Thank you so much @JonVoight!pic.twitter.com/7aj57QH57l— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 11, 2019
I don't know why I — of all people — can stand back and observe. I experienced physical chills at 0:23 — "I am honored to call him President Trump" — even as I know, intellectually, it makes no sense. From there on, I looked at that face in front of a brick wall — The Wall!! — and thought this is exactly what propaganda is. I admired Voight's delivery and the weird but simple text, even as I thought about how bizarre it is that human beings drink this up. Once it's over, I wonder, what the hell was that?! What did I just hear? It slipped in below the conscious level. I had to go back to find the place where I'd felt the chill, and I'm struck by its emptiness. What is the rest of it? Something about God. God... Trump... God... ???!!!
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 304 of 304"Surely, you’re not contending that every time a cop kills somebody in the line of duty that he’s committed murder."
No, I never said that. However, if you dig down into the stats, you'll find that many of the shootings certainly appear to be murders.
Police killed 1164 people in 2019
How many were “killed”, vs. “murdered”?
Umm...I’m laid back, easy-going, and love to have a good time, and I like rainy days, a fire in the fireplace, and a good book to share with someone honest, caring and kind.
Yes but are you sure you're not a closet anarcho-monarchist? A picture of the Queen hangs on the wall while you read a book about the French Revolution in front of the fireplace? I'm suspicious.
Thanks for all the additional info girls and guys.
Some of you mo*ons seem to know what you're talking about.....
Althouse is thrown for a loop over a simple few words, but still reads the NY Times unironically. God bless her heart!
Usually, such strange word salad comes from progressives.
But it's Jon Voight! He once owned a Chrysler LeBaron!
1164 killed is a very small number in a country of 325 million people.
Let’s go really crazy and say that maybe 10% of those police killings were dubious or unjustified.
That would be 116 possible “murders.”
That’s an incredibly tiny figure for a country of our size and population.
Would you like to apologize?
The Soviet Union carried out a decades long propaganda campaign against the U.S. using your BS.
Yes but are you sure you're not a closet anarcho-monarchist?
It's interesting 4w mocks her own tactic of making unproven assertions about people to smear them. This is further evidence her use of the tactic is not accidental.
One more thing, RC - I find it ironic that in a thread where you complain about propaganda use, you engage in it yourself by linking a site which shows how many people were killed by cops, without any context and any distinction between murder and justifiable shootings.
"How many were “killed” vs. “murdered”?
That's for you to determine after reviewing the available data and deciding whether you think any given killing was warranted under the circumstances. I doubt you and I would agree on which (and how many) killings were murders.
wwww: "Umm...I’m laid back, easy-going, and love to have a good time, and I like rainy days, a fire in the fireplace, and a good book to share with someone honest, caring and kind"
You forgot to add: conjuring up and supporting incredibly transparent false gang rape lies against innocent men of a different political party than mine.
"Really? How come no one told me? When did I admit this? Please cite your reference so I can be sure you're correct."
I am going to say I have NO IDEA really what Cook's political affiliation is.
I do know all he links to is Counterpunch, but I've never really explored it that much, so maybe that's why people believe he is a Communist? I know it's left-leaning pub, but it seems to exist more for the muckraking, troublesome aspect than any fealty to a congruent ideology.
Is anyone else seeing....The media is no longer available....??
Never mind!
Do you think it’s possible to field a police force on the scale deployed in the U.S. that never harbors a single criminally inclined cop?
Even if we allowed that 10% of cop killings were murders, my conclusion from that is that bad cops are inevitably hired, that their existence is attributable to human nature, not some defect in the U.S., and that this human failing manifests itself in every police force in the world.
Of course, it’s undoubtedly the worst in commie countries.
Are you now or Have you ever been a member of the anarcho-monarchist party?
I know why you're following Megan Markle's twitter feed.
"One more thing, RC - I find it ironic that in a thread where you complain about propaganda use, you engage in it yourself by linking a site which shows how many people were killed by cops, without any context and any distinction between murder and justifiable shootings."
The site simply reports data. It does not refer to "murders," but to "killings." That is not propaganda. If you study the data, it may suggest which killings may have been murders and which not. Or, it could lead you to other sources for further study, if you're interested.
Or, you could pay attention to the news headlines when police murders do occur.
It's interesting 4w mocks her own tactic of making unproven assertions about people to smear them. This is further evidence her use of the tactic is not accidental.
Fair Warning. From now on, when someone writes something personal and unfunny I will post poetry. It will be absurd and nonsensical. Because we need to laugh, not get personal.
’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
wwww: "Because we need to laugh, not get personal."
Making serial transparently false accusations of mass gang rape against clearly innocent men of a different political party than wwww seems somewhat "personal" to me.
Or have we reached the point where wwww wants everyone to just forget about her false accusations and say "can't we all just get along" and "lets not quibble about who falsely accused who, its a party!"
That's for you to determine after reviewing the available data and deciding whether you think any given killing was warranted under the circumstances. I doubt you and I would agree on which (and how many) killings were murders.
No, that’s not how this works. You made an assertion; it’s up to you to prove said assertion. This is a dishonest stance, especially from you.
You floated out a site that has flat-out propaganda on it. As I said before, it has no context, and makes no distinction between justified and non-justified shootings. Then you expect ME to dig through the data that you posted to find out if it’s true or not?
As an aside to your last sentence - if an officer is in danger of being hurt or killed, then it’s justified. That’s objective, and whether we agree or not isn’t part of the discussion.
Or have we reached the point where wwww wants everyone to just forget about her false accusations and say "can't we all just get along" and "lets not quibble about who falsely accused who, its a party!"
Fair Warning: In response to personal comments I will cover threads with nonsensical poetry and have a GREAT time doing it. Because you should either (1) be debating the thread topic or (2) Not get personal and ugly. Better to read poetry then see a bunch of personal comments.
“And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”
He chortled in his joy.
OK....it was more than a browser re-fresh. Twitter did go off-line.
Bandwidth issues??
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”
Because we need to laugh, not get personal.
Totally agree, like when you claimed others asserted women owe men sex for walking them home showing they believe women are prostitutes.
Now that was funny.
Hmmmm,
Did someone hijack wwww’s user name?
Hi folks seriously and all kidding aside here is a question for y'all.
Throw aside your side of the spectrum d/r c/l whatever.
How did you feel about JV's performance?
I liked it. To me he came across as being very sincere.
On the other hand, I am sure that AOC, Nacy Mafiaprincesslosi,and ILLHANOHMYGDIFUKEDMYBROTHER Omar seem a bit to aggresive for me.
What do y'all think?
And while I'm at it: Bily Joel: (A) Talented (B) Insufferable (C) Both.
"Did someone hijack wwww’s user name?"
Nope I love poetry.
If they've got more personal attacks, I'll post more poetry. Shell Silverstein or John Ciardi. I'll take Preferences?
Joel has his points and talents not bad.
Still, am I the only guy who has noticed that all of his songs seem to be about how cool he is and how stupid or greedy or vain or whatever else everyone else is???
Totally agree, like when you claimed others asserted women owe men sex for walking them home showing they believe women are prostitutes.
OH! You want more Poetry!
Let's go!
5. PANCAKE? (Where the Sidewalk Ends)
Who wants a pancake,
Sweet and piping hot?
Good little Grace looks up and says,
“I’ll take the one on top.”
Who else wants a pancake,
Fresh off the griddle?
Terrible Theresa smiles and says,
“I’ll take the one in the middle.”
Y'all got more personal attacks?
Because I've got a LOT more poetry to share.
Or, you could pay attention to the news headlines when police murders do occur.
That’s what’s called a straw man. Who says I don’t? And would my view change one way or another?
Anyway, for a guy who doesn’t trust the news media, you sure are quick to trust them when they say something that fits your narrative. If you’re going to argue that police murder people regularly, why don’t you use one of those news headlines as your source? Instead, you used a site that has an obvious bias (to say it nicely).
That said - which is it? If you’re going to hold the belief that cops shoot (or murder) way too many people, then argue that point.
As for my own view - ST pretty much nailed it. If out of 1100, 110 are not justified shoots, that number is small in a country our size. And we could discuss the 110, and what circumstances caused some of those to happen (mistaken identity, inexperienced officers, etc.).
That aside - if you’ve never been in high stress situations with criminals or people acting criminally, you have no freaking clue how you’d react either. This is so typical of lefties and libertarians here - none of them line how the job is done, yet none of them ever become cops themselves to show the rest of us how it’s supposed to be done.
wwww: "If they've got more personal attacks, I'll post more poetry."
Its a shame wwww didnt decide to post poetry instead of malicious false gang rape accusations against innocent men.
DRAGO WRITES: "Its a shame wwww didnt decide to post poetry insteadif malicious false gang rape accusations against innocent men."
huzaha!! You want more Poetry! I love poetry!
Which poems should we read next? More Shel Silverstein I believe. Let me know if you all have requests. The first was the Poem the Jabberwocy. by Lewis Caroll. This one is, of course Shel Silverstein. The next will be the surrealists.
6. SNOWBALL (Falling Up)
I made myself a snowball
As perfect as could be.
I thought I’d keep it as a pet
And let it sleep with me.
I made it some pajamas
And a pillow for its head.
Then last night it ran away,
But first—it wet the bed.
"Do you think it’s possible to field a police force on the scale deployed in the U.S. that never harbors a single criminally inclined cop?
"Even if we allowed that 10% of cop killings were murders, my conclusion from that is that bad cops are inevitably hired, that their existence is attributable to human nature, not some defect in the U.S., and that this human failing manifests itself in every police force in the world.
"Of course, it’s undoubtedly the worst in commie countries."
It's not necessarily the number of cops we employ, but the type of policing we are moving toward--military-style, with military weapons, uniforms, and vehicle, SWAT teams used imply to perform routing search warrants, etc.
Neutral: not bothering to watch the video.
Neutral Good: assessing the video regardless of its position. Pointing out both factual inconsistencies and valid aspects in productive, helpful terms so as to suggest future improvements. Waiting patiently for your turn to speak on the matter at the Neutral Good Roundtable meeting on third Thursdays and commending all for their integrity and honesty in moving civilization forward. (Committee membership: 3 people in the Americas, 7 worldwide)
Neutral Evil: using the video as some sort of slur against your enemies, to suggest that they are murdering father raping necrophiliacs who torture puppies and spit on lepers.
Chaotic neutral: asking tangential questions about baseball or, possibly, wondering aloud what film rhhardin didn't finish watching last night.
Lawful neutral: correcting word choice in the video to some individually consistent norm.
Garcia Lorca:
Verde que te quiero verde.
Verde viento. Verdes ramas.
El barco sobre la mar
y el caballo en la montaña.
Con la sombra en la cintura
ella sueña en su baranda,
verde carne, pelo verde,
con ojos de fría plata.
Verde que te quiero verde.
Bajo la luna gitana,
las cosas le están mirando
y ella no puede mirarlas.
Verde que te quiero verde.
Grandes estrellas de escarcha,
vienen con el pez de sombra
que abre el camino del alba.
La higuera frota su viento
con la lija de sus ramas,
y el monte, gato garduño,
eriza sus pitas agrias.
¿Pero quién vendrá? ¿Y por dónde…?
Ella sigue en su baranda,
verde carne, pelo verde,
soñando en la mar amarga.
I expected to hear Lee Greenwood singing in the background.
“Its a shame wwww didnt decide to post poetry insteadif malicious false gang rape accusations against innocent men."
Haven’t you lied enough for one day Jon Boy?
Lefties were calling Obama "the Lightworker" to no criticism.
Y'all got more personal attacks?
To summarize 4w's principles accurate criticisms are personal attacks. But mischaracterizing others' comments to make otherwise unsupportable criticisms are not.
Why does she believe accurate criticisms are unfair but inaccurate criticisms are not? Do you suppose it's because the accurate criticisms are of lefties and while her mischaracterizations are of the non-left and that fair and not-fair simply match Team Red / Team Blue? Since every one of the examples fits this framework it sure is an amazing coincidence.
"To summarize 4w's principles accurate criticisms are personal attacks."
The only way to respond to absurdity is more absurdity. The best way to respond to personal attacks is beauty. I understand: YOU WANT MORE POETRY! You got it! I love poetry!
E.E. Cummings.
It was one of those clear,sharp.mustless days
That summer and man delight in.
Never had Heaven seemed quite so high,
Never had earth seemed quite so green,
Never had the world seemed quite so clean
Or sky so nigh.
And I heard the Deity’s voice in
The sun’s warm rays,
And the white cloud’s intricate maze,
And the blue sky’s beautiful sheen.
2
I looked to the heavens and saw him there,—
A black speck downward drifting,
Nearer and nearer he steadily sailed,
Nearer and nearer he slid through space,
In an unending aerial race,
This sailor who hailed
From the Clime of the Clouds.—Ever shifting,
On billows of air
And the blue sky seemed never so fair,
And the rest of the world kept pace.
3
On the white of his head the sun flashed bright;
And he battled the wind with wide pinions,
Clearer and clearer the gale whistled loud,
Clearer and clearer he came into view,—
Bigger and blacker against the blue.
Then a dragon of cloud
Gathering all its minions
Rushed to the fight,
And swallowed him up in a bite;
And the sky lay empty clear through.
4
Long I watched. And at last afar
Caught sight of a speck in the vastness;
Ever smaller,ever decreasing,
Ever drifting,drifting awayInto the endless realms of day;
Finally ceasing.
So into Heaven’s vast fastness
Vanished that bar
Of black,as a fluttering star
Goes out while still on its way.
5
So I lost him. But I shall always see
In my mind
The warm,yellow sun,and the ether free;
The vista’s sky,and the white cloud trailing,
Trailing behind,—
And below the young earth’s summer-green arbors,
And on high the eagle,—sailing,sailing
Into far skies and unknown harbors
Robert Cook:
I doubt you and I would agree on which (and how many) killings were murders.
Let's start here, since the facts are well known: Do you think the Michael Brown killing was murder? I do not. It was entirely justified.
i thank You God for most this amazing
day:for the leaping greenly spirits of trees
and a blue true dream of sky; and for everything
which is natural which is infinite which is yes
(i who have died am alive again today,
and this is the sun’s birthday; this is the birth
day of life and of love and wings: and of the gay
great happening illimitably earth)
how should tasting touching hearing seeing
breathing any–lifted from the no
of all nothing–human merely being
doubt unimaginable You?
(now the ears of my ears awake and
now the eyes of my eyes are opened)
e.e. cummings
"Of course, it’s undoubtedly the worst in commie countries."
Do you know that? This shows the US way ahead of many other countries in numbers of killings. Of course, it doesn't show China or Russia, so, we can't compare. I suspect we're ahead of both of them. But we certainly outdo a shitload of countries.
There once was a man from Nantucket ....
That was the best delivery of good news I have seen in many years. The Christians understood him. They admire goodness in authority over them. They find a rest in peace from having faith in goodness. Trump has won them over. The hate Trump resistance is totally irrelevant now.
"Anyway, for a guy who doesn’t trust the news media, you sure are quick to trust them when they say something that fits your narrative. If you’re going to argue that police murder people regularly, why don’t you use one of those news headlines as your source? Instead, you used a site that has an obvious bias (to say it nicely)."
What exactly is this website's bias? It is simply presenting data. Do you doubt the data? Do you think they have fabricated what they present? This is not to say that the persons putting the data together do not have their point of view or purpose for presenting the data, but they are letting the data speak for itself.
Your referenced stats seemed to me to prove the exact opposite of your propaganda contention, Cook.
I looked at those numbers and thought:
"Jesus, we're doing one hell of a job vetting potential cops and demanding that they observe the law on the job."
The numbers you've presented are so small as to be almost a statistical zero.
You are a commie. That's why you've tried to mangle the stats into a systematic complaint against the U.S.
Where did you acquire this hate America sickness? Really, your argument here is absurd and deliberately vicious. Why are you doing this?
“The hate Trump resistance is totally irrelevant now.”
Are you including Althouse in the hate Trump resistance now? She didn’t get much out of Jon’s video (testify!) except chills, emptiness and confusion.
“I had to go back to find the place where I'd felt the chill, and I'm struck by its emptiness. What is the rest of it? Something about God. God... Trump... God... ???!!!”
Boy, this thread deteriorated. OK
I WENT into a public 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, " We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, go away " ;
But it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, wait outside ";
But it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap.
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
"Do you know that? This shows the US way ahead of many other countries in numbers of killings. Of course, it doesn't show China or Russia, so, we can't compare. I suspect we're ahead of both of them. But we certainly outdo a shitload of countries."
Mea culpa. I was in a rush. The chart here shows the relative numbers of privately owned weapons in the various countries, not the rate of police killings.
Really, Cook...
Tell me how at most 110 cop murders in the U.S. equals some sort of systemic problem.
Be an honest commie for a moment and admit that you proved your own argument was a deliberate and hateful pile of shit.
You're as likely to be murdered by a cop in the U.S. as you are to be hit on the head by an anvil pushed over the cliff by Wile E. Coyote.
You're a commie liar.
Where did you acquire this hate America sickness? Really, your argument here is absurd and deliberately vicious. Why are you doing this?
I think he hates everyone. Sort of a sickness. Washed too many dishes, I suspect. No tips for dishwashers.,
And, no, Inga, I don't think anybody's saying Althouse hates Trump.
I've watched over the past 3 years, and she is slowly, against her will, being drawn to his side.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/valentines-day-poems-from-president-trump
“”Who’s a little honey bee?
You are,
Sarah Huckabee.
Sanders.
My colonel.
My Kentucky Fried.
Fine, Arkansas.
Those states are near each other, yes?
You at that podium.
You have a way of saying something so false
And making it seem almost real.
If you told me that I was wearing a pretty dress,
I’d believe it.
Am I wearing a dress?
I don’t think I am.
But let me tell you something,
If I were, I’d be a ten.
Does anyone like Jim Acosta?”
“Mike Pence.
My man,
My vice.
That came out wrong.
So very quiet.
So—what’s that word I’m looking for?
So much, like, Oh, hey, look: Mike’s in the room. I hadn’t realized.
But in a good way.
You are pious,
Which is nice.
Seriously, though, what if there isn’t a God?
I’m just saying.
What if, in the end, it’s just darkness and cold?
Won’t you feel a little annoyed?
Maybe take a meeting with a woman,
Even though your wife isn’t in the room.
I’m saying think about it.
My vice,
My Mike.
Vice, vice, baby.“
“Steve Mnuchin.
Light of my life, fire of my loins.
My sin, my soul.
Ste-ve-mmm-nu-chin.
The tip of the tongue struggling to pronounce your last name.
How do you pronounce your last name?
I feel like there’s a typo in it.
Is there?
Great job at [insert department here].
I mean that.
And I love that photo of you and your beautiful daughter.
What’s that?
My bad, I mean your wife.”
“Melanie
Melody
Maryland
Melania.
You are my wife
According to my lawyers.
I want you to know that I will always remember you as my third wife.
Do I deserve you?
I think yes.
Do you deserve me?
That’s like asking who deserves a thing that is really good,
Or even bad.
Like shingles.
By that I mean once the shingles are gone,
It’s so nice to feel good again.
Do you like Diet Coke?
We should have a Diet Coke sometime.
I wish you luck in the coming business year.
Your husband,
Donald J. Trump, C.E.O., the American Real Estate Corporation”
Hahahahahahaaaahha!
I love reading this blog for the Salem Whitch hunt mentality of red baiting Robert Cook, so let’s see if the red who say he is not red floats,and in the mean time some smart ass kid will put a Pink Floyd sound track under this under this God awful piece of propaganda.
Inga, the far lefty, reminds me of my musician friends in Woodstock.
They were all advocates of the very lifestyle Trump lived... multiple marriages, flings, open marriage, divorces... until the day Trump was elected.
Overnight they became staunch Puritans.
Boy, this thread deteriorated. OK
Poetry is never a deterioration. It's fantastic. even limericks & puns. I love limericks.
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I don't know how althouse voted. its interesting she didn't write a blog post about who & why in 2016. But it's everyone's right to keep their vote private. & People don't just vote for the 2 major parties. People choose to vote 3rd party. People choose to not vote.
Inga,
I hadn't seen those before. Who wrote them? Or are they anonymous?
Widow with 4 kids is not the libertine experience.
That was personal and not nice so time for more poetry!! Since we're talking marriage, John Ciardi
Most like an Arch this marraige
Most like an arch—an entrance which upholds
and shores the stone-crush up the air like lace.
Mass made idea, and idea held in place.
A lock in time. Inside half-heaven unfolds.
Most like an arch—two weaknesses that lean
into a strength. Two fallings become firm.
Two joined abeyances become a term
naming the fact that teaches fact to mean.
Not quite that? Not much less. World as it is,
what’s strong and separate falters. All I do
at piling stone on stone apart from you
is roofless around nothing. Till we kiss
I am no more than upright and unset.
It is by falling in and in we make
the all-bearing point, for one another’s sake,
in faultless failing, raised by our own weight.
Inga,
I hadn't seen those before. Who wrote them? Or are they anonymous?
“John Kenney has contributed to The New Yorker since 1999. His most recent book is “Love Poems for Married People.””
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/valentines-day-poems-from-president-trump
Doc might put me on bed rest. Y'all better stay on topic & not call each other out in mean ways -- or I'll might do this all day.
This is a good love poem.
My clumsiest dear, whose hands shipwreck vases,
At whose quick touch all glasses chip and ring,
Whose palms are bulls in china, burs in linen,
And have no cunning with any soft thing
Except all ill-at-ease fidgeting people:
The refugee uncertain at the door
You make at home; deftly you steady
The drunk clambering on his undulant floor.
Unpredictable dear, the taxi drivers’ terror,
Shrinking from far headlights pale as a dime
Yet leaping before apopleptic streetcars—
Misfit in any space. And never on time.
A wrench in clocks and the solar system. Only
With words and people and love you move at ease;
In traffic of wit expertly maneuver
And keep us, all devotion, at your knees.
Forgetting your coffee spreading on our flannel,
Your lipstick grinning on our coat,
So gaily in love’s unbreakable heaven
Our souls on glory of spilt bourbon float.
Be with me, darling, early and late. Smash glasses—
I will study wry music for your sake.
For should your hands drop white and empty
All the toys of the world would break.
-John Frederick Nims
“John Kenney has contributed to The New Yorker since 1999. His most recent book is “Love Poems for Married People.””
nice! thanks!
They had good composition. Was wondering if it was a known poet or amateur.
"Tell me how at most 110 cop murders in the U.S. equals some sort of systemic problem."
Um...how do you know that only 110 of the 1,147 police killings in 2017 were murders? That's your assumption. Even taking your assumption as correct, to me, 110 police murders in the U.S. in a single year is appallingly high.
“Doc might put me on bed rest. Y'all better stay on topic & not call each other out in mean ways -- or I'll might do this all day.”
Take care and good luck with labor, delivery and the new addition! How exciting!
Thank you! I hope I'm not put on bed rest-ugh.
btw I googled him. His poems are hilarious.
Is This the Right Time for That?
Standing at the door
ready to go,
tapping my foot.
(We are late for my sister’s surprise party.)
I turn and see you
in the kitchen,
like a man on a summer afternoon by a lake
casually adjusting a fishing rod.
Only it’s not a fishing rod.
It’s fingernail clippers.
And you are cutting your fingernails
over the sink.
You look up, and perhaps because of the expression on my face
you say, “What?”
It would be impossible for me to explain
if you don’t already understand.
Even taking your assumption as correct, to me, 110 police murders in the U.S. in a single year is appallingly high.
No, it isn't.
It's amazingly tiny and damned near insignificant.
I would have guessed much higher, and I'm a supporter of cops.
Your contention that this is a systematic problem in the U.S. is a damned fucking commie lie.
Even taking your assumption as correct, to me, 110 police murders in the U.S. in a single year is appallingly high.
Ok, now we’re getting somewhere.
Out of how many guns-drawn police v citizen negative interactions in that same time period are we talking? What is acceptable, because zero is unattainable. Not unless you want to replace cops with robots, or unless you want to disarm cops will that ever be possible.
The falcon cannot hear the falconer.
trying to teach cookie anything is a dubious exercise,
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/the-republic-is-collapsing-the-time-to-act-is-now/
vox, is cited as a serious source, well you know once upon a time the left was up at arms over the okrana, the corresponding Chinese agency, the sim and the brac, and found them selves at the mercy of the cheka, the guang bo, the dgi, et al, that was the scenario allen drury painted in 'come Nineveh, come tyre' one of his more down cast books,
a slithy tove is a slimy badger like creature, the jabberwocky, is a hideous creature, like one would find in the dark world of strange things,
https://pagesix.com/2019/07/10/cbs-holds-bizarre-pep-rally-for-staffers-amid-evening-news-shake-up/?_ga=2.30682431.1045899176.1562805341-763764044.1562805341
"It's amazingly tiny and damned near insignificant."
I guess your tolerance of police murders is higher than mine and your expectation of police competence and integrity is lower than mine. We're not talking about accidental killings, but murders.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
This video makes me think of those creepy round table conferences where Trumps cabinet members had to make adoring comments about trump before the meeting started. Son of them even thanked God for Trump, IIRC.
BET Founder Robert Johnson praise President Trump
http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/9/robert-johnson-bet-founder-praises-trumps-economy-/
Those crazy brain washed President Trump acolytes!
Yep, wwww and Inga are rhhardin sockpuppets. Women aren't as batshit crazy as those two. Not in my circles.
It's a little over the top rhhardin, and pretty demeaning to sane women everywhere.
they aren't any crazier than any newscaster on cnn or MSNBC, or cbs, so where is the parody,
The commie who claims not to be a commie is a common figure.
Whether or not Robert Cook is a “commie,” I'm not a commie, and most particularly Mark Steyn isn't a commie — and Steyn's been following this issue since long before the (2014) events in Ferguson, Missouri. I'd say that he and I agree more with Cook — in this regard at least! — than with other folk who've been commenting here.
Moreover, with regard to the Ferguson event(s), Michael Brown's killing was justified — and American police do not target and kill black Americans to an undue [racist] degree, compared with how they treat other Americans.
However, police in America do appear to kill everybody and anybody more indiscriminately than they should. Police fire in America isn't directed at any particular minority — not blacks, not transgenders, not persons having mental disorders. The distinguishing pattern in the United States is not (say) white cop vs. black male, as often alleged — but simply (sadly, all too often) cops vs. people. And if you or anybody gets in their way, too bad.
Conservative, multinational (originally Canadian, but now residing in New Hampshire), author and columnist Mark Steyn perceptively remarked on this unfortunate “pattern” in American policing back in the spring of 2014 — well before the events in Ferguson, MO, that led to the launch of Black Lives Matter later that year.
See these two (2014) postings by Steyn:
1. Gun Control; and
2. The Warning Shot Heard Round the World. (But Not Here.)
In the first of these posts, Steyn writes about how police in America too often jump to the use of deadly force even when non-criminal persons obviously requiring a nuanced approach, such as the mentally ill or challenged, are involved. As he quotes a news piece concerning just such an “incident”:
When police were called to a home in Boiling Spring Lakes, N.C., by parents seeking assistance in getting their mentally ill teen-aged son to the hospital for emergency treatment, two officers arrived and began attempting to calm down the agitated young man until a third officer, apparently an impatient one, showed up and ordered them to use their Tasers on the 100-pound teen, who was holding a screwdriver. Unsurprisingly, the tasing did not calm down the young man, who, according to his parents, was suffering from schizophrenia and had failed to take his medication. So he was shot to death by a police officer whose last words before pulling the trigger were: “We don't have time for this.”
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In his second posting, Steyn replies to law-enforcement and others' criticisms of that earlier piece. Here's an excerpt: [quoting Steyn…]
I'll stick just to your German example. You say, “Go tell the Polizei to f*** off and see what it gets you.” In none of the examples I've cited has anyone told you or your colleagues to “f*** off”. In the Supreme Court case, a law-abiding citizen was lawfully parking his lawfully-acquired and lawfully-registered vehicle outside his parents' lawful home when the police showed up and shot him.
How often do the Polizei do that?
Well, in 2011 the German police fired 85 bullets. That's all of them. The entire police force. The whole country. Eighty-five bullets in one year. That's seven bullets per month. One bullet for every million German citizens. The same year — 2011 — the Miami Police Department blew through the German Polizei's annual bullet allowance on just one traffic incident:
“Police killed Raymond Herisse, 22, of Boynton Beach in a barrage of gunfire after they said he refused an order to pull over while speeding down a crowded Collins Avenue in his Hyundai…
“Twelve officers – from Miami Beach and Hialeah – unleashed more than 100 rounds at Herisse, police said. The hail of bullets also struck and wounded three bystanders.”
The good news for those three bystanders is that, as John Thomas can assure you, that's “standard procedure.” And he's right. Which was the point of my original post: the “standard procedure” is the problem. It needs to change.
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In this secondary link Steyn points to a sad illustration of the fundamental way U.S. police agencies’ firearms use policy differs from that of other nations' police — simply in terms of whether and when police resort to the proverbial “warning shot” before launching lethally directed force: thus that post's title “The Warning Shot Heard Round the World. (But Not Here.)”
As Steyn sardonically notes, American police all too seldom offer the courtesy of a warning shot — which might indeed deter individuals not seeking “suicide-by-cop” — before directing a firehose (an overwhelming barrage) of bullets expressly intended to kill. As Mark observes, it's simply standard procedure.
Althouse, I don’t come here to read your opinion on anything, you’re a vapid academician. Getting chills less than 30 seconds into this ultra low key, not very effective and meandering expression of support for the country and our President reminds me of the loon sitting on the ground in tears screaming “nooooooooo” at the top of her lungs when Trump was inaugurated.
As for “cruelly neutral”, you’re a legend in your own mind. There’s nothing neutral about you, or you wouldn’t constantly load this blog up with links to the NYT and WAPO. And for a self anointed word maven, your misuse of “cruelly” should be embarrassing.
I come here to read the comments of people whose logic I respect, whether I agree with them or not. But if you keep dumping your sneers on the people making money for you, well, there aren’t enough Ingas, Cookes, Chucks etc to make up the difference when it’s not worth visiting this site anymore.
I experienced physical chills at 0:23 — "I am honored to call him President Trump"
Maybe Voigt's delivery brought up repressed memories of Bill Clinton's frequent use of "I'm honored to . . ." or "We're honored to . . . ." Indeed Voigt immediately follows up that line with a very Clintonesque lip smack/tongue cluck thingy.
I used to do embarrassing shit similar to wwww's posting of poetry but I decided to get sober. Drunkenness during the day, online, on a blog where others can read your stuff, should be your bottom. Seek help. It works if you work it.
THEOLDMAN
Blogger Shouting Thomas said...
And, no, Inga, I don't think anybody's saying Althouse hates Trump.
I've watched over the past 3 years, and she is slowly, against her will, being drawn to his side.
yeah, that and she's getting hotter for you too Thomas, slowly but shirley
Marcus: were you a cunt when you were a drunk or is that just a consequence of you being a dry drunk?
"Yep! I remember so vividly the commie propaganda of Coke's "I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing" campaign." Yep. Softening up the wackier non-property owning voters for mass importation of people from third world crass unproductive Marxism-infused societies based on the opposite of merit.
I can be quite the cunt but I never posted poetry. Drunk or sober.
THEOLDMAN
“Blogger Marcus said...
I used to do embarrassing shit similar to wwww's posting of poetry but I decided to get sober. Drunkenness during the day, online, on a blog where others can read your stuff, should be your bottom. Seek help. It works if you work it.
THEOLDMAN”
Good grief another senile old coot. Wwww is 9 months pregnant, I doubt she’s drinking. What makes you sound like a mean drunk?
@Hayden
Ask her what her position is on:
immigration
abortion
free trade
taxes
same-sex marriage
sexual freedom
busing
affirmative action
one man one vote
absolute rights
egalitarianism
religion
reparations
Ask her what her voting record was for the last 45 years?
Ask her if it is true that she voted for Jill Stein?
Ask her if she thinks Trump is "weird"?
Ask her what her favorite newspapers are?
You will be surprised at her "conservative" position.
Like she says she tries hard not to show her true colors.
Thanks Inga! I Not quite 9 months yet but all should be fine; I'm in the safe zone. They are watching BP carefully.
And...oh look, another mean and personal comment! "I used to do embarrassing shit similar to wwww's posting of poetry but I decided to get sober."
The personal and rude comment means it's time for another poem! The best way to respond to trolls is poetry. W.H. Auden:
About suffering they were never wrong,
The Old Masters: how well they understood
Its human position; how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just
walking dully along;
How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
For the miraculous birth, there always must be
Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
On a pond at the edge of the wood:
They never forgot
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
Where the dogs go on with their doggy
life and the torturer’s horse
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.
In Breughel’s Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
But for him it was not an important failure; the sun shone
As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
Water; and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.
Howard said...
Marcus: were you a cunt when you were a drunk or is that just a consequence of you being a dry drunk?
7/11/19, 7:20 PM
That's his excuse. What's yours?
Excuses, to god-damned hell with excuses! We have no excuses. In fact, we don't need excuses. I don't have to show you any stinking excuses, you god-damned cabrón and chinga tu madre
This thread has gotten even worse. 4w good luck with your pregnancy, assuming you are telling the truth.
My middle daughter is due the 29th.
Howard is nastier than usual, if possible.
Well situated on the left.
It's my white male privilege, Mike. You should try it sometime.
How can Auden do anything but make things better?
"My middle daughter is due the 29th."
Congrats for the new addition! Wonderful news and you all must be excited for the birth.
Thank you - we're excited but want more time to get things done. But it'll be ok. My Mom might come early. Other Grandma is scheduled for August.
Can’t we all just get along??
@Michael McNeil: All explained by German competence (for the time being) vs. US affirmative action hires who are incompetent and doubly terrified of dealing with the seedier parts of society and bulkier members of humanity.
Not as creepy as the supporters of the last president.
wwww said...
Doc might put me on bed rest. Y'all better stay on topic & not call each other out in mean ways -- or I'll might do this all day.
So 4w displayed her narcissism and entitlement all night huh? Someone criticized her so she ruined the blog for everyone. A riff on childishness: I'll take your ball and go home.
Here are two more examples — not this time from Mark Steyn's postings of a half decade ago — but rather from just today's (July 12, 2019) Short Circuit: a weekly court report appearing on UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh's highly regarded legal blog The Volokh Conspiracy, thus indicating cases significant enough to have reached the attention of at least a federal circuit court of appeals: [quoting…]
• San Diego officer locates man matching description of suspect who was reportedly wielding a knife, exits his patrol car, and shoots, kills the man—without identifying himself, giving a warning, or activating his bodycam. The officer says the man was “aggressing” the car, but surveillance video tells a different story. (Turns out the man had a pen, not a knife.) Ninth Circuit: A jury might think that was an unreasonable use of force. Claims against the city can proceed as well.
• Allegation: Suspect wanders into yard where six children are playing. Coffee County, Ga. police order everyone to ground, press guns against the children's backs. One officer shoots twice at nonthreatening dog. He misses but does hit a 10-year-old, who was lying face down an arm's length from the officer. Excessive force? Eleventh Circuit (over a dissent): Qualified immunity. No prior cases telling officers not to unintentionally shoot innocent bystanders. (Nor does this decision establish such a precedent.)
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(Sigh.)
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