Said transgender model and activist Kenny Ethan Jones, quoted in "For transgender men, pain of menstruation is more than just physical/Safety concerns and a lack of access to menstruation products are among the issues trans and gender-nonconforming people face during 'that time of the month'" (NBC News).
ADDED: I call bullshit on the assertion that the packaging is "pretty and pink." Tampon packages tend to be blue. The iconic tampon brand Tampax is packaged in blue and has been for decades. And it has not been distinctly "pretty." Rather, it looks serious and nondescript. Discretion is the idea!
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201 comments:
1 – 200 of 201 Newer› Newest»I have no trouble buying maxipads for my bike helmet, and I'm an actual guy.
Men buy feminine products for their wives and girlfriends all the time. They also hate it
Man who has a period. There's some massive suspension of disbelief she's asking us to participate in.
Nonplussed
YOU signed up for it. Deal with it.
Nature will always bring you back to reality.
And you think your life is hard!!
There's an ad for Always in that article and they are packaged in blue and Orange. Perhaps he should buy those
21st century western problems.
Not something to be greatly concerned about.
They don’t call it a curse for nothing.
"While they are sometimes available without cost in women’s restrooms,"
BS. I've never seen them free. You always have to pay for them
And then the article talks about the shame of carrying a tampon into a men's restroom. That is ridiculous. Put it in your freaking pocket like women do.
Lies and degeneracy and More Lies
Mental illness is awful, but almost all can be treated. I them to go for it.
But I refuse to watch others live in their psychosis.
This obsession others have with these poor people, is almost as sick as the sufferers.
Plug it with one of Gwyneth's candles. Do I have to think of everything?
If it bleeds, it leads.
I wrote an inspirational poem in the 80s featuring uplifting names of women's hygiene products in every line. I don't know if this naming trend has died out along with optimistic feminism.
They might try angry names for the products now. I'd predict a success.
>>Man who has a period. There's some massive suspension of disbelief she's asking us to participate in.
When you say "she", you ARE participating.
Plug it with one of Gwyneth's candles.
Tampon means plug. Like douche means shower. Take an ordinary word from French for female necessities in English. It makes it feminine.
Nobody's trademarked "The Rag." Feminine hygiene product names for the no-bullshit era. Or go with Le Chiffon in the traditional way.
When you say "she", you ARE participating.
This person is a woman: "transgender X" means "not X".
I wonder if the transgender model, the writer, or the editors had a moment of self awareness and realized how silly this article makes them look. Is it possible that this is some kind of elaborate put on?
>>When you say "she", you ARE participating.
in this case, no...the menstruating "transman" is a biological woman.
">>Man who has a period. There's some massive suspension of disbelief she's asking us to participate in.
When you say "she", you ARE participating"
No,hawkeyedjb is most decidedly NOT participating.
"Lies and degeneracy and More Lies"
Oh, my!
She is right in naming the problem "Gender Dysphoria."
Lies and degeneracy and More Lies
It's not called Fake News to honor its veracity.
I have no trouble buying maxipads for my bike helmet,
Well, if a woman dressed like a man can have a period, then I guess a motorcycle helmet that identifies as a bike helmet can have a period.
Put it in your freaking pocket like women do.
Concealed carry vs. open carry.
Debate the "merits" of this all you want, but I'm with this guy (ripped from twitter):
I laughed so hard I got a cramp. Does that count?
Mother. Of. God.
"Having a period already causes me a lot of [gender] dysphoria"
Glad she's facing up to her illness.
The acceptance and peddling of psychosis as though it were reality, with overtones of a civil rights struggle, is kind of depressing.
I am reminded of ecclesiastes:
"Consider god's work. Who shall make straight what he hath made crooked"
Is now
"Consider god's work. Who shall make crooked what he hath made straight"
There’s a high level of suicide for people like it.
Just buy it in Amazon.
Safety!
"In fact, the transgender murder rate is far lower than the murder rates for African Americans, poor Americans of all races, and “men” in general. Further, most murders of trans persons are same-race domestic or personal disputes, not hate crimes."
Maybe DeWalt should consider a line of menstruation hygiene products. Contractor grade.
She’ll go through menopause at some point.
Fat Max.
Oh for God's sake, Kenny! Stop whining and acting like the little pussy. you really are. You chose to do this to yourself.
Periods are a pain, literally a pain...I agree. Get a hysterectomy then. Where is your commitment?? The good news is, IF you live long enough, then that bother goes away. It is called menopause. You think you are irritated now? Just wait until you can't sleep, are sweating like a horse and have random hot flashes. And still have to shave that beard or mustache. :-D
Bullshit on not having access to "feminine" products. The stores don't care who you are or what you look like when you are shopping. They will take your money. Go to Costco and buy pads by the ton. Use Amazon Prime. That crap will come in big brown boxes and you will have pads or whatever.
Stop the God Damned whining about yourself. NO ONE CARES. I am all out of give a fucks.
If it is that bad. Eat a bullet. Of course if you are in California, you will have to go to Nevada to purchase some 'relief'.
(reposted to fix spelling errors :-)
I have no trouble buying maxipads for my bike helmet, and I'm an actual guy.
They don't know that at the store though. They're all like, "Why....OH!"
Put it in your freaking pocket like women do.
Seriously. At least men's clothing usually has pockets that are useful for holding things. Pockets on women's clothing are often just for decoration so along with the pain, bloating, headaches and everything else, you have to remember to wear clothes with pockets that are more than 2 inches deep. I don't miss it.
Menstruation is sexist.
At least her balls never itch...
Is there a level above "First World Problems"? If so, this clearly fits.
If those type of products actually make sense then that would be a huge business opportunity for this person. Everything can be solved with the invisible hand
There's a day in the not too distant future you're going to be able to select your child's sex before birth. If they've got these kinds of problems with nature, imagine what that will be like for the parents.
"Having a period already causes me a lo of [gender] dysphoria..."
Yeah, yeah, yeah... and the voices in my head are causing my hallucinations.
Kenny Ethan Jones bitches too much to be a genuine man.
Engineers used to have mensuration tables, presumably to keep track of girlfriends. Nowadays there's an app.
Women can be well represented by Fourier series.
As DBQ points out...
Get a hysterectomy then!!!
if this gal, still has periods; don't that mean that she's a FULLY FUNCTIONAL FEMALE?
I understand, that; in our Brave, New World... genital surgery is not needed to pretend
BUT! IF YOU THINK YOU'RE A GODDAMNED GUY; WHY do you have a WOMB??
HELL!
Since, we love making new words these days; i'd like to propose A NEW WORD
IF, you are Man, that has a WOMB; how about we call you a Wombman?
I KNOW, it's a LOT of letters, but once we start using it; we could trim out a few?
hawkeyedjb: "Man who has a period. There's some massive suspension of disbelief she's asking us to participate in."
She and her lunatic pals are not "asking" us.
They are telling us we better participate, or else...
They are not going to like the "or else" part when they've pushed it too far out of their lefty/LLR-lefty enclaves.
This is without a doubt the stupidest article ever written.
WOMEN get periods. Only women. If you are having a period, guess what, you are a woman. If you think you'd rather be a dude, get rid of your uterus.
Every single girl who has experienced her first period (and grown boobs, and cried for no reason at nothing) has had that feeling of not being in control of her own body. That is PUBERTY. Do not think you are special or unique because that particular part of growing up sucked for you. It sucks. Period.
The expense of monthly tampons and pads is only an issue now that MEN have to worry about it? Literally HALF the world has had to deal with this but only now is it an issue?
Every dad of a daughter has had to buy one of those "pink" boxes (although strangely mine are usually blue, what's up with that) at some point. If dad can deal with it, you can, too. Grow a pair. Oh, wait.
Camile Paglia said once that transgenderism was robbing the lesbian world of all of the good bull dykes. In this case it’s hard to think of Kenny in that role.
" and cried for no reason at nothing”
I KNEW IT!
Coefficients would have a bivariate gaussian distrubution, i.e. negative exponential energy, representing mood swings. Unlike the usual engineering problem, the imaginary and real parts are both retained to represent women.
It's like the Schrodinger equation. You can't know where a woman is and where she's going simultaneously.
Click on my article people or I swear I’m gonna shut up!
Dark matter is responsible for cellulite. #astrophysics
Galaxies form around estrogen clouds.
"Having a period already causes me a lot of [gender] dysphoria, but this dysphoria becomes heightened when I have to shop for a product that is labeled as ‘women’s health’ and in most cases, is pretty and pink.""
Only women whine publicly about personal hygiene products not being made available for free by society. Men don't do that. But, then again she's not a man so...
Couldn't it just change back to being a woman during menstruation and be a man the rest of the time? It's just make believe anyway. I don't see the problem.
to review;
There are Many types of body dysphoria. Here are a few, and the standard treatments
Anorexia.............Doctors prescribe diet pills, and/or liposuction
Bulimia..............Doctors prescribe laxatives, and/or ipecac
Cutters (self harm)..Doctors prescribe scalpels, razor blades, and/or soldering irons
Since these types of body dysphoria are treated as life style choices, and/or realizations of THE WAY YOU REALLY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE; WHY do you transphobes think gender dysphoria should be treated any different? body dysphoria is body dysporia
CASE CLOSED!
oh, wait? What's that you say? We DON'T encourage Anorexics or Cutters to ruin their bodies?
never mind!
Actually the article is for women. Need to emote for entertainment gets clicks.
It turned out that there's something for everybody.
Gender dysphoria. You keep using that word, but I do not think you know what it means.
SORRY!
So much bullshit. This has to be an Onion article.
If this woman was serious about transitioning to a man she would be on hormones.
I'm not a doctor but I know this because one of our neighbors has breast cancer. That woman has much to complain about. She's in her 30s. married a few years ago and trying to have children. She got breast cancer. Then she found out she has a gene for breast cancer so she had a double mastectomy. Then they found the cancer spread to her lymphs.
After chemo she had to have radiation. Now she is at risk of lung cancer from the radiation. They out her on hormones that caused her to go through menopause. No children ever now.
Fuck these freaks. There are people with real problems out there.
Transgenderism is an ambulance chasers dream. Think about it. Who can't you blame for their unhappiness. You could go after
- the psych community
- parents
- drug makers
- hospitals
- primary care providers
- schools
The list is endless. Even worse is the aspect that so many have played a part or had financial stake in pushing this. The tip of this is already starting. Wait 10 years for the serious litigation to begin. Payouts. Settlements. Judgements. What a cluster.
Man, lucid you sure get triggered easy. What do you care about an insignificant outlier freakshow with a megaphone that you happen to hear?
These types of stories are designed to trigger women if you believe the theories of Rhhardin.
Good lord, buying tampons isn't like dealing with cancer, or cystic fibrosis, or MS, needing to shit in a bag, or being incontinent. Or in a wheelchair. Or all of these. Or worse.
What an ingrate. I watched two immediate family members deal with chronic, debilitating illnesses that destroyed them slowly, then quickly. They never once complained: they had to monitor themselves every hour of every day just to stay alive. That sort of courage is common among people handed a genetic bad deal, not of their own choosing.
99% of current transgender claims are ornate efforts to get on the victimization train. The activist-educational-complex is grooming these children like child molesters groom their targets.
Hilarious! Thanks for the best laugh I've had in a long time. I want to find out where all the Napoleons out there find a bicorne in their size!
I --- and others, I'm sure --- blame Trump.
Is anyone else eagerly anticipating rhardin's poem?
Pink is the only thing you call bullshit on?
There was some woman comedian that used to do a bit about "If men got periods"
I don't think she ever thought it would become true.
One of the bits was about how if men got periods they would start bragging about how heavy their flow was and trying to top each other. "My period was so heavy last month that I had to use 2 tampons at the same time."
"Shit Barney, that ain't nothing. I had to use 3 tampons and a pad!"
I went to youtube to see if I could find it. Turns out that "If men got periods" is a whole genre on youtube.
Here's a public service ad from ABC.com which is not about women who think they are men but about how horrible tampons are for the environment or something.
I liked the fake ad for "Manpons" made from kevlar with a titanium applicator and a bunch of other manly features.
John Henry
Kenny Ehan Jones really does look like a man. I'll give him/her/it/they/xhe that.
"'I didn’t believe that having periods would be a part of my lived experience,' Jones told NBC News." Thank God he said, "lived experience," rather than a confusing work like "life."
“People are still reluctant to the idea that it’s not only women that experience periods.” I wonder why ...
"A box of 36 tampons, which could easily be used within one menstruation period, could cost as much as $12 — that’s significantly more than the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour." Maybe a good slogan would help. "No taxation without menstruation representation!" Eh, needs work.
"Trans individuals, according to Heng-Lehtinen, 'are experiencing poverty, unemployment and underemployment at higher rates, so there is absolutely economic vulnerability here.'” But is it a part of their lived experience?
Re cost, how much does a month's supply of tampons or pads cost vs what a man spends on shaving gear?
Looking on Amazon, it seems like tampons go for 25-50 cents with some even cheaper. That would make it $1-2 dollars a day 3 days a month.
Some men use a new blade every day. 30 days a month.
Or they buy Schick Hydro 5 and use the same blade for 40-50 days. I just used the next to the last cartridge in a 5 pack I bought in 2018. I shave every day.
John Henry
Sounds like this person sure triggered the majority of commenters here. Some sound so angry they would encourage this person to commit suicide.
“Stop the God Damned whining about yourself. NO ONE CARES. I am all out of give a fucks.
If it is that bad. Eat a bullet. Of course if you are in California, you will have to go to Nevada to purchase some 'relief'.”
Wow. Life is too short to get that angry over a person writing an article about that person’s own personal experience. I doubt that person expects you to do anything, so relax and don’t get triggered.
Getting paid to think up masculine names for feminine hygiene products might just be my dream job.
Oh - are we still pretending this BS is real, or even matters?
Clown World is annoying.
F the trannies. All 42 of them.
I call bullshit on a different phrase in Althouse's post.
"For transgender men, pain of menstruation is more than just physical"
This is the type of headline that used to cause me much confusion. But then an Althouse commenter (I wish I could remember who) taught me how decode it; anytime you see the word 'transgender', substitute the word 'not'. Now I can quickly understand it and move on. "For 'not' men, pain of menstruation is more than just physical".
Works every time. Thanks!, commenter who's identity I have forgotten.
This makes me wonder if our Colorado STEM school shooter will offer that "he" was having "his" period on the day "he" shot up the school. He has already indicated that he will assert an insanity defense. Incompetent to be held accountable for murder, but when she decided at 15 that she was a boy, and demanded transitioning drugs and operations, everyone from her parent to the school and medical establishment treated it as the most sane thing ever proposed.
John Henry. My aunt (she was a real left-wing ACLU board member) always said that she would rather have the curse then to have to shave every single day like a man. Of course in those days, men didn't have the Gillette super Schick 10 blade gel blast razors.
Cognitive Dissonance: What Happens When Reality Trumps Perception. We hold many thoughts and beliefs about the world and ourselves. When two thoughts clash, a discrepancy is evoked, resulting in a state of tension. This tensions is called cognitive dissonance.
https://medium.com/zero-infinity/cognitive-dissonance-3e6f63c36a
Chiffon margarine: "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature."
Tampax: "You can't fool Mother Nature."
"My aunt (she was a real left-wing ACLU board member) always said that she would rather have the curse then to have to shave every single day like a man."
That's why I grew a beard. I didn't realize I could become a transgender woman instead. (Maybe I still don't have this transgender thing down)
What this country needs is a good five cent tampon...in a camo wrapper.
Nobody really wants this person to commit suicide, Inga. However, they demand that we erase female symbols and colors from all feminine hygiene products, or else. Appetite for another head on the wall.
Historically, hags and witches have earned their reputation. See MacBeth. Disordering of senses is the first weapon. Madness is the second. Knife is the third.
Transgender fascination is so damaging to our country that we forget that we have an obesity and opioid medical cost epidemic.
So the appropriate Christian/Conservative reaction is to object to the trannies and to ignore the gluttony crisis.
It is this obesity induced neurosis that has given us President Trump and global warming from all the McDonald's cow farts
Reality is a bitch, tending to smack the delusional right in the face.
Sorry Kenny, but the reason you menstruate (and ovulate) is because you are a WOMAN. In fact, it is part of the objective definition of what "woman" is.
Sad thing is that you (and your abusive enablers who encourage you) refuse to admit that unalterable truth.
Sorry Kenny, but the reason you menstruate (and ovulate) is because you are a WOMAN.
Maybe it's just a bad habit.
A story like this one is all one needs to conclude that a she who thinks she is a he is suffering from a serious mental disorder and needs counseling as soon as this disorder appears.
If s/he ordered it from Amazon, it would come in a nice brown box.
hysterical
Just cite the Twinkie Defense.
And, NO, hormones and surgery cannot transition a woman to a man. What is left is merely a physically mutilated woman pumped up with testosterone.
it would come in a nice brown box.
But it would still be pink inside.
Thank you, Ann.
Now the snowflakes are looking for victimization and it isn't even really there.
First world fake-victimhood.
I call extra bullshit - because-> Mitt Romney banned all tampons. I heard it on Clintonopolis' show.
You the snowflake, girlfriend. Althouse is trolling you people
She does kind of look like a man. A small, unattractive man, with a scraggly beard. I hadn't realized hormones could do that.
It's not real obvious who would want to use this widget as a model. Ah! A Fashion Model!
"Having a diverse range of models on the runway will naturally cause a positive change, allowing everyone to focus on being their authentic self without the need to compare ourselves to one another."
Royal ass Inga: "I doubt that person expects you to do anything..."
Nothing except change the language and lie about the truth of the world.
So long as we all agree to become Green Grocers nothing else is demanded.
Until another demand is made.
It must be like how I feel when I buy diapers for my 91 year old father. Do I carry the package through the aisles with confidence? Do I try to hide them? Do I wear tight pants so nobody thinks that I'm wearing them? Or maybe I should get over myself and not care what others think.
I just went and looked her up on instagram. Pretty sure she no longer has periods, so this is more 'look at me..look at me' calls for attention/traffic.
Just order on line from Amazon.
I am starting to wonder if we shouldn't take a close look at what is in our food, in our water, and in the air.
Something is causing this sudden rise of gender dysphoria cases in the last few years. Add to that the cognitive dissonance as described in this article, and the high rate of suicide by people with gender dysphoria, you would think it would be the humanitarian thing to find the cause, and institute a solution.
Ctrl-F did not return “Man up."
“So the appropriate Christian/Conservative reaction is to object to the trannies and to ignore the gluttony crisis.”
Indeed! All that tater tot casserole and apple pie a la mode at those church dinners has done a number on the rising cost of obesity related conditions and health care. Why fret over an article by a person who is sad about still having to use a tampon pre surgery? Obesity is a much heavier concern, no?
“I am starting to wonder if we shouldn't take a close look at what is in our food, in our water, and in the air.”
GMO?
Bitchy Birkel, stop whining. No one is twisting your balls to force you to use new terminology relating to transgender people.
“Nothing except change the language and lie about the truth of the world.
So long as we all agree to become Green Grocers nothing else is demanded.
Until another demand is made.”
Howard: another Rosanne Rosannadanna moment. The Christian Right, evangelical churches, and their alternative insurance programs are in a years-long campaign to end obesity and reward healthy eating. In order to purchase the limited-insurance programs offered as religious-exemption alternatives to Obamacare, you have to show you are not obese. If you are on narcotics, you have to medically justify them or get help to wean off -- which they offer for free with NA and AA groups sponsored by ... churches of course. If you are overweight, for a very low cost you can join a transitional weight-loss program with some coverage. If you meet weight-loss goals, you can buy the regular program in six months. If only regular insurance companies could offer the same.
I'm not part of the evangelical community, but I speak at their churches, and it's fascinating to watch this effective, national-scale self-help program, completely ignored by the media so people like you can maintain your socially sanctioned sneering.
Wow, what a stupid article.
In the 1960s one of the popular bands was The New Crusty Menstruals.
Things were so simple back then.
Narr
Prof started it!
Man Up (2015) was good.
That guy is the walking, breathing definition of Giant Douche.
Ditto, Inga. I suppose sneering at heart attacks is more classy than suicides?
“I'm not part of the evangelical community, but I speak at their churches, and it's fascinating to watch this effective, national-scale self-help program, completely ignored by the media so people like you can maintain your socially sanctioned sneering.”
Churches are now selling health insurance policies to its parishioners? Very interesting.
Churches are now selling health insurance policies to its parishioners? Very interesting.
Read it again. You seem to have difficulty understanding. They are providing services to help people meet goals to qualify for a special insurance category, not selling the insurance. I could tell from previous comments you've made that you have reading comprehension problems, but I don't know why you chose to be snarky about churches helping people lose weight and get off drugs. Do you get extra internet points for being snarky and heartless?
Communal pay scams are only valid if regulated and compelled sign-up is thru the sani-Democratic party (*some democrat kid gets rich) Bernie-Commie program of get-in-line one size fits all mega-government medicare for all program.
Otherwise you are all heretics.
Read it again. You seem to have difficulty understanding.
Are you surprised Mary Beth?
At least men's clothing usually has pockets that are useful for holding things. Pockets on women's clothing are often just for decoration so along with the pain, bloating, headaches and everything else, you have to remember to wear clothes with pockets that are more than 2 inches deep.
At a former job, I had to inspect... clients to ensure that before they went into the restroom they had nothing inappropriate concealed on their persons. Learning this-- that women's clothing way more often than not doesn't provide real, actually usable pockets-- was one of the most unexpected lessons I learned there.
Something is causing this sudden rise of gender dysphoria cases in the last few years. Add to that the cognitive dissonance as described in this article, and the high rate of suicide by people with gender dysphoria, you would think it would be the humanitarian thing to find the cause, and institute a solution.
The cause is not genetic or environmental. It is our modern academic and social culture.
We way overvalue the opinions of "stars" and college professors in the social sciences.
I am beginning to think that men transition to female because women get more attention when they whine about trivial things.
"For transgender men, pain of menstruation is more than just physical"
Look how far we've come sine Alice Cooper symbolized "gender dysphoria".
Only Women Bleed
Man's got his woman to take his seed
He's got the power - oh
She's got the need
She spends her life through pleasing up her man
She feeds him dinner or anything she can
She cries alone at night too often
He smokes and drinks and don't come home at all
Only women bleed
Man makes your hair gray
He's your life's mistake
All you're really lookin' for is an even break
He lies right at you
You know you hate this game
He slaps you once in a while and you live and love in pain
She cries alone at night too often
He smokes and drinks and don't come home at all
Only women bleed
Black eyes all of the time
Don't spend a dime
Clean up this grime
And you there down on your knees begging me please come
Watch me bleed
Inga noted that one need not get personally angry about Kenny and the article. Fair enough. The problem is not Kenny having this quirk, the problem is that the entire article is an example of a "condensed symbol." It's not about this ONE confused individual, it's about an entire entrenched problematic movement. Brought to us with a serious, sympathetic tone by a major news organization that is allegedly supposed to investigate and provide real news.
If this were a morbidly obese person complaining about how there is an entire aisle of cookies in the local Kroger, I would have the same reaction to the article. It is trying to make a "You Problem" into a "My Problem", and I ain't having it- in fact, I will relentlessly mock it.
“Read it again. You seem to have difficulty understanding. They are providing services to help people meet goals to qualify for a special insurance category, not selling the insurance.”
“The Christian Right, evangelical churches, and their alternative insurance programs are in a years-long campaign to end obesity and reward healthy eating. In order to purchase the limited-insurance programs offered as religious-exemption alternatives to Obamacare, you have to show you are not obese.”
This is not at all clear as to who is selling the insurance policies and who is merely providing a program to help people qualify for certain insurance programs.
I don’t know if this is something that the commenter Tina Trent was referring to, but her comment piqued my interest in alternative ways of obtaining health insurance.
An estimated 1 million Americans pay for health care expenses through sharing ministries.
“Chelsey, a commercial electrical contractor who runs a marine safety company, sought the advice of an insurance broker, who suggested looking into an alternative to the ACA: a health care sharing ministry. Chelsey was a member of the local hospital board, but he had never heard of such a thing. But he soon learned he could pay $300 a month for health care through a ministry, with a $500 deductible per person. He signed up with a ministry that originally established by Mennonites, Liberty HealthShare, and his application was approved.
In a shifting health insurance landscape, and with frequent threats from the White House and Capitol Hill to gut the ACA, Chesley is one of a growing number of Americans who have turned again to health care sharing to pay for medical expenses.”
My awareness of the Christian alternative-to-insurance programs that Tina Trent may've referred to stems from my desire to remain uninvolved in government-required nonsense that commercial health insurance companies have to deal with-- abortion, contraception, gender nonsense etc: they are exempt from ACA requirements. Samaritan Ministries, Medi-Share, Christian Healthcare Ministries, Liberty Health and others.
Well, Mary Beth, the commenter. I guess you owe me an apology. I was right about what I perceived Tina Trent to mean, you were mistaken. I won’t be snarky and refer to your reading comprehension.
The trans/neo-male is desperately seeking attention in all the wrong places.
I just loved this part:
"In a shifting health insurance landscape, and with frequent threats from the White House and Capitol Hill to gut the ACA, Chesley is one of a growing number of Americans who have turned again to health care sharing to pay for medical expenses.”
Of course, Chesley's change to the ministries program had nothing to do with threats from the White House and Capitol Hill about gutting the ACA- it had everything to do with the fact that he was going to have to pay $36,000 dollars for his family health care plan in 2017 on the ACA, and this changeover was selected in December of 2016- before Trump took office.
What was even funnier in the article was the complaint about how Chesley's saved $30k hurt the exchanges when he abandoned them. You just can't make this shit up any longer.
So, I guess the Christian alternatives to health insurance won’t cover gender reassignment surgery, eh?
It’s a joke, don’t get triggered.
And MaryBeth probably doesn't owe you an apology, Inga- it doesn't appear the churches sell insurance.
Leave it to someone who is known to be a partisan of government-financed health care to find an NPR article describing the alternative-to-insurance business. "[So and so] a former Sunday school teacher, bristled at the idea of someone not receiving certain kinds of health care because of a person’s professed religious beliefs"-- this is like the fellow who goes out to buy beer, buys perry instead, and then complains in a letter to the editor of his local newspaper that he meant to buy beer and the evil store clerk sold him perry.
Inga I am referring to cost-sharing insurance alternatives allowed under religious exemptions to Obamacare.
They’re not regular insurance. But they’re a good alternative for the many people who can’t afford to pay for all that birth control, pricey ineffectual inpatient rehab, Viagra, sexually transmitted diseases (with exceptions), abortions, sex change operations, vanity vein reductions and other predictable subsidized outcomes to the zeitgeist.
They offer interesting models for catastrophic care coverage. Many people would choose to buy insurance modeled on their rules differentiating between avoidable and unavoidable medical problems. And their rules on obesity and addiction are also interesting.
“And MaryBeth probably doesn't owe you an apology, Inga- it doesn't appear the churches sell insurance.”
They may not sell it, but they are providing ways of getting health care in a pool of participating members. Sort of like some sort of universal health care. Mary Beth was mistaken in that she thought Tina Trent was referring merely to programs that helped people lose weight, stop drinking, get in shape, etc to qualify for health insurance. So yes she does owe me an apology.
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Blogger DanTheMan said...
>>Man who has a period. There's some massive suspension of disbelief she's asking us to participate in.
When you say "she", you ARE participating.”
Umm ... I think it is actually a dyed-in-the-wool, XX female. So, when DanTheMan says “she” he’s correct.
Although I must be honest—I am not really sure. The article refers to a “transgender man”, and I have learned that “transgender” is equivalent to “pretend”.
“Inga I am referring to cost-sharing insurance alternatives allowed under religious exemptions to Obamacare.”
Indeed, so I discovered after my interest was piqued. Thanks.
All private health care and private schools ( except the ones D's send their kids to) will need to be destroyed so we can have Bernie-Warren fascist-care. er I mean - medicare for all.
No, Inga- you wrote specifically that the churches were selling insurance- they aren't- full stop. They aren't selling anything, and can't do so specifically because of the insurance regulations at the state level.
You also don't need to be an evangelical Christian to join, but you do have to agree to not be currently abusing alcohol, drugs. . . or food. You need to agree to respect the sexual mores of obedient Christianity. The obesity rules are pretty strict.
Good rules for keeping healthy.
The best description of the co-opts is that they are a pooled health savings account.
“All private health care and private schools ( except the ones D's send their kids to) will need to be destroyed so we can have Bernie-Warren fascist-care. er I mean - medicare for all.”
I’m all for private groups getting together and cost sharing their health care. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. The larger the group, the better, less expensive when there are many people. Wonderful idea.
“No, Inga- you wrote specifically that the churches were selling insurance- they aren't- full stop. They aren't selling anything, and can't do so specifically because of the insurance regulations at the state level.”
Marybeth didn’t have a beef with me speaking about churches providing health insurance (or an alternative to it), she mistakenly thought Tina was speaking about PROGRAMS that helped people QUALIFY for heath insurance. So yes, she accused me of misunderstanding the gist of Tina Trent’s comment. I was not mistaken, she was.
They aren't selling anything, and can't do so specifically because of the insurance regulations at the state level.
One of the difficulties with health or property insurance companies merging (e.g., Anthem) or consolidating operations (e.g., State Farm) is that each state has an insurance commission that sets regulations. Hence, operating costs are much higher.
It makes things more expensive for consumers but provides good bureaucrat jobs for loyalists of both parties.
Yancy is probably correct in assuming that no state insurance commissions allow churches to sell insurance, even if they wanted to.
“No, Inga- you wrote specifically that the churches were selling insurance- they aren't- full stop.”
“Churches are now selling health insurance policies to its parishioners?”
Read more carefully Yancy, see the question mark?
I don't know what is gained by lying about the packaging of "feminine hygiene products." Certainly not sympathy. As far as I understand it's not the packaging, it's the labelling.
If rhhardin were running the world we'd call sanitary napkins "bike helmet padding" and then the transmen could go to sporting goods for their personal needs. Nobody would complain about the bike helmet padding package being too pretty.
Like they say, everybody's got problems so deal with it. I just checked amazon for "man purses" and there was a very nice selection.
The biggest health care program of all is medicare for all. without any other choices!
Removing choice is for your own good. So sayeth the D.
“Removing choice is for your own good. So sayeth the D.”
You don’t speak for Democrats or myself. Your continuous hyperbolic comments only make you sound like poor Drago and that’s not a compliment.
Fuck these freaks. There are people with real problems out there.
Quoted for truth.
Religious cost-sharing medical pools also ask members to donate to especially expensive cases, and they set aside some money from premiums for cases you can choose to help. So it's a partially self-regulating pool. And most participants send in extra money a few times a year. You also get prayer requests.
It is interesting. Imagine if other groups set up such plans.
A person who menstruates is not a man. Period.
Really Inga? What does your candidate, Elizabeth Warren, say about Medicare for All?
Transgender conversion therapy: simulated (e.g medical corruption) and indoctrinated sex-correlated physical and mental (e.g. sexual orientation) gender attributes.
The transgender spectrum is narrow, albeit colorful, and shallow. A progressive condition.
“It is interesting. Imagine if other groups set up such plans.”
It’s brilliant! I can imagine many other large groups setting up something similar.
From VOX:
the slow drip of trickle down government fascism
...Only later, in her third year in the White House, does Warren say she would pursue Medicare-for-all legislation that would actually PROHIBIT private health insurance, as would be required for the single-payer program that she says she, like Bernie Sanders, wants.
"Large groups" is Inga speak for .... Medicare for all.
You should not go to a small church. You should attend the biggest church of all! The church of the progressive Soviet.
Required readings found at Maddow, chapter 1, verse 20-59.
They won't fund transgender conversion therapy, including medical corruption and/or indoctrination. They also won't fund operation of abortion chambers (i.e. selective-child), including reducing, reusing, and recycling (clinical cannibalism) profitable parts for medical progress and profit.
Medicare/Medicaid (e.g. Obamacare) is a suboptimal resolution of progressive prices forced by single/central (monopoly or practices) solutions that remain viable in the short-term through shared/shifted responsibility.
“They won't fund transgender conversion therapy, including medical corruption and/or indoctrination. They also won't fund operation of abortion chambers (i.e. selective-child), including reducing, reusing, and recycling (clinical cannibalism) profitable parts for medical progress and profit.”
That’s their right.
“Large groups" is Inga speak for .... Medicare for all.”
Again, you don’t speak for me.
Well thanks Tina Trent for bringing up the subject of a fascinating alternative to health insurance, it was an enlightening conversation.
Royal ass Inga thinks she understood my comment, above.
Pitiful.
If she understood the Green Grocer, really grokked it, she would experience the sort of mental break I expect she's only suffered a handful of times in her life - while failing to understand.
LMAO
Prohibiting private health insurance is the definition of fascism.
Not the incorrect definition of fascism displayed by moron "antifa" goons - who are clueless mommy basement dwellers with larceny in their hearts (and Warren supporters!)
I had a nice conversation with a church friend this morning in which she talked about another friend, a woman I don't know. The friend had lost her husband and daughter in a tragic accident, leaving one son. The friend is on her second round of cancer, which she is facing alone, having buried her husband (and, daughter). Her remaining son has now decided that he is transgender and wants to be a female. So with all this woman's burdens, what with the widowhood and having lost a child already and battling cancer, now she is also trying to manage this situation, drive her son across the state for hormone therapy, figure out what to tell her friends, etc.
Many transgenders have a hard time being likeable, that's all I'm saying. Many of them would be far better served getting their personality disorders which cause them to guilt their families into turning their lives inside out to accommodate their "medical" "needs" treated.
Oh and also this morning at church the nursery attendant was out sick so I had to bring my toddler into worship. To keep her quiet I let her tear apart my purse, and during the doxology she proudly waved around a deconstructed tampon. I survived feminine hygiene embarrassment and discomfort. Where's my interview and gold star and newspaper writeup?
Admiral Inga: "You don’t speak for Democrats or myself. Your continuous hyperbolic comments only make you sound like poor Drago and that’s not a compliment."
The democrats stood on a stage on live TV before the entire world and all the major dem candidates, every single one of them, raised their hands in support of 1 size fits Medicare for All.
Inga thinks this can be denied.
Which is not surprising since she still passionately believes in the following hoaxes:
-Carter Page is a russian spy and not a CIA asset (even though CIA officials officially testified that he was)
= Trump and his campaign colluded with the russians
- Brett Kavanaugh is a gang rape leader and raped hundreds of women in Maryland over 2 decades
This is the sort of stuff Inga buys into while believing she can pretend the democrats didn't stand on a stage and raise their hands like little commie morons for Medicare for All.
Inga also thinks the dem party doesn't stand for infancticide either!
It just keeps getting better an better.
Oh, one more thing: the dems have made if official: wearing blackface and/or KKK hoods is totally cool for elected officials! And Joy Behar of the view is quoting Richard Spencer, white supremacist!!
Birkel: "If she understood the Green Grocer, really grokked it, she would experience the sort of mental break I expect she's only suffered a handful of times in her life - while failing to understand."
I have actually had idiot leftists like Inga try and explain to me the tale of the Green Grocer was pro-commie!
Men don't menstruate.
I don't know, Althouse. Pretty "brave" of you to call bullshit on a tranny. Who I am sure consider your opinion hate speech. And violence.
Drago,
I do not doubt you. Leftist Collectivists are confused about a good many things. What's one more on that side of the ledger?
One wonders what those people would tell you about The Gulag Archipelago.
we tried the types of insurance pools suggested, there were few takers,
re dysphoria, the crazies are not only running the asylum, but denounce anyone pointing this out,
well it was only for white Russians, vlasovites, oun, and other practicioners of crime think, no upstanding citizen need concern themselves, right lt, soltzhenitsyn
They're not men. Just mentally ill women. That's the truth of it. But, like all mental illness presentation, not every manifestation is harmful.
I don't care what people do with their lives, but when they become abusive bullies trying to bend people to their will, they need to be opposed.
Academic-gruelling-sex-swap-surgery-changed-mind-minute.html
...Only later, in her third year in the White House, does Warren say she would pursue Medicare-for-all legislation that would actually PROHIBIT private health insurance >>>
Yes, funny how this aspect isn't the subject of headlines and insistent questioning during media interviews and debates. Also hysterically funny is the fact that the goal of people such as Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (Rahm's brother and a consultant in the crafting of Obamacare)and the influential organization Physicians For a National Healthcare Program is to eliminate the ability to get any treatment outside of the system even if you want to pay for it out of pocket. Their website used to say that explicitly; I just checked and now they couch what seems to be the same idea in the following item on their list of key features of their proposed plan:
Ban on For-Profit Health Care Providers
--Profit seeking inevitably distorts care and diverts resources from patients to investors
I think those alternative health share programs call themselves religious to qualify as an exception. They aren't insurance. Not even comparable. God forbid, literally one hopes, you join one of those and develop a serious health issue require ongoing treatment. They won't cover it. They're not required to cover anything at all. It's a holding pool for people without health problems to wait until they have health problems to get real insurance during an open enrollment period. In other words, a way for healthy people to avoid having to pay for sick people while feeling like they're doing some faith-building thing. (Until they really get sick. Then they're screwed.)
“I think those alternative health share programs call themselves religious to qualify as an exception. They aren't insurance. Not even comparable. God forbid, literally one hopes, you join one of those and develop a serious health issue require ongoing treatment. They won't cover it. They're not required to cover anything at all. It's a holding pool for people without health problems to wait until they have health problems to get real insurance during an open enrollment period. In other words, a way for healthy people to avoid having to pay for sick people while feeling like they're doing some faith-building thing. (Until they really get sick. Then they're screwed.)”
Ah, when things sound too good to be true, they are. It would be interesting to hear Tina Trent’s response to this.
Birkel: "One wonders what those people would tell you about The Gulag Archipelago."
Lefties like Inga would probably tell us The Gulag Archipelago is the story of beautiful winding river wetlands that horrific capitalistic businesses and Trump are working to destroy.
I like Freeman Hunt better when she's advocating for the mob than when she's explaining the religious exemption for insurance.
At least she understands the mob.
For a little bit of perspective on the trials of having a period, maybe Mr./Ms./(or whatever) Jones should watch this movie.
They may not sell it, but they are providing ways of getting health care in a pool of participating members. Sort of like some sort of universal health care.
Does anyone doubt that if say 30 million Christians (instead of perhaps 1 million) began utilizing one of these arrangements "like some sort of universal health care" certain advocates of a government-run health care regime would find a way to end it, via regulation or taxation?
Inga,
I read it all carefully in that I read the comments you made following that question mark. MaryBeth pointed out that the churches aren't selling health insurance, and you then demanded an apology for that comment. So you can take your question mark and stick up your shriveled up twat, you dumbfuck.
Freeman Hunt is correct- these are limited coverage pools. It would the sort of thing where people pool money for car maintenance and repair- nobody would be fool enough to allow someone in with a 25 year old clunker that burns a quart of oil every day, or had four bald tires.
That regulators of insurance have tried to shut these down isn't surprising- their existence does worsen the insurance pools by drawing off the healthiest potential premium payers, but that was always the problem with the ACA- it depends on gouging the healthy and the young. There wouldn't necessarily be an ethical problem with this but for the fact that the young and healthy's insurance premiums aren't being set aside to pay for their higher costs in later life. The structure is pure Ponzi.
“MaryBeth pointed out that the churches aren't selling health insurance, and you then demanded an apology for that comment.”
Um...no I did NOT. You are once again misstating what the beef was. I indicated that Marybeth should apologize for thinking I had reading comprehension issues with Tina Trent’s comment. I DIDN’T. Again you are misunderstanding what Marybeth was upset over. Marybeth misunderstood what Tina Trent was getting at. I didn’t. I understood that Tina Trent was speaking of a health care plan of sorts, health insurance or as it turns out an alternative to it. Apparently you’re as obtuse as Marybeth was. So you can take your reading comprehension issues and get some remedial help, you moronic dick.
No, Inga, MaryBeth specifically addressed herself to the question, and she pointed out that you had misread Tina's comment. You did misread it per your question- it isn't health insurance. At best, perhaps Tina also misidentifies it as insurance, but she didn't get snotty and ask for an apology about it. Go fuck yourself, troll.
So Tina Trent, care to comment on Yancy Ward and Freeman Hunt’s take on these alternative heath care plans?
“No, Inga, MaryBeth specifically addressed herself to the question, and she pointed out that you had misread Tina's comment. You did misread it per your question- it isn't health insurance. At best, perhaps Tina also misidentifies it as insurance, but she didn't get snotty and ask for an apology about it. Go fuck yourself, troll.”
No Yancy, you ignoramus. Marybeth said that what Tina Trent was speaking of were programs that helped people QUALFY for health insurance by helping them with health care issues like smoking cessation, weight loss, etc. Marybeth thought it was I who misunderstood what Tina was describing. I asked the question about health insurance based on the description that Tina Trent gave regarding these alternative health care programs. Now go and stick your finger in a socket and enlighten yourself, you obtuse jackass
Yes, of course, your distress is because the package is pink (even if it isn't). It's certainly not because at some level you know that men don't menstruate (but for reasons the rest of us are not all that interested in knowing, you don't wish to acknowledge that).
It's not as if you don't know that if a man sees blood coming out of his genitals (or any other orifice, except perhaps a nosebleed) it's not business as usual, it's time to see a physician, stat.
It's certainly not as if the cognitive dissonance of lying to yourself and the world about who and what you are might be the source of your distress. No, it must be because someone's doing something mean," and they better stop!
Blogger Mary Beth (the commenter) said...
Read it again. You seem to have difficulty understanding. They are providing services to help people meet goals to qualify for a special insurance category, not selling the insurance. I could tell from previous comments you've made that you have reading comprehension problems, but I don't know why you chose to be snarky about churches helping people lose weight and get off drugs. Do you get extra internet points for being snarky and heartless?
1/12/20, 11:56 AM
Here you go Yancy, That you can misunderstand the bolded sentence displays your obtuseness. It’s not hard to understand, unless you want to just to be an argumentative asshole, like you.
To Yancy,
Also my question was not some accusation that churches were selling insurance. I was questioning the health care alternative to insurance that Tina Trent was describing. It piqued my interest. Marybeth and YOU moronically read something into my comment that was NOT there.
The even Canada loosened the rules 10 years ago.
That right there is the sort of ignorance Democratics are courting.
Is she a female with masculine gender, or is he a male with feminine dreams, through medical corruption, through indoctrination (e.g. sexual orientation)?
"Sometimes it's hard to be a women. . ."
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