"... as Greece today tried to fend off an 'invasion' of people after Turkey threw open its borders. More than 13,000 migrants have gathered on the Turkish side of the river which runs 125 miles along the frontier and separates them from Greece, and therefore the EU. Greek police were today firing tear gas at the crowds, as migrants tried to swim across the river or squeeze through fences at one of the few land crossings, although only dozens have succeeded so far. One child died when a dinghy boat capsized during a sea crossing, the Greek coast guard said today. Turkish security forces also claimed that a Syrian migrant had died from injuries after a clash with Greek security forces, but Athens has today branded the claim 'fake news.'.... Turkish leader Erdogan... [told] party supporters in Ankara: 'After we opened the doors, there were multiple calls saying "close the doors." I told them it's done. It's finished. The doors are now open. Now, you will have to take your share of the burden. Hundreds of thousands have crossed, soon we will it will reach millions'..."
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70 comments:
So why doesn't NATO and the EU help Turkey out? Why is the Syrian civil war STILL Going on? wouldn't it be more humane to just let the "Bad Guys" win? Whoever they are.
The reporting on the subject by the US Press has been terrible. Other than bashing Trump and squawking about our "Noble Kurdish allies" - we get nothing from them.
hmmm...
on the One Hand, the 'real' crisis of covfefe19; with a fatality rate of 0.0000045%?
on the OTHER HAND, another Muslim invasion of Europe?
Which to worry about? Which to Worry About?
The final invasion begins. Europe must decide whether to resist, or submit.
Yeah. Good luck with that Europe.
Ergodan has no problem with the Muslim invasion of Europe.
I recommend we send Greece about 200 full grown alligators. That should discourage migrants from swimming across the river.
hombre said...
Ergodan has no problem with the Muslim invasion of Europe
Not at all. It's just a weapon to him. Europe doesn't seem to realize it is at war, so it's not likely to win.
Good luck Europe or maybe, call back all your ambassadors and stop doing business with Turkey? Like RIGHT NOW!
Gadaffi made similar threats. And we see how well that turned out. Trying to being down the Assad regime was a colossally stupid endeavor.
Good luck Europe or maybe, call back all your ambassadors and stop doing business with Turkey? Like RIGHT NOW!
What?! Europe should be placating Turkey.
Erdogan directed some of the militias against gaddafi, like the Libyan shield,
Finally! More wonderful "spark of divinity" folks from "down south" coming up to replace those horrific and deplorable western whites in European nations who have no color, no culture, no history or values worth preserving....
....I'm just going off that last couple of US university admissions pamphlets I've read lately.......
The EU has sown the wind and they shall reap the whirlwind.
The final invasion begins. Europe must decide whether to resist, or submit.
And this time, neither Britain nor the US will bail them out.
"Europe should be placating Turkey."
Either placating or attacking. The present path certainly won't work.
The West WILL get to know the true nature of Islam one way or the other. Leaders in the West have refused to read, and take measures to resist, the consistent and constant history of jihad, spanning 1400 years, carried on by Muslims.
Erdogan is practicing jihad.
Camp of the Saints. This has been going on for 20 years or so. Europe is not having enough babies to replace their old and dying population. Their largest increase in population is from migrating populations. Not a dribble, but by the thousands. The schools are so politically correct, that Europe's actual history- it's good and bad- are being siphoned off for new histories.
In a short 10-20 years, Europe will be very very different.
None of this is news. There have been people commenting and writing books on this subject for years (Camp of the Saints. Londonistan. The Strange Death of Europe.) There will be skirmishes and hiccups, but the reality is that some of Europe have a new look. Interestingly, those European countries that are the most nationalistic are the ones who will retain their identity.
Per J. Farmer: Trying to being down the Assad regime was a colossally stupid endeavor.
Not sure of your intended wording here but if you're saying that trying to depose Assad was a mistake, then you are certainly right and so was Tulsi Gabbard, who had the guts and insight to observe this at the time.
They can never escape a shithole. Anywhere they go immediately becomes a shithole.
We need to send Greece automatic weapons and ammo. They need to realize that their lives depend upon it to stop this illegal immigration that will overrun their country. Also, what kind of people name this island that is being over run "Lesbos"? On second thought, maybe the Greeks need to be replaced.
The rest of Europe will do as they like, but I doubt that any of these migrants will end up in Poland or Hungary.
They have long memories there.
Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This is no different than Muslim invasions of the Middle Ages.
But what will be the modern Battle of Tours?
What?! Europe should be placating Turkey.
What a bizarre statement.
Blogger Browndog said...
"What?! Europe should be placating Turkey.
What a bizarre statement."
Not necessarily. Either spend a few trillion accepting and trying (failing) to integrate the invaders, or send some smaller amount to Turkey to take care of the problem.
The Leviathan gas field.
There, now you know what the wanna be "Caliph" is up to.
Interesting, a "civil war", here, but not there; a saved and progressed war without borders. That said, without emigration reform, and mitigation of social justice zones, the illusion of a clean conflict will take its toll on Europe and the native populations left behind.
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Over the past four years Turkey has received 6 billion euros in EU financial assistance to pay for room, board, and education for the Syrian refugees
Now Erdogan has broken the deal and is illegally sending the migrants in mass across the border into Greece
This sort of thing is trivially easy to handle. You issue a shoot-on-sight order for the alleged refugees, and firmly stick to it while the media shouts all sorts of outrage about it.
You know what then happens? Zero Syrians try to cross from their safe haven in Turkey into Greece, because they don't want to be shot. You get nobody dying trying to make the passage, no crowded refugee camps, none of it.
Europe, this just doesn't seem to be your year.
Steven said...
This sort of thing is trivially easy to handle. You issue a shoot-on-sight order for the alleged refugees, and firmly stick to it while the media shouts all sorts of outrage about it
Yes, except when the media shouts about it, shoot them.
the invasion is the point, it's not an oversight,
the invasion is the point, it's not an oversight,
They thought they could have a nice, clean conflict, gerrymander their districts, redistribute some change, and avoid the blackmail that they first practiced on their citizens.
Steven said...
This sort of thing is trivially easy to handle. You issue a shoot-on-sight order for the alleged refugees, and firmly stick to it while the media shouts all sorts of outrage about it
Most of Europe's 'leaders' would sooner shoot their own citizens...
One of the guards just needs to yell "I think that one has corona virus!"
Blogger narciso said...
the invasion is the point, it's not an oversight,
Correct.
Syria
Libya
Now Greece. Not military just yet, but Turkish/Greek warships are on a collision course.
I see the desperate motives of the aristocracy are coming to a head.
The fed sure is doing it's best to crash the economy right now.
AllenS: Also, what kind of people name this island that is being over run "Lesbos"?
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Here's your answer, from wikipedia:
"Sappho was a prolific [ancient Greek poet, probably composing around 10,000 lines. Her poetry was well-known and greatly admired through much of antiquity, and she was among the canon of nine lyric poets most highly esteemed by scholars of Hellenistic Alexandria. Sappho's poetry is still considered extraordinary and her works continue to influence other writers. Beyond her poetry, she is well known as a symbol of love and desire between women,[3] with the English words sapphic and lesbian being derived from her own name and the name of her home island respectively. Whilst her importance as a poet is confirmed from the earliest times, all interpretations of her work have been coloured and influenced by discussions of her sexuality."
Next up, why do the Chinese call one of their many breeds of dog "Shitzu"? What kind of people would do that?
rocean said,
"So why doesn't NATO and the EU help Turkey out? Why is the Syrian civil war STILL Going on? wouldn't it be more humane to just let the "Bad Guys" win? Whoever they are."
"The reporting on the subject by the US Press has been terrible. Other than bashing Trump and squawking about our "Noble Kurdish allies" - we get nothing from them."
I agree the reporting has been terrible. This is one of many world stories that our left-wing media are not reporting on.
Having said that, here is my understanding of what is going on.
Turkey is attacking the Kurds everywhere. Not only in Syria but also in Iraq. And also of course the Turks are attacking some of the Kurds in Turkey, who constitute somewhere between 30 to 40 percent of Turkey's population.
The Syrian government is allied with the Russian government and the two work hand in hand in Syria.
Turkey is allied to what is left of Isis in Syria and supplies them with weapons and Turkish air support and also Turkish artillery strikes on Syrian government forces.
There is a real risk that the conflict between the Turkish government and the Syrian government will escalate to an actual war. So far this has not actually happened.
Both Isis and the Syrian government are clearly the bad guys. Both have repeatedly committed atrocities.
It is less than clear that Turkey is one of the good guys.
Turkey has already accepted huge amounts of aid from Europe to take care of refugees from Syria. Many of these "refugees" are actually from Africa and other places that are not of Syria, but they are pretty much all Muslim and Turkey pretends they are Syrian.
Turkey has as of two days ago reneged on its agreement with Europe and is pushing Muslims towards Europe because it claims Europe is not supporting Turkey sufficiently in its fight with the Syrian government (and Russia).
Turkey supports al queda (nusra front) and
Islamic state, iran and russia support hezbollah and the syrian army, pick your poison.
It's an invasion. And the EU deserves it. Fuck em.
Turkish side of the river which runs 125 miles along the frontier
Slightly OT but why does Turkey have a border with Greece? The natural border is the Bosphorus Straits. Greece must have lost a war.
Further OT but why is the UP Michigan and not Wisconsin? Did Wisconsin lose a war?
Technically the border is with bulgaria not greece.
Bill, Republic of Texas said, "Slightly OT but why does Turkey have a border with Greece? The natural border is the Bosphorus Straits. Greece must have lost a war."
Greece lost a war with Turkey a long time ago. Greece as recently as 116 years ago was part of the Ottoman Empire, the heart of which was what we today call Turkey.
A considerable part of the population of Greece is actually former Turks, Christian Turks, who were expelled from Turkey in the Muslim drive for purification that accompanied the fall of the Ottoman Empire and during which Turkey lost the 20% percent of its population that was Christian, either because they were killed, at least a million, or because they fled to Greece which of course was a natural destination because since it had so recently been part of the Ottoman Empire was still yet very similar.
“The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive."
“Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost? Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders? Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it?”
- Anonymous
July 6, 2017
Warsaw speech
The border area is called eastern rumalia, incorporated into bulgaria in 1885
"Further OT but why is the UP Michigan and not Wisconsin? Did Wisconsin lose a war?"
Actually, Michigan lost a war, and was awarded the UP as a consolation prize.
"The dispute [came] during the Toledo War (also known as the Ohio-Michigan War) ... On January 26, 1837, President Andrew Jackson signed a bill admitting Michigan to the union, making it the 26th state. However, Michigan would have to concede the Toledo Strip to Ohio, but was given the western three quarters of the Upper Peninsula in return.
Before signing, Michigan [felt] that the Upper Peninsula was a worthless region with nothing more than wilderness. [But] in the 1840s when it was discovered that the Upper Peninsula was a vast region of resources including copper and iron ore. Considered to have produced more mineral wealth than the California Gold Rush, the Upper Peninsula supplied 90% of the United States copper supply by the 1860s and was the largest supplier of iron ore by the 1890s.
Had Michigan won the Toledo War they would have acquire the Toledo Strip, meaning that the Upper Peninsula probably would have become a part of the Wisconsin Territory and later a part of the State of Wisconsin."
To Bill, Republic of Texas who asked: "Further OT but why is the UP Michigan and not Wisconsin? Did Wisconsin lose a war?" According to Mark Stein's book How the States Got Their Shapes, it wasn't Wisconsin who lost the war, but Michigan who lost a war over Toledo to Ohio. To make up for the loss, Michigan got the Upper Peninsula. And you thought Ohio vs Michigan was just a football rivalry. :)
There is an actual land border between Greece and Turkey that is contiguous with the border between Turkey and Bulgaria. The Turks, though, are more likely to release the migrants into the Aegean to land on the Greek islands- harder to patrol that access point.
At some point governments are going to have to stop calling them migrants and start calling them invaders. And repel them accordingly. What number constitutes an invasion? Do they have to be armed or is sheer force of numbers enough?
IMHO, people forcing a border crossing are fair game, as well as people crossing at other than designated entries. Like someone coming into your house through a window without permission -assume they're up to no good, and treat them accordingly.
Gangsta
as migrants tried to swim across the river
The correct word is "invaders", not "migrants".
as migrants tried to swim across the river
As house-guests jumped over the fence and tried to climb through the broken window...
So why doesn't he send these people back to their place of origin? Pretty sure many of them are not Syrian and if they are, and they get to Europe, Europe should send them right back seeing as how Turkey is partly at fault in what is happening there.
The pictures are mostly of men dragging kids along as human shields.
Submit to blackmail and Europe may as well be negotiating with terrorists.
Which they have a long history of doing.
The use of the word 'invasion' is certainly more accurate than 'immigration'. It's probably too late for the clueless EU but we shouldn't be conned [or shamed] into making a similar mistake.
The term 'invasion' also applied to the hordes who came by the thousands to our border last year from Guatemala and Honduras, although the chance of those who stayed of actually integrating into our society is much greater than is a Muslim population that has no desire to become actual Europeans in culture or values but are merely spreading Islam.
Yeah...no.
Who let this guy in again?
J. Farmer said...
Gadaffi made similar threats. And we see how well that turned out. Trying to being down the Assad regime was a colossally stupid endeavor.
3/2/20, 9:48 AM
J. Farmer said...
Good luck Europe or maybe, call back all your ambassadors and stop doing business with Turkey? Like RIGHT NOW!
What?! Europe should be placating Turkey.
3/2/20, 9:51 AM
These two remarks are inconsistent. As regards the Qaddafi parallel, Europe should be placating Turkey with a knife up Erdogan's anus.
Western press hasn't been covering the major news that Turkey is absolutely crushing Syria's military. They destroyed over _100_ tanks yesterday. Russia is basically watching it happen to their ally.
I don't think most of us had noticed that Turkey has become really strong.
The Toledo War story is cute, but elides an important fact -- every US territory that ever included Detroit included at least enough of the eastern part of the Upper Peninsula to include Sault Ste. Marie.
The original Northwest Territory, the 1800 version of the Northwest Territory, the 1803 version of the Indiana Territory, the 1805 version of the Michigan Territory, the 1818 version of the Michigan territory, the 1833 version of the Michigan territory, the 1836 version of the Michigan territory, or the 1837 state of Michigan . . . all of them included both Detroit and the part of the Upper Peninsula that contained Sault Ste. Marie.
On the other hand, two times (1800 Northwest Territory, 1805 Michigan Territory) the territory that included any part of the future Wisconsin didn't include Sault Ste. Marie. Any version of the border between Michigan and Wisconsin that left the whole UP to the latter would have been the first ever case of Milwaukee and Sault Ste. Marie both being included in an entity together without Detroit.
So the real answer is, the US government has always grouped at least part of the Upper Peninsula with Detroit, from the original Northwest Ordinance to today. Separating them would have been a change from the status quo, not grouping them.
dh and I are amusing ourselves of a snowy evening by watching old episodes of What's My Line. Not the least interesting for its historical perspective. At the close of last night's episode (from 1958) host John Charles Daly sent well-wishes to all the Hungarian refugees and my husband and I were all "there were Hungarian refugees?". Why yes, 200,000 of them as a matter of fact, fleeing the invading Soviets. All repatriated in a relatively short span to 37 different countries. How did this happen so quickly and what is preventing it today?
After Ataturk beat the Greeks in Anatolia in 1922(?), hundreds of thousands of Greek-speakers fled to Greece and similar numbers of Muslims were forced out of mainland Greek territory.
The sack and pillage of Smyrna/Izmir is just one episode in a long chain of atrocities on both sides.
Narr
Go Greeks!
I wish the open borders crowd would consider what would happen if several million people decided to cross into our country in a short amount of time. It's bad enough with the million or so who come across now. Would they also qualify for public assistance? Where would we house them all? How about schools, health care, and all of their other needs? What if it happened not just once but year after year? At what point do we say "enough"? Personally, I think we reached that point a long time ago. Having a welfare state and open borders is a surefire recipe for financial ruin.
p.s. I wrote above comment before reading all the preceding comments. Phidippus at 10:07 was apparently familiar with the Hungarian refugee situation.
"The Toledo War story is cute, but elides an important fact -- every US territory that ever included Detroit included at least enough of the eastern part of the Upper Peninsula to include Sault Ste. Marie."
No eliding, just rushed reading perhaps: "[Michigan would be] given the western three quarters of the Upper Peninsula in return"
Surprised so few commenters seem to know about the 1923 "population exchange between Greece and Turkey"— you can look it up on Wikipedia under that title — which followed Greece's defeat in the 1922 Greco-Turkish War. This forced population exchange was based on religious beliefs,involved 1.6 million people,and was the subject of an international agreement signed by the two governments at Lausanne. It was the culmination of a series of democides and expulsions which reduced the Christian population of present-day Turkey from some 4 million to 700,000 between 1912 and 1924.
In the Muslim culture, most men seem to have no issues with making women and children do the preponderance of physical labor, while they themselves are content to spend their days drinking tea, lazing wherever they find a chair, and living off the welfare largesse of their country of residence.
Good luck with that, Europe!
Was Jean Raspail an optimist?
Build that wall!
I remember the 80s. I don't remember the Greeks backing us against the Commies.
So F them. It's the EU's problem, let the EU handle it
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