Newsweek reports.
“I want to be clear that we are not making any presumptions about students’ intent in using the gesture,” [Superintendent Joylynn] Pruitt-Adams wrote. “Regardless of intent, however, there is a real and negative impact. Many students, not only our students of color, experience this gesture as a symbol of white supremacy. Potentially subjecting our students to this trauma is simply not acceptable.
“We are concerned that the gesture will become more closely associated with White supremacy in the future. Publishing the photos in question could not only harm students today but could subject students to potentially a lifetime of questions or penalty from colleges, employers, etc.”
As reported by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the OK hand gesture being linked to white supremacy started as a trolling campaign by users on the controversial message board 4Chan. The “Operation O-KKK” campaign was launched to trick people into thinking the gesture—frequently used by President Donald Trump during his public speaking—was meant to promote white supremacy as the fingers spell out WP (white power).
"The 'OK' symbol hoax was so widespread in the spring and summer of 2017 that a number of people on the far right began deliberately to use the gesture—typically making the sign while posing for photographs uploaded to social media—in order to continue the trolling and spread it further,” noted the ADL....
Pruitt-Adams sounds completely lucid. The effect on the observer matters — OK may
be experienced as a white power statement — and the students doing the gesturing — even if they just meant "okay" — could find their reputations damaged in the future. And yet the "OK" sign and the great American word "OK" ("okay") are a damned important part of our speech. And if we reject it now, then, going forward, all those past images of simple positivity will become confusing and subject to misinterpretation. And it seems this big, artificial move — changing an important part of our expression — is all about destroying Donald Trump. But nothing destroys Donald Trump! All efforts at destroying him destroy something else! Stop being do damned destructive...
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People misunderstand the circumstances of mockery.
Kids mocked the zeitgeist back in the day (see Mad magazine, etc.), because there was no cost in doing so.
There were no consequences. The butts of the jokes took the jokes.
You could make careers of it, businesses, like Mad magazine.
That’s no longer true. There are lifelong consequences for everything, potentially anything, that turns into a socio-cultural issue.
Imagine being condemned to a second-class existence, ten years later, for a bit of innocent fun at fifteen.
"On consideration, the administrator made the right call. "
The right call would be to have no yearbook at all. There's no telling what sign or signal may in the future be considered so horrendous that it can make an innocent person worse than a monstrous criminal. That's what happened to Nicholas Sandmann -- there was no crime he could be charged with, no legally sanctioned punishment for his terrible act of being, and no avenue of atonement available to him short of total self-denunciation, so the only solution for the Left was to ruin him comprehensively for the rest of his life.
It was a BETTER than leaving things as they were, but not RIGHT.
The swastika-fylfot-sunwheel is interesting. It has been used for thousands of years by diverse and widely-separated peoples.
Unless they've cleansed it, the last NYC subway station on the way to the Cloisters was decorated with swastika borders.
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Glad I saw Manhattan before now
This is a cultural problem without a path to a political solution.
Not within the scope of the US political process anyway.
And the problem is the state of mind of the decision-makers that run your institutions, private even more than public, and the people in the channels to become their successors.
At a certain social status, these people are your neighbors, friends, colleagues, acquaintances, friends of your wife or children.
These are the people who purged Brendan Eich and Linus Torvalds.
The situation is difficult.
How you are going to purge those millions of powerful people I don’t know.
@buwaya:
That is why I am prone to prognosticate: America is doomed.
It started out that way, but busing, etc., accelerated the process.
As someone who grew up in Detroit, I can concur that this is exactly what happened. Flight had started before this - especially in the 1960's - but when busing hit, it really accelerated.
It seems that school and, ahem, education establishments have basically every (anti-)social problem known to first world countries, and it seems to be spilling out into the real world.
I would suggests the problem isn't with people (white, black, or...whatever) but the education system...
There are lots of black lifeguards on Chicago beaches. I'd be delighted any of these folks show up anywhere, whether they are needed or not.
"I would suggests the problem isn't with people (white, black, or...whatever) but the education system..."
The problem is in your universities that are indoctrinating your entire leadership caste in a particular religion (mores et cultura). It comes from the top down, and these people, who run your institutions, also impose the consequences on those who offend or rebel.
The public schools and those who run them are downstream by some distance.
The "rock on" gesture is either white supremacist or demonic.
The "peace" gesture resembles a "v" and is secretly pro-war or in progressive times social justice.
The "ok" gesture is an inverted "PP", that is anti-abortion or pro-life. An inverted "ok" is actually pro-choice, pro-death after conception, pro-genocide after the first six weeks, and anti-women after the age of viability.
The middle finger, the longest finger, is used in some cultures in lieu of the index finger to point.
The thumbs up gesture is actually a steeple. Unclench the fingers, and inside are all of the people.
#HateLovesAbortion
When I reflect on my teenage self (and I was a straight arrow), I realize that I would have lain awake nights trying to figure out how to get that OK sign into any school publication.
Why? Not because I was a white supremacist, but because I and every other boy I knew wanted to show how idiotic some adults were, particularly the authoritarian and officious ones.
I wonder if Althouse, who had her own run-ins with school authoritarians on the subject of (ahem) skirt length, didn't share at that age some of the live-for-today, to heck with the principal's office attitudes the the OPRF 18?
Well, it is important to save the children from future blackface Halloween costume incidents, but online vigilantes have been ridden hard and put away wet too often. They are awful. They should be ignored, but we are stuck with them.
Bruce Hayden said...
"Back then Oak Park, where she lived, was a nice area, with a number of Frank Loyd Wright houses, including several on her block."
Ah, the city of broad lawns and narrow minds. I guess it hasn't changed as much as I thought.
The one and only ray of sunshine I could find in their logic is future-proofing the pictures. Sure, I think just about the entire thing is stupid, but that little sliver of, "okay, yeah, I can see that" creeps in.
Yes, the whole thing started as another 4Chan prank and has taken on a life of its own. BUT, we have no idea, now that it's out in the wilderness, if it will be adopted as the very thing it was originally, satirically, intended to be. I mean, I hope this era of PC fascism is gasping its last, but there's no guarantee of that, nor any guarantee it won't get worse before it gets better. If my child were in that book as a senior, I would give serious thought to making sure there's no chance such dumb thing could cause them serious, Northamesque angst later in life.
Most sane middle class people have voted with their feet. Nuff said.
Detroit is surrounded by nice suburbs where the normal people, black and white, live. Not just Gross Pointe. My FBI daughter's first assignment was Detroit because her Academy class was the last of the fiscal year. She had a nice apartment in Bloomfield Hills. I told her one consolation was that there would be plenty of crime.
She could not get a transfer for years because nobody wanted to go there, Finally, the SAC changed by retirement and the new one did not realize the replacement problem and let her transfer to LA.
The black gangs are starting to find the Chicago suburbs now and crime is spreading.
a number of Frank Loyd Wright houses, including several on her block."
South Shore also had some. I dated a girl whose family lived in one. Modest size, from his "Prairie Period," I think.
Hasn't helped the neighborhood which has descended into hell.
How you are going to purge those millions of powerful people I don’t know.
Kurt Schlicter has some ideas.
In 1968, 2 Olympic track stars did the black power salute, when they got their medals.
Perhaps, it was cultural appropriation of the highest order, but we used to mimic that black power salute in college, at parties, etc, etc. it seemed kinda fun and harmless.
Perhaps, we should be sent to reeducation camps for such repressive past behavior.....
Remember that kid who smiled? Is it PC to smile, to grin, to revel in gay apparel?
Boy these comment threads are dreary many times: I'm white and conservative; woe is me.
It's 'dreary' because totalitarian assholes like you are fine with banning innocuous hand gestures just for the hell of it.
Ban this:
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The administrator could have easily put a note on the picture noting that the OK hand signs were OK hand signs and that they had nothing to do with white supremacy or anything other than OK. Which is what the hand signs signify to all non-idiots.
Big Mike
Reminds me of the time the kids at the local high school trolled the new principal, telling her that shoes with three stripes on them were a sign of gang membership.
While that may have been trolling, shoe color has been used to denote gang membership. I was once at a bus stop in the vibrant side of town, when a black kid, an estimated 12 years old, asked me the following question. "Excuse me sir, but does your blue-colored athletic shoe mean that you are a Crip?" His respectful tone indicated that he wasn't trolling me.
@RichardJohnson:
Well certainly colors represent gangs. Crips were blue; Bloods were red. But actually the brand of shoe was much more important than the color. Bloods tended towards Reebok, and Crips towards Adidas.
I'm OK – You're OK
a 1967 self-help book by Thomas Anthony Harris. It is a practical guide to transactional analysis as a method for solving problems in life
a search on Bing of gang hand gestures shows predominantly black(or POC) hands.
...'supp wiff dat, yo?
Saw Falling Water on our roadtrip last summer. I was more impressed than I thought I would be, but damn, the guy loved small rooms and low ceilings.
I hear FLW had like, secret handshakes and signs and stuff . . .
In JROTC, back in the days of pay phones, and when Coors rather than medicinal weed was smuggled in from Colorado, one of our two Sergeants Williams had lost the third finger of his right (saluting) hand in some battle or brawl. He demonstrated the ideal salute, which we duplicated as best we could, though not everyone could fold and hold the finger in just so-- iIIiI
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It's a cherished sign to some of us, to this day
" Can I see a show of hands?"
students etc should display meaningless, arbitrarily configured gestures
to drive these kooks crazy, until they ban showing any portion of the hand
at all. No public display of hands allowed.
embrace the curious wisdom of the burka
Heinlein's Crazy Years continue.
Not just Gross Pointe.
it's Grosse Pointe, Dr. K !
Ok-- it's gotten gross, and getting grosser, though
Somebody mentioned that yearbooks have gone from expensive luxuries to dangerous indulgences, and I couldn't agree more. My mother bought a copy of the 1971 "Rebel" (yep! now Wolverine) after I told her she could spend her money on it--I sure wasn't wasting mine.
At ESU down the street I was only in one yearbook, a candid shot (i.e. I was just sitting in the UC, looking cool), in my four and a half years as an undergrad, and needless to say I never bought one.
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Who ARE these people?
and Sweden is looking to ban ancient Rune letters so as not to offend.
have they gone berserk, or not enough?
why didnt they just use Wite-Out ?
You know, I have never seen a black scuba diver. Has anyone here ever seen one?
Yes, a co-worker in Seattle. He drowned and much was made by one of the managers that he had used a company car.
Blogger Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...
Not just Gross Pointe.
it's Grosse Pointe, Dr. K !
Ok-- it's gotten gross, and getting grosser, though
Sorry. Didn't look it up and my daughter has been in the LA office for almost 20 years. She can retire pretty soon. Your tax dollars at work.
These high school students are learning an important lesson. By virtue of being leftist, leftists are their social superiors, whose every whim is law, and whom they must obey unconditionally.
Surely, this would have been different were the shoe on the other foot: massive protests, sympathetic CNN news stories, etc.. Lesson learned, hopefully.
no problem, Dr. K-- it's not you, it's us.
we see the decline and it gives us the sads.
btw-- the old joke/insult was: "It used to be called Grass Pointe, 'til YOU moved here!"
(as u know, it's 'grosse' as in large.)
No of this will stop until people STOP being obsessed with Racism and feeling its the worstest thing in the whole wide world.
As long as they think that, the Left and SJW's will use it as a club to beat them with. AND keep expanding the definition of "racism" until it means almost anything. From the look of it, we're almost there.
The future is the only kind of property that the masters willingly concede to slaves.
Albert Camus
You people who think it OK to submit to this bullshit have obviously learned nothing from the last couple decades. When you indulge this stupidity it only brings more and stupider stupidity. We are already losing so much to this counterfactual, science-denying, cultural and intellectual retardation that we will soon not have any of the protections or justice this country is most exceptional at. We are throwing away the exceptionalism, the incredible experiment in human potential that has been The United States. Everything beautiful, compassionate, and tolerant is being lost to cowardice and weakness in the face of a generation of spoiled brats who pine for relevance and are willing to destroy anything to get attention. Nobody is gonna stop this or fix it for us, if we don't have what it takes to keep what we have been proud of our whole lives. Are we really just gonna let it be stolen by infants with twitter accounts?
The most terrible thing about racism at this point is that it is just a slur like any other that has no meaning and is only used to attack people. Nobody can even define it anymore for more than 24 hours before it becomes something else. You might as well go back to "cracker", or "motherfucker" terms with roots and clarity.
I just dropped the school administrator a note suggesting she flag the picture indicating the OK signs were OK signs and nothing else. Thus giving her the opportunity to save the district 50 k.
I contacted her via LinkedIn. All these lefties are on LinkedIn thinking it will boost their careers. But they always, always read any messages you send. I sent one to the child at Harvard who got Sullivan canned. Asked if she would have done the same to him had he been a heart surgeon operating on Harvey W. She went batshit. Very funny. Saw I was older and resorted to wrongthink ageism in her fury. I have a screen shot of that I believe I will send to the Crimson. LOL.
"When you indulge this stupidity"
The trouble here is that it is not "you" indulging stupidity.
The mechanism here is that of a hue and cry, leading to persons in high places making decisions to institutionalize the demands of those making the hue and cry. These mainly take the form of official and semi-official sanctions, or the threat of sanctions, by private as well as public institutions.
"You" are out of this loop. You are not the leadership caste making these decisions. You do not control these institutions. You are not the gatekeepers to employment by Apple or Google or Goldman Sachs.
Blogger Bay Area Guy said...
Perhaps, it was cultural appropriation of the highest order, but we used to mimic that black power salute in college
At one point, Mr. McCoy looked toward his wife, smiled slightly, and raised his left hand in a clenched-fist salute. The meaning of this gesture was unclear. Mrs. McCoy refused to speak to reporters.
Bonfire of the Vanities
John Henry
i heard (on 4chan, i think) that
the peace sign REALLY MEANS Up your Ass!
or, possibly;
the peace sign REALLY MEANS DEFEAT THE FASCISTS!
I can't remember which; maybe it means: Up your Ass, Antifa!
Anyway; we'd better Do Something about that!
@Michael:
I just dropped the school administrator a note suggesting she flag the picture indicating the OK signs were OK signs and nothing else. Thus giving her the opportunity to save the district 50 k.
I'm assuming the cost is for reprinting, so I don't think any edits can be made without reprinting the whole batch. I suppose you could add some kind of sticker to the books, though.
The Taliban Democrat Party at work.
Of course the logical thing for the school to do would be to state "this is the dumbest damn thing I've ever heard, STFU".
Even wikipedia has the ok-prank listed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture
And what are divers and deaf people to do now.
I think people commenting here simply don’t understand the degree of poison in this culture.
Something like this will be used against these teenagers, it can ruin their lives.
The way to deal with this nonsense is not to acquiesce but to tell people to 'f off. Because people whose identity depends on their feelings of oppression always being validated, will NEVER run out of things to be offended by.
When a school official does some stupid thing, 99 times out of 100 it's an official from a public school. Why? Because private schools can't afford to p*ss off their parents (ie customers) with stupid a** decision.
This is all you need to know and agree to: ‘Individualism’ Is ‘White Supremacy Culture’
Re the ADL. I am a Torah observant, or Orthodox Jew. The ADL used to fight against antisemitism. Since it has been led by an Obama administration member, it is instead used as a cudgel against conservatives. It has abandoned its origin and is now simply another left wing organization, like the ACLU or teachers' unions. Any comments they make must be understood in that context.
$54k to change out a yearbook.
I attend a fundraiser for that area’s schools. The group works with the schools to provide glasses, hearing aids and tests and now winter clothing.
Now that yearbooks are weaponized by the leftwing, why would anyone want to agree to partake in the tradition?
I want my yearbook opt-out, and I want it now.
"Because people whose identity depends on their feelings of oppression always being validated, will NEVER run out of things to be offended by."
Those people aren't the problem. OK, they are a necessary part of the mechanism, but they are not what makes any of this significant. You can ignore them all you like.
The real issue is that the institutional leadership of everything in the US, and in some other countries, are inclined to be enforcers, often pre-emptively, according to the same world view. These people you cannot ignore because they can and will hurt you.
"Now that yearbooks are weaponized by the leftwing"
Everything is weaponized. Any form of public presence and identification.
If you can be googled.
Everything is weaponized.
Even your "Individualism". Now "Individualism" is White supremacist, too. (See Jack Wayne's link) How does that work with those "individuals" who don't have white skin?
Submit to the hivemind.
@Keith:
Since it has been led by an Obama administration member, it is instead used as a cudgel against conservatives.
That wasn't true under Abe Foxman?
Skipping way ahead so apologies if this is repetitive.
WW2 really accelerated the mechanization of agriculture to tap into farm manpower. The U.S. assisted in the UK's mechanization as well as they were very hard pressed.
When millions of veterans came home, there was no place on the farm. They were housed in the new suburban developments. My dad was one.
And then the whites got out of Dodge.
40 years after you graduate, the leftwing speech and mind-crime police will be searching your yearbook for crimes. an OK sign is one of them. One of them.
Keith observes: It has abandoned its origin and is now simply another left wing organization, like the ACLU or teachers' unions. Any comments they make must be understood in that context.
Rather like the Sierra club. Certainly not the organization John Muir founded.
The Crabgrass Frontier by my homeboy Kenneth Jackson sets it all out.
He said a few years ago that though he was initially, like a good liberal, skeptical of any benefits of suburbanization, he had gradually come to see the desire for a house and a yard for a family as natural, healthy, and more positive than negative overall.
There was a suburbanization/building boom after WWI, but nothing like what happened after the Big One. Millions of upwardly-mobile twenty- and thirty-somethings had seen too much destruction and wanted to BUILD STUFF, not destroy it-- and where better to start than residential housing?
We moved into a 3/2 of 1600sf in 1960; my youngest brother still lives there, along with a very few original neighbors. While true sprawl did continue and even strengthen, those late 1950s-early 60s neighborhoods still attract young families (more racially diverse, to be sure).
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We were at the city limits for about five years, and now it's housing from there to the next town east, a true suburb.
If you're a democratic, you can dress up in a KKK hood and your date is in blackface. All good. No crime in that.
You can also rape the ladies.
It's stunning how a country that elected Barack Obama twice could instantly, overnight, turn into a nightmare nation awash in white supremacy. White supremacy is now perceived to be so deep and widespread that even innocuous hand gestures are suspect and must be eliminated.
The paranoia about white supremacy reminds me of the communist hysteria of the 1950s. It's bizarre and irrational.
Groups try to appropriate all sort of symbols from Pepe The Frog to Rainbows to make them their own symbols; I myself still like the Nixon V, or the middle finger which I often flash to Trump—me bad.
Against the Left (and their enablers), we are in it for the long haul.
That's why Trump has been such a pleasant surprise. He is hated mostly because he fights back against the Left, and fights for ordinary Americans.
That's probably why the Christians like him too -- he fights for them.
Culturally speaking, the Universities, the mainstream media and Hollywood are 3 big incubators of Leftism. Gotta continue to mock and destabilize them.
To Achilles' point, there's a nest of establishment country-club Republicans who infest Wall St and Chamber of Commerce --gotta watch for them too.
I see a little "defeatism" from some folks upthread. I don't share it. As for concrete results, Trump has already transformed the Federal Courts in the right direction. This was a big source of leftist power.
Stay focused for the long haul!
Hey R/V—
👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿
And
🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
Interesting. Blogger changed my OK emojis at 10:54 that had the three fingers up to the more anodyne figure 👌🏿.
To that I say, if you’re white, you’re all right. If you’re brown, stick around. If you’re black, you’re also all right.
Amadeus 48 - I was thinking about that earlier.
There are "OK" and "thumbs up" symbols on our phones for texting etc... What now!? Will the tech overlords cave to the pressure?
Madness.
👌 👌 👌 👌 👌
I believe that I was told not to use the (circle) "OK" sign in Brazil because it meant something insulting (FU?). and that I should use the the "thumbs up" sign to indicate that all was good. Can anyone confirm this?
Yancey @ 10:56
We are losing our fucking minds. A school district spending $55K just to eliminate a hand gesture from photos.
I encourage every single fucking high school student to use this gesture relentlessly from this point forward. It is the only way to combat this sort of nonsense on the part of the politicians and school officials.
THIS.
BleachBit-and-Hammers said...
40 years after you graduate, the leftwing speech and mind-crime police will be searching your yearbook for crimes
Greeks are Caucasian Europeans, thus white.
Archaeological ruins and ancient texts show that dexiosis – was practiced in ancient Greece as far back as the 5th century BC, and it continues til this day.
wait til you get outed for THAT racist gesture!
Hand shaking - Colonial Violence and racism
This too
Packer Bronco suggests: The way to deal with this nonsense is not to acquiesce but to tell people to 'f off.
EXACTLY!!! Stand up to bullies, don't backtrack, don't apologize. Instead, double down and, by all means, tell them to fuck off!
OK, let's handle handshakes. I was giving out history day awards a few months ago, but was cautioned beforehand (ha) not to extend my hand to the young Muslim female winners; boys OK.
As I've mentioned before, I'm not much for physical contact of any kind in public settings, and I'm getting to be pretty good at doing the deflective leanaway and rollout from would-be huggers. If I must shake hands, I increasingly prefer the old-fashioned mitteleuropaische finger-only gesture (flick and click optional--too easily misconstrued).
I could live without ever shaking hands or slapping backs. Don't get me started on hi-5s and fissbumps an all dat shizzle. What do you think, time to retire the handshake entirely?
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I do like shaking hands and hugging dogs though, even in public
btw-- the old joke/insult was: "It used to be called Grass Pointe, 'til YOU moved here!"
(as u know, it's 'grosse' as in large.)
I had a sailing friend who lived on Grosse Isle. We did a Port Huron to Mac Race one year. A front came through at night and I discovered Lake Huron has square waves.
They will experience life as stupid people.
The year before I arrived, the editors of my Episcopal prep school yearbook (delivered in Sept) arranged the faculty photos to spell "FUCK XXX(the school initials)", one letter per page. Their diplomas were rescinded, but I never heard if anything else happened to them.
our humanity is a liability in interactions with one another.
It's not who we are.
How do we expect to function as a society with this baggage?
A touch, a smile, a compliment, etc-- these vestigial impulses
to dominate have no place in a society that no longer makes
distinctions.
The casualties of this incremental goal-post shifting during this slow, clumsy transition
have highlighted the need to accelerate the process.
Hand-shake banning, outlawing body language etc is only the beginning.
In the interim, burka-like full body suits with voice-bot translators would be a
welcome tool to offset the gestures and triggering cues of "individuality" that now
plague us. Low-voltage signals would alert us when we are at risk of
contact with one another.
Ultimately, when we are all linked up together in our amniotic bio-pods and liberated
from our unique, individual clutter can we truly be a functional society.
I wonder what they're missing out by doing this.
Wait till Oklahoma learns what they've got to do.
ICTA at 11:19PM: Well played, sir.
Am I off the Christmas Party list?
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I make great brownies
The paranoia about white supremacy reminds me of the communist hysteria of the 1950s. It's bizarre and irrational.
What they are telling me is that whites, by their very presence, trigger an inferiority complex. They way they keep going on about White This and White That is starting to make me wonder if maybe whites ARE superior.
Somalia was a wakeup call, you couldn't dismiss it or rationalize it away. Imagine if you took your friends to your great grandfather's village in Scotland or France only to find your second cousins still squatting in a mud hut trying to remember which hand to eat with and which to wipe with.
And then an entire 6 weeks in America was dedicated as Euro History Month where they belabored the point that Liam O'Conner's invention of fishing reels rivaled splitting the atom.
You would be insecure too.
The dark side of this is that getting Whites to identify tribally is a really bad idea. There is a story, I don't know how true, of a young Black Panther recruit getting impatient with the movement and cornering one of the elder members:
"Why don't we just pick up a rifle and go to war against the whites?"
"Son. Did you not see what they did to the indians?"
What do you think, time to retire the handshake entirely?
Not me. I get 3-4 tells about a man's character from the handshake ritual.
wait til you get outed for THAT racist gesture!
There's like 40 pictures of Obama flashing the OK signal. Also Hillary, Bill, the Pope, Mary Lou Retton, Jesse Jackson, a class of 12 year old girls, Tony the Tiger. It's like the racists have secretly infiltrated every part of America!
Guess we have to tear down Obama's statues as soon as they start cropping up.
Fen, sure, I don't dispute that there's a utility in a handshake; I'm just not that into physical contact. With old friends who insist on a handshake, I do the old middle-finger folded routine--what would that tell you if we met? (And we were old friends?)
As to cultural backwardness, a friend of mine back in the early 80s was an anthropology grad student and involved in a dig in the Sudan. After a summer there, he came back, rolled his eyes, and said simply, "Islam is fuuucked up."
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My own studies pretty much confirm his judgement
I think people commenting here simply don’t understand the degree of poison in this culture. Something like this will be used against these teenagers, it can ruin their lives.
Why aren't we ruining the lives of the instigators? The SJW that got a Harvard Dean fired for representing Harvey Weinstein in court has now set her sites on The Harvard Lampoon. Why is she not a pariah?
Conservatives continue to play a Prevent Defense for 4 quarters and congratulate themselves for only losing 3-0. For 16 games straight. Then they trade their 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the promise of future negotiations.
I'm getting sick of all the outrage porn clickbait. Madison Ave is destroying the country. Even the right-wing sites are dipping from the honey pot. Talk talk talk. Either pick up a rifle or STFU.
Speaking of Honey Pots, Amazon has a lovely collection starting at just $19.99. Remember to use the Althouse Amazon Portal for all your shopping needs!
I'm just not that into physical contact
I understand completely. And where I was raised there are limits. For example, it's considered rude to extend your hand out for a handshake with a woman.
I'm curious though, how do you brush them off?
Fen: awkwardly. I'm actually a pretty big, gregarious, and apparently "huggable" fellow, but it gets old.
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I'm a big fan of sexual contact, to be sure, but behind closed doors
Stupidity, thy name is school administrators.
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