John writes:
So, Gillibrand says she's changed her mind again and again, while Trump is unwilling to change his mind. But wait — by her own account, she changed her mind because her job changed from representing a relatively conservative district in upstate New York to representing the whole state, which is more liberal.John observes that both Gillibrand and Trump have changed their minds and it seems as though in both cases, it was to suit their political ambition. I agree. It's just politics, not some aspiration — as Gillibrand insipidly put — to "be better and be stronger."
Well, Trump has also changed his views. He used to be pro-choice. Trump admitted in 2015: "At one point, I was a Democrat. As Ronald Reagan changed, I also changed. I became much more conservative. I also became a Republican."
In 1999, Trump said he wouldn't want to ban "partial-birth abortion": "I'm very pro-choice. . . . I am pro-choice in every respect."
Trump said in 2004: "In many cases, I probably identify more as a Democrat. . . . It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than under the Republicans." As you can see in that video, he said in another video (I'm not sure when) that he was "liberal on health care."
"Be better" reminds me of the Melania Trump slogan "Be best," which I see she was accused to stealing from Michelle Obama, who said "Be better." So Gillibrand uses the Democratic version of the maddeningly generic exhortation.
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I thought women were allowed to change their minds. Constantly.
So she just stereotyped herself.
When do politicians evolve and when do they flip flop?
Dunno. Why would anyone think that Donald Trump refuses to change his mind? To me he seems to follow Scott Adams' description that he "pushes on every door". If it works, good. If not, try something else. Constantly changing his mind.
Is this just an example of Trump = every negative thing?
Anyhow, isn't the common liberal meme that Trump agrees with whomever talked to him last?
When your "principles" are fluid, changing your mind is part of the racket.
Having a principle is akin to having a North Star (a Pole Star; a Polaris) from which you draw guidance.
Trump actually does have a set of principles.
Senator JellyBean is still at 2% in the latest Dem Primary polls.
So, yeah, change your mind a thousand times, back and forth, you go for it, girl!
Since she comes from Upstate NY and positioned herself as a moderate, any mind-changing will likely come from a position of sanity to left-wing box-checking.
Distinctions not cost effective.
I only change my mind when it's wet and stinky.
It's only a good thing if your first instinct is usually wrong. A wind vane changes pretty often, but then again, they are always right.
Three words. "Tactile". Nuclear. Weapons.
Changing your mind is easy when you're a dolt.
where is tulsi on that list, yes I know her politics are bonkers,
“Three words. "Tactile". Nuclear. Weapons.”
Two words. Nuclear. Triad.
How is her mind on Trump's innocence and the Obama Administration's abuse of power.
Any changes there?
Trump is a pragmatist. He is not an ideologue.
Different things are important to him.
I find myself agreeing with his list of things. They are just more important.
Right now the only thing that matters is cleaning up the traitorous cabal that spied on the political opponent of Hillary Clinton including the man who was most central in weaponizing the federal government against it’s citizens.
Women change their minds out of necessity.
I want to hear more about Gillibrand's involvement in this Nxivm (?) sex cult thing. Seems to be gaining traction.
where she claimed to be "able to admit when you're wrong and ... to grow and learn and listen and be better and be stronger,"
she claimed to be:
- able to admit when you're wrong
- and to grow
- and learn
- and listen
- and be better
- and be stronger
Wow, that's quite a list. What's Trump's?
- Renegotiate trade deals to keep jobs from going overseas
- Denuclearize North Korea
- Reinvigorate the economy by removing barriers to investment
- Keep rapists and drugs out of the country
Hmmmm. Kristen's list looks pretty air-filled in comparison.
be "able to admit when you're wrong
That was the tell right there. Women are never wrong.
the real hellfire club, which tapper set in the 50s, but it is apparently much alive with members of the Salinas family, the fox's, the bronfmans etc etc,
It's not as much as she changed her views, it's that she changed her views instantly and utterly at the moment when it suited her. As much as I believe in such things as instant conversion when there is some sudden epiphany, that's not what happened here. She's essentially admitted she is a rank opportunist who will tell you whatever you want her to believe. Her positions are 100% negotiable. She is completely phony and proud of it. This actually may be fine for the Democratic primary voters who seem to like ciphers, but it does reflect a person of very poor character.
As for Trump, it has never struck me that he has strong principles either, which is why I was very hesitant about him before the election. Honestly, I'd rather have someone else, but at the moment there is no one else. I cannot spare this man: he fights.
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
“Three words. "Tactile". Nuclear. Weapons.”
Two words. Nuclear. Triad.<
Inga is about to explain the "Bush Doctrine" to us. Expert on useless wisdom.
@furious_a
Keith was "Dominus Obsequium Sororium" (Master of the slave sisterhood)
Kristen is "Dominae Obsequium Stultarii" (Master of the slave idiots)
And both their names start with "K"!!! A hot-branding twofer!!!
Wow, that's quite a list. What's Trump's?
- Renegotiate trade deals to keep jobs from going overseas
- Denuclearize North Korea
- Reinvigorate the economy by removing barriers to investment
- Keep rapists and drugs out of the country
Hmmmm. Kristen's list looks pretty air-filled in comparison.
Trump has renegotiated two trade deals. One with S. Korea and the new NAFTA. Neither was a significant change to the status quo. Especially after he called NAFTA "the worst deal ever", I don't know how anyone who believes this could call the new deal anything but an abject failure.
North Korea has not denuclearized and negotiations have stalled.
The economy is doing well but appears to be slowing.
He hasn't kept drugs or "rapists" out of the country. In fact in March 100,000 people entered illegally and April looks to be worse. And by diverting customs agents to processing asylum claims, he is making it easier, not harder to smuggle drugs from Mexico.
At least she didn't say "Nukular" cuz that would be really stupid.
she claimed to be:
- able to admit when you're wrong
- and to grow
- and learn
- and listen
- and be better
- and be stronger
Aside from admitting it when you are wrong, which is a routine adult behavior, these others are meaningless virtue signalling tropes.
One of Hillary's big mistakes, especially vs Trump, was to come up with a clear and articulate description of why she was running for the office of POTUS. Gillibrand is headed down the same road - as are Harris and all the others.
White House National Security Adviser John Bolton could not stop laughing when played a clip of Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D., N.Y.) discussing her opposition to "tactile" nuclear weapons on the campaign trail.
How dare she oppose tactile nuclear weapons!! The blind have as much right to nuclear deterrence as anyone else.
So there.
The Gillibrand Triad: nuclear weapons that are tactful, tasteful, and tacit. Three adjectives never associated with Trump, the tactile tactician.
Two words. Nuclear. Triad.
Oh, dear. Abby Normal's staggering around the laboratory again.
Give her a sedagive.
Back when liberals were open-minded, the joke was that some were so open minded that they did not know how to argue their own side in a debate.
Now the Left doesn't try to argue. They just accuses the other sides of racism, White nationalism, sexism, xenophobia, transphobia, cultism and lack of elite credentials (you know, the Deplorables).
They still do not know how to argue their own side in a debate. Journolists and DNC officials get together on talking points so that people like Inga know what to cut and paste.
It is a sad decline of civilization that we are witnessing.
Good night Gilli. There is no way that you would be president, not even when hell freezes over and the poles are melted. But keep campaigning, there are rubes who would "donate" and make you a multi-millionaire.
"One of Hillary's big mistakes, especially vs Trump, was to come up with a clear and articulate description of why she was running for the office of POTUS. ..."
Whatever, the real reason is, she, like all other candidates, is power hungry and greedy. Whatever she wants to do is to benefit herself first.
Trump, however, does not lie about his ambition.
Hence, we are amused when the Fake Media breathlessly accuse Trump of lying. Every politician lies, the Fake Media lie.
Kirsten Jellybean wants to break away from the pack of moronic non-entities who comprise the Democratic field of POTUS wannabees to become the outstanding moronic non-entity POTUS wannabee.
oh well if you put it that way:
https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/04/09/nxivm-sex-cult-kirsten-gillibrand-father-lobbied/
Kirsten Gillibrand is the least impressive candidate in the race. Her baby voice is worse than AOC's and Dr. Ford's combined.
But is she open to changing her mind about Trump? Didn't think so.
I have.
I love getting "tactile" with my nuclear weapons, but only when they give me consent.
My nukes and I have a 'triad' series of 'safety' words.
The day word = 1st base
The command word = 3rd
The action word = Oh baby is it hot!
Don't get me started on what we do with the authenticator card. This blog is PG13!
It's a fair point that John Althouse Cohen makes.
Of course it is one thing to have an ideology, with changing views on issues as different evidence arises.
It is another thing altogether, to have no ideology at all, and to base your changing views on the swings of popular culture and popular media.
I still think that one of the most revealing little tidbits about Trump was the subject that led reporter Michelle Fields to try to ask Trump a question after one of his most notorious pressers in Florida. It was the occasion on which she was grabbed by Cory Lewandowski, leading to another kerfuffle.
The question that Michelle Fields wanted to ask Trump was about Trump's oddly uninformed comments following the Supreme Court oral arguments in Fisher v University of Texas. Lets's set it up in reverse order, last thing first:
In his reaction to the story, Trump criticized Justice Scalia:
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/263074-trump-scalia-affirmative-action
And that was what Fields wanted to ask Trump about when she was grabbed and stopped. It was going to be a really good question, asking Trump why he had criticized Scalia.
What seems to have swayed Trump, was Trump's getting his information from mainstream media. For an example, here is this LA Times report on the Scalia questions in oral argument (which ironically include a reference to Trump, who actually -- later -- criticized the Scalia comments):
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-scalia-race-20151210-story.html
But if Trump had been smart and informed about conservative judicial philosophy -- and he obviously isn't -- Trump would have known this:
https://fedsoc.org/commentary/blog-posts/justice-scalia-and-mismatch
And therefore, Trump wouldn't have been in the weirdly stupid position of criticizing Scalia (as if Trump knew better), whom Trump would later praise effusively when it came time for him to nominate SCOTUS justices himself.
The Democrat candidates are 'like a box of chocolates.....'
Shorter Freder: I take no position on Gillibrand's air-filled list, but I'll happily outline the progress Trump has made on issues Dems don't seem to care about.
My question to all the Dems in 2020 is this: if Kim Jong Un started lobbing missiles over Japan again, what are you going to do?
Because I don't see a cogent answer coming out of any of them.
All this, "What are your priorities?", "Should rich people be taxed more?", "Does white privilege exist?" and "How are you different than Trump" is the typical softball questioning from a warm and embracing media.
The more wrong you currently are and have been, the more you will have and still need to change your mind. Don't see how this is something to brag about.
Cutting your clothes to fit the climate is not necessarily a bad thing in a politician, if the goal of politics is to give "the people" what they want. As opposed to what you think they ought to have.
Is she going to change her mind from statism to a more pro-freedom direction? That's all I'm interested in. Otherwise she can just go to Hell.
This thread was really quick going there for a while skipping through Mary and Chuck. One of my best scrollings.
Well, Quaestor beat me to it. But if anyone wants a link to the video of Bolton re Gillibrand, it is here: https://freebeacon.com/politics/bolton-cant-stop-laughing-at-gillibrands-nuclear-weapon-gaffe/
It is easy to see how Dimocrats could be a bit edgy these days with nuclear weapons that are touchy-feely.
OTOH, land mines have always been designed to have haptic feedback.
Ah, Kirsten. Evidently, her mind is so open that her brain fell out.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
Bernie Three-House - he never changed his mind about socialism even as he got richer; even when he became a millionaire, he still denounced millionaires and billionaires. But now through his tax releases, we know this previously hidden fact, that he is a millionaire himself, about him. Will he change his mind about millionaires and billionaires? Are they policy failures? Or will it turn out that socialist leaders can be rich in a, shall I say, in a PURE way?
MikeR said:
MikeR said...
Anyhow, isn't the common liberal meme that Trump agrees with whomever talked to him last?
Hahahhaha right? I think that meme disappeared when Trump stopped talking to Obama's people. It was a liberal dream Obama would be able to influence him.
He hasn't kept drugs or "rapists" out of the country. In fact in March 100,000 people entered illegally and April looks to be worse. And by diverting customs agents to processing asylum claims, he is making it easier, not harder to smuggle drugs from Mexico.
Freder's in favor of a wall.
This is good news, indeed.
Gillibrand is open to changing her mind to whatever the focus groups say will get her elected. At her core, she's coreless.
"Two words. Nuclear. Triad."
Two other words: hoax dossier
A 3-letter word: "J-O-B-S"___Joe Biden
Jerrold Nadler Republican Chuck: "It is another thing altogether, to have no ideology at all, and to base your changing views on the swings of popular culture and popular media."
LOL
Moron LLR indicts his entire pantheon of now-fully-exposed fake conservative LLR's!!
Meanwhile, the Heritage Foundation notes Trump is by far the most conservative President in our lifetimes.
This angers Chuck. Greatly.
Given Barr's testimony today, its easy to understand why LLR Chuck is on edge....and in fear for his lefty/dem obama Admin-Stasi wannabes.
Chuck: Of course it is one thing to have an ideology, with changing views on issues as different evidence arises. It is another thing altogether, to have no ideology at all, and to base your changing views on the swings of popular culture and popular media.
So, we should expect you to adhere to your "principles" as you give your full-throated support for Barr investigating and prosecuting the traitors who attempted a coup against the American people, right?
All day long, week after week, month after month.
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen, philosophers , and divines.” — R.W. Emerson, “Self Reliance.
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