January 10, 2021

"I grew up in the ruins of a country that suffered the loss of its democracy..."

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Sprezzatura said...

I agree that she wasn’t intending to make a completely figured statement that she wanted to claim was fully sorted. I had that feeling from the get-go in this thread.

If I was less of a jerk, I’d cut more slack. And I considered doing so, even before the first comment re this.

OTOH, she has been in these threads jabbering about how she interacts w/ some lib snowflake type people sometimes I figured that it may help her to remember that she can be a little loose w/ connecting dots herself. You want to claim “links” over the last year, you better be able to fill in what you are linking to. She cannot do that. At least she cannot do that using logic and reality re “links” to the actions of folks trying to overturn a legitimate election and thereby destroy our democracy/Constitution, not to mention trashing the Capitol (unless the pointing finger re “links” gets aimed at DJT and his supporters in media and political office, which seems unlikely from Freeman).

Anywho, I bet she’ll be less sloppy in future threads.

Or she’ll do what Doc Mike does when he sees that I’m around (like he did in this thread), and run away from particular threads where BS piss poor comments may be called out.

Sprezzatura said...

JPS,

Why don’t you tell us what institutional actions over the last year are linked to DJT supporters wanting to overturn a legitimate election and therefore our nation/democracy/Constitution, and trash the Capitol of our country?

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Should Kamala be held responsible for bailing out violent protestors and Antifa thugs?


Fullmoon - lol thank you.

so many Russian agents.. (and it was Hillary who raked in secret cash from secret deals with... Russia!) Recall - Inga claimed to vote for Jill Stein. Hillary and her surrogates called Jill Stein a Russian Agent. LOL - Inga voted for a Russian agent. I love that.

Ray - SoCal said...

Nurses Union kicked his butt and he never recovered went into full Wimp Mode.

If he had picked off his opponents individually, instead he tried them all at once.

>Ahnold- So far as I am concerned, he was a decent governor of that ungovernable state,

With the current 1 party super majority it’s getting worse and worse. The degree of incompetence and virtue signaling is almost beyond belief. And I think it will get worse.

FullMoon said...

Lucien said...

Inga said:

Who the hell do you think we are? Did you not see the 4 Million people out in the streets protesting the day after the Inauguration?


And that's the problem, isn't it? The day after the Inauguration.

The guy had been President for all of one day and "the Resistance" started. Which means that the day after the Inauguration, you and 4 million of your buddies took a shit on the long American tradition of respecting the peaceful transfer of power to a different party.

What other American traditions are you and your buddies planning to take a shit on?
5/20/17, 3:59 PM

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

“Any who, I bet she’ll be less sloppy in future threads.”

You must be relatively new here. Goose-stepping Progs get dribbled like basketballs in these pages.

Sprezzatura said...

April of 2008,

And you?

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

gadfly,

IIRC, the surname was Drumpf, not Trumpf.

Inga,

For the umpteenth time, the reason that Trump (and many others, though he's the only one now remembered) said that Obama was born in Kenya is that Obama's publisher said that Obama was born in Kenya. (Also his Columbia student ID, IIRC, but the publisher was the one that mattered.) Just as people accused Hilary/"Hilaria" Baldwin of saying that she was born in Spain because her publisher said she was born in Spain. (Again, there was a lot of other info also there, including her, what, dozen or so interviews with Hola! --sorry, no upside-down exclamation points here -- and the like, but the publisher was the biggest one.)

Forgive my ignorance, but aren't the people tasked with editing entire book manuscripts to be trusted to get the info on the frakkin' back cover correct? Or what? The only part of the book most people will ever read is the one bit we entrust entirely to moronic interns on their first day at work?

Kansas Scout said...

The idea that This guy has any credibility that we should take him seriously is laughable. Democrats are threatening revenge and keep throwing gas on a hot fire. there will be a reckoning alright. it won't be the kind they want

Anonymous said...

Dang, Ahnold is still trying to make it up to Maria Shriver, after diddling the maid.

What do I know about it. I'm just a Proud Boy. American born and bred.

Progressives delenda est.

Michael K said...

Blogger Ray - SoCal said...
Nurses Union kicked his butt and he never recovered went into full Wimp Mode.

If he had picked off his opponents individually, instead he tried them all at once.


It was worse than that. The teachers' union mortgaged their Sacramento headquarters building to get money to spend. Then, like a fool, he scheduled it as a Special Election. Nobody votes in special elections but partisans and advocates. Had he scheduled the propositions for the June primary, they might have won.

Then he surrendered and smoked cigars the rest of his term.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Sprezzatura,

Anywho, I bet she’ll {Freeman Hunt] be less sloppy in future threads.

Or she’ll do what Doc Mike does when he sees that I’m around (like he did in this thread), and run away from particular threads where BS piss poor comments may be called out.


What can you mean? I've been reading Althouse for more than a decade, not every day but nearly so, and I have never seen your name until four or five days ago. How any of us could know to run away because Big Bad Sprezz is on the prowl, so stop it with that egregious "sloppiness" and "piss-poor-ness," I don't know. Or do you mean that Mike knows you from other blogs, and you really have only just shown up here? If so, I ought to tell him not to bring, er, friends like yourself around :-)

FWIW, Freeman Hunt has been both the most consistently sane poster on this thread and a mainstay of this blog for a very long time. She has neither cause nor (IMO) need to apologize to you.

Anonymous said...

One more thing. A few years ago Trump had a fit against Ahnold. Trump was excoriating him.

I got in touch, and told him to leave Arnold alone. People grew up with Arnold. People love his movies. People love Arnold. Let it go. It's form over substance. It's Hollywood illusion. I don't know who Ahnold is. Love his movies though.

Trump let it go. Stopped the tirade. I think Stephen Miller clued him in. (I helped)

FullMoon said...

gadfly said...




So we won't get rid of him because he has always been a psychopath, with a not-very-nice public persona until this was perceived as anti-establishment. But he is not very smart and his weird ideas on trade and dominating other countries brings us to war or economic depression or both. But no matter what the future holds, the Trump Gang will always be loyal sheep.

The only way Donald Trump will leave office in the next eight year will absolutely involve his wearing a toe tag.
2/23/17, 10:03 PM

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

we are all Sarah Connors now

Anonymous said...

"Everybody has come out and condemned the rioting that took place on Wednesday"

I don't. There was no rioting. A million+ people gathered to let Congress know that we are aware of what is happening, and we seek redress.

Our corrupt Capitol City gave us their answer. Ashli Babbitt.

SAY HER NAME.

walter said...

Michelle,
That's reconstituted PB&J/Antideshitter "jabbering".
Anywho...

Bob Smith said...

Another trough dweller self identifies.

Sprezzatura said...

MDT,

As an expert of this blog, you probably know that it’s very easy to change the name that you use here. But, the whatever the name is, it always links back to the account. I’ve had well over a dozen names. Sometimes taking my inspiration from other commenters. For example, Meade once declared me a “liar” so I used that as part of my name for a long time.

Anywho, I go back to April of 2008 when I landed here after being permanently banned from MyDD and TalkLeft because I was too mean to liberals when I trashed HRC.

Anyanywho, is it possible that you don’t have as much info re me as you think you do? You definitely misunderstood me if you think I want Freeman to apologize. I just want her to type things that she can support, rather than typing BS that gives her brain a happy jolt, but is shit re reality and facts.

loudogblog said...

"I'll be back."

JPS said...
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Static Ping said...

I like Arnold as an actor. He has been the star of some of the greatest action movies ever made. He has also done much for the body building and strongman competitions. However, when it comes to actors I am generally wary of accepting their opinion on, well, anything unless they have proven to me that they have expertise in the area. Arnold's time as governor of California should actually give him some expertise on this matter, but he proved to be unprincipled, easily bullied, and ineffective. This is what I actually expected from Trump, by the way, but you never know about these things. So, sorry, I am not going to watch a video by him about politics. He has nothing to offer.

Oh well.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

I think Arnold is trying to save face in Hollywood. I have no personal knowledge, but something tells me that it has become increasingly like East Berlin.

JPS said...

Sprezzatura,

"JPS,

"Why don’t you tell us what institutional actions over the last year are linked to DJT supporters wanting to overturn a legitimate election and therefore our nation/democracy/Constitution, and trash the Capitol of our country?"

If I began by considering the media an institution, as they certainly consider themselves, would you have any idea what I was talking about? Because by and large they're no longer trying to be neutral. They're proud of not being so. But among journalists who are not explicitly conservative, only those so far to the left that they're disgusted with Democrats for not being further left are willing to scrutinize Democrats with the same skepticism they show Republicans.

"If I was less of a jerk,"

Do try. Points for self-awareness, anyway.

Anonymous said...

Arnold Swarzeneggar and Alec Baldwin. Movie stars.

If either one are on a marquee, I'm going to that movie. In their own way, they allow for the suspending of disbelief, so that the viewer becomes a witness to that which is presented on the screen.

Not just a viewer, but a witness. I see it. For 90 minutes, I believe it. The actors ARE who they present themselves on the screen.

News media is the same. A News anchor. Nice suit. Calm and reassuring. Good voice.

The viewer becomes a witness to that which is presented on the screen.





I'm Not Sure said...

Those who don't like Trump much seem to not talk about "an election" nearly as much as they do "a legitimate election". It's almost like they're trying to convince themselves.

Sprezzatura said...

JPS,

So, according to you, the media has, especially over the last year (while DJT was downplaying COVID and suggesting film flam remedies/injections instead of doing what most of the rest of the world did, which is why our country has been shit when comparing re other similar countries (see my link up thread re deaths per 100,000 population if you (like Drago) are living in a information bubble that blocks reality)), exposed liar-DJT and his attempts encourage the destruction of our representative democracy and Constitution, and that’s why DJT’s followers want to destroy our representative democracy and Constitution. Because the MSM warned them? If DJT’s BS had not been identified by the media, then DJT loon followers would not have followed him, according to you.

Got it.

Sprezzatura said...

So much for personal responsibility.

JPS’s argument is that DJT followers have IQs of 60.

That’s their defense for themselves!

Yikes.

Sprezzatura said...

Is it really that hard to say you F-ed up.

Cause you did.

Not saying it only makes you a doubler F-up.

Duh.

Rabel said...

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

"we are all Sarah Connors now"

I'd say John Connors.

JPS said...

Sprezzatura,

"So much for personal responsibility.

JPS’s argument is that DJT followers have IQs of 60.

That’s their defense for themselves!"

That is not my argument. You are tiresome, and unearnedly pleased with yourself.

Sprezzatura said...

“That is not my argument. “

Your argument is exactly that the media showed that DJT was a F-up (e.g. re COVID in America v the world (see my link up thread re deaths per 100,000 population for different countries) when DJT was denying there was a problem and/or pushing film flam remedies/injections), and that made his followers decide that they wanted more of that, they dug in to support F-ed up-ness.

Technically, you’re right that I don’t know exactly how dumb (i.e. the exact IQ level) people need to be such that they fall into this foolish thinking cycle that you are suggesting was their motivation. But really dumb is for sure.

I guess you really showed me.

Sprezzatura said...

The media told you that DJT was shit. Now that it’s finally occurring to some of you (after DJT tries to overturn a legitimate election and therefore destroy our democracy/constitution, and he incites trashing the Capitol) that DJT is shit, you blame the media for pointing out DJT is shit before you realized it because you are mentally slow, or something.

What a shitty selfdefense.

Can none of you do better?

Sprezzatura said...

Personal responsibility.

Admit ya F-ed up. Don’t blame others for you.

Gotta do it.

Sprezzatura said...

If the media tells you it’s not a good idea to jump off a cliff, and that makes you decide to jump off a cliff and die, it’s a stretch to blame the media for your poor decision when you ignored the warning.

Just sayin’

Ken B said...

Trump lost, he lost the house, he lost the senate. No sitting President has done that since Hoover. That,s losing. So much losing you'll get sick of all the losing. Trumpkins need to accept that. The election was close. But you lost.

The Crack Emcee said...

Fuck off, Arnie.

The Crack Emcee said...

"I grew up in the ruins of a country that suffered the loss of its democracy..." that's why I have the authority to cheat on my wife, fuck my ugly maid, and then deny the kid is mine for decades.

It's all about ethics.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ken B said...

"Trump lost, he lost the house, he lost the senate. No sitting President has done that since Hoover. That,s losing. So much losing you'll get sick of all the losing. Trumpkins need to accept that. The election was close. But you lost."

You don't know what you're talking about.

Known Unknown said...

"re COVID in America v the world (see my link up thread re deaths per 100,000 population for different countries)"

Remove New Jersey and New York and see how the numbers stack up. Seems like a handful of Governors f-ed up.

Readering said...

The crack emcee and known unknown. Get together and buy a newspaper. Lots of up to date info.

Anonymous said...

Years ago, Antifa began blocking streets in Portland, OR. If you tried to break their blockade, they attacked your vehicle and you, if they could get ahold of you. Some elderly drivers had no idea what to do when faced with masked terrorists blocking the street. Those elderly people tried to flee, and were attacked and beaten.

The Proud Boys began as an antidote to Antifa. The news media immediately labeled them 'far-right' and 'racists'. What did Nancy Pelosi and the news media call the Tea Party? Far-right and racists. What did Democrats and the news media call Newt Gingrich's Republican Revolution in 1994? First it was 'America had a temper tantrum', but then it was far-right and racist.

Are you seeing the theme here?

I'm a Proud Boy. By June you are going to wish there were a million more. You will need to become a Proud Boy. BTW......

Ashli Babbitt. Say her name.




Readering said...

Proud boy? Good to know.

ngtrains said...

Maybe i misuserderstand the whole point he was making.

But when was Sudtria a democracy? Was it ever?
They had a king - or at least royalty.

Unknown said...

German guy pretends to confuse

Kristallnacht

with

Reichstag fire

Everything is Fake and Gay

Terry Ott said...

This little chat by Arnold seems inconsequential. But one day we will learn that we've just witnessed the initial step in resuming his political journey. He’s a natural pick to be the first Senator representing the great state of Puerto Rico.

Rusty said...

JPS said...
"Sprezzatura,

"So much for personal responsibility.

JPS’s argument is that DJT followers have IQs of 60.

That’s their defense for themselves!"

That is not my argument. You are tiresome, and unearnedly pleased with yourself."

ritmo is back.

Butkus51 said...

His father was an early member of the Nazi party. Thank your papa.

mtrobertslaw said...

A good speech and delivered well. There is only one problem--it was aimed at the wrong target.

mtrobertslaw said...

I guess I should not be surprised that not a single progressive leftist has expressed any concern over the execution of the poor woman in the Capital Building, not even Mr. Empathy himself. "Execution" you say, "there is no such evidence." For those who believe this, take look at the video that clearly shows the shooter very carefully taking aim before he shoots her as she stands in the hallway.

Unknown said...

cassandra lite said...
So says the guy whose father voluntary joined the Nazi Party in Austria six months before Kristallnacht, at a time when party membership was declining there.

1/10/21, 11:17 AM

Arnold's post was more about his family's guilt and trying to use the event as way to "cleanse" the stain in his history.

ken in tx said...

About HS students not knowing Nazi history. They don't. They didn't when I was there in the 60s either. I suspect that most Americans who know anything about Nazis learned it from paperback books bought from airport book stands.And movies.

Kirk Parker said...

Some of us -- the sane ones, which definitely leave out Sprezz -- can recall that when Trump ran in 2016, he not only had to run against the Dems but also against a very large part of the GOPe. No, it's not hard in the slightest for me to imagine that some current R officeholders might secretly or openly work against him.

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