BREAKING: Pete Rose asks MLB for reinstatement, cites no punishment for Astros players for electronic signs-stealing. "There cannot be one set of rules for Mr. Rose and another for everyone else," Rose's 20-page petition to Manfred says. https://t.co/9CRCHBXkUy
— Don Van Natta Jr. (@DVNJr) February 5, 2020
February 5, 2020
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I'm with Pete. $200 on the Red to win.
I would keep Rose on the ineligible list (he bet on baseball and lied about it) but I would allow him in the hall of fame. In fact h's career, his offense and the league's punishment of him should be the first thing you see when you enter the hall.
He won't and shouldn't get it. I was a huge Pete Rose fan growing up- The Reds were my favorite team- but he knew gambling on baseball was a big no-no for a player and did it anyway. Lifetime ban was the appropriate punishment.
Put a * next to his name.
"Put a * next to his name."
Put at least 2 next to his name.
Soon there will be betting kiosks in all the MLB stadiums.
Rose was just ahead of his time, betting from the dugout.
I believe Rose and his records should be in the HOF.
I believe he should be in the Hall of Fame. It's not the Hall of Saints. His stats are unreal. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rosepe01.shtml
Rose comes out every few years and whines about not being in the HOF, so this is hardly breaking news!
I’ll take the under...
Betting on games you can influence is light years away from using cameras to steal pitch signs.
If fans ever suspect the outcomes of games are rigged, the multi-billion-dollar industry crashes down. It would be the death of the sport, requiring the career death penalty to discourage it.
Charlie Hustle: The greatest most deplorable least unelectable to the Hall of Fame misbehaving Hit King in MLB history
Rose's 20-page petition to Manfred says.
Good luck, Manfred couldn't even distinguish the difference between "Deuce" and "Douche".
Or is it Mighty Manfred the Wonder Dog?
Not to be confused with Manfred Mann's Mighty Quinn.
Some thought Pete would get in after Giamatti passed away.
But subsequent commissioners have been hard asses about it.
Also: Pete's done some color commentary on Fox Sports Network baseball coverage. His insights are awesome; he needs to be part of the game.
Keep him out of the Hall of Fame, but force him to manage the Astros.
Baseball looking other way during the 'steroid era' makes them a little hypocritical.
*Pete Rose*
Lolol
*Pete*Rose*
Last time I was in Cooperstown was over ten years ago, at the time Pete Rose had his own memorabilia shop literally right next door to the Hall. I don't know if it's still there, but I still have a coffee mug with his lifetime stats printed on it.
There is only one rule posted on the wall of every clubhouse in MLB - the one Pete broke. The penalty is permanent banishment.
The Hall is a separately run organization. They can do whatever they want. He should take it up with them.
They say the Giants were stealing signs in 1951 when Bobby Thompson hit 'the shot heard 'round the world'.
hmmm,
Wagering Money, ON YOUR OWN TEAM, TO LOSE!
vs
Trying to win games
i see the similarities... No wait, i really Don't!
I didn't like Pete after he slid in hard and then beat up my guy Bud Harrelson.
But I forgave him for that.
Ray Fosse fans may still hold a grudge, however.
If Pete gets into the Hall, he should publicly thank Hillary.
Yankees were cheating too, with the Apple Watch. Thing is, they never won anything.
Even the NFL had to briefly flash an image of OJ during their 100 year celebration.
The baseball hall of fame has a slew of sub-.300 hitters in it. I mean, Craig Biggio hit .281 with fewer than 300 home runs. What the heck is he doing in the hall of fame?
Rose was simply one of the greatest, most intense players to ever play the game. And he was a nutcase. But this is not the Hall of Sane. It's the Hall of Fame and used to be based on the on-the-field performance.
As an earlier commenter noted- sports gambling is not only a huge thing, it's about to become something you do AT the stadium. And you can say that the players are not to be betting. Good luck with that. (hey Joe, place a bet for me today).
1. Bets on game to win. Plays hard. Bookies know it.
2. Doesn't bet on game at all. Bookies also know it.
And the Hall can do whatever they want.
hmmm, Wagering Money, ON YOUR OWN TEAM, TO LOSE!
You really think the game could function with players betting on games they are in, with the assumption they pinky-swear not to ever bet against their team?
Some thought Pete would get in after Giamatti passed away.
Americans love a second chance. All he had to do is acknowledge the seriousness of his offense. Show that he understood why the rule was critical. He couldn't do it.
I believe all of the gambling allegations were related to his Managerial career, not his playing days. I will have to check to be sure.
Any evidence Rose bet against himself and then under perform
Rose's argument falls apart when you see that the punishments issued are to members of management... Like Rose was when he was punished. His comparison to unpunished players is and apples/oranges thing.
That said, I believe that MLB should tell the HOF not to use their ineligible list (intended to keep him out of MLB operations) as a restriction to Hall membership.
Are the other guys from that magical time in the HOF? Morgan, Concepcion, Bench, Griffey, Foster, Geronimo?
Pete Rose is the only Major League Baseball player banned from the game based on a mutual agreement (with Commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti). Rose admitted his guilt and Giamatti said the MLB would not make a formal finding of guilt or innocence of the charges. He also stated that Rose could apply to be reinstated on a yearly basis and if he could show evidence of a "redirected, reconfigured, and rehabilitated life," he may be reinstated. Giamatti died eight days later.
Considering the lifestyle of many professional athletes and their scorched dearth of virtuous role-modelling behavior, (see an example here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sportspeople_convicted_of_crimes) and the nebulous, aspiring alliterative assonance notwithstanding, I say Pete has paid for his crimes.
They will never reinstate Pete Rose because Bart Giamatti the commissioner who shitcanned Charlie Hustle died young. Ipso therefore facto, it would dishonor the dead dying and suffering of the Giamatti family to take back his greatest achievement.
"If Pete gets into the Hall, he should publicly thank Hillary."
😂
Pete Rose bet against his own team while manager, and then lied about it. He's out. Forever.
Yeah he bet against his own team, but that had ZERO to do with how he managed.
Honest Injun.
Judas priest, how stupid are people?
Rose did this KNOWING that betting on baseball got you the death penalty. He then lied about it, before the facts showed he was lying. Then he came clean. But yeah, in a country that almost elected Hillary, who gives a shit? Lying liars and the people who love them.
Joe Morgan and Johnny Bench are in the HoF. Concepcion might eventually get in through the old-timers route. Additionally, Tony Perez is in the HoF.
Thanks for getting my joke, Yancey.
Actually, we should all thank Hillary. I know I do, every day, because without her being the Democrat's nominee in 2016, I'm nearly certain I never would've voted for Trump, at the last agonizing minute and America might very well never be great again.
Sparky.
Pete compares himself to players who have not been punished when the valid comparison is to management,
four of whom have been dismissed or tainted. Pete was a manager when he broke the rules.
Sign stealing has been considered a legal dark art of the game since the advent of signs. The current issue
is the use of new technology to do so. Gambling has been outlawed since 1919 and is the only rule that is
posted above the entrance to every MLB clubhouse. Pete owing his bookie a large sum of money is a worse
situation than who he bet on or against. Pete says he never bet against his own team. Pete lies a lot.
What evidence is there that Rose bet on his own team to lose? As a player or manager?
I ask this not to make a plea for leniency for him - if he bet at all on baseball while active in MLB he should be forever on the ineligible list - nut I've never heard that he bet against his own team.
Pete belongs in the Hall.
"I would keep Rose on the ineligible list (he bet on baseball and lied about it) but I would allow him in the hall of fame.,"
Major League Baseball, through this same commissioner, has already told Rose that the Hall of Fame is a separate entity and that MLB doesn't take a position on who the Hall inducts. MLB has also allowed Rose to be honored within baseball - for instance, he was inducted into the Reds team Hall of Fame in 2016. Baseball also has not blocked his employment as an analyst.
About all the ban does is stop his employment within baseball, which stops him from claiming insider status. He thinks reinstatement would also circumvent the Hall's rule against ineligibles being inducted, but the fact is that Rose didn't run afoul of the rule - the rule was put in place to keep Rose out. His constituency among Hall of Famers was probably always overstated, and it's shrunk every time it's turned that Pete was lying. He's not uninductable, he's unlectable, too.
Pete Rose agreed to a lifetime ban.
Next.
Fuck 'em. Not now. Not ever.
The thing I never got was, Pete never bet against his own team-- that would certainly be corrupt. That would be Black Sox stuff. Truly, just taking the field is a bet that your own team will win.
We really don't know that Pete never bet against the Reds. He lied about betting on baseball, he lied about betting on the Reds. He went to jail for routing bets through another person to avoid paying taxes on the winnings, he may have routed bets through others for other reasons. We don't know.
When the Astros commit the offense that is clearly stated in the rules to carry a punishment of lifetime banishment -- betting on the game -- then Rose will have a point.
Look at it this way Pete -- you get to be in the company of the great Shoeless Joe Jackson.
Rose can be reinstated and allowed in the Hall of Fame when Bart Giamatti says it is OK.
Rule 21(d)(2) --
"Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible."
Some thought Pete would get in after Giamatti passed away.
Some thought Pete would get in after he gave Giamatti a fatal heart attack?? Who?
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