write and say tsar.
I guess that's a battle lost.
I bet there's a Youtube segment or eight on the imperial and royal Eurotrash succession, Muscovite branch.
You're right. Those are way cool photos.
If there are still Romanovs about, think how many Hapsburgs there must be. Yet they seem to not be in the public eye.
The fact that this wedding took place in St. Petersburg tells me there is no possibility of the monarchy returning any time soon. IF they were the slightest threat, Putin would have George killed.
They need a Diversity, Inclusion and Equity review done on this wedding, stat!
The bride, being Italian, is probably the closest thing to non-white in that crowd. That's some serious white supremacy, there.
Lots of pretty girls attending to the bride. One of my favorite things about weddings. Lots of fur-bearing animals gave their lives for this gathering, too.
I think maybe nation-states need meaning. A historical through line that gives its citizens shared identity and values. The French seem to understand that France exists as an Essential Frenchness, that must not be adulterated. The British seem to have forged a national identity that has weathered centuries of change. The American founders were wise or lucky enough to build a clear national identity and purpose from the ground up. We'll see how long it lasts.
Russia had one. Then the Marxist-Leninists smashed it to bits and replaced with a new one. However, unlike the purpose-built American Identity, the International Socialist identity was deeply flawed and unsustainable. Now the Russians are sifting through their history, picking up the pieces, and trying to reassemble something fit for competition on the world stage.
To jumpstart the Romanovs revival, they should hire some experienced royal sidekicks. I hear Harry and Meghan are looking for a new gig.
If it becomes necessary to keep track of the Romanovs, maybe Biden should appoint a tsar czar.
I wasn't born on third base, but on the plus side I wasn't born in Russia either. Even if you were born on third base in Russia, life was not bucket of ice cream. I guess the Romanovs got to wear a lot of jewels and exchange Fabrge eggs, but even in pre -Bolshevik times, they were always being shot at and blown up. For all the perks, it wasn't such a good deal.....Anyway, the family were mostly krauts. How about a descendant of the Varangians, the dynasty that ruled Russia before the Romanovs, being given a shot. They're probably more authentically Russian, and they'd probably be happy with just a nice apartment with a good view, and they wouldn't have any dynastic attachment to St Petersburg and all that sour history. Bring back Varangians.....While we're at it, why not bring back the Plantagenets.
Wiki explains : [I like his pronouns]
Georg Mikhailowitsch Romanow; born 13 March 1981) is the heir apparent to Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna of Russia, a claimant to the disputed Headship of the Imperial Family of Russia.[1] He is the only child of Grand Duchess Maria and her former husband, Prince Franz Wilhelm of Prussia. George's mother attributes to him the title of Tsesarevich and he bears, as a title of pretence, the prefix of "Grand Duke" with the style of Imperial Highness. As the son of a cadet member of the branch of the House of Hohenzollern which formerly ruled the German Empire and Kingdom of Prussia, he is also sometimes entitled "Prince of Prussia" with the style of Royal Highness.[2]
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salic succession : another hot topic in vorkosiverse + cadet branches
"The fact that this wedding took place in St. Petersburg tells me there is no possibility of the monarchy returning any time soon. IF they were the slightest threat, Putin would have George killed."
I'm guessing Putin wants more tourism and the mystique of the czar (and the Orthodox Church) is good for the economy.
"My Russian history prof used to rant against "czar." According to him that's a Polishism, pronounced 'char.' He always insisted that we write and say tsar."
I originally had "tsar," but I saw the article I was linking to — at NPR — used "czar" so I changed to that.
Things I thought when I made the change: "tsar" comes up all the time in crosswords ("czar" almost never), and "czar" is a more exciting combination of letters (especially if playing Scrabble).
Russia needs a Tsar but they don't need the Romanovs, who failed Russia. Czar Nicolas led Russia to destruction through stupidity and weakness. The Czar thought the English were his big buddies and hated the Germans. He refused to negotitate a separate peace with the Kaiser in 1916-1917. Even after lenin and his gangsters took over Russia, he and the Romanovs refused to deal with the Germans. Of course, the English repaid his loyalty by refusing to allow the Royal family sanctuary in England.
In the old days, people would get rid of a King and then import another Royal family from somewhere else. That's what Russia needs to do.
Hamming lists the possible spellings of Chebychev in Numerical Methods for Scientists and Engineers, which I wonder if I can find ...
I don't see it. A lot of choices from several columns.
Anyway I go with tsar because of jokes you can make with "When you wish upon a tsar."
"Lots of fur-bearing animals gave their lives for this gathering, too."
For varying definitions of "gave". :)
Never is not Russian -- I can almost hear Marko Ramius saying that, reminding me of Never Say Never.
@rhhardin -- When you wish upon a tsar -- excellent example of a profound pun. I like it.
You like Russian-themed puns?
Catherine the Great was said to have been the originator of Stallionism in Russia.
We could use some royalty in this country. Something to distract us from the clown show our "leaders" put on in DC.
Although we'd probably end up with an Americanized version of Harry and Megan. Probably involving one or more of the Kardashians.
"I'm guessing Putin wants more tourism and the mystique of the czar (and the Orthodox Church) is good for the economy."
I agree with you there Ann. Putin sees how big the Winsors as a tourist attraction to the UK, so he's seeing if Russia can get a piece of that action.
"In the old days, people would get rid of a King and then import another Royal family from somewhere else. That's what Russia needs to do."
I'm sure there are at least a couple of extra German prince's sitting around needing a job.
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