March 22, 2021

"In this case, a win for the cancellation artists would validate the dark prophesies one often finds in conservative writing, including on Substack..."

"... a future where 'woke capital,' in thrall to left-wing activists, makes it effectively impossible to hold a professional-class job without enthusiastically embracing progressive orthodoxy — especially on issues of identity. That world already seems uncomfortably close for journalists and academics, given that most of their institutions lean left. But self-publishing? It ought to be immune from cancellation unless the mob can somehow convince you to fire yourself. That changes, however, if activists can enforce a secondary boycott on the newsletter services, payment processors or web hosts that writers use. If that happens, it’s hard to see where viewpoint diversity could survive for long, except possibly in conservative outlets big enough to run their own technology and thereby survive the purge.... [E]conomist Cameron Harwick suggested... We actually are witnessing woke capital do what capital normally does, if the capitalist controls a monopoly. That is, extracting excess returns from the market — what economists call 'rents.'... And woke capital, Harwick argues, is actually the creation of a labor cartel: the highly progressive monoculture of professional workers. To keep them happy, institutions that employ a lot of professionals have been pressured toward a narrow ideological consensus, corresponding to the views of roughly the left-most 8 percent of the American electorate. It’s a hidden fringe benefit that Harwick dubs 'ideological rents.' If Harwick is right, then cancel culture can’t be defeated by Republican senators hassling Facebook or Twitter, because that doesn’t touch the monoculture...."

Writes Megan McArdle in "The Substack controversy’s bigger story" (WaPo).

151 comments:

Churchy LaFemme: said...

The accused, of course, insist that they are not transphobic. I find many of the accusations unconvincing, but I won’t parse all the back-and-forth.

So.. she can't talk about Substack without immunizing herself first..

Mark said...

The left most 8%? Sounds like a statistic pulled out of her ass.

Was the margin of error greater or lesser than 8%? Weak sauce to make overarching claims on.

Oso Negro said...

I guess that happy 8% needs their daily boost of smugdorphins to function properly. I kind of miss free speech though.

Danno said...

Churchy, that is a great point. McArdle has become a dyed-in-the-wool tard.

David Begley said...

My lunatic liberal brother in SF was early in the cancellation and boycott game. He claims to have applied enough pressure to get some conservative talk radio people fired. He was also big into “Flush Rush.”

He’s a coward and bully. He doesn’t use his real name and can’t allow competing ideas into the marketplace.

This censorship is profoundly un-American.

What is wrong with these people? If their ideas are so great, they should win any way.

tim maguire said...

I have mixed feelings. I don't like the fragmentation of social media into enclaves or ghettos, but this is correct that so long as there is a single dominant outlet, interest groups will be fighting to capture it and push out their opponents. My preferred solution is to declare social media outlets common carriers. Give them certain privileges and exemptions, but at the price of no moderation outside that required by law, no ability to favor one group over another. Let the interest groups do their fighting over elections like they are supposed to.

rehajm said...

...except possibly in conservative outlets big enough to run their own technology and thereby survive the purge...

Blind squirrel Megan almost gets it exactly right here. Conservatives will run their own technology, and it will happen quickly, but they don't have to be 'big enough' to do it. They can make themselves out of reach and/or cooperate and share resources...

If Hillary can figure out how to run a server from her bathroom...

Mr Wibble said...

Megan is just now realizing with horror that the the people she aligned herself with are as awful as those of us on the right kept saying for years. But Orangemanbad so we were to be ignored.

Good luck, sugartits. They'll come after you eventually, and you'll find no sympathy or support from me.

Oso Negro said...

@ David Begley - I suppose you can get further with an idea and a fanatical social structure to enforce conformance to it than you can with an idea alone.

Shouting Thomas said...

Greenwald and Taibbi are the targets to be taken down.

Until a few months ago, they were leftists.

David Begley said...

The latest rant from my brother. He left out BLM and Antifa.

“To keep beating & defeating the right we need to use their violent actions against them. We need to link the violent actors to the leaders on the right.

During the process we will almost certainly discover that leaders on the right have used trickery, bribery and threats to achieve their success. Often their trickery, bribery and threats are CRIMES. And when that happens there needs to be justice.”

Crimes I tell you! He wants to criminalize political beliefs.

Lurker21 said...
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Lurker21 said...

In this case, a win for the cancellation artists would validate the dark prophesies one often finds in conservative writing

This kind of "they say" often means, don't take this idea seriously because it's what "they say." I understand that writers want to be specific in their writing, but attributing general concerns to "the other side" is a way of dismissing real issues.

Rusty said...

The market place will decide. The marketplace always decides. Intellectual capital will go where it is treated best.
You might not be able to express your opinions where you work, but there is a street corner somewhere where your ideas can be heard. If there isn't we can make one.

Todd said...

That changes, however, if activists can enforce a secondary boycott on the newsletter services, payment processors or web hosts that writers use. If that happens, it’s hard to see where viewpoint diversity could survive for long, except possibly in conservative outlets big enough to run their own technology and thereby survive the purge....

And THAT is how/why cyber coins exist. It may ALSO be used by criminals but it is/will be used by anyone that is to the right of Lenin because soon being to the right of Lenin will be considered a crime against woke society.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Crimes I tell you! He wants to criminalize political beliefs.

When the left blatantly steals the 2022 elections and then arrests and prosecutes anyone who protests that is when things get really interesting.

Mattman26 said...

Dave B, I’m sorry you have a lunatic brother, but glad you shared the quotes reflecting his thinking (such as it is). It’s helpful to understand how his ilk (Now he has an ilk?!) manages to justify the unjustifiable.

Jeff Brokaw said...

McCardle begins her closing paragraph: “If forced to choose, simple arithmetic suggests those firms should probably let the most progressive 8 percent go and focus on the other nine-tenths of the country.”

Simple arithmetic?! She clearly does not understand, or is afraid to highlight, why cancel culture has the power it does: because the “most progressive 8%” threatens people.

It’s a protection racket run by vicious authoritarian thugs overpowering the cowards that seem to run every institution these days. Hope this helps!

Arithmetic has zero to do with it. Good grief, she writes 700-800 words leading up to the obvious conclusion, that it’s all about wielding power, and then defers to arithmetic?!?!

Mattman26 said...


“In this case, a win for the cancellation artists would validate the dark prophesies one often finds in conservative writing“

That’s a longer way of saying “The conservatives have been right about this all along.”

Owen said...

At some point the people who have been silenced, or those who wanted to hear them, are going to get a little fed up with this. And they might decide that if they can’t talk and listen freely on the Interwebz, nobody else should do so either. And there go the server farms.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0iAcQVIokg

Luke Lea said...

My perhaps too cynical view is that the Oligarchs who own the mass media and ultimately employ many if not most of these Woke youngsters encourage identify politics as a way to divide the electorate and keep themselves in power. All they really care about is maintaining the new neoliberal world order based on the free movement of capital, goods, and labor across international boundaries regardless of the consequences for ordinary working people in the West.

narciso said...

Yet a reign of fire in 220 localities thats just lively attitude.

rhhardin said...

It doesn't look like a labor cartel. It's a form of monopoly, though, as in the 1950s south. Nice store you have here, shame if you serve blacks and anything happened to it.

In cases of private or state violence, you get monopoly power.

It's not as if the railroads liked to stop and move all the black passengers to their own railway cars when they crossed the Mason-Dixon line.

Fernandinande said...

The latest rant from my brother. He left out BLM and Antifa.

So your brother is "Spocko's Brain"?

rhhardin said...

Today's econtalk (econtalk.org) is Meghan McArdle. She's pretty awful, but econtalk has been mostly awful since economics started taking up feelings about 8 years ago.

Temujin said...

The market doesn't work as described with a censorious party controlling incoming and outgoing information. At least- not a free market. Not capitalism. What the Left has created for themselves is a Baby Communist system. They're working toward a bigger and badder version of it, but they are what they are. That said, in actual capitalism, in an actual free market the marketplace- the millions of decisions made by millions of individuals every hour of every day is what drives the market, not the giant Left Guild of Correct Think. You cannot make a centralized decision on what to read that will be followed by the millions of individuals who make those millions of choices every hour of every day.

Substack will exist and continue to grow as long as it offers something the market desires. The NY Times and WaPo will continue to bleed subscribers as long as they continue to censor stories, and push fake news. (hate to sound trite, but that is precisely what they do.)

The marketplace is not often an instant reflection of the masses choices, but over a period of time, the choices of individuals becomes clear. That those keepers of the Guild are horrified of Substack and want to destroy it and it's members, is similar to the approach of Big Tech. To these people, competition is evil. It might even be racist. Raaacissst. So to them, competition- bad. No competition- good. However the marketplace is not a poll reader. The marketplace decides all day, every day, through millions of choices made. And those individual choices do not often care what they are told they must do by those who have already shown themselves to be, let's say...unreliable.

Kate said...

Senators *did have a chance to influence social media censorship, but that was about 6 yrs ago and they punted.

Also, "sugartits" is not a noun I normally use, but I must admit that @Mr. Wibble has deployed it well.

Sebastian said...

"it’s hard to see where viewpoint diversity could survive for long"

True. But the diagnosis comes a little late. Progs have been scorching the earth for a long time.

But it is not too late. For the moment, electoral politics still matters, and the nice women of American who aided and abetted the scorching can still resist it.

A little diversity may come from abroad--see Macron vs. American wokesters.

Jeff Brokaw said...

McCardle has this long-standing pattern of getting SO close to the essential truth of the matter, to seeing the light and actually taking a brave stand for something truly worthy and important ... and then backing away.

At least she does lead the reader partway down the path, which is more than most pundits, who are some combination of too partisan and too stupid to pay the slightest bit of attention to.

MayBee said...

"he highly progressive monoculture of professional workers. "

This line bothers me. There is no monoculture of professional workers, but the highly progressive ones would like to enforce their culture on the rest of the people.

MayBee said...

Substack will exist and continue to grow as long as it offers something the market desires.

Maybe.

But look what happened to Parler.

narciso said...

She didnt used to be this dense then the atlantic and the post signed her up

Sebastian said...

The real tell in the column is the headline: even for a slightly heterodox piece, the Substack "controversy" frames the issue from the prog point of view and concedes prog hegemony in setting the terms of discussion.

Has anyone seen columns about the Apple "controversy"? The Amazon "controversy"?

Mr Wibble said...

McCardle has this long-standing pattern of getting SO close to the essential truth of the matter, to seeing the light and actually taking a brave stand for something truly worthy and important ... and then backing away.

At least she does lead the reader partway down the path, which is more than most pundits, who are some combination of too partisan and too stupid to pay the slightest bit of attention to.


She's married to a Reason-libertarian and lives in DC. She can only get so close without being rendered impure.

stevew said...

@Jeff Brokaw: McCardle, like our host, is fearful of coming under fire from the woke mob.

In this case, a win for the cancellation artists would validate the dark prophesies one often finds in conservative writing


"proves" is more appropriate in this context than "validate".

Breezy said...

So crazy... who really wants to live in a world where everyone says the same thing? I get the power angle, but that factor alone is mind-numbing. You don’t get vaccines or spaceships or even cellphones in that kind of place.

narciso said...

It'll be fine


https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1373739685252595714

Rory said...

"because the “most progressive 8%” threatens people."

The 8% are aligned with foreign parties, both ideologically and as to market interests.

narciso said...

Now substack published omidyars etch a sketch the dinghy, that cant be helped, but otherwise there is a very vibrant culture out there.

I Callahan said...

to seeing the light and actually taking a brave stand for something truly worthy and important ... and then backing away.


She can't afford to. It would require her to look in the mirror and say out loud, "Orange Man was not the problem."

narciso said...

As opposed to the same carp that cries insurrection and anti asian crime wave likethe zombies worshiping the bomb that praised steppen cuomo to the skies.

I'm Not Sure said...

"That world already seems uncomfortably close for journalists and academics, given that most of their institutions lean left."

"Most"? "Lean left"?

They're not leaning. They hiked a thousand miles to the left, dug holes for foundations and before pouring the concrete, hiked another thousand miles, just to be sure.

gilbar said...

the highly progressive monoculture of professional workers.

Except!

I'm sure that there's a highly progressive monoculture of professional workers...
In New York City. Thanx to Covid, there is No Longer ANY reason to employ city people
WHY would Anyone work in the city? WHY would Anyone hire city people?

n.n said...

Conservative writing:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
...
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.


And so on and so forth.

Static Ping said...

Ah, Megan suddenly discovers that they are not going to kill her last like they promised.

In the long term, stupid ideas never win. The problem is stupid ideas sometimes go out in a mass murder/suicide.

Amadeus 48 said...

Note that nowhere in this excerpt does McArdle deal with the costs imposed by goofy ideological monoculture, the likelihood of black markets, the incentives to destroy the machine, and the fact that this sort of thing leaves a society, including its economy, in ruins.

See, for example, the Soviet Union from 1917 to 1990 (Russia thereafter).

narciso said...

Look at the tripe the hill pushes out, thats just pablum

n.n said...

the highly progressive monoculture of professional workers.

Integrated redundancy. Progressive refers to a philosophy and practice of unqualified monotonic change. From Great Leap to one-child to selective-child exemplifies the progressive path and grade. From Jew privilege to White privilege to Asian privilege, too. From colored people (i.e. low-information attribute) to people of color (i.e. color bloc, identity defined by skin color, racism, diversity dogma). One step forward, two steps backward.

Dave Begley said...

Fernandinande:

Yes, my brother is Spocko's Brain. I wasn't supposed to know, but I figured it out.

I'm sure he's totally pissed that I achieved a large and world-wide readership with my campaign posts at Power Line.

Hard to believe we have the same parents and went to the same schools.

narciso said...

Meanwhile:

https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/22/project-veritas-wins-early-round-in-defamation-lawsuit-against-new-york-times/#.YFiPZY2HaIc.twitter

n.n said...

Ah, Megan suddenly discovers that they are not going to kill her last like they promised.

Feminine females take a knee to transgenders. Even trans/homosexual females have lost a degree of political congruence to their trans/neo-female (i.e. male) "sisters". Oh, well. In the secular pursuit of capital and control, all's fair in lust and abortion.

Ray said...

"What is wrong with these people? If their ideas are so great, they should win any way."
They think the rest of us are so stupid and unenlightened, that for our own good they should have sole power. They are saving our souls you see.

DarkHelmet said...

There is a 'highly progressive monoculture of professional workers.' The unfortunate thing is, there are people within those organizations who don't approve of it but can't do anything about it other than quit. If you object to the semi-annual woke HR indoctrination modules you're beyond the pale and probably fired. If you don't agree with the top brass official corporate line on climate change or 'equity' or 'systemic racism' or whatever their obsession of the moment might be then you might as well clean out your desk.

I can't believe how fast this has happened. We're on an exponential curve now. Each month things get twice as stupid as the last month. We're going to get to unsustainably stupid around about the 2022 midterms at the current pace. And one of two things will have to happen. Either the Wokefascist structure collapses of its own internal absurdities or the cultural enforcers are going to have to get a lot nastier. A LOT nastier. Think China during the Cultural Revolution.

Sadly, it CAN happen here.

rightguy said...

Substack's problem is that it is a meritocracy and as such it pays writers commensurate with their ability to attract paying subscribers. And currently, the writers that attract eyeballs tend to be conservative.

Lefties are jealous, of course. (i.e. Jude Doyle : "... Doyle says they left Substack because they were upset that Substack was publishing — and in some cases offering money upfront to — authors they say are “people who actively hate trans people and women, argue ceaselessly against our civil rights, and in many cases, have a public history of directly, viciously abusing trans people and/or cis women in their industry.”

But why would anyone want to pay money to read woke lefty writers ? They are intellectcually bankrupt, in thrall as they are to woke lefty dogma, and you know what they are going to say before they say it. Besides you can read that kind of stuff anywhere and everywhere for free.

Greg Hlatky said...

A LOT nastier. Think China during the Cultural Revolution.

It will. Failures by the Left never lead to a reassessment of false assumptions but to their intensification.

Amadeus 48 said...

I must say that I am gladly forking over $50 per year to both Greenwald and Taibbi on Substack with no illusions as to their deranged socialist politics but with great appreciation for their honesty and consistency.

I would do the same for George Orwell.

Howard said...

Right on Rusty. Was glad to hear that Trump is going to launch his own social media platform.

Blogger Rusty said...
The market place will decide. The marketplace always decides. Intellectual capital will go where it is treated best.
You might not be able to express your opinions where you work, but there is a street corner somewhere where your ideas can be heard. If there isn't we can make one.

Joe Smith said...

All woke people can fuck themselves, sideways, with a pineapple wrapped in barbed wire.

They are destroying our society and western civilization.

Ray said...

'"proves" is more appropriate in this context than "validate".'
What she was trying to say is it's time to stop before people start believing the Right's stupid ideas. Once people start to see the Right was right on one thing, they might wonder if they were right on others. Can't have that.

chickelit said...

McArdle is a TDS survivor and many of the Substack writers were stricken as well. Now that TDS is waning--not because of innoculation nor immunity--because the whole reason for it has vanished or morphed, its effects remain plain to see. But make no mistake: "wokism" came not from opposition to mainstream conservatives but rather as a reaction to Trump's actions. Mainstream conservatives were never a mortal threat to Progressive ideas because mainstream conservatives were largely a dying breed: cf Chuck. With Trump neutered (for now), the Left is exposed as dangerously power-hungry. McArdle is rightly disturbed by the lingering effects of TDS. Comparisons to the Jacobins remain apt.

Ray said...

'"proves" is more appropriate in this context than "validate".'
What she was trying to say is it's time to stop before people start believing the Right's stupid ideas. Once people start to see the Right was right on one thing, they might wonder if they were right on others. Can't have that.

narciso said...



Who else has noted this

https://nypost.com/2021/03/16/four-on-terror-watchlist-arrested-at-border-since-october/

narciso said...

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2021/03/22/james-okeefe-releases-photos-of-border-facility-taunts-jen-psaki-for-denying-media-access-press/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Anne-I-Am said...

Instructive: Nassim Taleb's observation of how the smallest, most intolerant minority sets the rules. So McArdle's professed confusion at how 8% can control the other 92% could be dispelled if she understood how a strident, intolerant, punitive minority sets the agenda for the rest of us.

rightguy said...

MG said : "Why would anybody subscribe to read paid, woke, alleged "righties"?"

I'm not sure I get that.

Anne-I-Am said...

Amadeus: I also gladly pay to read Greenwald and Taibbi. Also John McWhorter. Interesting how conservatives will listen to liberal viewpoints, isn't it?

narciso said...

Nothing to see here


https://mobile.twitter.com/vickimckenna/status/1373992276981088256?s=21

Nonapod said...

the highly progressive monoculture of professional workers

Unfortunately I can't read the whole article since WaPo shakes its tin cup at me when I click through. But I'm curious as to what exactly a "professional worker" is and where this Harwick person got the "roughly 8%" figure from. Not that I doubt the number, but I'm just curious where it came from exactly.

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Howard said...

Joe Smith is a cheese eating surrender monkey. Stand up man, the woke are a phantom paper tiger. Still afraid of the boogeyman?

Churchy LaFemme: said...

Unfortunately I can't read the whole article since WaPo shakes its tin cup at me when I click through.

Turn off javascript before clicking through.

Achilles said...

Fascists are fascists whether you call them progressives or nazi's or the cultural revolution. They do the same thing every time throughout history.

Right/Left/Conservative/Liberal are just stupid words people use.

The Regime is just doing what corrupt rulers have always done. There is nothing special going on here.

And the people that support it are just doing tribal politics. Their animal instincts are driving their activity.

They just aren't that smart.

Joe Smith said...

"Stand up man, the woke are a phantom paper tiger."

They're such phantoms they are getting people fired from their jobs for nothing more than engaging in free speech.

Once again, fuck off.

Michael said...

.
Somehow writers such as Sullivan, Greenwald, Taibbi, and Yglesis are now considered right-wing. JFC, do these critics even bother to read before commenting.

Howard said...

Jesus, Joe... Just because you're on your period doesn't mean you can't act like a lady.

Howard said...

The woke seem to trigger your animal instincts, Achilles. How does their bait taste?

DavidUW said...

"Libertarian" discovers that people (whom she's supported for at least the past 4, if not 12 years) who want to eliminate freedom of speech are bad people, maybe.

She's tiresome and not sure how she continues to earn a living.

Joe Smith said...
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NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Cancelling among journalist isn't about ideology as much as it is careerism. You've got a bunch of 25-30 year-olds who think they should be running the paper, NOW! They don't want to spend 20 years climbing the ladder, so they look for reasons to cancel anyone who stands in their way. She's 48 years-old, worried about her job and doesn't like the fact that Substack exists because that will become a version of the "they're insured" justification that the woke are so fond of.

Mark said...

Come on. Totalitarianism means TOTAL. It doesn't mean partial.

And the left is bent on totalitarianism. And a BIG segment of society is happy to go along.

AND THE COUNTRY WAS WARNED ABOUT ALL THIS.

MikeR said...

I would be glad to have Megan McArdle back. She was at the top of a list of writers that I found interesting and intelligent until they joined the crowd of people fixated on Donald Trump.

Tom said...

It always amazed me how in the past, rich white land owners were able to control their slave and poor populations by pitting them against each other. I’ve always wondered “how’s that happen?”

Welp, we’re seeing it. We’re seeing Marxist-Leninists welding power had pitting the different groups of the population against each other based on hate.

Hopefully this is a temporary movement like the 1950s Red Scare (maybe we should have listened). But there’s a risk we’re looking at a change to authoritarianism that won’t be solved in our lifetime. The left just armed itself with trillions of dollars from the treasury through “Covid relief.”

Achilles said...

Joe Smith said...


They're such phantoms they are getting people fired from their jobs for nothing more than engaging in free speech.

Once again, fuck off.


Howard is a slightly above average intelligence that is unhappy with himself and his life.

He gets short term happiness out of attacking people who have principles and care about them.

At some point he may actually address his own issues. Until he does that he is just lashing out and causing pain to anyone he can.

He can't hurt you unless you let him. Only you can hurt you. It is hard when they can hurt people around you. But the goal there should be helping the people you care about get to the point where they cannot be hurt by the things that do no matter as well.

Once you are happy with your life and can look in the mirror people like Howard disappear.

Mark said...

Hopefully this is a temporary movement like the 1950s Red Scare (maybe we should have listened). But there’s a risk we’re looking at a change to authoritarianism that won’t be solved in our lifetime.

Take a look at the big cities for a precedent if you are vainly hoping for the masses to regain their sanity and throw off the overlords.

Again, when we said that the election last year was America's last chance, we meant it. At least half the country, however, chose national suicide.

Michael K said...

Blogger narciso said...
She didnt used to be this dense then the atlantic and the post signed her up


Boy is that true ! I used to read her all the time. Too bad she is no longer Libertarian.

iowan2 said...

I pasted my entire comment from 3/20 on the post about the narrative lies the NYT was pushing about the Atlanta Shootings.
Just as this post explains. Being a worker bee and keeping your head down is fine, if that's what full fills your professional life. But...if you aspire to any sort of leadership role, big or small, you are neutered in your ability to manage your group with most efficient and productive culture you are striving to create.
Your choice is, choose not to advance, or if you do advance, be miserable in your professional life, stymied to excel and prosper.

Also. A straight white male will be at the very bottom of the pile of considered applicants for those promotions. The corporation will hire from outside, if all they have for internal applicants, are white males. Doing great work, having top performance reviews, will all be shit canned because you are white with testicales and refuse to wear a dress or suck cocks.

White man evil.

That is all that is important.

If you are at odds of what position to take in a trans vs lesbian battle, just declare the evil nature of white males. It is the perfect armor to take onto the battlefield.


I am unsure about how to prepare my three grandsons. They are bright. Their mother, top 1% with a masters. Father top 2% engineering. The kids only hope are careers rooted in pure STEM, but in 15 years those endeavors too, will be infected. At what level, unknown. Brains, work ethic, and character will allow them to earn a living, but if they seek to lead in their chosen fields? "Their race will be disqualifying."

Joe Smith said...

"Howard is a slightly above average intelligence that is unhappy with himself and his life."

I doubt the intelligence assessment.

Bob Smith said...

What Megan really means is “Those nasty conservatives with their families and principles might be right. And that makes me wrong, and I can’t be wrong”

Michael K said...

He can't hurt you unless you let him. Only you can hurt you. It is hard when they can hurt people around you. But the goal there should be helping the people you care about get to the point where they cannot be hurt by the things that do no matter as well.

Once you are happy with your life and can look in the mirror people like Howard disappear.


Yup. I'm sure Howard gets little rushes of chemical pleasure from his comments here.

Joe Smith said...

"Also. A straight white male will be at the very bottom of the pile of considered applicants for those promotions. The corporation will hire from outside, if all they have for internal applicants, are white males. Doing great work, having top performance reviews, will all be shit canned because you are white with testicales and refuse to wear a dress or suck cocks."

This great white purge, if it continues and grows, will probably lead the very smart and motivated to start their own businesses when they may not have done otherwise.

If you have the talent and the drive, I would recommend going it on your own...

Douglas B. Levene said...

Temujin wrote, “ Substack will exist and continue to grow as long as it offers something the market desires. The NY Times and WaPo will continue to bleed subscribers as long as they continue to censor stories, and push fake news.” He’s right in part, wrong in part. Substack is currently thriving because it is offering a service— classically liberal, center-left opinion— that is not available elsewhere. That doesn’t mean that the radical left won’t be able to use secondary boycotts to coerce Substack into dropping the heretics. We’ll see. As for the Times and the Post, they aren’t losing subscribers, they’re gaining them. They may be losing a few of their traditional readers, but they are more than making up for that by becoming national papers with readers all over. Of course, their gains are coming at the expense of local newspapers, but that’s happening in all kinds of markets for all kinds of goods and services.

Big Mike said...

He (Dave Begley’s brother) wants to criminalize political beliefs.

@Dave, criminalizing political beliefs has been a feature of Democrat politics since during the Bush administration. It seems to have come in with the 21st century.

I'm Not Sure said...

"@Dave, criminalizing political beliefs has been a feature of Democrat politics since during the Bush administration."

Democrats: "Our political beliefs are so crappy we have to eliminate all others in order that ours not suffer in comparison."

Mr Wibble said...

This great white purge, if it continues and grows, will probably lead the very smart and motivated to start their own businesses when they may not have done otherwise.

If you have the talent and the drive, I would recommend going it on your own...


If you're permitted to do so. If not, any business will be required to have a certain number of minorities in key positions, which will ensure that white men are always second-class citizens.

Known Unknown said...

There is no Substack controversy.

Mike Sylwester said...

MayBee at 8:15 AM
"the highly progressive monoculture of professional workers."

This line bothers me. There is no monoculture of professional workers, but the highly progressive ones would like to enforce their culture on the rest of the people.


The expression should be: monoculture of highly progressive professional workers.

David53 said...


@Churchy
Turn off javascript before clicking through.


Interesting. Turning off javascript allows me to click through to NYT but not WaPo.

Achilles said...

Joe Smith said...

"Howard is a slightly above average intelligence that is unhappy with himself and his life."

I doubt the intelligence assessment.

Don't allow personal feelings to cloud your judgements.

He disagrees with you. That doesn't make him stupid. You also have to listen to people like that and understand what they are saying and where they are coming from.

You have to be able to repeat back their words in a way they would agree with.

If you repeat back Howard's posts to him and what they mean that will have more of an impact than lashing out in a manner similar to his posts.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

Interesting. Turning off javascript allows me to click through to NYT but not WaPo.

Hmm. Works for me, so I don't know what to tell you. I guess you could try using a private browsing window as well. But you're not missing much.

Jupiter said...

Skip WaPo and McCurdle. Here's the horse's mouth

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Churchy LaFemme: said...

Hmm. Works for me, so I don't know what to tell you. I guess you could try using a private browsing window as well. But you're not missing much.

https://www.archive.is. Paste the url in the second box to search for the latest snapshot. If none exists you will get an option to create an archived version. You should have the article on screen in a few minutes.

DavidUW said...

I am unsure about how to prepare my three grandsons. They are bright. Their mother, top 1% with a masters. Father top 2% engineering. The kids only hope are careers rooted in pure STEM, but in 15 years those endeavors too, will be infected. At what level, unknown. Brains, work ethic, and character will allow them to earn a living, but if they seek to lead in their chosen fields? "Their race will be disqualifying."
>>

Start by finding a new country that is open to new permanent residents. Learn the language. Move.

Uruguay looks good.

Almost exactly the size of Wisconsin.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Game theory doesn’t survive this rosy prediction.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

I had a hard time processing “cancellation artist” because I kept thinking about canceled artists.

Mr Wibble said...

The kids only hope are careers rooted in pure STEM, but in 15 years those endeavors too, will be infected.

In 15 years STEM jobs will be flooded by Chinese and Indian workers imported for cheap.

MayBee said...

Mike Sylwester said...

"The expression should be: monoculture of highly progressive professional workers."

Yes!

Michael K said...

Start by finding a new country that is open to new permanent residents. Learn the language. Move.

Uruguay looks good.


Interesting idea. Chile has pretty much self destructed since Pinochet saved them. If you are a fan of WEB Griffin's novels, as I am, he has several series about Argentina and he lived there for a while. Uruguay sounds pretty good but Peron ruined Argentina. Have you been there? My daughter has been to Argentina a few times. Not to Uruguay.

Howard said...

This is the best discussion of the current media transition we are going through that I have heard. Not ideological nor emotional. By the end, I conclude that people are not going to Galt's Gulch, but to Austin, Tx.

Saagar Enjeti: Politics, History, and Power | Lex Fridman Podcast #167

Bruce Hayden said...

“Either the Wokefascist structure collapses of its own internal absurdities or the cultural enforcers are going to have to get a lot nastier. A LOT nastier.”

I think that it collapses. It is already absurd. Defund the police? Sure. And petty crime, violent crime, even murder, rates soar. Duh. Women, children, and esp minorities hardest hit. Double duh. A substantial number of her woke leadership likely went to private school, many where athletics are mandatory. The women grew up playing preppy sports like lacrosse, stick ball (field hockey), etc. A serious part of prep school. Goodbye. Now their younger sisters and daughters are going to have to compete with the bigger, stronger, faster born male trans women. Fun while it lasted.

1L Boy across the street has a diversity fellowship from a prominent law firm for LS. He appears very woke from their bio. They seem seriously woke. Would I give them my business? Nope. Flushing money down the drain on woke nonsense doesn't reassure me in the least that they would be good custodians of my freedom or my wealth. I think just the opposite - that they would either steal from me, or sacrifice my interests for the sake of their wokeness. Probably drop me for political convenience if I got sued by someone worker than I (which is very easy). Far better, in my mind, the non political law firm that tries to stay neutral in this sort of stuff. I think that I am glad that I am now retired, since the firm I retired from was the more liberal big firm in the state. I am scared of where they have probably gone since then. I was (accidentally) on LinkedIn the other day, and was surprised at how many of the more conservative, key, partners had gone elsewhere in the last decade.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Jeff Brokaw said...
McCardle begins her closing paragraph: “If forced to choose, simple arithmetic suggests those firms should probably let the most progressive 8 percent go and focus on the other nine-tenths of the country.”

Simple arithmetic?! She clearly does not understand, or is afraid to highlight, why cancel culture has the power it does: because the “most progressive 8%” threatens people.


The reality is that there's nothing behind their threats.

If during the Tom Cotton fight, the NYT had simply fired the top 10 complainers' nd told the rest they could either shut up or get fired, too, the complaints would have ended.

The people pushing this are all junior. They are easily fired, and easily replaced. Especially in the tight Covid job market.

They're "humored" because they're pushing things that people at the top already want.

When companies are made to pay a high enough price for catering to the deranged, it will stop

but not before then

I just wonder if it's going to get to teh stage of mass shootings and bombings for the companies to have to "pay a high enough prioce" to stop

Howard said...

Blogger Anne-I-Am said...

Instructive: Nassim Taleb's observation of how the smallest, most intolerant minority sets the rules. So McArdle's professed confusion at how 8% can control the other 92% could be dispelled if she understood how a strident, intolerant, punitive minority sets the agenda for the rest of us.


This is true for both "teams", red and blue. However, these strident minorities only impacts superficial behavior (optics), not actual policy.

Ken B said...

DavidUW
How old are they? Consider school in India.
I am perfectly serious. India has some high quality STEM schools, such as IIT. There are courses on youtube, so one can see. They speak English and teach in English.
If I were university bound I would be looking hard at India, and the same if my son was.
Or the Baltic states, if they have English language universities (which several EU countries do).
Look into Hillsdale as well.

DavidUW said...

Interesting idea. Chile has pretty much self destructed since Pinochet saved them. If you are a fan of WEB Griffin's novels, as I am, he has several series about Argentina and he lived there for a while. Uruguay sounds pretty good but Peron ruined Argentina. Have you been there? My daughter has been to Argentina a few times. Not to Uruguay.
>>
Uruguay is pretty sweet. Generally well-run, moderate. Food is good, generally safe, clean, city life in Montevideo, country/beach life everywhere else. Argentine gaucho culture in the country without the socialism. Short trip to Buenos Aires. Housing is relatively cheap especially once you get out of Montevideo.

No one speaks English though. And the Spanish is challenging to those of us used to Mexican. Half the country in the north has a weird hybrid Spanish portuguese due to Brazil. The other part is Argentine type accent (i.e Italian).

gilbar said...

Mr Wibble said...
In 15 years STEM jobs will be flooded by Chinese and Indian workers imported for cheap.


Except!
thanx to Covid, there'll be No reason to bring them Here; they'll be able to work from home

Covid means no one needs to work in Cities
Covid means no one needs to work in the United States
Can do your job from home? Say hello to the foreigner that's replacing you

Bruce Hayden said...

“ By the end, I conclude that people are not going to Galt's Gulch, but to Austin, Tx.”

Why would anyone want to live in Austin these days? The crazies appear to have taken over. The state legislature appears to be preempting the city more and more, as the city sinks into woke squalor. Twenty years ago, I lived and worked right across the river, which meant close to the bars and clubs. Right as I was leaving, the city bought the building we were in, and eventually evicted us. Our company then consolidated north by Round Rock. I wasn’t looking forward to losing my indoor parking, so took a job in PHX where it was at least covered. North of Austin reminds me a lot of SW of Boulder in US 36 - nice clean suburban campuses, that haven’t been invaded yet by homeless encampments, nor subject to burning because some druggie in Minneapolis died of a fentanyl OD while in police custody, or looting because OrangeManBad, and, yes, it is fun.

Anywhere the state has to preempt a city’s onerous gun laws and permissive camping regulations is not a viable alternative to Galt’s Gulch.

Fernandinande said...

pure STEM, but in 15 years those endeavors too, will be infected.

STEM is already infected.

Cell says "Science has a racism problem" and "This year has forced us to confront the systemic racism that Black scientists face."

+

"AAAS CEO [not white] Statement on #ShutDownSTEM and Black Lives Matter" (American Association for the Advancement of Science, Executive Publisher, Science Journals)

"Science, engineering, and medicine are not immune to the discrimination, subjugation, and silencing of minority colleagues and voices. The reasons for this are deeply ingrained in the systems that govern the conduct of these fields. When we hold up a mirror to the scientific enterprise, we see that it’s not only politicians and law enforcement that need to be reminded that Black lives matter."

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'"Anti-racism" is the premise that policies and practices can be intentionally constructed to nullify the outcomes of racist policies. The AMS [American Mathematical Society] is committed to identifying policies and practices in our organization and our community that have inequitable outcomes, and abrogating them to enable the equitable participation of all mathematicians.'

Ken B said...

“ When companies are made to pay a high enough price for catering to the deranged, it will stop”

The normal rules do not apply to monopolies or government subsidized or proscribed markets. Bell, as a monopoly, was grossly irrational and inefficient, for decades. The school system has been broken for decades, and getting worse. How impressive is the post office?

narciso said...

The kirschners ruined argentina. Although their predecessors duhalde and delarua didnt help

Lacalle is a reasonable one right now.

narciso said...

We see some here


https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2021/03/22/understand-that-some-people-love-the-pandemic-n2586599

Anne-I-Am said...

Howard, you are wrong. It isn't optics. It is absolutely policy--look at the Equality Act. The less than 1% of people who delusionally believe themselves to be the sex they aren't are driving policy. They are vocal; they are vindictive; they are abusive--and they are winning the policy war.

Iman said...

Sweet Baby Jesus! Howard ran out of lotion... again.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Bruce Hayden said...

I think that it collapses.

Give it time it will. That's cold comfort, but it is reality. Most wokies really don't know how to do much except be woke. Very few companies can survive with a workforce that can't conduct the company's basic business.

Michael K said...

Why would anyone want to live in Austin these days?

My son and his daughter did a lot of campus visiting last year and said Austin was "a dump." They were interested in Texas but she settled on U of Alabama and he is now researching South Carolina for when they escape from CA.

narciso said...

You see the difference:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/03/washington-post-spins-the-fiasco-in-anchorage.php

Michael K said...

that they would either steal from me, or sacrifice my interests for the sake of their wokeness. Probably drop me for political convenience if I got sued by someone worker than I (which is very easy).

This is what will eventually kill these people off. Look at Coca Cola and Gillette. The marketing person at Gillette who thought up that transgender shaving ad is probably from another country. I wonder at the number of Indian names I see in these "Woke" companies. I wonder if they learned American culture from "The West Wing" and other media sources?

Yancey Ward said...

What are the comments like on McArdle's op-ed?

I Callahan said...

The woke seem to trigger your animal instincts, Achilles. How does their bait taste?

You know, sitting off to the side and throwing out snide remarks just shows how much of a thoughless, shrill dick you really are. How about addressing the actual points?

Mr Wibble said...

Why would anyone want to live in Austin these days?

I have friends in Texas and like the state, so I'd love to get out that way. Austin CC has a metalworking program that I want to take, and unfortunately many of my interests tend to require an urban area and tend to skew leftwing in their participants.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

narciso said...

You see the difference:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/03/washington-post-spins-the-fiasco-in-anchorage.php


They missed one important point. China did that with the Biden crew because they knew that Blinken would sit there like a good little submissive and take it. Also there will be no trade repercussions. They wouldn't even have tried it with Trump.

DavidD said...

“What is wrong with these people? If their ideas are so great, they should win any way."

Exactly.

Why force the Boy Scouts to accommodate gays? Start your own NAMBLA Scouts and compete in the marketplace of ideas.

JK Brown said...

@Big Mike: "@Dave, criminalizing political beliefs has been a feature of Democrat politics since during the Bush administration. It seems to have come in with the 21st century."

No, no, what changed is their coming to believe in their ascendance.

Mises offered a good assessment a century ago regarding the ideological forefathers of the modern US Democrat.

"The Social Democrats were democratic only so long as they were not the ruling party; that is, so long as they still felt themselves not strong enough to suppress their opponents by force. The moment they thought themselves the strongest, they declared themselves— as their writers had always asserted was advisable at this point— for dictatorship. Only when the armed bands of the Rightist parties had inflicted bloody defeats on them did they again become democratic “until further notice.” Their party writers express this by saying: “In the councils of the social democratic parties, the wing which declared for democracy triumphed over the one which championed dictatorship.”

"Of course, the only party that may properly be described as democratic is one that under all circumstances— even when it is the strongest and in control— champions democratic institutions."


--Mises, Ludwig von (1927). Liberalism

narciso said...

Its how they look at the capitulation to the dragon

chuck said...

Never heard of any of the writers who are complaining. Will they be missed?

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Howard said...
This is true for both "teams", red and blue. However, these strident minorities only impacts superficial behavior (optics), not actual policy.

That's certainly not true for abortion, where the lunatic left (9th month abortions, gov't funding of abortions) rule Democrat policy

David53 said...

@NorthOfTheOneOhOne

https://www.archive.is. Paste the url in the second box to search for the latest snapshot. If none exists you will get an option to create an archived version. You should have the article on screen in a few minutes.


It works, thanks for the tech education!

Ron Winkleheimer said...

I am really going to miss clean, potable water and indoor plumbing in general.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/21/seattle-schools-math-is-racist/

narciso said...

You cant have nice things ron

mockturtle said...

Leigh Wilton and Jessica Sullivan, Skidmore College psychology professors who study race and social interaction, say that children develop implicit bias as early as 3 months old, and at 4 years old are categorizing and developing stereotypes....

Horseshit!

mockturtle said...

Psychology professors should take a long walk on a very short pier. It's high time we challenged these fabrications.

Howard said...

Hot off the presses...

Ronald Sullivan: The Ideal of Justice in the Face of Controversy and Evil | Lex Fridman Podcast #170​


Black Harvard professor cancelled by students for defending rapist Harvey Weinstein. Another adult conversation with millennial Lex Fridman.

DavidUW said...

Austin is a shithole.
Thankfully the governor is doing his best to tamp down on the stupid, but it only goes so far.

The hill country towns are better.

I prefer San Antonio for a big city. Dallas is fine too but for some reason, probably the Mexican food, I prefer San Antone.

Francisco D said...

mockturtle said...
Leigh Wilton and Jessica Sullivan, Skidmore College psychology professors who study race and social interaction, say that children develop implicit bias as early as 3 months old, and at 4 years old are categorizing and developing stereotypes....

Horseshit!


It's bullshit based on an intentionally superficial understanding of brain development and relabeling pattern recognition as implicit bias.

Ken B said...

The assumption that people don’t want their cities to be shitholes is the mistake. Many do want precisely that. So it won’t stop when cities turn to shitholes.

Amadeus 48 said...

The bills from the last twelve months are set back your children and grandchildren substantially. It was like incurring the bills for a couple of the most expensive years WWII in 12 months.

If you are a Boomer, think back to the 1950s. We didn't have much or do much, did we? Very little foreign travel. Good, basic food, but not much restaurant life. If your older sibs went to college, it didn't cost much. People took whatever jobs they could get. Life was quieter. But it was more prosperous than the Great Depression or WWII.

It's going to be like that for them. If we are lucky, they'll start families. If we are not, it will be like Japan, with a few children supporting a lot of aging family members and huge government obligations.

Scott M said...

The article gives a little peace, oddly. As rational as I try to be, I was starting to entertain the speed and breadth of what we're seeing might be supernatural in nature :) Good to see that it just comes down to good ol' power.

todd galle said...

The Server Farm mentioned earlier is intuitive. Losing a couple of on line electric stations or transformers might be problematic to Silicon Valley. The Left never, ever, think anyone else is thinking or planning. Not that I'm advocating anything in any way, but Northern Cali (or Southern Cali as well), could be easily crippled with 12 men, 3 cars, and 9 guns. Not directed at individuals but at electric infrastructure. I don't think they have ever have understood that fact, and that electricity doesn't magically appears in outlets. Might be a fatal flaw. Again, I'm not suggesting anything untoward, but there are hundreds of thousands of Americans who know what to do, and they are being pushed hard on numerous fronts. Again, not advocating anything, but those pushing should know there might be push-back, and it won't be in Texas.

n.n said...

Why force the Boy Scouts to accommodate gays?

Yes, transgender is trendy. To add insult to injury, there are lawyers who sue organizations, churches, etc., claiming they enabled sexual abuse. From grade school: stop hitting yourself. Surely, a double-edged scalpel. Perhaps not. It's a Pro-Choice, Pro-Choice, Pro-Choice, Pro-Choice national quasi-religion.

chickelit said...

Mr Wibble said...In 15 years STEM jobs will be flooded by Chinese and Indian workers imported for cheap

It started about 20 years ago and is almost complete. Please try to stay current.

chickelit said...

@Mr Wibble: But please keep up the fiction that STEM hasn't been infected yet; it keeps parents wanting to invest in private STEM tutors.

rehajm said...

... and he is now researching South Carolina for when they escape from CA

Tell them not to come here. We're full...