"Perhaps the hardship will make them heartier, or maybe more anxious. Or the long lens of history will reveal this as a time when teens’ addiction to social media and virtual communication – the focus of such parental angst — brought unexpected salvation. But for now, we’re all still in the woods, amid school closings and canceled graduations and proms, the fresh demands of distance learning and the persistent drone of children whining to be with their friends. The fault lines of modern parenting that separate those who can draw a firm line from those loathe to say 'No' have never been more exposed. Elisa would say 'No' if she felt it would matter, but her son’s nature isn’t going to change overnight. Julian loves people and the outdoors. ('Adrenaline rush, that’s my kind of thing,' he says.) Plus he’s impulsive — a trait of his ADHD — and boyishly 'hard-headed,' said his mother, despite him turning 18 in October."
From "He’s 18 and wants to hang with 'his boys.' His mom hasn’t been able to stop him" (WaPo).
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Maryland just issued a "stay at home" order.
What about his dad?
My Uncles joined the Navy at 18 in WWII. He needs to get his shit together.
What if we look back on this time and realize, yet again, the media cried wolf?
What if we look back on this time and 150,000 people in a year were marked deceased, cause of death, Coronavirus. But also, in the course of that same year, wherein normally 75,000 would die of the flu and 160,000 would die of Bronchitis, Emphysema, Asthma, etc, only about half that died?
On other words, about 250,000 people die every year of those things and we don't destroy people's lives economically because of it.
What if all combined, Coronavirus, flu, emphysema, asthma and bronchitis deaths are still around 250,000?
Then what?
I've often said to my husband that I'm grateful our children aren't teenagers yet. I can hardly imagine being on relative lockdown with a rebellious teen, but I bet it isn't fun. Plus, the pressures of homeschooling are probably much higher with older kids.
Ours are 9, 7, 5 and almost 3, so we read a lot, play a lot with legos, and occasionally drill arithmetic facts around the dinner table and it's eminently manageable. Good ages to be quarantined with, even if it is a little frustrating at times.
Most people recognize the serious nature of breast cancer, but recognize that the most drastic response (double mastectomy) may be an overreaction.
Most people recognize the serious nature of the 9/11 attack, but feel that the most drastic response (War on Terror) may have been an overreaction.
Most people recognize the serious nature of Saddam Hussein's attempt to develop dangerous weapons, but feel that the most drastic response (War in Iraq) was an grave overreaction.
Many people recognize the serious nature of a murderous act, but feel that the most drastic response (death penalty) is an overreaction.
Y'all get my drift? In the heat of passion, sometimes we call for serious measures in reaction to an event, and, in hindsight, well, maybe we shouldn't have overreacted.
This is not some brilliant insight. Just normal observation.
Oh good grief. None of the events really compare to the life changing events that my parents went through. The Great Depression, WW2, the Cold War, and the Vietnam war were real life changers. I don't think 911 or the 2008 recession were in the same category. And this lockdown certainly won't be, as long as the death toll is 100-200 thousand.
Like i said yesterday, I think there's a reasonable middle ground between locking everything down and doing nothing. But we're stuck on one extreme.
Decades are back. The idea that everything changed every ten years came to be common in the 20th century. Maybe they never went away. If you are thirty now, 9/11, the Great Recession, and the pandemic dramatically divide your life into three segments. The divisions don't seem to be reflected very well in art or music or fashion or lifestyles, though.
I had two Uncles who were NYC cops in 70s.
One of them, Uncle Richie (who sadly passed away 5 years ago), had the following assignment for nearly a year -- he had to go undercover as a cabbie, driving around Times Square, basically waiting to get held up by gunpoint.
He was strung pretty tight. Loving as hell to me, his nephew from California, mean as hell to the rest of humanity. Smoked two packs of cigarettes a day to calm his nerves, died at age 70 from a heart attack.
The non-Snowflake generation!
This wont shape a generation.
It will be memory holed as fast as possible.
People wont want this topic brought up because they acted so poorly during the event.
It will be impolite to talk about it.
ah, wapo doing feminist theory, by way of a middle school journalism class. Love that they included the 'male' diseases of adhd or what ever name they are calling it now. Perfect story actually. For people who live in a bubble, and have no knowledge of the outside world.
I picture a soviet style poster, with an heroic female leading her people to victory, while grinding nazis under her work boots.
I was thinking that it seems that every 20 years or so, our country experiences a generation-shaping event. I think this is it for 2020. 20 years ago, it was 9/11. 20 years before that, perhaps the Iran Hostage Crisis. 20 years before, the Kennedy assassination. 20 years before, WWII. Each of these transformed the mindset of all Americans for years to come.
I graduated from college in 1971. Young people always tell me I couldn’t possibly understand their struggle entering the work world after the economic collapse in 2008.
I graduated in the midst of the OPEC oil embargo, a dramatic recession, steep unemployment and lines of cars for blocks waiting for gas.
All things must pass. I did OK over time. In fact, I did quite well.
18 year olds who want to build a "fort" out in the woods and huddle together to "chill"? This sounds like the gayest thing in the world.
This pandemic has revealed a lot of bad parenting. I put myself in that category too. My oldest three are much better behaved than the last two. But it can be corrected. It takes time and a lot of energy.
Thought exercise... google "Listen Here Trunk", follow the links and listen. There now, relax!
Google search string... Listen Here Trunk. Follow the links and watch. Feel better now?
Let's hope this is it.
Back in 1939 they were worried about so many things, that quarantine didn't even register in the national memory.
Achilles said...
This wont shape a generation.
I agree with Achilles. The virus will have little or no effect, less sure about the economic consequences.
My daughter faces almost no risk and likes being off school. She is a self-learner and is actually learning more now that school doesn't get in the way. To be fair, the school provided a really excellent set of packets for her to move forward with and she gets some instruction via Zoom. She keeps in touch with her friends electronically. The internet makes this all relatively easy for her.
It is remarkable how little there is about the Spanish Flu, which killed millions worldwide, in the biographies I've been reading of Connie Mack, Winston Churchill, Huey Long and Woodrow Wilson, whose careers spanned that time.
If ARM and Achilles are on the same page, bet WITH them:)
Interestingly, Churchill's The World Crisis which I recently read doesn't mention the Flu at all that I can recall.
The current generation will not be affected for life because of the Coronavirus because everyone understands a pandemic and we are mostly all on the same side.
What will affect the current generation for the rest of their lives is Trump. As Ann points out in the hippo story below, commenters have to bring up Trump in response to everything in their lives. They have been infected with this hate/disgust, and I don't think they will ever get over it. They will look back 50 years from now and remember the great cataclysm of Trump
johns said...
They have been infected with this hate/disgust, and I don't think they will ever get over it. They will look back 50 years from now and remember the great cataclysm of Trump
3/30/20, 11:25 AM
And if the media/historians get their way, the history will be how "Trump tore the country apart", not the reality of "how the media /Dems / academia used Trump to tear the country apart".
"Interestingly, Churchill's The World Crisis which I recently read doesn't mention the Flu at all that I can recall."
Right. Churchill -- the leader, statesman, historian and prolific writer of 50 or so books. Do we think he simply forgot about the Spanish Flu of 1918?
Of course not. The Spanish Fluwas superimposed over an existing epidemic -- an epidemic of bullets (and bacteria) killing cold, shivering, young men in foreign lands in World War 1.
Did 9/11 "shape a young generation"? If so, how?
Twenty years later, most young people barely remember. And of course, there are many people and institutions that are eager for them not to remember.
"On other words, about 250,000 people die every year of those things and we don't destroy people's lives economically because of it.
What if all combined, Coronavirus, flu, emphysema, asthma and bronchitis deaths are still around 250,000?
Then what?"
Then we did all we could! We had real calculations! What if we hadn't! The experts told us!
I've been recording and graphing the daily WI from here:
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/outbreaks/index.htm
New cases in the last 5 days:
3/25: 128
3/26: 122
3/27: 135
3/28: 147
3/29: 123
Graphed, it looks like new WI cases rising linearly, not exponentially (viral). Newly reported cases lag infections by about two weeks, and less than two weeks ago it was pretty easy to spot people not taking any precautions whatsoever. Once enough people start taking precautions, maybe we can see the daily infection rate plateau.
Heck at this rate more people may have died from 9/11 than Wuhan flu. . . . . . .
The important thing to keep in mind is that, going forward, if someone dies and they are tested positive for COVID-19, regardless of their actual cause of death, it will be tallied as a COVID-19 related death, so the number of COVID-19 deaths will continue to increase.
if someone dies and they are tested positive for COVID-19, regardless of their actual cause of death, it will be tallied as a COVID-19 related death
Conflation of causes is a real problem in these politically charged times, and a first-order forcing of social contagion, mismanagement of resources, and progressive collateral damage.
@Michael the Magnificent,
The important thing to keep in mind is that, going forward, if someone dies and they are tested positive for COVID-19, regardless of their actual cause of death, it will be tallied as a COVID-19 related death, so the number of COVID-19 deaths will continue to increase.
...and be inflated.
Excellent point, must be emphasized and re-emphasized. Correlation is not causation. A 91 year old rabbi who is infected with the virus and dies, didn't really die because of the virus . Most sane folks would call this death "old age" or "natural causes".
9/11 begat the TSA and security theatre. The great recession begat the opportunity to pass stimulus spending that lines selected pockets but fails to stimulate.*. I don't know what new bureaucratic expansion will be the legacy of this current pandemic. I'm only certain that there will be one.
* - We're now finding out the purpose of that $25mil to the Kennedy Center which is now making a $5 million contribution to the DNC after firing all the frontine employees and musicians.
Stan Sr. ... said “Every five minutes, I have to lock him in the house to keep him from going someplace.”
IN the house? You should lock him OUT of the house. Change the locks. The guy may be on your Obamacare dependent list until age 26, but at 18 he is an adult.
"going forward, if someone dies and they are tested positive for COVID-19, regardless of their actual cause of death, it will be tallied as a COVID-19 related death, so the number of COVID-19 deaths will continue to increase."
This is already happening, certainly in Italy. In fact, I have not seen any expert express concern about it here--simply from an epidemiological standpoint, to understand the epidemic, you'd think everyone would want to know precisely how many deaths (per cases identified, per 1M population) are due specifically or mainly to Wuhan. Perhaps it's too early-- excess mortality is easier to identify in retrospect. But the fact that so few people even address the issue is one aspect of the collective overreaction.
If American experts have addressed the issue publicly and I missed it, I am happy to be corrected.
Hopefully it's the death knell of political correctness.
Shouting, you didn't even mentioned Vietnam and the draft!
So far I haven't seen a lot I would classify as "hardship". That may change, depending on exactly how the economy is affected, but so far I don't see this as one of those generation-forging moments.
Todd said...
And if the media/historians get their way, the history will be how "Trump tore the country apart", not the reality of "how the media /Dems / academia used Trump to tear the country apart".
It wont matter what happened.
It will only matter who gets to write about it.
I get that those with teenagers who are only children or with teenagers whose schools are done for the semester (with no mandatory work), are probably having a rougher time than I am with 3 high school age children (all boys), who are at home now completing their semester online. My boys will take a break from their studies and shoot basketballs in the driveway or kick a soccer ball around, so they aren't begging to get together with their friends. They have asked on a few occasions to meet up with friends/girlfriends and my husband and I refuse to let them. That being said, it is ridiculous that some parents can't parent and make decisions or rules that are unpopular with their kids. I can only imagine how Julian is going to react as a young adult in the workforce when his supervisors want him to do something he doesn't want to do.
To paraphrase Stalin; One death is a tragedy, 250,000 deaths is a statistic.
If the Kennedy Center did in fact donate $5MM to the DNC then even Democrats must regard them as swine and the DNC the same. A specific requirement was placed in law that politicians or relatives of politicians who were involved in passing the law could not benefit. This was to insult Trump somehow. If true the DNC is swine. Democrat pols who voted for the bill will directly benefit from this donation, money is fungible. I hope it is not true.
Did 9/11 really shape a generation of young Americans? How?
My wife and I are letting our teen son hang out with his friends. He’s a high school senior who just lost the best part of his 12 years of schooling - that wonderful senioritis time. And he’ll probably lose his graduation ceremony. So spare me the responsible parenting shit. You wanna be a scold? Go fuck yourself.
Wow, Stu, you sure are tightly wound up. I'm not fucking scolding anyone. If you and your wife want to let your senior hang out with his friends, go right ahead. I'm sure you'll get parent of the year. But last time I checked the math, your child is only missing the last 8 weeks or so of his senior year, not the entire year. Sure, he will probably miss the prom and maybe graduation ceremony, and that surely will suck, but it's not the fucking end of the world. A lot of schools are considering postponement of these events and other alternate methods to make this happen. But, this is a pandemic, an unprecedented time that very few of us have lived through. Not sure about you, but a lot of my friends and family members who are doctors, nurses and other health care professionals are begging parents to keep their teenagers and young adults away from others because of what they are seeing in the hospitals right now. It's a free country you can do whatever you want to do...
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