It's very hard to imagine such a thing happening, but the Biden side needs to be prepared as long as Trump keeps the uncertainty alive, tormenting them.
Axios has quotes from "one lawyer familiar with the process" — the process, not the Trump insiders who are planning to do anything like this, just the existence of this strange, mind-bending path to victory.
This lawyer observes that Trump may be trying to "scare the living bejeezus out of everyone." Good guess.
What is the argument that Trump ought to be doing what he can to calm us? I hear Biden and his people telling us they want to bring calm to the country, but they're declining the opportunity to just be calm themselves until the state officials certify the results of the election.
Personally, I feel calm about waiting for that. Why isn't that okay? It seems to me that as long as they choose to pressure Trump to concede before the vote certification, they're forfeiting the high ground of calmness above all, and I'm not going to worry about Trump's pot stirring.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 263 of 263nobody buys your bullshit Chuck.
steveuhr: As always, Dems got cocky because of the polls. They underestimated, by tens of thousands of votes, the amount of fake ballots they'd need to win. They didn't know how many until the polls closed, and they had to fill in tens of thousands immediately, that night. Filling in a second vote effectively almost doubles the amount of time that would take. This isn't hard.
So there were 2000 plus conspirators in one state filling out false ballots? You guys are nuts.
steve uhr said...
Yes, Michael, I guess that would explain why Trump's DOJ never charged Obama with any crime. He must have Barr in his pocket.
I agree with you.
The corruption has less to do with party and more to do with geographic and tribal allegiances.
steve uhr said...
So there were 2000 plus conspirators in one state filling out false ballots? You guys are nuts.
More than that.
There were also the people who forcibly removed the election observers.
Once election observers are illegally barred from observing the election fraud is assumed.
This will be part of the legal case.
Look up Spoliation.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/11/why-twitter-wont-let-people-share-sworn-court-documents-alleging-voter-fraud/
"If you make that 20 seconds per ballot then a person could do 180 ballots an hour. That would require 2500 people."
Wouldn't these ballots have been pre-filled out and waiting in the wings somewhere?
Maybe even in a back room of one of the larger buildings where the counting was done?
Not tough to do...could have been done a week in advance.
At 5 seconds per ballot, that is 12 per minute. Or 720 per hour for two hours. That's 1440 per cheater.
So 450,000 votes would require 300 cheaters spread out across 4 states.
If it were 10 seconds per ballot, that would mean 600 cheaters spread out across 4 states.
That's not a huge number of cheaters tasked with scantrons.
Figure in breaks and we need another 33% more -- 800 cheaters across four states.
Meanwhile, about 20,000 New Jersey residents were allowed to vote in Pennsylvania.
Joe Smith said...
"If you make that 20 seconds per ballot then a person could do 180 ballots an hour. That would require 2500 people."
Wouldn't these ballots have been pre-filled out and waiting in the wings somewhere?
Maybe even in a back room of one of the larger buildings where the counting was done?
Not tough to do...could have been done a week in advance.
First they needed a list of people that had not voted yet.
Once the polls closed at 8PM and by 10-12PMish they printed and compiled the ballots of people who had not yet voted. If they already had them preprinted then they had to sort out the people that showed up and voted. They also had to make an attempt to get most of the dead and moved to New Jersey people out.
Then around 3AM they were delivered to the counting stations.
They had to kick all election observers out around 3AM and tell everyone they stopped counting so that they could count these votes before everyone woke up at 4 or 5AM.
Signatures would obviously be impossible in this situation.
But there have been reports by poll observers that the same 50 ballots were repeatedly fed through scantrons, pulled out and fed back in again.
And the software company whistle blowers are going to be interesting. The software shenanigans caught by a hand recount will probably be enough to turn Michigan.
This is where Steveuhr will pretend to be incredulous that 800 people could conspire in such a scheme without blowing the whistle, and pretend that we haven't been producing hundreds of witnesses and whistleblowers signing sworn affidavits who are summarily dismissed as "no evidence" while big tech censors their stories.
Attonasi nails it. They couldn't generate these ballots until they knew who hadn't voted yet.
And check out thegatewaypundit.com (who has done awesome work amassing the mountains of evidence of fraud). Apparently, an open records request to find invoices or work orders to fix the "water main break" that supposedly justified stopping the count of absentee ballots in Atlanta "until at least Wednesday" produced almost nothing, beyond an official saying it was a slow leak that endangered nothing and was fixed within 90 minutes.
Why is twitter censoring thousands of tweets?
This is a Michigan Affidavit.
It describes clear black letter law violations of Michigan voter laws regulating poll observers.
It describes the process of adding voters and searching for possible voters when a name on a ballot didn't match anyone registered to vote among other things.
I am sure there is a democrat pretending to be a judge that will blow this off. But the violations of law by these poll workers are obvious, clear, and undeniable at this point.
Georgia has announced they will recount all ballots in the presidential election.
whoopsie!
I also want to point out the courage of the people filing these affidavits.
They have to know that they are going to be destroyed by Biden and his followers if Biden seizes power like this.
steve uhr said...But hey, if it keeps in power the most corrupt president in 230 years, it's worth it.
I long for the days when Democrats were somewhat thoughtful and had a moderate grasp of history that started before they woke up this morning. Steve's post mirrors Joe Biden's statement that Trump is the most racist POTUS in history.
Are these folks that pitifully ignorant or do they think that their fellow travelers are?
For all his faults, Trump got more Black, Gay, Jewish and Latino votes than any Republican in recent history. Yet, He is a racist, anti-Semite (despite having Jewish grandchildren) homophobe (despite appointing the first openly gay cabinet member) and xenophobe.
I really wonder about you people.
I think it’s really funny to hear steve uhr who wanted Trump thrown in prison for “obstruction” of an investigation that was shown to be totally baseless and founded on lies from his political opponents, which the FBI knew before even starting it, and which Mueller should have known. That, my friends, is moral bankruptcy.
The problem with all of these appeals to decency, morality, and norms is that you guys crossed that line during Trump’s transition, and impeachment over Biden’s crimes was just icing on the cake.
Not to mention that it’s now common knowledge that Biden took bribes from the ChiComs, who are thrilled that he appears to have won.
Quinn - I trust you have provided your info to trump’s lawyers , assuming they are still taking your calls.
Tim - what was the alleged bribe Biden took from the Chinese in exchange for?
steve uhr starts strong demanding stuff.
Then he gets that stuff.
Then he offers some sarcasm.
I am embarrassed to watch you reveal yourself.
Immoral and preening, attempting to use our morality against us.
Fuck you. War.
Biden got cash via his brother, son, and daughter.
The Chinese got American manufacturing and America's military stand-down as China rattled its sabers in SE Asia.
Also, our Blue Water Navy was allowed to deteriorate.
Military spending was down.
Fracking and mineral exploration was retarded, much like steve uhr.
Chinese nationals were allowed to infiltrate American universities, research labs, businesses, and so forth.
China was not held responsible for killing American intelligence assets in China.
Gosh, steve uhr, this game is fucking easy.
steve uhr said...
Tim - what was the alleged bribe Biden took from the Chinese in exchange for?
Free Trade. China loves producing stuff with slave labor and shipping it here undercutting US manufacturing.
Technological transfers. Trump has shut down many of these transfers and China is not really able to develop their own stuff.
Trump crushed Huawei, the Chinese state version of Comcast, and no longer allows companies to transfer technology to them.
They got a good return out of Biden for a couple billion dollars all told.
Trump's doing that will damage the transition,
Good
and will damage the nation,
But voter fraud unimvestigated won't?
and will damage Trump's standing in history,
Imagine what history will look like when we the people defeat Biden
if that last item can possibly be damaged any more than it already is.
And whose fault is that.
I ask
Do Hammer and Sickle voters ...
...err...
Do Hammer and Scorecard Voters..
know how to operate long guns?
So do we agree that today's Trumpkins are as dumb and fearful as yesterday's Citizens United howling critics?
That was your contribution ? Nice work.
I agree that Democrats should not get hysterical, but why shouldn't they be both concerned and angry about about a massive falsehood that tarnishes their legitimate victory?
A Russian hoaxer just wrote that.
How precious.
One thing we can all agree on is that Biden’s efforts to unify the country will not go well. Hard to reason with a cult.
One thing we can all agree on is that Biden’s efforts to unify the country will not go well. Hard to reason with a cult.
Here's what people like you don't understand: I don't want to be united with cheating thugs.
Skippy Tisdale said...
Last night I saw a PBS documentary on the rise of Hitler. The similarities to the current Democratic Party were at once striking and scary.
Nah, the Democraps are on track to become the American version of the Weimar Republic. What comes after will look more like the Third Reich.
@Attonasi:
The people that develop these technologies do it to maintain control of their populations and they are increasingly dangerous as our technological prowess grows.
I think you vastly overstate the current status of these technologies and their likely trajectory in the near future. The term "AI" has been very bastardized in recent times. It is now mostly a marketing term and is driven by a lot of industry buzz. AI, originally conceived, is an attempt to create computer models that mimic human intelligence. What "AI" mostly refers to now is the development of practical devices for the consumer market that mimic, in some way, some aspect of human cognition. That's a much narrower objective than AI writ large. It's an engineering problem.
Turning AI towards developing a flu that has ideal communicability and lethality characteristics would not be a big step from that. It wouldn't even really be a step.
That would be a gargantuan leap forward. There are huge barriers to developing an AI that could even begin to possess something remotely like "understanding" what a virus even is. It's considered impressive if an AI can obtain over 90% accuracy in identifying if a picture if of a cat or a dog. Humans still outperform it.
Chuck said:
So do we agree that today's Trumpkins are as dumb and fearful as yesterday's Citizens United howling critics?
***********
No. I merely point out that your entire premise--that Trump voters are somehow different from Biden voters in their disagreement with outcomes we don't like---is false.
To which I would add, the prospect of turning the country into New Venezuela is a helluva lot different from bleating about a decision by the Supreme Court that benefitted BOTH corporations and labor unions.
Blogger steve uhr said...
One thing we can all agree on is that Biden’s efforts to unify the country will not go well. Hard to reason with a cult.
Here's that superiority again. You think lawyers are smarter then normal people?
The cult-like behavior seems to be with those who believe they can steal an election and all will be smooth after. No concept that people might be angry about this.
Jim Jones comes to mind. Remember he was a big power in SF politics.
J. Farmer wrote:
That would be a gargantuan leap forward. There are huge barriers to developing an AI that could even begin to possess something remotely like "understanding" what a virus even is. It's considered impressive if an AI can obtain over 90% accuracy in identifying if a picture if of a cat or a dog. Humans still outperform it.
************
Anyone remember the predictions that "expert systems" would revolutionize industry?
Here's what happened:
"During the years before the middle of the 1970s, the expectations of what expert systems can accomplish in many fields tended to be extremely optimistic. At the beginning of these early studies, researchers were hoping to develop entirely automatic (i.e., completely computerized) expert systems. The expectations of people of what computers can do were frequently too idealistic. This situation radically changed after Richard M. Karp published his breakthrough paper: “Reducibility among Combinatorial Problems” in the early 1970s. [30] Thanks to Karp's work it became clear that there are certain limitations and possibilities when one designs computer algorithms. His findings describe what computers can do and what they cannot do. Many of the computational problems related to this type of expert systems have certain pragmatic limitations. These findings laid down the groundwork that led to the next developments in the field. [9]
In the 1990s and beyond, the term expert system and the idea of a standalone AI system mostly dropped from the IT lexicon."--wikipedia
So in a few areas, expert systems delivered on their promise. But mostly not.
OK, so I'm looking for free legal advice here, not partisan bullshit.
The US Constitution says: "Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress". Const. Art. I, Sect. 1. Doesn't this mean that we have to look at EACH contested State to see what the Legislature thereof has provided regarding the appointment of electors? If the Legislature, in the exercise of its authority under Art. I Sec. 1, has directed that the electors shall be chosen based on the vote certified by the state's Secretary of State, doesn't that end the dispute, notwithstanding that there may be substantial evidence that the votes certified by the SOS are tainted?
But if the Legislature affirmatively directs another standard for selecting electors, isn't THAT dispositive? So if, e.g., the Pennsylvania Legislature by appropriate action directs (or has already directed) that no votes received after 8 pm on Election Day shall be counted toward the election of Electors, and the Legislature -- or its designee -- shall determine the votes, doesn't that end that dispute as to that State's electors?
so it turns out there was no record, of the supposed watermain break, that prompted the delay in the countings in atlanta, quelle surprise,
steve uhr said...
A legislator would have to be pretty morally bankrupt to ignore and overturn the will of the citizens of her state as reflected in the accurate count of lawful votes. If it happens there will be blood in the streets and the country will be torn apart.
But hey, if it keeps in power the most corrupt president in 230 years, it's worth it.
11/11/20, 1:32 PM
Those are your terms?
Blogger narciso said...
so it turns out there was no record, of the supposed watermain break, that prompted the delay in the countings in atlanta, quelle surprise,
11/11/20, 5:47 PM
That's it. That's ALL I need to throw out their whole fucking election result. The whole county or whoever is served there. As far as I'm concerned, all those ballots are made out of COVID.
No, that's not disenfranchising the people of the county, the election workers there disenfranchised the county. We're just dealing with it. Maybe next time pick better people.
In the spirit of bipartisanship, that Republican SOS may also eat a bag of dicks, or his gun, whichever he prefers.
oh the whole crew is compromised to dominion, through the lead lobbyist who was kemp's campaign manager and subsequent chief of staff,
Trump is the President and has been for the past 4 years. He will be the President until at least January 21. The idea that there will be some sort of societal breakdown if he doesn’t just go away immediately is idiocy.
The panic is the fear that the actual vote counts will ultimately favor Trump.
I can wait.
“ Here's that superiority again. You think lawyers are smarter then normal people?”
Of course we are. Esp smarter than doctors - if they were as smart as they think that they are, they would have saved all the hard work and gone to law school instead. 😷 (Aimed at Dr K)
Serious, the Bell Curve claimed that the mean IQ of every doctorate degree holder is roughly one standard deviation above the mean, except for the type of doctorate that Jill Biden has (Education) where the mean is roughy 100, and PhDs in Physics, where the mean is higher than for other doctorate degree holders. Surprisingly there apparently wasn’t much difference between MDs JDs, or non physics PhDs. I would be surprised though if this really held true for other medical field doctors, such as podiatrists and maybe even chiropractors, based in the assumption that a number of those in those fields probably took that route, after not being admitted to Medical School.
steve uhr said...
Quinn. And why didn’t they have time to mark another box if you don’t mind me asking?
Here Steve, let me help you:
you can fill out 500 ballots for Biden. Or you can fill out 300 ballots for Biden and the next D down, in the same amount of time.
You are trying to get an extra 100k votes for Biden.
You going to miss your target? Or are you going to just do ballots for Biden?
"Hard to reason with a cult. “
You know who was the point man for Obama in the Spratly Islands dispute? Biden, you know what happened when Biden went to China to negotiate with China about that and lowering tariffs on US goods? China told America to fuck off, and gave Biden’s son an handsome bribe.
It’s a pattern with Biden, he went to Iraq to negotiate the status of forces agreement, well he never got a deal, as you may recall, the whole thing when pear shaped, Iraq told America to fuck off, but not to worry about the Bidens! Joe’s brother Jim got a third of a 1.5 billion dollar contract to built back the homes Joe voted to bomb. A business he had never been in before...
This is all public record
Watching Newsmax, Bernie Kerik (former NYPD Police Commissiner) just stated that he *just* received another 14 affidavits of whistleblowers regarding Dominion software. Stated that the evidence of mass voter fraud is "absolutely overwhelming".
"Hard to reason with a cult. “
One way you know you are in a cult is if you refuse to even consider evidence that brings your beliefs into question. We were all ears on Russiagate, waiting for that first piece of hard evidence, not partisan opinion, it never came.
We have Hunter’s laptop, which nobody has denied the authenticity of, BTW, which interlocks with at least two other independed tranches of emails, and BTW, sworn depostions that Joe Biden is a kleptocrat. The Bidens shouldn’t fuck over their business partners, it comes back to haunt them.
If you had 1/10th the evidence against Trump, he would be in prison. All you guys every had was the opinions of politically partisan Obama people in the intelligence community, and far fetched theories of prosecution from Mueller.
Bruce, two of my kids are lawyers, both Biden fans or at least Trump haters.
Take it from me, they are not smarter. Back when IQ testing was legal, two teachers had all three tested to see if they were gifted, The one who scored the highest is the fireman who did not go to college. He is also the only one who owns his own home and is planning to move when he can retire.
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“ Here's that superiority again. You think lawyers are smarter then normal people?”
Of course we are. Esp smarter than doctors - if they were as smart as they think that they are, they would have saved all the hard work and gone to law school instead. 😷 (Aimed at Dr K)
Well, ya gots your Steve Uhr and you gots your Bruce Hayden. Both lawyers.
Gonna go out on a limb and suspect some lawyers are smarter, some are.....not.
Too lazy to look it up again, but Steve kind of humorously famous amongst the brethren due to filing a frivolous class action about conspiracy concerning Happy Hour at saloons across the nation.
"Let’s let Judge Jeanine decide. “
Even you should know that the media doesn’t get to decide.
Chuck hilariously pretends that Bernie Kerik's statements are all we have.
I would have to spend 3 hours to accumulate and repost the massive evidence of fraud that's already been accumulated and posted in all these threads since Nov 3. Not one of you is even attempting substantive rebuttals to any of it - 100% appeals to leftist authorities denying that there's fraud. The few attempts to actually rebut were pure lies, like claiming the USPS whistle-blower recanted.
I've challenged lefties repeatedly to answer questions like: What possible ethical reason can PA Democrats have to appeal the PA court decision that Republican poll watcher must be allowed to actually watch the vote as required by law?
Have yet to see even an attempt at an answer to that one.
Wanna take a crack at it, Chuck?
Ann, your effing naïveté in all of this is mind numbing. The moral narcissism is puke invoking. You want to be cruelly neutral but with a weak constitution
Since we all want free and fair elections. We all do don't we? And since if the shoe were on the other foot democrats would demand an investigation into vote fraud. Why is it so unreasonable that Trump demand the same? Isn't it worth the time and expense to insure this election was free and fair? Because, after all, we all want free and fair elections. Do the democrats have something to hide?
Not only that, but don’t Democrat’s want to know that they have in fact defeated the Orange Terror in a fair and just election. Or do they take every cue from the soulless bastards at the NYT, Wapoo, cnn, and the like.. On second thought don’t answer.
Tucker had a scrolling list of dead voters from all over the nation juxtaposed with the NYT banner stating NO FRAUD DISCOVERED.
Methinks that without substantial crackdown on GA voting rules, especially mail in, that Dems will cheat again, take both Senate seats and it will be game over. That is if blood is not already running in the streets by then.
Ya know, if trump pulls this off, Ima triple my Christmas gift budget.
But I cannot forget sincere and adamant liars accusing Kavanaugh of rape and other things. It was so very important to these degenerates to obstruct his appointment that they lied under oath. I would hope some Trump supporters might be as dedicated.
Regarding Biden only ballots, pretty sure even I could set up a printer to fill out entire ballot.
Naturally, these are not only things bruising the dems. And, the polls putting Biden so far ahead may have made the crooks lazy regarding pre count planning and manipulation. I hope so.
"Few people (possibly none) ever see their own cause as unjust (or unjustified). The more righteous one believes one's cause to be, the greater likelihood one will stop at nothing, even willingly committing atrocities, in furtherance of the cause. Human history, ancient and recent, tells the tale."
I find it highly amusing that this quote is used to insinuate that President Trump's lawyers are evil, yet the poster of the quote is hostile to the notion that it might just as easily apply to blue-city election workers counting votes in the cloak of darkness after telling, heck, sometimes even requiring Republican and International poll watchers to leave. And what might that "righteous" cause be? Well, we've heard for four long years that President Trump is a fascist. Wouldn't you do anything to keep a fascist out of power? Even, perhaps, a bit of election fraud?
Yes, sometimes someone who is working for a righteous is doing evil things. But sometimes, just sometimes, a person working for a righteous cause is actually doing the right thing!
FullMoon said...
Naturally, these are not only things bruising the dems. And, the polls putting Biden so far ahead may have made the crooks lazy regarding pre count planning and manipulation. I hope so.
The polls were supposed to cover for the slightly increased level of fraud they were planning on.
They did not expect Trump to shatter voting records. They thought it would be pretty close like 2016.
That is what the 3AM stuff was about. They obviously planned for that contingency. I don't think people understand just how much effort they put into stealing the election or what it would take to manufacture hundreds of thousands of votes.
They thought the software would be enough. It wasn't.
The Dominion shenanigans are going to be the biggest pop in this. The code is on all of those machines and it is not hard to go through it all. The code for counting ballots is not much more than a 10 line CASE: statement.
Anything that does something sketchy is going to be glaringly obvious and I think a lot of those whistle blowers coming out against the company want to have nothing to do with a hundred so lines of extra code that switch every Xth random Trump vote to Biden.
Possibly ballots were already filled out in advance and then drawn upon as needed. Also, it's possible that some ballots never physically existed at all but were included in the count anyway. In previous elections bags of ballots in Detroit didn't contain the number of ballots that they were certified as having. The three-day waiting period before resuming the count is very suspicious.
I'm not sure that recounts would change the final result, though, and any state legislature that tried to just award the electoral votes to their party's candidate without a hard count of the legal vote in their candidate's favor would be asking for trouble.
"Yes, sometimes someone who is working for a righteous is doing evil things. But sometimes, just sometimes, a person working for a righteous cause is actually doing the right thing!"
Are you asserting vote fraud is a righteous cause?
Vote fraud is the Russian collusion of 2020.
Vote fraud is the Russian collusion of 2020.
The difference is the existence of credible evidence.
Well, we certainly can't trust the Dems!!!!!
"Are you asserting vote fraud is a righteous cause?"
No, I am not "asserting voting fraud" is a righteous cause. It is a neutral cause. What I am asserting is that if you sincerely believe that voting fraud occurred -- and I am, because multiple States pausing their count at the same time, telling Republican poll watchers to go home at the same time, only to have ballots for Biden suddenly appear when vote counting opens again, when counting was supposed to be closed, is very clear evidence that voting fraud was happening -- then fighting fraud is indeed righteous.
I could just as easily turn this question on you. Are you asserting that voter fraud is a righteous cause?
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