UPDATE: Rudy Giuliani holds a press conference, explaining the lawsuits and citing the evidence.Important News Conference today by lawyers on a very clear and viable path to victory. Pieces are very nicely falling into place. RNC at 12:00 P.M.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 19, 2020
November 19, 2020
"Important News Conference today by lawyers on a very clear and viable path to victory. Pieces are very nicely falling into place."
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Even Joe doesn’t know that. He can’t even remember his meetings with Burisma executives where he was photographed with them and his crackhead son!
The overvote was alleged to have been as high as 350% in some jurisdictions.. that is fucking insane if true
Wasn't able to watch, but what has been posted here sounds good.
However. What are the next steps. If these are specific crimes alleged, is there any way to get them ajudicated in a timely manner? There certainly won't be any media pressure, can't all the defendants just slow-roll until it is moot?
Rudy just utterly destroyed Readering's "Courts 1-29 against" bullshit.
Tim in Vermont,
That doc compares presidential votes cast in 2020 to expected votes.
It does not say anything about the number of registered voters as of Election Day in 2020.
This was largely a mail-in voting election due to Covid.
Does anyone have the data about the number of voters in these precincts as of Election Day?
I’m pretty sure I got a glimpse of a tentacle appearing from behind Powell at one point.
Readering is in the back screeching about 29 cases being dropped and lying.
Rudy is letting the media have it now.
The media is now on notice.
They have skin in the game now.
I just tried to watch this, which others mentioned above.
https://rsbnetwork.com/2020/11/live-trump-campaign-legal-team-holds-press-conference-in-dc-11-19-20/
They have an embedded YouTube link. I clicked on it, got to the embedded YouTube video, and shortly thereafter got a 'host error.' I've never seen this with a YouTube video before.
I tried again and got a better link this time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQCdCSDWQQ&feature=emb_logo
That's the URL for the YouTube video.
The YouTube channel is "Right Side Broadcasting Network".
LIVE: Trump Campaign Legal Team Holds Press Conference in DC 11/19/20
Andy McCarthy is not impressed.
Raw vote totals reported as floats?
Try this in a computer science class and see what kind of derisive comments the prof makes, most likely he would make an example of you to the class to really drive the point home what a no no that is.
"No punches being pulled. They’ve gone DEFCON 1."
IMHO, they're about at DEFCON 3 (understand why you would say "1", because we've never seen anything like that before).
DEFCON 2 - cases go to multiple courts, state legislatures, and governors, with DJT attempting to calm everyone down ;) with dozens of tweets per day.
DEFCON 1 - DJT refuses to leave office and/or Election thrown to House and/or President Nancy and/or simulation freezes up and we all awake in our pods.
320Busdriver said...
The overvote was alleged to have been as high as 350% in some jurisdictions.. that is fucking insane if true.
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Wow, I missed that part. Going to have to watch all of this when it gets uploaded somewhere.
“Don't forget that Kavenaugh, Roberts and Barrett were all on Bush's legal team making the original equal treatment argument in 2000.”
“Does anyone think that PDJT did NOT have this in mind when he nominated Kavenaugh and Barrett?”
I count Gorsuch as solid, because I lived through the era when his mother, Ann, led the CO House Crazies. They were willing to burn down the government to save the state, from excess regulations. Reagan brought her to DC to do her hatchet work on the EPA - something that President Trump would have applauded in his first term. My mother, a moderate Republican, was active in state politics at the time (state legislative chair and chief lobbyist for the League of Communist Women (LWV)), and despised Gorsuch. She gave Republicans a bad name. Looking back, Gorsuch was just ahead of her time. She would have happily joined the TEA party, and worked for Trump, having been one of Reagan’s few picks who stayed the course, until run out of DC, and back to CO. I have a very hard time believing that her son, Neil, would vote for a Biden Presidency, esp seeing how well Trump has been fighting for her mother’s dream.
My worry is about Roberts and Kavenaugh. Both have had their mushy moments on the High Court. Barrett has always seemed solid (which, of course, is not always predictive). But it was pointed out yesterday somewhere that in her confirmation she responded to some inane question on I believe, COVID-19, essentially asserting judicial notice. Not everything needs to be explicitly proven in court, if it is well enough known by the community. I take that to mean that she would be moved by statistical proof of massive Dem cheating, instead of getting down in the weeds, and trying to determine whether or not there had been enough proven cheating to throw out the votes from the big Dem cities where it occurred. (And, esp from the comments here, that is exactly where the left wants them to go - into the weeds, where proof of enough cheating to swing the election is not practical in the short time we have).
An overvote is when a voter marks two (or more) candidates for the same race on a ballot. (An undervote is when a voter leaves a race on the ballot blank).
I don’t get this “simulation” thing. It seems like it is really a way to say “I am not stupid enough to believe in God like you other losers, but I believe in something that walks like a God, and quacks like a God...”
I much prefer straight up theists, who have my respect, as long as they don’t try to prove their beliefs with logical slight of hand.
Here is a link for Daskol if he is reading. It concerns Shiva Ayyadurai's analysis of counties in Michigan. In the link, William Briggs uses the same idea I used to cast aspersion on the analysis- that at 100% straight Republican ticket voting, the y value must be less than zero.
However, a commenter at the link pointed out a mistake that Briggs might have made which would be a mistake I made, too- that the x-axes are not the ratio of straight R ticket votes divided by total number of votes, but is, instead, the ratio of straight R ticket votes divided by all straight party votes- i.e. Straight R/(Straight R + Straight D + Straight). This is a significant mistake if Briggs and I are wrong.
I am now unsure how this affects the analysis. Needs some thought, and definitely needs some clarification from Shiva himself.
"Andy McCarthy is not impressed."
I moved to Newsmax last week. I watched this on Fox, mostly cause I wanted to see if Cavuto would cut away again.
That allowed me to see McCarthy lie almost instantly. He simply perpetuated the lie that any of Trump's lawsuits have been dismissed by the courts. Rudy stated outright that they have not, that the cases that brazen liars like Readering have been lying about that have been dismissed were by private citizens who filed them before the election, dismissed mainly due to lack of standing.
I used to have respect for McCarthy too. May he also die in a fire along with the rest of the traitors. Back to Newsmax.
Pennsylvania and Illinois have about the same population (Pennsylvania is slightly more populous).
Biden got 3,410,000 votes in Illinois. Biden got 3,450,000 million votes in Pennsylvania.
Chuck, readering, and Inga. National Review’s future demographic. Two of them will stop reading as soon as Trump fades from the scene.
Censorship is going to be broken.
One way or the other.
Chamber of Cucks are demanding that Trump concede. This is my shocked face 8^0
What will happen is the election will be thrown into the House of Representatives.
The elections of 1800 and 1824 did not produce winners in the Electoral College and were decided by the House. Thomas Jefferson was chosen in 1800 and John Quincy Adams in 1824.
Each state's representatives have ONE VOTE. House delegations from each state meet to decide how to cast their single vote. There are more Republican majority states than Democrat.
Hence Trump wins!
And the Senate stays Republican.... tough nuts Dems.
Blogger mccullough said...
"Pennsylvania and Illinois have about the same population (Pennsylvania is slightly more populous).
Biden got 3,410,000 votes in Illinois. Biden got 3,450,000 million votes in Pennsylvania."
You, of course know, that Illinois is the most corrupt state in the Union, right? Wanna take a wild stab at how it got that way? I'm guessing Penn. is vying for the number two spot.
In other Illinois news Michael Madigan's close associate and advisor was just indicted for corruption.
McCarthy is a fopdoodle...next
If Chuck the c#*t doesn't show up any more we'll know he was caught manufacturing votes. Wouldn't put anything past that guy.
Try this: Go to Fox News website. See an article about the conference already up.
Now go to the web pages of ABC News, NBC News, CBS and CNN. According to the front page of every one of them, the conference didn't even happen.
What ARE they saying? Well, here's one of the main up front articles on the ABC News page:
"Dominion employees latest to face threats, harassment in wake of Trump conspiracy"
"The voting machine company that has faced two weeks of false fraud claims from President Donald Trump told ABC News Wednesday their employees have been the subject of threats and online harassment -- the latest sign that Trump's freewheeling online rhetoric has real-world consequences."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dominion-employees-latest-face-threats-harassment-wake-trump/story?id=74288442&cid=clicksource_4380645_4_three_posts_card_hed
Wayne County Republicans sign affidavits of threats and harassment, no coverage. News conference, no coverage. Dominion employees, who would go to jail if Sydney has the evidence, claim *they* are being threatened, and that gets front page treatment.
Stalin and Goering are in hell railing against their media lickspittles for being absolute slackers compared to this.
mccullough said...
Pennsylvania and Illinois have about the same population (Pennsylvania is slightly more populous).
Biden got 3,410,000 votes in Illinois. Biden got 3,450,000 million votes in Pennsylvania.
How many votes did Trump get in both states?
Were turnout patterns relatively similar?
Rudy claimed that in some precincts the vote total exceeded the entire population of the precinct, kids and all.
I don't doubt that Trump lost NV, AZ and GA due to malicious, illegal ballot creation by small time [likely union thugs and postal workers].
How hard would it have been to scour the cities for unclaimed ballots which were mailed to all registered voters? All it would take would be 50 perps in each state to garner about 1,000 each [over a 2-3 month period] and viola Biden has 50,000 extra votes in AZ, GA & NV and that is plenty to give him each of those 3 states.
I suspect the same thing happened in PA - but how can it be proven.
Rudy has lost his fastball and I love Sydney Powell but going off on Venezuela and Maduro seems like a lost conspiracy cause.
@Paul (11/19/20, 12:59 PM)
1800 was before the 12th Amendment, and 1824 had four candidates getting electoral college votes so that no one had a majority of the votes cast.
It's not at all clear to me what happens if someone gets a majority of the electoral college votes actually certified and cast, but that number is less than 270. I think it's arguable that you only need a majority of the certified Electors.
Of course, then we get into the weeds of who determines which electors are valid, if the Secretary of State of a state decides differently than the courts do...
Turnout in Illinois was much lower than in Pennsylvania.
Illinois is not a swing state. So no incentive for Trump to get out the vote there.
I just checked yesterday - Trump got 3,361,603 votes in PA. So he is about 83,000 behind Biden.
The Libertarian candidate got 78,979 and the Dems kept the Green Party off the ticket which probably won the state for Biden.
So that is a total of 6,884,000 votes for Prez and that represents about 54% of the total population in PA.
I checked LA county election site and found that in just that area 3.4 M votes were by mail as compared to .89M votes cast at a vote center.
What could go wrong ?
Hugo Chavez has been dead for almost 8 years.
“Rudy claimed”
It’s easy to provide the population of a precinct, the number of registered voters, and the number of votes cast in the election.
Rudy is lazy.
Blogger readering said..."...Trump has dismissed his Michigan lawsuit since it's clear he won't getting anything from the court. 11/19/20, 10:13 AM
Trying to understand where you are going with such a statement? Trump needs the local judges to dismiss his lawsuit, which happened, so that he can appeal to higher courts. This will end up in SCOTUS, after Trump appeals through the Federal Appellate Court process.
Blogger readering said..."...Trump has dismissed his Michigan lawsuit since it's clear he won't getting anything from the court. 11/19/20, 10:13 AM
Trying to understand where you are going with such a statement? Trump needs the local judges to dismiss his lawsuit, which happened, so that he can appeal to higher courts. This will end up in SCOTUS, after Trump appeals through the Federal Appellate Court process. Just look at the 2000 legal wrangling process.
It's going to be interesting to witness the usual suspects trying to parse this. I'm betting there is going to be a lot of Bagdad Bobbing.
mccullough said...
Pennsylvania and Illinois have about the same population (Pennsylvania is slightly more populous).
Biden got 3,410,000 votes in Illinois. Biden got 3,450,000 million votes in Pennsylvania.
Wait. Are you trying to use this as a DEFENSE of the election results?
"Hey, PA, a purple State with a GOP Legislature and 1/2 the Congress members (and 1/2 the Senators) GOP only voted slightly more for Biden than did the Democrat stronghold of IL, so that vote must be totally legit!"
THAT is your defense? Are you insane?
If I assume 75% of the PA population is 18 or olde and use that as the eligible voter denominator for the total population, 72% of residents of voting age voted in PA. That is an extremely high number.
And for Scott Adams, if you are watching, you said that there is fraud in ALL elections and always has been.
And this is why you must win bigly or it's a mess. Like this.
Greg:
PA's being classed as a purple or swing state is only recent. It had only voted for one Repub for president since Reagan in 1984 I think and that one was Trump in 2016.
Trump voluntarily dismissed, so not appealable.
Blogger mccullough said...
Turnout in Illinois was much lower than in Pennsylvania.
Illinois is not a swing state. So no incentive for Trump to get out the vote there.
1: How was turnout in CA and NY, two very much "non-swing States"?
2: The point you're trying to avoid is that one reason the "turnout" is so high in WI, MI and PA is the fraudulent creation of votes to steal the election. You're literally arguing that one of the vote fraud tools is "proof" that vote fraud didn't take place.
Try again
All the willfully ignorant Leftist Collectivists are mildly annoying
One wonders if the message discipline they achieve will translate to combat readiness.
"Hugo Chavez has been dead for almost 8 years.”
When was the last fair election in Venezuela? Should we really be using their election software?
I'm Full of Soup said...
Greg:
PA's being classed as a purple or swing state is only recent. It had only voted for one Repub for president since Reagan in 1984 I think and that one was Trump in 2016.
Soup, from at last 1961 to the present, PA has had at least one GOP Senator every year, other than the brief time between when Specter switched to the Dems, and was then voted out of office. It had a GOP Legislature and Governor from 2010 - 2018, and still has the GOP Legislature.
It has often been a "Demish" purple, but it's been far more Republican than IL.
I watched on C-Span.org live. Looks like it's still available there.
If you would like to, you can buy back our bet for $10 until 6pm tomorrow.
Otherwise it will be $15 payable upon pdjt's re-inauguration.
Let me know what you would like to do.
John Henry
Greg- as a lifelong PA resident, I agree PA is way less liberal Dem than IL.
The bet that interests me is which of the maskless lawyers at the press conference contracts covid first.
Less than half of voters say Trump should concede immediately.
Press conference -
https://youtu.be/buQCdCSDWQQ
Turnout is higher in swing states in a mail-in election.
Trump increased his vote total in Pennsylvania by 16% over 2016.
Readering said...
The bet that interests me is which of the maskless lawyers at the press conference contracts covid first.
The pure animal level logic behind this kind of statement is fascinating.
“Never concede under any circumstances!” - Hillary Clinton.
It was interesting to hear Giuliani reference Wisconsin’s ethical, progressive past when speaking to Wisconsin law regarding mail in and absentee ballots.
Madison has turned us backward. Such a shame after all the Walker progress. But now it seems Walker’s defeat and the late Milwaukee Evers dump in 2018 is how Madison gave us such an incompetent Governor.
Madison will probably be ok. They have a forced influx of money though State Gov’t and UW Tuition. But Milwaukee is going to miss the outside money spent there. I’ve partied and dropped a lot in Milwaukee. Not anymore, and I’m sure I’m not alone.
Blogger John henry said...
If you would like to, you can buy back our bet for $10 until 6pm tomorrow.
Otherwise it will be $15 payable upon pdjt's re-inauguration.
Let me know what you would like to do.
John Henry
You’re talking about your bet with me, I take it. When Biden is inaugurated, you’ll pay what you owe me to the Althouse blog.
And then I’ll really try to make things uncomfortable for you.
Trump increased is vote total in California by 22% over 2016.
I think if we can get a full re-vote with actual solid voter integrity rules in place, Trump wins at least 410 electoral votes. Maybe even 49 states, like both Nixon and Reagan managed (the last two non-swamp Republican Presidents that ran for re-election).
I always knew the line "If it isn't close, they can't cheat" was a complete non-sequitur. The potential margin of fraud is 100%. It always is.
Trumpet increased his vote total in Illinois by 13% over 2016.
Mandrewa, thanks for that link. I wonder how this will all turn out? We all know the fix was in. Proving it is the issue.
Rich (AKA Sergeant Shults) " I see nothing, nothing!
Trump increased his vote total in Michigan by 16% over 2016.
Shorter Scott Adams: Democrats thought Trump an existential threat so must they have tried to steal the election.
But what did Republicans think of Biden and the squad?
Minnesota is so corrupt people have just given up on it.
And then I’ll really try to make things uncomfortable for you.
Just seeing your bullshit comments makes me uncomfortable. What a liar !
"Gusty Winds said...
Madison will probably be ok. They have a forced influx of money though State Gov’t and UW Tuition."
It's more than that. The UW get's almost $1/2 billion in state revenue.
Trump increased his vote total in Wisconsin by 15% over 2016.
"But what did Republicans think of Biden”
That there is tons of evidence that Biden is on the take from places like Ukraine and communist China. “The squad” is entertainment, like of like you.
Aren’t you the guy who thinks that Mueller didn’t look hard enough to find out how the Russians stole the election?
"Chuck said...
And then I’ll really try to make things uncomfortable for you."
No one is afraid of you Chuck. You're a eunuch. A cuck.
Trump increased his vote total in Georgia by 18% over 2016.
Trump increased his vote total in Arizona by 33% over 2016.
Trump increased his vote total in North Carolina by 22% over 2016.
It’s so weird that it looks like a red wave election everywhere but in swing states. They likely stole the Senate seat in Michigan too.
mccullough, are you using these figures to convince us that voter fraud *didn't* take place? Because seriously, you're making an awesome statistical impossibility case for the prosecution.
Georgia's last election had a 3.5% mail in ballot rejection rate. This year? 0.3%.
Explain to me how that is NOT proof that all voter integrity standards were completely disregarded, and what possible reason there could be to do that that doesn't involve fraud. And no, there is nothing whatsoever about COVID that makes that legitimate.
readering said... [hush][hide comment]
I'm so excited . . . .
you lubin' and "toobin"...
Anyone else notice how smoothly readering ignored the exposure of his 1-29 court case bullshit, and just moved on to the next set of lies?
Trump’s vote totals increased by 17% nationally over 2016.
"But what did Republicans think of Biden and the squad?"
They're not impressed and figured they would beat Biden at the ballot box. Democrats must not have thought the same about Trump, what with all the cheating they felt they needed to do.
So tell me...
All I hear from Democrats is that there was no cheating and if there was, it wasn't enough to make a difference. If it wouldn't make a difference, why do it? Also, there are plenty of Democrats who would like to get lawsuits dismissed and just move on. Where are the ones who are concerned about ensuring that the vote count is accurate? Are there any?
Just wondering...
Where people socially distanced when they thought it was a Fetal-American, now the facts speak to truth that it was, in fact, a baby. Four more years to repair the Obama/Biden legacy of wars, coups, CAIR (social justice adventurism), influence peddling, Obamamacares, Green shifting/obfuscation, diversity and exclusion, political congruence, progressive prices, protests, and Harris et al prosecutorial excess.
I am old enough to remember when Karl Rove had a shit fit in 2000 when they lost PA because all of his numbers there said he should have won, now he is talking about conspiracy theories on Fox News. Or so I hear, I don’t watch the quisling channel.
There were 8 million votes for third-party presidential candidates in 2016.
There were 2.6 million votes for third-party presidential candidates in 2020.
McCullough's % reports are convincing me mass fraud did occur in the 6-7 states. When Dems saw how many votes Trump was getting, they had to amp up their production of phony ballots.
Watching from the beginning and Giuliani is doing well. Whoever set up the lights over did it.
Also hell I am just going to say it— the media is talking about how all of the good lawyers quit the team, or quit the effort in other states as if this is proof of the validity of the cases.
Well I remember reading about that as it happened, and it occurred after—or in the environment of the Jake Tapper tweet that threatened those working for Trump about their future employment prospects.
Maybe it was just pure coincidence but maybe Tapper should be held accountable for making such an undemocratic, mob mentality tweet. If he lived in China under the “social credit” scheme maybe he would have an inkling of just how gross his Tweet was.
If CNN was a fair real journalistic organization he would be fired but they are thugs so he is high on their totem.
“Raw vote totals reported as floats?”
“Try this in a computer science class and see what kind of derisive comments the prof makes, most likely he would make an example of you to the class to really drive the point home what a no no that is.”
Agree 100%. Never actually taught CS, but worked professionally in the field for 15 years, and tutored and TA’d enough CS students to know that I never wanted to try to teach them. Closest analogy in my work was on the 1980 Decennial Census. All of the counting was done in FORTRAN using integers. FORTRAN defaulted some variable names to floating point. Most of the programmers in our division used “Implicit Integer (A-Z)” to make sure that there were no floating point numbers utilized. But some of us, the purists, who insisted on every variable being explicitly declared, went with “Implicit Double Complex (A-Z)”, guaranteeing that any use of an undeclared variable would be immediately flagged by the compiler as requiring an impossible type conversion. (Regular integers worked just fine because we were running on 36 bit Sperry Univac computers that provided a range of +/- 34,359,738,367, which was more than sufficient to count the population).
I will add that we were appalled at the suggestion by a political appointee that we utilize PL/1, that used similar implicit variable typing rules, but hid much of what it was doing, doing expensive variable conversions Willy Nilly. You could find yourself in a position where there had been integer to floating point conversions, floating point calculations, then conversion back to integer. All hidden from the user.
The technical reason that floating point is so problematic is first that you lose range due to part of the numbers held in variables being dedicated to exponents. But then, even if you theoretically have enough bits left in the mantissa to do the arithmetic, floating point circuitry is supposed to adjust floating point numbers by shifting until they have equal exponents before adding or subtracting the mantissas. It doesn’t always work. The lower bits can be off by one or two, acceptable, because the upper order bits are the important ones in floating point numbers. In particular, you don’t want to add or subtract numbers with very different normalized exponents. I had an inventor file a bunch of patents for minimizing resulting floating point inaccuracies when calculating mathematical functions. He understood the operation well enough to minimize adding and subtracting floating point numbers with greatly differing normalized exponents.
As an OC aside, an integer stored in an N-bit long variable in memory or a register is typically stored as an N-1 bit integer value, plus a sign bit. Hence my example above for 36 bit hardware. But floating point numbers are typically stored with the N-bit variable split between K-bits of mantissa and L-bits of exponent (K+L=N). Both can lose a bit to sign, or either or both can be biased, which works out effectively the same. Since everything is binary, you can left shift the mantissa 1 bit (or 3 or 4), while decrementing the exponent by one. You can do that until the leading bit is a “1”, at which time, the number is considered “normalized”. You want to use normalized numbers for multiplication and division. Many architectures do that automatically (and you can thus often force it by multiplying by 1.0). Addition and subtraction require that exponents be equal. This is accomplished by right, typically end off, shifting the mantissa bits on the smaller magnitude number until its exponent can be incremented to be equal to that of the larger number. What happens though if the larger number wasn’t normalized (often the case of addition and subtraction)? Critical mantissa bits can and will be, in many architectures, shifted off of the smaller number. So, even if theoretically you have enough mantissa bits in a floating point variable to calculate votes (or population) correctly, you can still get the wrong answer using floating point arithmetic.
I can’t figure out why, if the vote counters were totally on the up and up, they worked so hard to deny access to observers. It’s a mystery, not it’s not, it shows consciousness of guilt.
"Also hell I am just going to say it— the media is talking about how all of the good lawyers quit the team, or quit the effort in other states as if this is proof of the validity of the cases."
Rudy exposed this as a complete and utter lie near the end of the conference. The cases that were dismissed were not filed by the Trump team, they were filed by private citizens *before* the election, and were mostly dismissed due to standing.
And as for lawyers quitting, many have cited threats to their families, but the only threats the media cares about are alleged threats against Dominion employees. Threats by conservatives attested to in legal affidavits under penalty of perjury? Didn't happen. At all. In fact, they're now arguing that Trump threatened the Wayne County WI Republicans.
*Threats against conservatives, I meant.
In a situation like this perhaps one of the bigger weaknesses with many Conservatives is that, by our very nature, we dislike extremes and often we dislike rocking the boat.
This has been a very chaotic year, perhaps the most chaotic since WWII. We've had a pandemic, riots, and social unrest. Now we have the prospect of a stolen election on top of all that? My strong suspicion is that many (not all, mind you) Republicans, Conservatives, and Trump supporters may not want this fight at this time. It's just a general sense I have and I may be wrong. And of course the MSM and the Democrats (BIRM) are counting on Conservatives being too tired of fighting.
So it's been, what, 2+ hours since the press conference. I just took a look at the landing page from the major new networks. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, NPR, Fox News, MSNBC.
Only Fox had this front and center. MSNBC had a small blurb in which Chuck Todd said it was good SNL material. The rest of them had no mention of the biggest crime in American history. Nothing. Nada. They all had big news blaring that the CDC wants us to not see family this Thanksgiving.
Our press has gone so far down the useless trail, I do not see any coming back from this. Those 'major' news networks are done within a few years. What cannot be supported, will not continue.
Jonathan Turley: “There has not been a clear presentation of concrete evidence. While Ellis calls this the ‘opening statement,”’we are approaching the certification stage and running out of time for this evidence.”
And as for lawyers quitting, many have cited threats to their families, but the only threats the media cares about are alleged threats against Dominion employees. Threats by conservatives attested to in legal affidavits under penalty of perjury? Didn't happen. At all. In fact, they're now arguing that Trump threatened the Wayne County WI Republicans.
11/19/20, 2:21 PM
Blogger Qwinn said...
*Threats against conservatives, I meant.
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Did not even know about the threats to their families but it matches the thuggery and tactics by BLM on display in the streets and towards people simply trying to eat in a restaurant.
Thanks to our blogger Ann Althouse for posting this—I would have completely missed it.
Blogger Carol said...
And this is why you must win bigly or it's a mess. Like this.
No, you don't. You have to run a elections in a way that they cannot be cheated. Like we used to in Puerto Rico.
1) In person voting on election day. (With a very few exceptions) Limited poll hours. 6 hrs in PR
2) Fraud resistant voter ID cards. Not just photo ID but voter ID card.
3) Paper ballots, marked with pencil/pen
4) Hand counted at the polling place.
5) Finger dipped in wavelength specific UV ink.
I once joked to someone that "My father was a Republican all his life. He's voted Democrat ever since" and they could not understand what I was talking about. Voting fraud is not just impossible in PR, it is unimaginable. Which is why we get 80% turnout. mPeople trust the elections, even if they don't trust the politicians.
Have you ever completely trusted your elections? whatever city/county/state you live in. Or have you just gone along with accepting some level of fraud?
John Henry
"Thanks to our blogger Ann Althouse for posting this—I would have completely missed it."
I agree. Thank you, Ann. I mean, what's freaking me out is that I haven't even seen the conference mentioned on Instapundit yet. What is going on?
I don't believe Dems are inherently more evil or more likely to cheat than Repubs are. It's a matter of opportunity: election shenanigans are much easier accomplished in big cities than in rural areas. (And Democrats have run big cities for decades.)
Earnest Prole said...
Jonathan Turley: “There has not been a clear presentation of concrete evidence. While Ellis calls this the ‘opening statement,”’we are approaching the certification stage and running out of time for this evidence.”
..........
I would counter to Turley in the interest of fairness, that in the environment of a pandemic many laws were changed at the last minute, many voting methods were expanded, many voting times were extended, many return times were widened, and expanded time of counting and return of ballots was given.
The great change to the process of the election, and the fact that we are still in the environment of a pandemic, with pandemic law used as an excuse to keep the observation process of the vote count from being fair and balanced and also used as a barrier to gathering evidence — an extension of time should then be rightly given to balance all of the changes, moving parts and very extension of time given on one side of the process.
Turley is being unjust. He is completely ignoring or willfully ignoring all of the changes and extensions that proceeded the point we are at now.
This election was unlike all other elections, the process to unravel it is also going to be greatly altered in an equivalent manner.
Did they crown the wrong princess?
https://twitter.com/L_A_Baker/status/1329524101023735815
"I don't believe Dems are inherently more evil or more likely to cheat than Repubs are."
How many Republican cities experienced riots this year with the approval (or, at least, no noticeable disapproval) of the Republican party?
Haven't seen here the "oopsie!" in Georgia yet where they found that someone "made a mistake" and gave Biden an extra 9 thousand votes. Supposedly the precent was like 1,018 or so to 13 votes, Biden to Trump (so already a rather dubious 99% vote in favor of Biden) but was reported as 10,000 to 13 Biden to Trump.
That count was signed off on by two election workers. Only discovered through Republican party diligence. Apparently no one thought that a 99.9 percent vote favoring Biden was at all unusual.... nor what, a 700% turnout? Ho hum, no fraud here!
"Many Blacks, especially Black males, sat out the 2016 election but did vote in the 2020 election. They accepted the argument that Trump was racist. There was plenty of time and opportunity for ballot harvesters to socially pressure such Black voters to fill in and then hand over their ballots to the ballot harvesters."
Trump increased vote percentages from 2016 with every demographic group save white men.
The only statements that matter are those you make in court under fear of penalty of perjury.
I've been intermittently listening to the Trump campaign legal team press conference today (11/19/2020) and I was surprised to hear that there were precincts in Madison where
Republican poll watchers were not allowed to witness things. That is really something.
I mean Madison has fallen so far if that is true.
It's been a long time since I've lived there, but this is really sad.
Is the Wisconsin State Journal reporting on it? Or is this just not news?
To me, that's a huge problem. If true, it basically means there was election fraud.
And there's nothing much you can do to remedy it, except either revote or alternatively throw all the votes from that precinct. Either of these solutions is bad, but both are better than accepting election fraud and encouraging more of it in the future.
Now I know there are corrupt judges in Dane County that will rule this is all okay.
But do what people in Dane County think? Do most people think this just fine?
Or do they secretly think its fine, while at the same time denying it happened?
Public employees tend to be Democrats, so it would be very hard for Republicans to pull off this kind of fraud. If they could, they would.
Larry Johnson On The Scytl "Raid"
Confirmation Of The Dominion 'Raid'?
Wow. Those faces.
It's not even a subtle manipulation attempt by The Hill.
Why not just draw a Hitler mustache on Trump?
Are the Chinese paying readering by the comment or what?
They ought to have male spokesmen so that it's taken seriously.
Public employees tend to be Democrats, so it would be very hard for Republicans to pull off this kind of fraud. If they could, they would.
Not likely. Republicans tend to be system people and think that the system doesn't work if it's not run honestly.
Democrats are results people, meaning go straight to the result.
I don't believe Dems are inherently more evil or more likely to cheat than Repubs are. It's a matter of opportunity: election shenanigans are much easier accomplished in big cities than in rural areas. (And Democrats have run big cities for decades.)
I teach American History in high school, and I teach about the corrupt party machines run by the Democratic Party in large cities in the 19th and 20th centuries. Why is it so hard to believe they're still around today?
That the clumsy fake ballot clumps happened because the automated fraud counting failed to overcome a Trump landslide accounts for two things that had been individually doubtful, by tying them together.
The clumsy fraud happened as an emergency response to the failure of a clever fraud.
’we are approaching the certification stage and running out of time for this evidence.”
Maybe the Governors of these states could call for a complete lockdown and threaten to arrest people who won't comply to make it even more difficult to prove in the remaining time?
Turley is being unjust. He is completely ignoring or willfully ignoring all of the changes and extensions that proceeded the point we are at now.
I take it you don’t know who Turley is.
He’s supportive of Trump’s legal challenges but knows they will fail without sworn evidence produced before certification deadlines have passed. Frankly, I think Trump’s lawyers know that as well.
RMc said...
I don't believe Dems are inherently more evil or more likely to cheat than Repubs are. It's a matter of opportunity: election shenanigans are much easier accomplished in big cities than in rural areas. (And Democrats have run big cities for decades.)
There is truth to this. Many of the states that bought the Dominion machines and software had Republican officials like Chorenky in AZ that have already resigned for corruption.
The split that you are seeing right now is between people who want a Tribal Spoils System of government and people that want a Republic.
The labels Republican and Democrat are nonsense terms in this disagreement.
Sorry. I just don't see it happening. The fix was in from the start. What makes us think they're going to allow that to change?
Chuck the c#*t said' "And then I’ll really try to make things uncomfortable for you."
No you won't. You're a c#*t and a pussie too.
When Dems saw how many votes Trump was getting, they had to amp up their production of phony ballots.
So who signed the poll books? You can't just make up a ballot, you have to make up a voter. At the end of the day, the number of voters have to match the number of ballots. If there are tens of thousands of fictitious voters it should be easy to figure it out.
If people were stealing ballots out of people's mail boxes we should have thousands and thousands of reports of voters who showed up to the polls to find out someone already sent in their ballot. Where are these people? They should be everywhere.
rhhardin said...
" Public employees tend to be Democrats, so it would be very hard for Republicans to pull off this kind of fraud. If they could, they would."
Not likely. Republicans tend to be system people and think that the system doesn't work if it's not run honestly.
Democrats are results people, meaning go straight to the result.
That is what this is all about in the end.
Are we going to be run by animal level instincts and dominated by who has the power?
Or is there a system of laws and procedures that elevate our discourse to a more civilized level?
"Where are these people?"
Here's one.
A blind woman contacted the I-Team after she said she went to vote, only to find out her ballot had been mailed in without her consent.
https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-team-im-not-going-to-have-this-taken-away-from-me-blind-woman-from-nevada-told-she-already-voted/
Maybe there are more, you think?
Chuck said...
And then I’ll really try to make things uncomfortable for you.
11/19/20, 1:49 PM
You should be a bit more careful about your threats, Charles Randall. Meade will be able to put your address right at the top of the blog if he tires of your nonsense. And an obviously unstable cyberstalker is going to have a lot of skeletons in his closet as well.
take it you don’t know who Turley is.
He’s supportive of Trump’s legal challenges but knows they will fail without sworn evidence produced before certification deadlines have passed. Frankly, I think Trump’s lawyers know that as well.
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If extensions were given for voting and receiving mail in ballots then extensions should be given to deadlines.
Quite simple. It does not matter who Turley is. If you were interested In fairness on both sides of the equation or process that is what you would do.
Pretend you are conducting an experiment if you changed something on one side of the experiment you should balance that change or account for it.
Maybe cooking is the analogy to use. If you add more water to the batter in a recipe —you by that action— then have to increase the temperature or extend the baking time to balance out adding more water to the recipe.
Does that work?
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Clearly, the press seems emboldened by the "success" of the Hunter Biden laptop blackout, and will circle the wagons around Biden on this story as well.
Problem for them is if the massive election fraud is true, then the Hunter Biden laptop strategy actually didn't "succeed", it's just the Democrats cheated the result.
The part about sending votes out of the country to be counted doesn't make any sense. Anything you can do in software can happen anywhere as easily. There's no advantage to overseas for the fraudster.
mccullough said...
Turnout is higher in swing states in a mail-in election.
Trump increased his vote total in Pennsylvania by 16% over 2016.
No kidding? Trump's turnout went up in a State where his opponent promised to wreck the economy by banning fracking?
In 2016 Trump was a "no chance to win" flyer with no record. in 2020 Trump is the incumbent with a record, a record of great economic benefits for the working class voters he said he would help.
Of course his vote totals went up
If extensions were given for voting and receiving mail in ballots then extensions should be given to deadlines.
Sounds like a plan. Since Republicans selected six of the nine Supreme Court justices and Trump selected three himself, it should be a slam dunk. In the event it isn’t there’s always Civil War LARPing.
getting woops error on this post and comments - just sayin
"There's no advantage to overseas for the fraudster."
That's ridiculous. Of course there is. Lack of explicit jurisdiction for any American agency to grab evidence of the fraud.
They may have done so anyway - I hope the good guys did - but it basically turns any evidence collection from being able to be done by law enforcement to require a political fraught military operation.
Sounds like a plan. Since Republicans selected six of the nine Supreme Court justices and Trump selected three himself, it should be a slam dunk. In the event it isn’t there’s always Civil War LARPing.
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I personally despise the Civil War shit.
FL is a State that put together an election system where fraud is hard. Because each county reports how many absentee ballots and early votes were done each day, and reports how many votes have been done at each polling area every 20 minutes on Election Day.
Which means you can't "discover" new ballots as needed.
IIRC, Trump did 50% better among black FL voters in 2020 than he did in 2016.
Now, would you care to try to explain why Trump would have a good improvement with black FL voters, but not have a similar improvement with GA black voters? Next door neighbors, both GOP controlled States, both had tight 2018 gubernatorial races where the black Democrat candidate lost.
One makes fraud hard: Trump does better with black voters
One makes fraud easy: Trump does worse with black voters
Dekalb: 2016: 80.8 - 16.1 (209k - 47k); 2020: 83.1 - 15.8 (308k - 58k)
Fulton: 2016: 69.2 - 27.1 (282k - 110k); 2020: 72.7 - 26.2(381k - 137k)
Biden got 47.34% more votes in Dekalb in 2020 than in 2016,
I pulled numbers from Decision Desk HQ for this year, and Politico for 2016
I put together a spreadsheet, comparing GA, Fulton, Dekalb, and GA - (Fulton + Dekalb)
From 2016 to 2020, Trump's votes went up 19% for the State, 24% for Fulton, 23% for Dekalb, and 18% for the rest of the State
From 2016 to 2020, Biden's votes went up 35% for the State, 35% for Fulton, 47% for Dekalb, and 32% for the rest of the State
If Biden's Dekalb vote totals had gone up the same amount as his Fulton vote totals, he'd have over 25k fewer votes, and Trump would be the acknowledged winner of GA
Combine that will the massive amount of fraud reported for both those counties:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/georgia-recount-witnesses-saw-trump-votes-counted-for-biden-batches-of-suspicious-mail-ballots_3585027.html
And it's clear to anyone willing to look that Trump won GA, and Perdue was over 50%, before teh vote fraud machines went to work.
"If people were stealing ballots out of people's mail boxes we should have thousands and thousands of reports of voters who showed up to the polls to find out someone already sent in their ballot. Where are these people? They should be everywhere."
There are. Especially in PA.
The supplied youtube starts at a bad place, contrived to make it seem like loser whining rather than the laid-out legal opening argument that it is.
This one is better The Independent
D.D. Driver said...
So who signed the poll books? You can't just make up a ballot, you have to make up a voter. At the end of the day, the number of voters have to match the number of ballots. If there are tens of thousands of fictitious voters it should be easy to figure it out.
Why are they locking poll observers out of the places where ballots are being counted?
Here's one.
A blind woman contacted the I-Team after she said she went to vote, only to find out her ballot had been mailed in without her consent.
https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-team-im-not-going-to-have-this-taken-away-from-me-blind-woman-from-nevada-told-she-already-voted/
Maybe there are more, you think?
There should be thousands. You can't steal an election one blind woman at a time.
DD Driver:
In Las Vegas they sent a ballot to everyone on the voter rolls. How many do you think were dead or had moved away? Those are the types of ballots the Dems hoovered up and cast fraudulently.
Up your game Man!
Grace: "The only statements that matter are those you make in court under fear of penalty of perjury."
Quite.
Which is why LLR-lefty Chuck's hero, Adam Schiff-ty, spent years hiding the actual under oath testimony of the hoax impeachment "witnesses" because, under oath, they admitted there was absolutely nothing there.
At all.
Ever.
But these same hacks lied everyday in public which fooled the moron lefties at Althouse like readering, steve uhr, LLR-lefty Chuck, gadfly et al.
"There's no advantage to overseas for the fraudster."
That's ridiculous. Of course there is. Lack of explicit jurisdiction for any American agency to grab evidence of the fraud.
I've worked on client machines in India from my house in Ohio. There's no difference countrywise.
Greg The Class Traitor said...
And it's clear to anyone willing to look that Trump won GA, and Perdue was over 50%, before teh vote fraud machines went to work.
11/19/20, 3:51 PM
Yup. The Rats IMMEDIATELY running as far as they could from "defund the police" shows they're intensely aware of how weak and pathetic their performance really was. The problem is that they can't unring the bell. The NYPD was angry enough to endorse Trump, and now New York sheriffs are openly disregarding King CuomStain's increasingly unhinged orders. Even if the Dems promised to crack down on the "darkies," the cops wouldn't believe them.
So what do you think is going to happen if Donald Trump nationalizes the National Guard and deputizes the NYPD? I'll tell you: the Govnah is going to kill himself just to avoid being dragged screaming to the gallows.
LLR-lefty Chuck: "You’re talking about your bet with me, I take it. When Biden is inaugurated, you’ll pay what you owe me to the Althouse blog.
And then I’ll really try to make things uncomfortable for you."
That's the kind of "tough guy" language Chuck used repeatedly when attacking Barron Trump, accusing Melania of having been an escort and threatening conservative women with physical violence.
D.D. Driver said...
>>When Dems saw how many votes Trump was getting, they had to amp up their production of phony ballots.
So who signed the poll books? You can't just make up a ballot, you have to make up a voter. At the end of the day, the number of voters have to match the number of ballots. If there are tens of thousands of fictitious voters it should be easy to figure it out.
Hey, you actually said something true!
This would be why Trump is demanding that GA do an audit of all the ballot envelopes, for signatures and the like.
The MI affidavits stated that the workers were grabbing random names from the QRF rolls and assigning them to ballots. This would be why we want an audit of the Wayne County voting information. You know, those 71% of precincts where the vote totals and the sign in totals don't match?
You're starting to catchup, here
rhhardin said...
The part about sending votes out of the country to be counted doesn't make any sense. Anything you can do in software can happen anywhere as easily. There's no advantage to overseas for the fraudster.
That was poorly thought out.
Think about audit logs and memory mapping.
Access is king in computer security. If you give a computer to a trained person with all kinds of encryption and security they can open it up eventually.
D.D. Driver said, "So who signed the poll books? You can't just make up a ballot, you have to make up a voter. At the end of the day, the number of voters have to match the number of ballots. If there are tens of thousands of fictitious voters it should be easy to figure it out.
"If people were stealing ballots out of people's mail boxes we should have thousands and thousands of reports of voters who showed up to the polls to find out someone already sent in their ballot. Where are these people? They should be everywhere."
According to Rudy Giulaini they have 15,000 people in Pennsylvania testifying that they did go to their polling station tried to vote and were told they couldn't because they had already voted. All of them of them are willing to testify in court that they had not voted and had not sent in mail-in ballots.
This is one of many things that the press is telling us is "not evidence."
Decoded, in what passes for logic for the logic-challenged that probably means that corrupt judges will decide this is not interesting and these people not will be given a chance to testify in court about their experience. Most people will never hear about it and therefore it "never happened."
Also what you're missing in your analysis is that votes were counted for days after the end of voting on Tuesday and that in the precincts that the Republicans are challenging Republican poll watchers were either not allowed or were present but were kept away, sometimes with physical violence, from where the ballots were being counted.
This gives some of the people doing the vote counting ample opportunity to create ballots and assign them to people who did not vote. And again there are people in multiple states signing affidavits that this is what they actually witnessed happening.
Why are they locking poll observers out of the places where ballots are being counted?
Because "they" aren't. The whole story about observers getting "kicked out" is a hoax. Trump lawyers have had to repeatedly admit that observers were permitted.
On twitter, you can say whatever crazy shit you like. In the court of law, lawyers still have to tell the truth.
I hope the lawyers fighting to hide this fraudulent election argue as well as the fraud lovers here. Those are some weak ass attempts at bullshit. It's not even good bullshit, it's weak ass calf shit at best.
D.D. Driver said...
There should be thousands. You can't steal an election one blind woman at a time.
But what you can do is check registered voter list for people who never voted and vote for them.
But for some reason a lot of people who never voted before did this time.
"There should be thousands. You can't steal an election one blind woman at a time."
Maybe there are. You said "Where are they?" I showed you one and to the sound of moving goalposts, you said "There should be thousands". If one could be found with a three second google search, what makes you think there's not?
Madison will probably be ok. They have a forced influx of money though State Gov’t and UW Tuition.
You are certain these indoctrinating colleges offering not in demand credentials will continue as always? And State Street looks like a scene out of NYC during its low point.
I enjoy how people think litigating the case via press conference (or on this blog) is anything but jousting windmills
Farcical and useless. Just wait unti the photos of Rudy's hair dye running get the late night comedy treatment.
Almost as good as Four Seasons Landscape.
D.D. Driver said...
Why are they locking poll observers out of the places where ballots are being counted?
Because "they" aren't. The whole story about observers getting "kicked out" is a hoax. Trump lawyers have had to repeatedly admit that observers were permitted.
On twitter, you can say whatever crazy shit you like. In the court of law, lawyers still have to tell the truth.
Over 100 people have filed sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury that they were kicked out and removed from areas where counting occured.
That is called direct evidence.
You are not being rational about this.
Powell answered that the server in Germany was in fact taken or secured by someone. She said she didn’t know if it was taken by white hats or black hats. The AP says the server story is false. Which means it must be true.
And Rh is right that the surprise of such large number of Trump votes “ broke” the algorithm which required the overnight dump of mostly fabricated Biden mail ins. Some of which were fed through machines many times.
How does the Soetoro kid fit in this circumstance you ask? https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/hypocrisy_alert_obama_won_first_election_by_challenging_voter_fraud.html
I saw them kick observers out, and so did many others, who reported it, and judges ordered it to stop, but were ignored by some. It was too late by then anyway. Just because a lawyer has to admit that some of their charges are not true doesn't mean they are false. That's what investigations are for, which every honest person should be supporting, unless they simply don't want to know the truth.
rhhardin: "I've worked on client machines in India from my house in Ohio. There's no difference countrywise."
Dude. You're being seriously thick. There may not be a difference as far as operating the machines or software, but there is a massive difference in the jurisdiction of any law enforcement attempt to capture the physical evidence. You can't count on acquiring that kind of evidence remotely. Sometimes the only way is to send in men with rifles who can disconnect and grab the servers before someone takes a hammer to the hard drives.
Decoded, in what passes for logic for the logic-challenged that probably means that corrupt judges will decide this is not interesting and these people not will be given a chance to testify in court about their experience. Most people will never hear about it and therefore it "never happened."
Why would this go away? What you are describing is a major crime. You think that there will be 15,000 felonies, 15,000 criminal complaints and no charges? The Pa attorney general is a Republican.
PA Supreme Court admitted observers were kept 30 yards away from ballot counting yet didn't think that was a problem. What a joke our country is becoming.
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Over 100 people have filed sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury that they were kicked out and removed from areas where counting occured.
Yes-but other GOP poll watchers were still inside. That's what Trumps lawyers have to squeamishly admit.
DD Driver is the newest entry in the "stupid lefties are stupid" contest.
I give shim 3.8/5.0 Ingas.
"The Pa attorney general is a Republican."
What an incredibly fucking lie. Not only is Josh Shapiro a hard core partisan Democrat hand picked and funded by George Soros, but *he was overseeing his own election contest*, and *stated the day before the election that when all votes were counted, Trump would lose*.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pennsylvania-ag-under-fire-for-tweet-that-trump-is-going-to-lose/vi-BB1aDz7y
Mark said...
I enjoy how people think litigating the case via press conference (or on this blog) is anything but jousting windmills
Farcical and useless. Just wait unti the photos of Rudy's hair dye running get the late night comedy treatment.
Almost as good as Four Seasons Landscape.
Is this the extent of your deep thinking?
Did you read your post before you posted it?
Did you think about how someone might juxtapose the content of the press conference being different than court with your obviously extensively researched examination of Rudy Giulliani's hair line and possible attacks by late night comics?
What are you people thinking?
"Did you think about how someone might juxtapose the content of the press conference being different than court with your obviously extensively researched examination of Rudy Giulliani's hair line and possible attacks by late night comics?"
To be fair, he has a point. Late night comics is where some people get their news.
D.D. Driver said...
Over 100 people have filed sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury that they were kicked out and removed from areas where counting occured.
Yes-but other GOP poll watchers were still inside. That's what Trumps lawyers have to squeamishly admit.
At this point you have admitted that the process and laws that we have for holding elections were not followed.
Anyone can call themselves a GOP poll observer. For example Chuck here on this board called himself a GOP poll observer. If you start filtering out observers and only leaving those sympathetic to Joe Biden it does not matter what party they are associated with.
If you do not follow the laws and the processes that everyone agrees to in advance then you are relying on power.
If you use power you make yourself vulnerable to a greater power.
You are not thinking this through at all.
D.D. Driver said...
Why would this go away? What you are describing is a major crime. You think that there will be 15,000 felonies, 15,000 criminal complaints and no charges? The Pa attorney general is a Republican.
o.0 ...
Yeah, I'm sorry "D.D. Driver", but claiming that the PA AG is a Republican means you are *utterly* discredited. That is a colossal lie - I really can't think of a more rabidly partisan Democrat hack than our current AG - and your entire argument relied on that lie.
Why is Chuck still here?
THEOLDMAN
I expect to be suspended from Twitter any minute now.
Niceties and manners have no place in this political. It is war; the shooting has just not started.
Yeah, I'm sorry "D.D. Driver", but claiming that the PA AG is a Republican means you are *utterly* discredited. That is a colossal lie - I really can't think of a more rabidly partisan Democrat hack than our current AG - and your entire argument relied on that lie.
So you honestly think there is evidence of 15,000 felonies but everybody. Every last prosecutor in the state of Pa is just going to drop it and forget it ever happened? Why? A hotshot GOP prosecutor could make a name for him or herself nationally by bringing down the Kraken.
If Giuliani has the goods, something will come of it. If nothing comes of it its because it's all bullshit.
The scat flinging monkey from Michigan returns on the short bus.
Election software should be treated like avionics software: Avionics software is not allowed on a plane until it has been rigorously tested, all quality control checks are complete and all certification paperwork completed. Then a "black" label is slapped on the box, signalling that the box contains flight-qualified, production software. The version in the box can be checked from the box by pressing a few buttons on the box.
The verification process for election software should require observation by Republican and Democrat observers. A test set of ballots should verify that the hardware/software is working correctly and the results bought off by the observers. Once validated, the box should be sealed with a serialized ribbon like you see on a Costco gas pump.
The assumption should be that someone will try and cheat and anti-tamper measures included in the design of the counting hardware/software.
"Did you think about how someone might juxtapose the content of the press conference being different than court with your obviously extensively researched examination of Rudy Giulliani's hair line and possible attacks by late night comics?"
Do you realize how few people are on your side?
America has moved on. Please remove your mouth from Guiliani's kraken and catch up.
Wow, not even the slightest mea culpa over your massive lie. I even linked to the AG practically stating outright that the fix was in. And every single member of the PA Supreme Court are likewise unhinged leftists, the ones who violated the Consitution by illegally modifying election laws. But if THAT combination, the very people who are complicit in the fraud, don't admit to the fraud and don't rule in favor of your "star prosecutor" and send THEMSELVES to prison, that confirms that no fraud occurred?
I'm starting to wear out the following keys on my keyboard: G, O, F, U, C, K, Y, R, S, E and L.
Well now D, D. D. Driver
Well now see, see what you have done
Well now D, D. D. Driver
Well now see, see what you have done
Well, you lied about the vote fraud
Now ol' Sleepy Joe is done
So go, go away now, baby
'Cuz Biden lost this fall
Yeah, go, go away now, baby
'Cuz Biden lost this fall
Don't need no sockpuppet
For Chuck or Inga here at all
Anyone can call themselves a GOP poll observer. For example Chuck here on this board called himself a GOP poll observer. If you start filtering out observers and only leaving those sympathetic to Joe Biden it does not matter what party they are associated with.
Trumps lawyers admitted in open Court that Trump had a "nonzero" number of observers in the room. Why are Trump's lawyers lying to the judge?
Qwinn, my made a mistake about the Pa AG. I certainly would not try to "lie" about something so easy to look up. Cheers!
The Democrat/Media cabal may be able to place Biden in the White House, but Trump will ensure their victory is Pyrrhic. There is more than one way for Trump to win. He can make the cabal wish they had lost.
Trumps lawyers admitted in open Court that Trump had a "nonzero" number of observers in the room. Why are Trump's lawyers lying to the judge?
Ooh, ooh, ooh. Can I play too?
Non-zero does not mean sufficient, and does not mean every location and doesn't not mean every moment and does not mean in a position to actually observe the process.
To be effective the observer has to be able to view any and all counting and canvassing at all times and in such a way as to be able to affirm that the count was accurate. The observers also have to be of such an alignment that two observers support opposite outcomes. Anything other than that is not sufficient poll monitoring.
Has anyone admitted all THAT to be in effect? Or are you going to word-parse more?
Please. Very few people not from PA would know who Josh Shapiro is or that you lied. Like rendering, Chuck and the rest of our resident traitors, you just keep throwing up lie after lie, and if anyone points out your lie, you just move on to new ones. Or do you think no one noticed that, despite having the single statement of fact in your argument - that the PA AG is a Republican - was proved diametrically opposite of the truth, you havent altered your argument one iota?
what
D.D. Driver said, "So you honestly think there is evidence of 15,000 felonies but everybody. Every last prosecutor in the state of Pa is just going to drop it and forget it ever happened?"
I'm not a lawyer, D.D., and my understanding of the details of the law is limited but these 15,000 people are not evenly spread over all of the state of Pennsylvania. They are only to be found in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Therefore we are not talking about all of the prosecutors in Pennsylvania, we are only talking the about those in two cities, both of which are Democratic party strongholds.
Frankly I would be surprised if the prosecutors in either city displayed any interest in these 15,000 felonies, unless there were some way they could sabotage it. But I feel a bit guilty in saying that about Pittsburgh because I know almost nothing about Pittsburgh.
Precisely for that reason I would guess that only in Pittsburgh is there a chance that justice might be done. But the person who determines that is not really the public prosecutor but the judge who will be put in charge.
And such is my faith in left-wing judges that I will be amazed if anything substantive happens. And in any case the character, or lack of it, of left-wing law has already been amply demonstrated by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.
Yes, you, readering. Shall we count how many times you claimed Trump has lost 28 out of 29 cases? Every one of those was by a private citizen, filed *before* the election, and they were dismissed due to lack of standing. Not one of those cases was brought by the Trump team. A massive, staggering lie on your part, you're still pretending you're on the side of truth and light, and you simply moved right on to the next set of lies when Guiliani called your ass out.
D.D. Driver said...
Trumps lawyers admitted in open Court that Trump had a "nonzero" number of observers in the room. Why are Trump's lawyers lying to the judge?
The democrats did not follow the rules agreed to prior to the event. If you don't follow the rules of a process you invalidate the process. The argument that they didn't follow the rules but they let a few observers stay just isn't good enough.
Democrats did not obey the laws governing the process : The process is invalid.
Very simple logic.
Rendering......that was funny!!
to be able to affirm that the count was accurate. The observers also have to be of such an alignment that two observers support opposite outcomes. Anything other than that is not sufficient poll monitoring.
Totally agree with all of this.
The point I was responding to is this: why would they kick out all the republican observers if there weren't committing fraud? The answer to that is because they didn't kick all the republican observers out. That is a hoax. Stop spreading hoaxes.
Now, your broader point is a good one and I completely agree. That being said, I can also think of non-fraudulent reasons why a polling site might enforce stricter capacity and distancing rules. So, I don't accept the capacity and distancing rules to be evidence of fraud in and of itself.
"Do you realize how few people are on your side?"
This was a moronically cuckish thing to say before an election where President Trump increased his vote totals WITHOUT the help of fraud.
It will probably be the last thing Mark screams at the people throwing him into the woodchipper.
The Return to Decency® crowd is tweeting and making fun of Giuliani and the fact that he sweats.
D.D. Driver said...
Why are they locking poll observers out of the places where ballots are being counted?
Because "they" aren't. The whole story about observers getting "kicked out" is a hoax. Trump lawyers have had to repeatedly admit that observers were permitted.
On twitter, you can say whatever crazy shit you like. In the court of law, lawyers still have to tell the truth.
https://greatlakesjc.org/wp-content/uploads/Complaint-Costantino-FINAL-With-Exhibits.pdf?x44644
Testifies that after calling them on vote fraud he was not allowed back in. Testifies that this happened to other observers who actually called them on their fraud.
Philly forced GOP watchers to be so far away they couldn't see anything. in fact, went to court to fight to keep on doing that.
Would you please stop telling the same lie over and over again?
"Rendering......that was funny!!"
Autocorrect changes it to that every time I type it. I have up till now reflexively fixed it every time I've noticed. I now realize that that is far more respect and effort than is deserved, and won't bother going forward.
"That being said, I can also think of non-fraudulent reasons why a polling site might enforce stricter capacity and distancing rules. So, I don't accept the capacity and distancing rules to be evidence of fraud in and of itself."
If you *could* think of such reasons, and they weren't so obviously full of shit that you know they'd be picked apart in seconds, you'd have stated what they are.
D.D. Driver said...
Over 100 people have filed sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury that they were kicked out and removed from areas where counting occured.
Yes-but other GOP poll watchers were still inside. That's what Trumps lawyers have to squeamishly admit.
Gosh, you mean Mitt Romney and "Chuck the LLR" were both inside? I guess that means Trump was fully represented!
They don't get to pick and chose. There was no legitimate reason for excluding ANY of them.
But that's a nice change up, there, DD. "No observers were kicked out! Why are you lying about that!" "Yes, they were." "Ok, not every single observer was kicked out!"
Stop lying
Oh, and one more time - *I* was a PA poll watcher. *I* was not allowed to substantively witness either the in person or mail in ballot counts. And there *were* no other poll watchers for my district who were allowed to watch them (aside from my wife, who was also barred).
I've mentioned this 3 times now, and you just keep on lying.
D.D. Driver said...
Yeah, I'm sorry "D.D. Driver", but claiming that the PA AG is a Republican means you are *utterly* discredited. That is a colossal lie - I really can't think of a more rabidly partisan Democrat hack than our current AG - and your entire argument relied on that lie.
So you honestly think there is evidence of 15,000 felonies but everybody. Every last prosecutor in the state of Pa is just going to drop it and forget it ever happened? Why? A hotshot GOP prosecutor could make a name for him or herself nationally by bringing down the Kraken.
Really? Who are they going to prosecute?
"Some person pretended to vote in my name. I have no idea who, I just know that I tried to vote and was prevented from doing so."
Now, please explain to us how the prosecutor will figure out who to prosecute for this crime. This should be entertaining
Mark said...
Do you realize how few people are on your side?
America has moved on. Please remove your mouth from Guiliani's kraken and catch up.
What people are realizing is how few people are on your side. There is no likely future where Biden has power or assumes control of the executive. One mistake the democrats made was underestimating how many people were going to vote for Trump.
But the biggest mistake was to put Trump and his supporters in a position where they gain nothing from surrendering. This was a huge tactical blunder and will be what dooms them.
D.D. Driver said...
Trumps lawyers admitted in open Court that Trump had a "nonzero" number of observers in the room. Why are Trump's lawyers lying to the judge?
So, just to be clear here:
Like your claim that "the PA AG is a Republican", your claim that "no Trump Observers were kicked out" is false and you're no longer standing by it?
Unless there were enough Trump Observers to watch every single poll worker, which is to say as many Trump watchers as poll workers, then every single one kicked out or excluded was a chance for the Democrats to commit fraud.
And NONE of the exclusions were justified, or in accord with the State law.
Whether or not corrupt "judges" will try to let them get away with it is another question.
So. Georgia has found ~5,000 votes and learned 9,000~ votes for Biden were not real. So... problems growing.
To be fair to DD Driver, shim is really stupid and therefore might not know shim is full of shit and a liar.
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