The original Lost Cause will never be replicated. It articulated a fully developed set of beliefs about slavery, honor and region, grounded in the experiences of a slaveholding republic. Trump and his followers do not have such a coherent ideology, nor do they enjoy the kind of geographical monopoly that the Confederates possessed. But their arguments are animated by some of the same tactics that allowed the Lost Cause to thrive for more than 150 years, which may help Trumpism, too, live on past its political moment....There's a lot of ideation about the Trump who won't go away. I've got a fantasy of my own. Want to hear it? It's a sweet little fantasy, and I hope it will make everyone feel good. So... Biden wins in November, but Trump doesn't believe the result was fair and square, just can't get his head around it.
It’s easy to imagine Trump supporters looking backward at his presidency as a golden era, touting efforts to forestall illegal immigration, protect White suburbs and battle China — not unlike the ways Lost Cause boosters reimagined the antebellum South. Just as former Confederates relied on the press and popular culture to disseminate their myths, we might expect cable news outlets and right-wing websites to perpetuate his charges of “rigged elections.” MAGA and Trump flags will fly on private property along major interstates or highways, just as Confederate battle flags do today....
When Inauguration Day comes, Trump is hanging on in the White House. But his term is over, and Biden has been sworn in, so Biden is the President, and now Trump is a private citizen wrongly holding onto the place. What to do?!
Should the Secret Service firmly but gently usher him out? No, Biden says. He is my house guest! Trump stays on, sleeps in the White House, gets his meals, watches TV and tweets, and he and Biden have conversations, and they kind of enjoy each other, debate, trade presidenting tips, talk about their grandkids. America looks on, feels heart-warmed by the odd couple in the White House, and love is all around.
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These know-it-alls need to get out more.
It's one thing to say what you think. It's another to say what you imagine other persons think, particularly if you have never take the time to meet or speak with them.
The next day Joe starts wandering the neighborhood.
@althouse, maybe you should write a treatment for the Netflix pilot. Starring Keifer Sutherland as Plugs Biden and Dennis Quaid as the trumpster.
Yes, to socialists, freedom is a lost cause. Aside from that, you could fill a stadium with what she does not understand.
By the way, she's actually saying cable news outlets and right wing websites will perpetuate his charges of 'rigged-elections'?
This coming from the same media and paper that spent 3 1/2 years perpetuating the 'if not for the Russians, Hillary should have been President'? They do it still- today. If there were any real Journalists! left at WaPo they'd have the story of the century right there in front of their big, latte-filled faces. The attempted coup of a duly elected President.
Yes...let's talk about Trump voters and old Southern mythology and Lost Causes. I cannot wait for November. I cannot even imagine the prone, fetal positions taken up by the media in this country when Trump is in for 4 more years. That alone makes it worth voting for Trump.
Trump won't go away from the Hillary was robbed mob,,, priceless.
You're bad-shit crazy!
I've got a fantasy of my own.
Repeal the 19th.
"@althouse, maybe you should write a treatment for the Netflix pilot. Starring Keifer Sutherland as Plugs Biden and Dennis Quaid as the trumpster."
I'm picturing a TV show like "That's My Bush!"
Love your casting suggestion!
LOL
If, as I think likely, Trump wins reelection, it's really going to get ugly. These people are so convinced Biden's got this, his loss would in itself prove that Trump cheated.
Because they're never wrong. If they find no evidence for this, that will be proof of how deep the conspiracy goes.
If Trump wins re-election, the Dems will wrangle for and find/invent a way to get it decided by the Supreme Court. They'll take their chances with John Roberts.
A modern day team of rivals. If Trump loses he will no longer be hated by the Left, so I'm thinking your fantasy may be possible!
Everyone is getting ahead of themselves here. Let’s see how the campaign goes.
The Brits call August the Silly Season in journalism because there is nothing serious to write about.
I have a sweet little fantasy, too. The GOP wins the House and the Senate and Trump is re-elected easily. The Democrats say I guess we were wrong and relegate Pelosi, Schumer, Scihiff, and Nadler to the Committee on DC Oversight. Omar and Talib are defeated and AOC becomes a Reaganite- strong national defence, low marginal tax rates, and ordered liberty. She starts quoting Edmund Burke.
I really like how they tar all of Trump supporters with the same brush. We are a lot more diverse than they know.
Click bait and basically an attempt at voter suppression by trying to dispirit Trump voters. It would possibly work better if the WaPo hadn’t flushed their credibility down the woke toilet years ago.
That they are convinced Trump will lose suggests that it is they who will not accept the result when he wins. It is they who will glamorize a noble defeat.
Your sitcom scenario is more believable than the Left’s Trump fantasies, despite the common elements.
Actually, repeal every Amendment after the 12th.
Janney's writing about the bad mirror opposite of exactly what Hillary!! supporters have done for the past 3+ years. It's hard to get a clear view of anything from within a bubble. The curvature of the bubble warps the view.
Continuing the fantasy, Biden tries to Bork Trump while he's asleep. But Trump isn't having it, molts his human layer of skin to reveal his true reptilean form and consumes the President whole. A massive fireworks display follows over the capital.
Now do what happens when the democrats realize that Trump WON reelection,
and start ANOTHER civil war.... Or, continue the one they've ALREADY started
Serious Questions
IF/When Trump wins reelection
will the democrats accept it? (this time?)
will the riots continue?
will the media accept it (oh, sorry! i Already Asked that one)
I'm visualizing a
very old and faded "Not My President" bumpersticker, on a
very old and faded Prius, driven by a
very old and faded white lesbian
Has journalism permanently changed, or is this all just a manifestation of Trump Derangement. The Washington Post has an article quite frequently that is little more than speculation about what Trump must be thinking, or feeling, or planning. "Trump supporters worry...." "Will the 25th Amendment be in play?" Why doesn't a responsible writer do a retrospective take down of all the speculations that have been wrong?
Reading Janney, you'd think the last presidential election and transition didn't involve the deliberate weaponization of the Justice Department, the FBI and the "intelligence community" by the Obama-Biden administration in cahoots with the Clinton Campaign.
The professoriate can't imagine anything as crazy as four more years.
They will be jumping out of windows.
Would people showing MAGA hats after a Trump loss be anything like people wearing Che T-shirts after the fall of the Soviet Union?
Of course not, only right-wingers are that unwilling to face reality.
Yes! And in the sequel, Kamala becomes President under the 25th Amendment and she lets Joe stay in the White House with Donald, both thinking each is still POTUS. Saves a lot on Secret Service expenses.
Time to have Ann pee in a cup.
Ivanka ends up having an affair with Hunter and convinces Dad to take him on as an advisor.
Temujin wrote: "Yes, to socialists, freedom is a lost cause." And a useless lost cause at that. What use is freedom when you can have universal health care, a guaranteed income, and other goodies from our benevolent masters? The now-forgotten Old Right writer Garet Garrett called it decades ago: "The People's Pottage."
Fiddle-de-dee!
Perhaps you can tell us what you're smoking/drinking/using at the moment. Nice plot, however.
Biden brings Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in as a an adviser.
Sexual tension builds between her and Trump: the classic 'they can't stand each other' / 'they are so hot for each other' scenario.
Biden is clueless as to the whole situation, but -- of course -- Melania is not.
Meaning: catfight!
Sexy, sexy catfight.
I am Laslo.
Two questions:
1. How did she get to be a professor at an elite university?
2. Why would the WP print such unfounded speculation?
The South doesn't have a love of slavery or even the Civil War. While Confederate military heroes are still revered, it is because the South was invaded by the North and these men were fighting against the North, not fighting for slavery.
Only 1 in 5 families in the South owned slaves, so why were sons from all the other families fighting? It certainly wasn't so they could buy a slave.
I find it morally reprehensible that liberals are able to label the South as racist.
I guess that makes this woman a bigot.
Prof. Janney seems to have jumped from writing history to alt-history (until this November, anyway) and straight into fantasy.
protect White suburbs
White lives don't matter, but congratulations on the accidental capitalization.
NPR is also dredging up the War of Northern Aggression, even as we speak, pointing out that some of those naughty white people of 150 years ago were naughty and that about 1/2 of white Americans have a "klansman" in their family tree* according to the author of "Life of a Klansman: A Family History in White Supremacy" because for liberals it will always be 1870 or 1929 or 1955.
*150 years ago ~= 6 generations = (64+32+16+8+4+2 = 126) ancestors, therefore (1/2)/126 ~.3968254 % of people were in the KKK. Oh teh horror.
Good god, the depths of their projection knows no bounds.
McKenzie probably thinks Hillary actually won in 2016.
How can anyone support The Biden-Clinton government-power family enrichment schemers?
Illegal actions that skate.
I get that Trump is not appealing in many ways - so folks want what feels good - nice pant creases and slick veneer.
Btw - Slavery is over and we all know who owned slaves. The NYT owner's family for starters.
Here’s are my predictions. Biden - despite his feeble mental state - does the first debate. Total disaster. He refuses further debates. Trump wins 40 states.
Brennan, Comey et al. arrested on August 6. Convicted in 2021.
Maddow, Morning Joe and Cuomo have major breakdowns on the air and have to be cutoff.
WaPo — We Bring The News Before It Happens
I have a sweet fantasy. Want to hear it? One cold Fall morning, tens of millions of middle and upper middle class white female lefties awaken to the same thought, “OMG!! Russia hoax? Blasey Ford? Mueller? Impeachment? Riots? Looting? Critical Social Justice Theory? AGW? Illegal aliens? Pelosi? Schumer? Nadler? Systemic Racism?? What a fucking jackass I’ve been!!”
- Krumhorn
Its all fun and games until they start playing "Button, button, who's got the button?"
It's funny - her view of the situation is much more applicable to the Obama presidency than Trumps. (With adjustment for ideology of course)
And, yes, Dennis Quaid must play Trump someday.
RoseAnne
The real lost cause is expecting the press to be honest about the history of their own party.
Mega Corporate Press Hid The Fact That This RACIST President Was a Democrat
This summer has seen a historical reckoning with how the country views the past. Yet when liberals and Democrats are the target of reassessment, journalists get nervous. Whether it’s the racism of Planned Parenthood’s founder or Woodrow Wilson, the media would rather you not ask too many questions.
Speaking of Wilson, back in June, Princeton University decided to remove the 28th President from its Public Policy School. All three networks covered this development, but they ignored one key fact about the Confederate-loving, KKK-defending politician: He was a Democrat.
I picture Hillary continuously stopping by, trying to drop off cookies and pies that she's baked- or masks she's sewn up- but they never actually let her step her foot across the threshold.
The new Lost Casue myth will be intellectuals like Janney claiming Trump is one of the worse U.S. President's ever. Activist historians are already claiming such on twitter. Janney and others don't know how to process Trump's Grant like destruction of their political power.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh, those lefties! Nuts the size of mega-coconuts! Now filling the Marianas Trench.
Well! I am sorry for her students. I think professors have a good ability to distort the past as they are busy missing the facts.
What would they call each other? "Hey, Joe!" "Hey, Donald!" Or would each address the other as "Mr President"?
As America fondly looks on...
You know Barry and Donny could have done this. You're gonna make Obama jealous.
Of course your fantasy begins with Biden winning. This, in fact, is the beginning of my nightmare, notwithstanding the imagined parade of horribles from a second term of Donald Trump. Loving what Democrats are doing with the cities? VOTE BIDEN! Haven't spent enough time in the Third World to have a sense of what really shitty life looks like? VOTE BIDEN!
If you call the Psychic Hot Line the money goes directly to Act Blue.
Tripe, and more unrealistic theory based on a complete lack of information.
Too early for ‘shrooms, Ann...
Traveling in seven states this spring and summer I have seen a lot of Trump signs and banners. Zero for Biden. Are those millions of Biden supporters just too embarrassed to advertise their support?
Didn't know the weed was that strong in Wisconsin.
Conversely if Trump wins, will the media and the left calmly accept the results? Or will there be even more accusations of collusion with Russians, investigations, congressional hearings, impeachments, and riots?
It is good that "professors" like this one are locked out of the classroom.
These people do not get it. The "cult of Trump" that supports him as a person consists of about a handful of people. For everyone else, he is a means to an end.
The divisiveness in this country started a couple of decades ago, not just four years ago. And what happened for conservative/traditional minded people is that they were minding their own business -- as they prefer to do -- and another faction that hates them decided to rip the country apart.
But time and again these leftists that have infested every sector of society are completely ignorant about the people around them.
Projection is all they know. The Lost Cause was Hillary 2016; the Golden Age was Obama's Presidency.
I'd watch that show, though.
Well, I was planning to have a cocktail today but if other people’s writings make me feel as though I’ve already had a few too many, why bother with cracking open a bottle?
Projection? Leftists seem to project what they would do onto the GOP.
My fantasy is after an election of a US President, the opposition party will accept the results, all will attend the inauguration, and work with the President for the well being of the US, and not for petty politics.
May be since John Lewis's passing, this will happen when Trump is reelected. After all, Lewis did boycott THREE Presidential Inaugurations.
The hard partisan actions of the last four years by the Democrats shocked me. The attempted coup was beyond the pale. And the amount of Chamber of Commerce Republicans that have done everything they can to derail the Trump agenda, has been amazing. And still no recess appointments - Thanks McConnell!
The example of Senator Warner having back channel communication with a Russian Oligarch, and Christopher Steele? The FBI and DOJ attempted framing of Trump for Obstruction of Justice. What type of Banana Republic have we become?
Harry Reed's still bothers me: "He didn't win, did he?". Translation - For the Democrats, the End justifies the Means.
We had a bunch of this crap in 2000, W vs. Gore. "Selected not elected."
More projection from the left, the party of Stacy Adams.
There's a lot of ideation about the Trump who won't go away.
Whatever happened to the "Hillary goes away" tag?
I've seen Prof Janney on CSPAN. When she talks about the past, she can make sense, but she's no Sybil.
A shame, that one of the few decent-looking lady historians of the ACWABAWS should be such a hack.
Narr
But not a real surprise
Hail to the chief is racist.
The very cockles of my heart are warmed. Here's the soundtrack:
https://youtu.be/kDrfHj3j398
More likely, the Progressive left will view November 2020 as the moment when it all slipped away...
Yeah, wouldn't it be great after 4 years of the Democrats and the media shitting over Trump and his supporters, and refusing to accept the election results, Trump would turn the other cheek and be a gracious good loser. How noble. And then we could show the D's the RIGHT WAY to behave so the next time the D's lose they be shamed into acting the same way.
HAHAHAHAHA. As if that the D's ever care about being good losers. Or the country.
This is mostly a warning, from one historian to others but backed by a newspaper with the power to create a public controversy, about how any positive retrospective treatment of Trump's presidency will be academically and journalistically received.
"She's a history professor at the University of Virginia."
We really need to close those shitholes down. They're like the monasteries in the in the Medieval era, full of useless parasites saying pointless prayers for their wealthy patrons.
Democracy Dies in Darkness!
Projection? Leftists seem to project what they would do onto the GOP.
They warned us that there would be a violent reaction, but they didn't tell us that we would have to wait until Trump was elected for it to start and progress in a national protest. #HateTrumpsLove #HateLovesAbortion
In case you haven't noticed, Biden has called Trump a racist every chance he's gotten. He's also called Trump a traitor (Russian asset), a fool, a corrupt crook, a liar, and a heartless clown. Not to mention sexist/bigot/homophobe.
Even if Biden wanted to makeup with Trump and be gracious in victory, his base and the DNC-media wouldn't let him. It much more likely that the DNC-media and the D's will launch the IRS, DOJ, and every federal agency into various investigations in an attempt to destroy Trump and his family. After all, he's a Nazi/Confederate, no?
BTW, what is it about "moderates" that they always are cool with the D's calling Republicans the most vile names possible, but if the R's fire back, they have a hissy fit, and cry "why can't we stop all this fighting?". If only Trump would be a GENTLEMEN and stop Tweeting and take all the abuse with good humor.
Iman said...
Too early for ‘shrooms, Ann...
8/2/20, 9:30 AM
My thoughts exactly!
It’s strange to see the dynastic magical thinking among liberals. To them, anybody from the Kennedy family is deserving of a platform to hold forth on public policy. Anyone related by blood or marriage to Martin Luther King, Jr. has magic civil rights wisdom. Women married to presidents are injected with automatic qualification to be the President. (If they are Democrats).
As for the "Lost Cause" it came about, because the Southern Leadership had to justify secession and sending all its young men off to fight and die in a needless civil war. They also had to justify losing a war, they probably could have won. So, the war was recast as a noble effort to defend states rights, and Robert E. Lee was made into a major figure, along with Stonewall Jackson, Jeb Stuart, etc. Jeff Davis was pushed into the background, and all his cabinet members and the Confederate Senators more or less airbrushed from the picture.
Every confederate soldier became a noble crusader defending the Poor South from the marinading Yankees, instead of unwilling draftee or a poor sap fooled by all the propaganda. Of course, all the deserters and Union volunteers were also forgotten.
As for the "Lost Cause" it came about, because the Southern Leadership had to justify secession and sending all its young men off to fight and die in a needless civil war. They also had to justify losing a war, they probably could have won. So, the war was recast as a noble effort to defend states rights, and Robert E. Lee was made into a major figure, along with Stonewall Jackson, Jeb Stuart, etc. Jeff Davis was pushed into the background, and all his cabinet members and the Confederate Senators more or less airbrushed from the picture.
Every confederate soldier became a noble crusader defending the Poor South from the marinading Yankees, instead of unwilling draftee or a poor sap fooled by all the propaganda. Of course, all the deserters and Union volunteers were also forgotten.
Home of the Brave = racism too.
Dream on. This article is Idiotcracy blather squared. The CSA lost a close one when Sherman took Jonesboro on August 31,1864. That battle alone stopped the Dems from winning the Presidency 2 months later and losing the war by McClellan’s promised surrender and return of the slaves to their owners.
By contrast Trump represents the unified fighters who together were winners of the European and the Pacific World Wars in the glorious year 1945.No lost causes that year. Not one.And there will be no lost causes this year either.
goofiest fantasy ever.
the actual lost cause of modern times is the Democrat Party.
I think one of Donald Trump's biggest mistakes in the debates was when Madame H asked if he would accept the results.
Before giving his answer, he should have asked her "Will you accept the results?"
I would have loved to hear her answer because clearly the answer was "no" but she could not say that, could she?
John Henry
If Trump loses, Trump will leave. Anything else is childish fantasy.
This is a continuation of the attempt t pro the post-election battle space. Should DJT again win majority of electoral votes while Dem candidate wins the so-called “popular vote”, Dems/media reprise the canard that the Dem candidate won the popular vote and the Orange Man Bad won’t honor the wishes of the people by leaving the White House. Predictable and pathetic.
This seems right up there with Andrew Sullivan's "New Confederacy" bullshit. It exposes more author bias than anything about there for real.
So begins Althouse’s new career in alternate reality TV. I’ll admit it. I laughed.
I don't find anything about this post to be funny.
Here's what I find easy to imagine: Dems waking up to a Trump victory in November and slowly coming to the horrifying (for them) realization that in their scorched earth zeal to destroy Trump, they have instead weakened their own leftist strongholds from universities and public education to cities. They realize that they are Wiley Coyote and their stick of Acme dynamite has bounced back and blown up in their faces while Donald the Roadrunner is zipping merrily down the road.
That's my little fantasy. I doubt it will happen though, not because Trump can't or won't win but because they, like the cartoon coyote, will never possess enough self-awareness to realize that they're not all that smart.
The Biden plan is to appoint Kamala Harris Homeland Security Czarina where she will build reeducation camps throughout Red State Shitholes to exterminate the last vestiges of Trumpian cultists.
>The original Lost Cause will never be replicated.
Perhaps, but that also might get a lot of people killed. Remember, we are also speaking to *future* enemies with these things. Can they surrender with some remaining honor and a comfortable retirement? Or will dead bodies be dragged through the street ala Gaddafi? Put differently, we should at least consider Chesterton's Famous Fence before we act.
more than likely, they would purge whatever opposition to the new order, have you not been paying attention, what's been going on since May,
Last time I checked it wasn't Republicans contesting the results of an election or the legitimacy of a president...
The much-maligned Melania would surely love to shed the role of First Lady.
Hypothetical. The governor of Wisconsin orders troops to polling stations in red counties and shuts those polls. Biden narrowly wins the thereby rigged count in Wisconsin and with it just pips Trump to win the election.
Acceptable?
Is Trump not *obligated by his oath* to challenge this?
Why is Trump the bad guy in this scenario?
The new Lost Casue myth......
I love the typo. Is it a homonym for kazoo?
I would hope that if Trump refused to leave the White House the Secret Service would arrest him and charge him with, what I imagine is a felony, of illegally being on the White House grounds. Then to add insult to injury his possessions would be dumped on the sidewalk in front of the White House.
Hopefully, when Trump is out of power many (it is too much to imagine all, including his hardcore defenders on this blog) of his followers will realize what an unmitigated disaster his presidency was.
Lucid: "...the party of Stacy Adams." Abrams?
Hey, this should work out perfectly. And Trump can keep his current bedroom, because Joe will be sleeping in the basement
Ann and Laszlo should team up on a script. Maybe make it a regular feature here.
It is hilarious to me that one of the women in the running to be Biden's VP is famous only because she refuses to concede she lost the gubernatorial election in Georgia.
The new lost KAFKA wet dream by a blithering libtard moonbat. pathetic..
Why should Trump pledge to honor a possible one state electoral college victory when Dems have not respected Trumps bigger electoral college result?
mail-in ballots the ticket to Dem fantasy come true?
a curious trip down memory lane:
Dems and mail-in vote fraud mash-up video
If Biden wins Antifa/BLM would be shut down completely. The media will ignore them.
Will they feel betrayed?
I think at that point we should go show Antifa/BLM what they were doing wrong and watch them properly destroy our big blue cities.
Most importantly we should help them find the wealthier parts of town.
new career in alternate reality TV
You're travelling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind; a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead - your next stop, the Twilight Fringe!
h/t Serling
WaPo — We Bring The News Before It Happens
PR Gnus - Yesterday's News Tomorrow.
The Confederacy was formed to defend and maintain, and if possible extend, the slave regime.
Individual soldiers had all kinds of reasons to jine, as is always the case, but one side stood squarely for literal White Supremacy and one side was . . . more open to change.
Enthusiasm for enlisting in the Confederate cause was strongest among members of slaveholding families, and in areas where slavery was most entrenched. With almost no exceptions I can think of, the higher ranks of the CS military and civil government were holders of many slaves.
That's three empirical facts to show that slavery and its protection was the primary motivator of Secession.
Narr
As if their Declarations weren't enough!
If college professors didn’t exist, who would engage is this kind of absurdity?
BleachBit-and-Hammers said...
The real lost cause is expecting the press to be honest about the history of their own party.
Mega Corporate Press Hid The Fact That This RACIST PresidentWilson Was a Democrat
What The? You're implying that Woodrow Wilson, was a Democrat?
Next thing you know, people will be implying that Andy Jackson was a democrat! or Jefferson!
Nice little article about Joe B's 50-year stroking of whatever segregationists he can find:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/speaking-of-george-wallace/
Home of the Brave = racism too.
Diversity dogma including racism, sexism, and other class-based taxonomic systems, processes, and beliefs...
There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling the transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image; make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: there is nothing wrong with your television set. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to the Progressive Path.
h/t Stevens
reder Frederson said...
I would hope that if Trump refused to leave the White House
Freder does a lot of hoping. I would call you a "no hoper" Freder.
Sort of funny that they're bringing this up after all the moaning, wailing, and gnashing of teeth we saw over Hillary!'s loss in 2016.
Just the American Left bucking up their side as usual.
Gahrie said...
“‘I've got a fantasy of my own.’
Repeal the 19th.”
There you go. Save the country from people who had little to do with her creation and virtually never died defending her.
"It’s easy to imagine Trump supporters looking backward at his presidency as a golden era,"
Easy to imagine because of Obama supporters looking backward at his presidency as a golden era?
Every confederate soldier became a noble crusader defending the Poor South from the marinading Yankees,
"Marinading?" Were they then going to cook and eat them?
"I'll clean em and fry em.
"Hopefully, when Trump is out of power many (it is too much to imagine all, including his hardcore defenders on this blog) of his followers will realize what an unmitigated disaster his presidency was."
Not statist enough for you, State-fucker?
Howeeee! @10:51am...
Choke - but don’t chafe - dat chicken.
With all of the surreal things happening these days its interesting liberals have the mental energy to create imaginary situations in their heads of being overwhelmingly successful and triumphant in November and this "tin pot dictator" not accepting the results. This is particularly rich coming from the party of Al Gore, Stacey Abrams and Hillary Clinton "Muh Russia" fame.
When reading that article at first I thought I was reading a Maureen Dowd, slap dash, stream of consciousness, throw wild scenario up against the wall thing but was stunned to see it was a history professor instead. Colleges really should be burned to the ground so we can start over again.
"I picture Hillary continuously stopping by, trying to drop off cookies and pies that she's baked- or masks she's sewn up- but they never actually let her step her foot across the threshold."
Yes, Prime Minister anticipates Hillary's lockout:
https://youtu.be/V1NZ0WJzt9s
The educated have elaborate analogies to cover their separation from reality.
The inability to read Trump is one of the marvels, probably sex-linked.
Freder: “Hopefully, when Trump is out of power many (it is too much to imagine all, including his hardcore defenders on this blog) of his followers will realize what an unmitigated disaster his presidency was.”
We are well aware of the “unmitigated disaster[s]” of Trump’s Presidency: Sedition sponsored by the Democrats and their pet leftmediaswine; unlawful, illegal overreaching by Obamajudges to thwart Trump’s policies; corruption of federal law enforcement to perpetuate the Russia hoax and, finally, Covid 19, as a result of which Democrat governors with the highest death rates on the planet can blame Trump for their homicidal activities. On the flip side, Trump has exposed the nearly unfathomable depth of depravity among Democrats and their consorts which will remain invisible to their useful idiots and intellectual morons, but will not be forgotten by the normals.
Freder Frederson wrote:"Hopefully, when Trump is out of power many (it is too much to imagine all, including his hardcore defenders on this blog) of his followers will realize what an unmitigated disaster his presidency was."
I responded off the top of my head, "Not statist enough, State-fucker?" I apologize for the intemperate language, and I don't know if I qualify as one of his hardcore defenders, since I always think of Trump as more of an ally against the most loathesome people on Earth, the "liberal" Hive. (And by "liberal" I mean of course "tax-happy, coercion-addicted, power-tripping State fellator.") But, pray, Feder, let's say you could somehow alter the course of history and change the outcome of the last presidential election and see to it that "Felonia von Pantsuit," not Trump, was elected. What would you like to have seen Queen Cacklepants done differently? Hmmmm . . . I wonder: would the changes be in the dirrection of more statism and less liberty, or the reverse? Please don't keep us in suspense!
ha ha
"Mitch McConnell signals to Republican Senate candidates:
Distance from Trump if necessary."
~ cnn
In my fantasy he merely renames Mar a Lago. Now The White House, he sends out tweets from his government in exile and all visitors are required to call him Mr. President.
Trump is now very very guilty of imagined future crimes.
I am surprised Pelosi and Nadler and LLR-lefty Chuck and the rest of the marxists havent yet called for impeachment hearings on Future Crimes...
....but the day is still young.
Ah we've now suffered through almost four years of the tattered legions of Hillary lovers mourning the loss of St. Hillary to that barbarian Yankee Trump--she was from Arkansas --for a while at least. Oh if she had just won, there'd be free 7 Up and rainbow stew for all!
Well we've seen that movie--and this historian/fantasist from UVA predicts there'll be a second reel when Trump loses? Well whether he wins or loses there'll be a replay of one side or the other wailing and grashing their teeth in the street. I'd prefer that the wailers be members of the Lost Legions of Hillary, but we shall see.
“Hopefully, when Trump is out of power many (it is too much to imagine all, including his hardcore defenders on this blog) of his followers will realize what an unmitigated disaster his presidency was.”
Yes, doubtful. Like the good Trumpists they are, they will probably erect statues to Trump like the south erected statues to their failed leaders. Oh what fun the youngsters will have pulling them down.
I think Ann's scenario is perfect for a running SNL skit.
SNL is still on, isn't it?
Dems have not respected Trumps bigger electoral college result
16 trimesters of witch hunts, warlock trials, and protests in progress. #HateTrumpsLove #HateLovesAbortion
Howard said...
The Biden plan is to appoint Kamala Harris Homeland Security Czarina where she will build reeducation camps throughout Red State Shitholes to exterminate the last vestiges of Trumpian cultists.
Howie,
The cultists are postmodern Marxists on your side of the aisle. They will come for you later, unless you publicly validate their plan to tear it all down and then build it back into their version of Utopia. You down with that, bro?
If they come to get me and many others, they better bring a lot of firepower.
The South could never have won. Their plan was to run out the clock by electing a Southern-sympathizer into the White House. They didn't have the men nor the materials to actually win on the battlefield.
The North won because of three generals: Grant, Sherman and Montgomery Meigs. Grant and Sherman had the guts to keep on fighting, even after losing a battle or two. Grant believed in never going backwards and giving up ground he had already won. Sherman was a master of maneuver who would flank the Southern armies in the Mississippi theater. Montgomery Meigs was the Quartermaster General who kept them supplied with food, ammunition and other material. There are pictures of the sea of Conestoga supply wagons. The Northern troops never missed a meal and always had shoes and uniforms. The Southern boys had forage for all of that, do their own sewing and were often walking bare foot.
Freder. What are you going to say when Comey or Brennan is indicted for perjury and corruption in office?
They will be jumping out of windows.
Would that it were true.
They're like the monasteries in the in the Medieval era
You're just as bad and toxic as the leftists with whom you are a collaborator.
The monasteries of the Medieval era not only kept scholarly knowledge alive, but they were the forerunners/creators of European civilization.
sunsong: "ha ha
"Mitch McConnell signals to Republican Senate candidates:
Distance from Trump if necessary."
~ cnn"
"cnn"....LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Hey, did "cnn" ever figure out if that missing airliner really did get sucked into a black hole?
#LeftyLLR-lefty"Science"
I went to bed on election night in 2016 expecting to have to listen to that vile shrew Hillary for four years. I think hearing the next day that Trump won added a decade to my life.
I expect Trump to win re-election. I don't want to return that added decade. And I don't want to hear Joe Biden, who has dementia, address the nation, ever.
"Minneapolis police tell residents to obey criminals and ‘be prepared’ to be robbed."
"The MPD has reported a 46 percent increase in carjackings and a 36 percent increase in robberies compared to this same time last year, according to WCCO"
https://alphanewsmn.com/minneapolis-police-tell-residents-to-obey-criminals-and-be-prepared-to-be-robbed/
I just hope we can get the whole country under Democrats so we can all enjoy the success we see in their cities. Then a lot of us would not have to run away from them, because there will be nowhere to run to. It's a vision of success, progress, progressivenism for all.
What kind of moron thinks Trump voters admire him only for "efforts to forestall illegal immigration, protect White suburbs and battle China".
They admire him for his massive success in growing the economy right up until the Kung Flu hit, which they expect to resume as soon as we can get people back to work. Despite the silly prof's nasty little dig about "White suburbs", Trump voters are proud of the fact that black unemployment was the lowest on record in February, and they hope it will set new records in the next year or two.
They also admire him for his foreign policy successes: he's the first president since Coolidge (?) not to start any wars, and he totally crushed ISIS. Why does no one talk about the fact that ISIS took over half of Syria and a third of Iraq under Obama's watch, and was holding open slave markets at which they sold Yazidi women as sex slaves? Now the few ISIS members left alive are hiding in caves along the Syrian-Turkish border, afraid to even stick their heads out for fear of American drones. And all at a very low cost in American (or allied, for that matter lives) - under Bush we lost thousands of troops in the area, but were more or less winning, under Obama we still lost hundreds while losing and letting ISIS kill, rape, and enslave hundreds of thousands, but under Trump we've lost maybe dozens while winning a decisive and complete victory. And the silly prof either doesn't know or doesn't care.
Someone up above predicted that if Trump wins, the Democrats will take it to the Supreme Court. That’s a lock. It’s obvious that there will be massive problems with counting all the mail-in ballots. New York hasn’t finished counting the ballots from a congressional primary election that took place about a month ago. The opportunities for mistake let alone mischief are vast. The courts will be busy for months sorting all the claims out and it’s very likely that one or more of these cases will end up in the Supreme Court. Since violations of local election law are theoretically not reviewable by the Court, the Court will have to be inventive in finding ways to hear those cases as it did in 2000.
Rusty said...
Freder. What are you going to say when Comey or Brennan is indicted for perjury and corruption in office?
Nothing. Like Hooper in Jaws (who died in the book), he hasn't the education to admit when he's wrong.
THE Lost Cause was really just A lost cause. There have been many others, before and since, and probably during. But anything will do to tie Trump to all bad things ever.
Trump has steered closer to the rule of law than his predecessor. Should he lose in November he will leave - and probably happily. I know Ann is just trolling because she too smart to fall for tis bullshit.
Incidentally, where is Hillary?
“Honest Government Ad: A Message From The White House”
"Mitch McConnell signals to Republican Senate candidates:
Distance from Trump if necessary."
We know what happened to GOP candidates in 2016 who distanced themselves from Trump. Oh, and just what kind of 'signal' was this? One of those obscure hand signs affiliated with the Freemasons?
sunsong @12:37pm...
It’s difficult to find anything sadder than an old, shop-worn, feminist Marxist.
I've got a fantasy of my own. Want to hear it? It's a sweet little fantasy, and I hope it will make everyone feel good. So... Trump wins i November and all the asshole lefties who refused to accept the results of the election last time Trump won decide to recognize they need to change their ways if they want to help humanity. Those who don't accept it kill themselves...
I hope my little fantasy makes everyone feel good!
@ Gadfly’s 3:47 link. That is truly excellent work.
You remember how responsible and patriotic the Democrats were about losing the Presidency in 2016? They will be just as responsible and patriotic when Trump wins again in 2020.
Inga, see my responses to Freder. I address the same questions to you.
A set of opinion polls for Howard.
Are leftists girly men ? Guess the results.
"The South could never have won. Their plan was to run out the clock by electing a Southern-sympathizer into the White House. They didn't have the men nor the materials to actually win on the battlefield."
False. Very, very false. The British Government was on the verge of recognizing the Confederacy and intervening in the Civil war in the fall of 1862. Had Bragg's invasion of Kentucky succeeded and Lee had been able to inflict a more decisive defeat on Pope, the Confederacy would've survived the war.
Uh, are leftists actually brain-dead enough to think Trump keeps people he doesn't trust as security? If he didn't have the power to restructure his Secret Service detail, he would have simply removed them from the role and built a new organization. Because he's had a private army for longer than most of you have been alive, and if he didn't have top notch security he would have paid at least $50 million total in ransom money for Ivanka by now. Barron would have murdered his kidnappers and returned home under his own power.
It's the same reason the military theoretically trying to invade New York would have been suicide- at least it was, until the mayor's office bizarrely made mortal enemies of the NYPD. I think Mike Bloomberg is scum, the type of traitor who should have been expressly prohibited from holding American citizenship and political influence, but even I know he has a heavily armed security detail. Leftists are now openly hoping for a coup to remove the President- which is reasonable, because I'm hoping for a coup to hang them like it's Laundry Day- but that makes them complete fucking RETARDS for alienating and attacking the men with guns that they need for success, never mind legitimacy.
My likelier scenario:
Biden loses badly. Trump wins 40 states. Democratics allege Russians stole the election. But without a majority in the House, they are powerless to do anything about it. Speaker Jim Jordan is terrific.
False. Very, very false. The British Government was on the verge of recognizing the Confederacy and intervening in the Civil war in the fall of 1862. Had Bragg's invasion of Kentucky succeeded and Lee had been able to inflict a more decisive defeat on Pope, the Confederacy would've survived the war.
Nope. The Confederacy's only chance was that Sherman would not take Atlanta. Jeff Davis blew it when he removed Joe Johnston because he could not stop Sherman. Lee was done after Gettysburg.
Define "on the verge" of recognizing the Confederates, please. And big counterfactual certainties are easily matched by others, for instance--
Had Bragg's invasion of KY been less successful and Lee been killed at Second Manassas, then the war would have been a complete defeat of the Cornfeds by 1863/64. Easy as pie.
And besides, if the British gummint HAD declared war, it may have led to riots and worse among the largely pro-Union middling and working classes (some of whom after all went on strike to support Abolition in our OTL*) of Great Britain. The less said about Nappy the Little in this context the better, but there was also Russia-- the Tsar's gummint openly supported the Union cause too.
What ifs . . . if we had some ham we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.
Narr
There's a Lincoln statue in Manchester UK (or at least there was one) to commemorate it all
To continue the digression into re-fighting the Civil War/War Between the States/War of Northern Aggression: No matter what Gen. Bragg did or didn't do, after Lincoln announced the Emancipation Proclamation, there was no way the Brits could have done anything to save the Confederacy.
Electing the Dem candidate in November, 1864 was the only path left to a CSA for nationhood since all hope they had of of a winning a military victory died on May 10, 1863 , in time for Lee to blow it all at Gettysburg two months later. The CSA had won all its victories due to a Scots Irish Calvinist General named T. J. Jackson beginning when he won First Bull Run with his 2000 man brigade holding Henry Hill like a stone wall against three massed Federal assaults. His death destroyed the South’s morale and hope.
So many great comments here, Trump 2020
Not making my Country communist you nut jobs.
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/kansas-should-go-f-itself
Luv it!
Keep feeding the zombies
Tainted craniums !
"Ed Y.29 min
As an Asian American Republican in Southern California, I also couldn’t pull the trigger for Trump. Instead I also cast my vote for Johnson. But the overwhelming hatred and attacks from all quarters has motivated me to vote straight Republican come November. I have relatives and friends in SoCal who are independent. They are frightened by the images of cities burning, and outraged by the blatant hypocrisy of the press. They’ve told me privately they are voting Trump. These people are watching Fox News and Tucker Carlson, something I never would have thought possible. Will Trump win? Biden is clearly the favorite as of now but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Trump wins again.
Caroline E. Janney said...
"It’s easy to imagine Trump supporters looking backward at his presidency as a golden era, touting efforts to forestall illegal immigration, protect White suburbs and battle China..."
Ah, one of the best kinds of bigots, the White Academic. In three fragments of that sentence, she not only said Orange Man Bad but also White Folks Bad. Now, not all Academics are bigots. Certainly, AA is not one. But what's fascinating about many White Academics is the amount of White-shaming they engage in and the fact that they are ashamed of being White.
Side note, Madame La Professeur...I know it's a scenario in your head about Trump and Biden being in The White(?) House together, but, I think, for the good of the Old Republic, Trump would accept whatever results and leave.
One of Althouse's favorite movies is My Dinner With Andre. She basically just proposed My Dinner With Donald.
The WaPoo WaPoops again!
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