Madison is ranked so high on this year’s Top 100 Best Places to Live list because it excels in nearly every category across the board. The food scene is stellar, from cheap eats to fine dining, with a wide range of styles and flavors. There is plenty of green space within the city and tons of lakefront since it sits on an isthmus, but it’s also within 50 miles of 21 State Parks, forests and recreation areas. Though the city could benefit from more diversity, Madison is a friendly, easy-to-navigate city that’s chock full of things to do and see — many of which are free through the state’s flagship university....
March 6, 2019
"2019 Top 100 Best Places to Live — #3 Madison, Wisconsin."
At Liveability. What beats Madison? Boise, Idaho and Raleigh, North Carolina.
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So - you're not moving from Madison, right? Boises's loss...
Though the city could benefit from more diversity
And the schools suck. Yes, we need more diversity.
Though the city could benefit from more diversity...
That's not going to go over well, is it?
Oh- they meant fewer white people? Well, that's different...
What matters most to you when you’re deciding where to live?
That’s what we asked 1,000 millennials across the country in an exclusive survey.
Their #1 answer, by a landslide? Affordability.
How affordable is Madison?
Wel, maybe for 6 months of the year.
but but but! I'd heard that TWENTY FIVE PERCENT of All Women in Madison get RAPED, EVERY HOUR!!!
I glanced at the list. Lots of college towns and state capitals. It sort of figures that those places would be full of good restaurants, cultural venues, and activities of all sorts.
RK beat me to it
Amadeus 48 said...
I glanced at the list. Lots of college towns and state capitals.
100 Best Places to Live if you have the same preferences and values as the people making the list.
The criteria for inclusion are that the city is less than 1,000,000 in population and that the median house value is under $250,000. So, not very big and not very affluent. Yeah, sign me up for that for sure.
"How affordable is Madison?"
It depends, but we pay over $18,000 in property tax alone. That said, we have a big, beautiful house in a fantastic neighborhood, with walk-out interestingness in all directions (including 3 lakes).
There are some regular cities — Cincinnati is #25.
"Though the city could benefit from more diversity" is kind of a racist dog whistle!
Madison is a beautiful city. It is NOT a welcoming city for those who have any conservative thoughts. Or, for those who want to improve the schools. So......pretty to look at, but its' inside is kind of scummy. These kinds of polls, rankings only look at the outside of a city.
Best of all, Madison has four Wal*Marts, three of which are Supercenters!
College towns have ossified into 60s nostalgia islands where people pretend eternally that we live in Selma in the 60s.
Boring.
Though the city could benefit from more diversity
How, specifically?
How affordable is Madison?
Very, but since such a high percentage of people are well-educated there aren't enough good jobs to go around.
Maybe that's how we could benefit from more diversity!
Or, for those who want to improve the schools.
That's why we live in the suburbs. We can't afford private school and we wouldn't send our kids to Madison schools on a dare.
I'm going to have to take a look at the evaluation criteria to determine the validity of this ranking. Something suspicious is going on...
How affordable is Madison?
Not very. On the plus side, it's pretty walkable, and cheap eats are available.
But Madison taxes are ridiculous. The Property Tax bundles together a State, City, County and School Tax (including the Technical College). They all get a share of the pie, and it's a rich and creamy pie, chock full of extras, that is very expensive. My house is more modest that Althouse's -- mine is about 2000 square feet with a shared drive -- and I pay $1000/month in property tax.
No Mayoral Candidates ever addresses this taxation.
"tim maguire said...
100 Best Places to Live if you have the same preferences and values as the people making the list."
Exactly. I lived there. So glad I'm out.
"Though the city could benefit from more diversity."
Wear a MAGA hat. Put a Trump 2020 bumper sticker on your car. See how much Madison likes diversity.
Of course!
Althouse's residency in Madison is the least interesting thing about her.
She spent her life in a completely homogenized work environment at UW law, where everybody talked Marxist bullshit, although they were all kids from wealthy backgrounds.
How Althouse maintained her individuality and mental clarity in the midst of this crap is a subject I'd like to hear her address.
"Millennials".
So, yeah, kind of limited applicability.
easy-to-navigate city
I sure wouldn't say that about Raleigh and its main satellites: Durham, Cary, and Chapel Hill. But it is relatively easy to get to beaches and mountains.
My 3rd daughter went to undergrad at UW Madison and loved it so much she settled down, married and started her family in Madison. She never came back to Waukesha County to live.
Manhattan is the most interesting, lively and worthwhile place to live in the U.S.
It's a town for hustlers, tough guys, scam artists, professionals... for everybody who wants to experience the best and worst of what humans have to offer.
It's also the center of the great American empire, the Rome of its era.
Why an ambitious, intellectual person would want to live anywhere else is a mystery to me.
Yeah, it's a very tough place to live. Not for sissies.
That has to be the most bogus best places list I've ever seen. #29 Albany, New York? What? Albany, New York is one of the most depressing places I've every lived. It's a government-worker town with no nightlife, depressing restaurants, uninspiring universities, awful weather, and lame politics.
Inga, you're such a deliberate liar when it comes to politics that I suspect you lie with equal dexterity about your personal life.
@Henry
You are mostly correct about Albany, but there are some exceptions.
Albany is starved for good music. It's a great place to play. Audiences are grateful that musicians want to play there and they turn out and are quite enthusiastic.
“I suspect you lie with equal dexterity about your personal life.”
I don’t have much confidence in your “observations” about anything of import.
mine is about 2000 square feet with a shared drive -- and I pay $1000/month in property tax.
Yikes. What are the state income and sales taxes like?
I pay $1700 city & county for 1850 sqft--for the year.
It looks like New Jersey got shut out. That seems odd as usually Montclair makes such lists, as long as you don't mind paying property taxes through the nose.
"Though the city could benefit from more diversity" is kind of a racist dog whistle!
This is your warning, black people, that there's a lot of white people in Madison -- just in case you're thinking of moving here.
But OTOH, white people in Madison love black people so much they never stop acquiescing to their every whim, and black people never stop coming up with antics to get even more love and attention.
Ann pardon my asking but eighteen grand in property taxes is pretty steep. How much is your home's appraised value for taxes?
"The criteria for inclusion are that the city is less than 1,000,000 in population and that the median house value is under $250,000."
Here's the Median Home values by State:
In the USA, about 76 Million homes total, about $217K is the median value.
Of course, California has the highest median home value: $509K
In San Francisco, the median home price is $1.378 Mill. Yowzah.
Poor Boise - gonna be inundated with losers soon.
I've lived in Raleigh, NC since 1985.
Best move I've ever made!
I know you and Meade were looking at Asheville as a potential city to relocate form a post a few days ago. I would encourage to go back there to visit because I think it is a nice place. I am taking my wife there in a couple of weeks for her birthday, we are spending the day at Biltmore and then a night at the Grove Park Inn before heading on down to our Georgia home for the weekend.
However, if you do decide to visit when making your decision I would encourage you to go about 90 min further south on I-26/US 25 and visit Greenville, SC, which is number 10. It is a very nice place and they have done wonders restoring the downtown area. Many towns across the South have been using them as reference point for improving their own communities. I was glad to see it on this list. My son, who lives in Chattanooga now, says it is the only other place he would consider moving, he has several close friends that live there.
Have not been further down the list yet but I would hope both Chattanooga and Franklin, TN are on the list. Also very nice places to live and TN has one big advantage over SC - no income tax.
CO didn't even make the list.
F* yeah.
CO sucks - tell your friends. Thanks.
My home town, Sioux Falls, is ranked number 7. Surprisingly, they don't fault us for our diversity. Must be because we've got all different kinds of white people.
Since everybody's talking property tax, we pay a little over $4K a year on 2K square feet (two-stall attached garage, huge back yard). No state income tax, either, but we do pay 6.5% sales tax on everything (including groceries and clothing).
That's a weird list. San Bernardino CA ? Victorville CA ? Lancaster CA?
You could not pay me to live there. Tucson is #99 but two North Dakota towns" Fargo ?
Jobs are good, I'm sure.
Why would the place benefit from more diversity? What benefit does more diversity provide?
We're No. 4!
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-highest-and-lowest-property-taxes/11585/#real-estate
I've lived in many of these places, All the Montana locations have third world economies. Ditto Spokane and Richland, WA. Most have awful weather. The Florida locations away from the coast are pretty crappy. Marietta, GA is awful. The list seems to be put together for trust fund kids who don't have to work or for retirees.
@ST -- I lived in downtown Albany for about 5 years, then moved to Troy, then moved away.
Downtown Albany turned into a ghost town at nights. There were a couple of live music spots, but my friends in bands had a lousy time getting gigs in the city and outside the city, you had to play covers.
"Manhattan is the most interesting, lively and worthwhile place to live in the U.S.
"It's also the center of the great American empire, the Rome of its era.
"Why an ambitious, intellectual person would want to live anywhere else is a mystery to me."
BOY HOWDY! Truer words were never spake!
I've lived here for just shy of 38 years and I love the city unreservedly.
Sadly, I anticipate I will probably be leaving in the next handful of years, to move somewhere else that, where ever it will be, will be inferior in almost every respect.
"Why would the place benefit from more diversity? What benefit does more diversity provide?"
If you have to ask, you'll never understand.
That $18K is jaw-dropping, although I see MadisonMan explain: "The Property Tax bundles together a State, City, County and School Tax (including the Technical College)."
Where I live, we pay about $1,200 in property taxes, plus 1 percent on earned income and $250 occupational tax. County taxes are negligible, and the state's pretty reasonable, too. We got a big amusement park nearby, so touring acts stop in and the smaller acts play the local theatre (Weird Al and Pearl Jam recently, along with Broadway tours).
Now, 100K could buy you half a duplex in the center of town, walkable to the schools, the park, and the library.
Why would the place benefit from more diversity?
There are people that like that.
If you have to ask, you'll never understand.
I notice you can't say what it is either.
I have to concur with Michael K re the three California towns that made the list; San Bernardino at #44, Lancaster at #62, Victorville at #95.
For good and sufficient reasons most Californians would not want to live in any of those places. San Berdoo--has either been or soon will be bankrupt. It's also hot and dry. Lancaster is home to a lot of Section 8 housing--and stuck out in the middle of the desert as is #95 Victorville. At various times I've been through all of those towns---always on my way to somewhere else. There are lots of nicer places to live in California, but that median house price cutoff point excludes virtually all of them. Not to mention high taxes, congestion and general politically liberal stupid governing policies. See our new Stonehenge in the Valley, aka Governor Moonbeams Choo Choo to Nowhere.
How did Ann Arbor go from #1 on their 2018 list to not even in the top 100 on their 2019 list? What kind of standards produce those results?
"I notice you can't say what it is either."
Why bother spelling it out? One either understands without being told or one will never get it.
But, let's just say the answer is implicit in your own paean to NYC.
Or, put another way, who wants to eat food without seasoning or listen to music without syncopation? Who wouldn't want to enjoy the "...spice of life?" Who wants to live in a Stepford, Connecticut?
100 Best Places to Live if you have the same preferences and values as the people making the list.
Yes. In scrolling through the list, I was amazed at how many of those towns I have visited or spent significant time.
Aside from the college town bias, the people who made the list seem to be biased towards a good food scene.
Even shitholes like Fort Wayne have (or used to before LNC moved out) great little restaurants.
"How did Ann Arbor go from #1 on their 2018 list to not even in the top 100 on their 2019 list? What kind of standards produce those results?"
Arbitrary.
@Robert
I grew up in a tiny town of 5,500 in the cornfields in Illinois.
When I was a kid, I thought the problem was that my homies should want to be like me.
A couple of decades later, I realized that the problem had always been me. I wanted and aspired to things that my homies didn't want.
My homies are fine people and they want to live entirely among their own kind. They don't hate anybody either.
Unless you're David Blaska.
Who's talking about hate? I'm talking about uniformity, conformity, lack of variety, deadening sameness of tastes and ideas. It's like that scene in an episode of THE SIMPSONS when Marge discovered there were spices other than Salt and Pepper. She was baffled.
That $18K is jaw-dropping
As the state capitol, Madison is choc-full-o people who make their living off the taxpayer dime. Hence the love of taxing ones neighbors to increase their own pay/benefits. It's like a public sector pyramid scam.
“Unless you're David Blaska.”
To Blaska, Madison is an “American Carnage!”
Who wouldn't want to enjoy the "...spice of life?"
Next to public housing.
Pittsburgh (my hometown) @ #8! Clearly, these rankings underweigh the crappy weather and roads. That's the main reason I'll continue to live in Portland after retirement.
Sell now!
Yes Madison is a boring place, please don't move here and I would encourage many to consider warmer places to live like ClearWater, Fl.
"American Carnage", is that a reference to the city in general or the public schools in particular? If the schools, you might want to consider his point.
How did Ann Arbor go from #1 on their 2018 list to not even in the top 100 on their 2019 list? What kind of standards produce those results?
Buckeye Editors.
San Antonio suburbs - 6K yearly property taxes on a 10 year old, three car garage, 2800SF brick house with a good sized yard. Most of the property taxes go to our public school districts. These taxes are capped once you hit 65. Unlike NYC, we rarely see rats, I think the snakes eat most of them. And we have unbeatable TexMex dining and BBQ.
And Fairbanks! Great town, but a little shy of social amenities. Plenty of public electrical outlets for wintertime parking, though.
Lot of factors in where to live. Althouse’s kids are grown up so she’s not getting the bang for the property tax buck she did when they were in school. And the SALT cap of $10,000 now limits any offsetting of federal income taxes.
If you don’t have kids that’s also pretty high property taxes.
The older I get the more good weather is important. Some people like the change of seasons and are outdoors even in the winter. But given the population redistribution in the US to warmer states, good weather is important to a lot of people.
Cultural tastes vary. Althouse doesn’t have a sense of smell or taste so it’s all Burger King to her except the texture. Most restaurants, bands, theater productions, and pro sports teams suck.
The only pro sports teams in Manhattan are the Knicks and the Rangers. So you can pay $200 for shitty seats to watch shitty basketball or hockey players after eating over-priced shitty Thai food.
"The only pro sports teams in Manhattan are the Knicks and the Rangers. So you can pay $200 for shitty seats to watch shitty basketball or hockey players after eating over-priced shitty Thai food."
Or one can ignore pro sports altogether, (as I do), and enjoy the many other things NYC has to offer. (There's good and reasonably priced Thai food here, too.)
No place benefits from more diversity.
This pernicious lie is slipped in as a sotto voce apology because the writer recognizes that he has said something favorable about a majority-white place. Which will never do.
obert Cook said...
"Why would the place benefit from more diversity? What benefit does more diversity provide?"
- If you have to ask, you'll never understand -
Diversity is helping Sweden become not Sweden.
Japan is probably one of the least diverse first world countries. However, cultural appropriation is very big there.
The US is probably one of the most diverse countries, and cultural appropriation is looked down on.
I notice these 'Best Places to Live' rarely - if ever - include the freakin' weather.
Blogger Shouting Thomas said..."Althouse's residency in Madison is the least interesting thing about her."
Maybe for you.
I moved to NYC from San Francisco. Culture shock. I learned some things quickly.
You can find the shittiest overpriced food in restaurants in NYC. And you can also find the best, reasonably priced restaurants.
In SF, I could count on great food from almost any family owned neighborhood restaurant. Not so in NYC.
You have to be careful where you go in Manhattan. You have to find your spots.
And Yankee Stadium is one subway stop north of Manhattan.
If you’re talking baseball, Chicago is the greatest.
Wrigley is unique. It’s in the middle of a prime residential neighborhood on the near North Side. The blues clubs on Halsted St. are within walking distance.
It’s very exciting to take the El to Wrigley. The crowd gathers all along the way and people are jolly and loud.
The title is is too generic, the rankings are weighted according to a survey done of millennials preferences, and even then much of the methodology is opaque.
Some magazine back in the nineties published a "Best Cities" ranking, with Madison garnering the top spot, and the city actually put up banners hyping that, as if it wasn't bullshit. If anything, trumpeting that bogus win made the city seem like Gooberton.
These rankings are ALWAYS bullshit. Some magazine, website, or whatever, has its own chosen criteria, its own categories of what is supposed to matter to us, and we're supposed to believe the fake news.
"Why would the place benefit from more diversity?"
Because wypipo are icky. Every city gets ranked on their percentage of icky wypipo; the lower the percentage of wypipo, the higher the score.
"What benefit does more diversity provide?"
It benefits the GOOD kind of wypipo by making them feel less icky, as long as they have their safe neighborhoods to hide from their beloved diversity.
I once knew an interracial couple (grayscale type) that was trying to find the ideal place to live, with points for low-crime, and high diversity (of Ray Nagin's shithole city variety), two mutually exclusive criteria.
Good news. No emergency at the border.
If there is - it's Trump's fault.
That's a weird list. San Bernardino CA ? Victorville CA ? Lancaster CA?
I live in San Bernardino, and visit my parents in Victorville every week. Neither should be anywhere near a top 100 places to live list.
UW Madison hot bed of racism:
https://www.thecollegefix.com/campus-memorials-to-progressive-racists-eugenicists-largely-escape-scrutiny/
"Economist John R. Commons, the author of many foundational texts on labor relations, was also an unapologetic racist. In 1907, Commons wrote an entire book dedicated to explaining why blacks are mentally inferior to whites...To this day, economics students at UW-Madison may join the John R. Commons Club, and the social sciences building on campus hosts a John R. Commons room in his honor...Current John R. Commons Club president Rosemary Kaiser told The College Fix via email that she was unaware of any of Commons’ racial beliefs “or even the time period he existed in.” She said she did not think any of the club’s members knew Commons’ history on race.
Only #3 ? I guess with the taxes through the roof, and frozen for a third of the year, an otherwise Flagship University yet college town atmosphere complete with beautiful lakes and a 95% Nordic demographic would be #1.
"It depends, but we pay over $18,000 in property tax alone. That said, we have a big, beautiful house in a fantastic neighborhood, with walk-out interestingness in all directions (including 3 lakes)."
From what I can tell Madison tax rates are not exceptionally high. Your total property tax bill is a function of the rise in your home's value because of that "fantastic neighborhood, with walk-out interestingness in all directions (including 3 lakes)."
But, you already know that.
"It's like that scene in an episode of THE SIMPSONS when Marge discovered there were spices other than Salt and Pepper. She was baffled."
Yes, a joke about how wypipo are clueless and boring, and can't eat that spicy potato salad -- the good kind of stereotyping.
And if you want to stay in livable Madison there's plenty of lower cost housing available that would greatly lower your tax bill while giving you the additional benefit of increased diversity in the neighborhood.
"Yes, a joke about how wypipo are clueless and boring, and can't eat that spicy potato salad -- the good kind of stereotyping.
It's funny 'cuz it's true!
I question any list that puts Boise up near the top. I've been through there a number of times and it is too flat, too treeless and has no character. Nothing against Idaho either, but if I lived in the state I would choose Ketchum, Sandpoint, Coeur d'Alene, Moscow, McCall or even Wallace--before Boise.
Lincoln #9 and Omaha #20. That should be reversed.
The Simpsons are actually yellow, fwiw.
What kind of standards produce those results?
Their methodology describing the new median price cutoff is right up front.
"Even shitholes like Fort Wayne have (or used to before LNC moved out) great little restaurants."
Hey! We lived 16 years in that shithole. My wife and used to joke that Fort Wayne could support exactly three really good restaurants - no more, no less. Every time a fourth such restaurant became established, one of the other three would close.
I question any list that puts Boise up near the top. I've been through there a number of times and it is too flat, too treeless and has no character.
Driving past Boise on the desert freeway is an entirely different experience than driving its lovely tree-lined streets. There’s a reason the French named the spot as they did.
"How did Ann Arbor go from #1 on their 2018 list to not even in the top 100 on their 2019 list? What kind of standards produce those results?"
Looks like it was excluded due to median home value (which Zillow says is now $374K in the city and $286K in the metro area).
"Even shitholes like Fort Wayne have (or used to before LNC moved out) great little restaurants."
The Onion covered the main attractions of Fort Wayne a few years back:
Man Excited To Give Visiting Friends The Real Fort Wayne Experience
https://www.theonion.com/man-excited-to-give-visiting-friends-the-real-fort-wayn-1819576896
"Shouting Thomas said...
It’s very exciting to take the El to Wrigley. The crowd gathers all along the way and people are jolly and loud."
It's awesome. I'm in Milwaukee now but I've always taken and still do the Skokie Swift to where it ends at Howard and hop on the Red Line to Wrigley. It's great going, everyone happy and chatting it up. Fun home whether the Cubbies fly the W or not.
Oops WI new guv may hurt the ratings: "Wisconsin Democrat Gov. Tony Evers announced that illegal aliens would be eligible to receive state-issued identification cards, such as driver’s licenses, if his first budget proposal is approved."
Moving to Dane County with young children is a big mistake. All the neat things to do are easily negated by a school district that only trails Milwaukee's as the worst in the state.
"Driving past Boise on the desert freeway is an entirely different experience than driving its lovely tree-lined streets. There’s a reason the French named the spot as they did."
It is certainly true that driving through on I84 is pretty bleak, but most of the time I was coming down via 55 from the North. Some of the bad impression could just be the contrast between the amazing scenery between Lewiston and about till Eagle.
From the article:
"Next, we craft the rankings. This year, we started with a single question:
What matters most to you when you’re deciding where to live?
That’s what we asked 1,000 millennials across the country in an exclusive survey."
So if you are not in the target group - what does the survey actually mean??
Maybe Boomers can all just go and die now...
Robert Cook said...
Who's talking about hate? I'm talking about uniformity, conformity, lack of variety, deadening sameness of tastes and ideas.
Cooks racism is showing.
To Blaska, Madison is an “American Carnage!”
It's revealing the people who opposed Blaska had much worse to say about the school district than he. Somehow their words are erased from history even as his lesser words are used to create some sort of indictment. Why it's almost like left wingers twist all evidence to support their predetermined point and just ignore anything contradictory.
Controlled for the weather, Madison would fall far down the list. I’m 50 clicks east and the last 40 days have SUCKED. And I have spent a fair portion of that time on the west coast. I’ve been looking at Nashville and Austin. I see the USA Today listed WI as just below IL and CA in state tax burden a day or so ago.
Wrigley is unique. It’s in the middle of a prime residential neighborhood on the near North Side. The blues clubs on Halsted St. are within walking distance.
I grew up in East Rogers Park. We used to take the B train from Howard to Addison (15-20 min.) to the Cubs games.
The weekday games were scarcely attended in the mid-60's. I saw Larry Jackson pitch a no-hitter on a drizzly, cold Monday (If I recall correctly) with about 1,000 people in the stands.
The neighborhood used to be sketchy, but with nice, but dilapidated graystone 3-flats. Now the yuppies have moved in, the greastones have been renovated and the prices have gone way up.
Victorville CA ? Sort of a tonier Bakersfield
roesch/voltaire said...
Yes Madison is a boring place, please don't move here and I would encourage many to consider warmer places to live like ClearWater, Fl.
My wife and I are considering moving there.
Isn't Madison mostly white people?
Speaking of Madison, I read that Ben Sidran has donated a lot of personal material to the UW Memorial Library. I hope he learned from Skitch Hemderson, who did the same and got into big trouble with the IRS for trying to claim a fraudulent deduction for it. Skitch had to go away for a while.
Some of the bad impression could just be the contrast between the amazing scenery between Lewiston and about till Eagle.
I love that drive. Well, maybe from Grangeville to Eagle is the scenery amazing...
Boise is a pretty town. Reasonably priced homes, even on the ridge above the river. The VHA there is a beautiful historical facility even if they do not adequately care for our veterans...
I live in NYC. I find it quaint and amusing to hear people from other places complain of high taxes.......Diversity in NYC is kind of cool. You don't have to travel to see the world. The world kindly comes to visit you. It should be noted that there are many Indian restaurants than BBQ places in my immediate neighborhood, so there are downsides to diversity.........I don't much participate in the cultural life here. Have you seen the prices for even an off Bway show? Culture is hideously overpriced. And don't get me started on how much the massage parlors charge. So much here is over priced........I go to Central Park with fair regularity. It's free. When you walk around the reservoir there, you get a good view of the skyline and you don't feel that you've wasted your life by living here.
These polls say more about the people putting them together -- how they view the good life, mostly. Form what they say they are looking for, it's a younger crowd with an outdoorsy focus with a lesser focus on a smorgasbord of cultural diversions. If you share those priorities, fine. But Madison, Boise and Raleigh don't hold much attraction for me. I've been in NYC for 40+ years, most of that in Brooklyn. My wife and I (neither of us being a NYC native) have thought about where we might live if we ever left NYC. No other place has ever beckoned, although there are lots of places that are nice to visit.
Just one example. This morning we attended a final rehearsal by the Vienna Phil at Carnegie (a free benefit available to subscribers) for tonight's performance of Mahler's 9th. They are quite good, even if they were dressed in jeans rather than the usual tie-and-tails. Good luck finding that in Boise, Madison or Raleigh.
Okay, that list is fucking horrible. Greenville, South Carolina? #10? You got to be fucking kidding me.
I've lived in Raleigh, several years. It was pretty good. But I can name 10 cooler cities without even leaving the South.
1. St. Petersburg, Florida
2. St. Simon's Island, Georgia
3. Charlotte, North Carolina
4. Boone, North Carolina
5. Athens, Georgia
6. Chapel HIll, North Carolina
7. Richmond, Virginia
8. Savannah, Georgia
9. Wilmington, North Carolina
10. Mobile, Alabama
oh shit, I forgot HIlton Head!
The idea that Charlotte is cool—much less cooler than Raleigh—is laughable. Mobile also begs to differ, because they want you all to go to Pensacola and leave them alone.
"Wisconsin Democrat Gov. Tony Evers announced that illegal aliens would be eligible to receive state-issued identification cards, such as driver’s licenses, if his first budget proposal is approved."
Thank goodness Republicans control the legislature in Wisconsin.
There is a theory that issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens will lead to lower rates of hit-and-run fatalities. But data shows a correlation between the highest rates of hit-and-runs with states that issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens, New Mexico being the worst.
One of a plethora of reasons Democrats should never ever be trusted with governmental power.
Illegal aliens don’t by auto insurance.
You cannot get more diverse than Atlanta which is 60% black. Great weather, great air to the entire world, possible to day trip NY, scores of terrific restaurants, mountain biking trails just outside the perimeter, the ability to trout fish in the city limits, an hour and a half from the Appalachian trail, very good symphony orchestra, Silver Comet trail to bike to Alabama, excellent music/hip hop scene, 24 hour urban core.
Oh, and chock full of black people, enough to scare the hell out of 90% of Yankees and 100% of Madisonites. LOL.
I’d rather poke my own eyes out than love in Madison
LIVE , LOL
Raleigh has horrible traffic, is steambath hot in the summer, gets floods from coastal hurricanes, the people are all transients, crazy Marxists or cat-ladies, or Deplorable, and as for architectural heritage , there are tens of thousands of McMansions in the suburbs (looking at you, Cary). Same with Durham and Chapel Hill. Only there’s more crime in Durham, and more homeless and wackos in Chapel Hill.
Stay where you are and make it better. Your friends need you, and you them.
And Fairbanks! Great town, but a little shy of social amenities. Plenty of public electrical outlets for wintertime parking, though.
I wondered about that, too. I remember when women were picketing because the Nordstrom was closing. Anchorage or Homer would be high on my list,.
Is diversity in any part of US meant to refelect the US population or the world population?
The Han Chinese are the largest ethnic group in the world. About 16% of the planet’s population.
Of course, China isn’t diverse. 90% of them are Han Chinese.
Tiger Woods is diverse. A lot of races and ethnicities in his blood.
Is Tiger Woods the ideal? Trump is half-German and half-Scottish. That’s a helluva combination. Some of his grandkids have Jewish blood mixed into that German-Scottish cocktail. Diverse?
When did the Irish, German, Italians, and Polish in the US become white? When they started breeding with each other?
Vast majority of Latinos in the US are Mexican heritage. And the vast majority of Mexicans are Spanish and some Native American Tribe. And the vast majority of Spanish have some Moor/Arab blood in them.
And the US government classifies Arabs as White (one of six federally approved racial classifications)
I think within 25 years we will start a war with China because that country is not diverse. That’s how important diversity is. Maybe we attack Japan first as a warning. Tell the Chinese they have 10 years to start breeding with Blacks and Whites.
"I live in NYC. I find it quaint and amusing to hear people from other places complain of high taxes.......Diversity in NYC is kind of cool. You don't have to travel to see the world. The world kindly comes to visit you. It should be noted that there are many Indian restaurants than BBQ places in my immediate neighborhood, so there are downsides to diversity.........I don't much participate in the cultural life here. Have you seen the prices for even an off Bway show? Culture is hideously overpriced. And don't get me started on how much the massage parlors charge. So much here is over priced........I go to Central Park with fair regularity. It's free. When you walk around the reservoir there, you get a good view of the skyline and you don't feel that you've wasted your life by living here."
LOL LOL IOW, a nice place to visit but you wouldn't want to live there. Look, I love NY but long ago I realized that it didn't pay to live there to enjoy it.
Illegal aliens don’t by auto insurance.
Why would they? It's not like we're going to deport them over it. So the insurance companies charge those who do pay more so Dem constituencies don't have to pay. In other words it's just like education - this is their template.
Baltimore is 64. The writer thinks Babe Ruth played in Camden Yards.
Albuquerque is in at 67. Clearly they ignored crime rates, especially auto thefts. The New Mexican food is fantastic, but there isn't a whole lot more of other good restaurants compared to other cities on the list. The weather is fantastic and outdoor activities are great. My wife and I were born in Albuquerque and moved back after being for gone over 30 years. We live just north of the city in Placitas. 2400 square foot house that is double the value of our old house in S. Illinois, and $1900 in RE taxes - that is almost less than half in taxes. My view of the Sandia Mountains is amazing, and I can boondock in my small RV at several isolated location less than two hours from the house. The work ethic of the locals has gone to sh!t and it is now a democratic run state. Things will get worse - sanctuary cities and now a sanctuary state, much tighter gun control and the highest tax increase in history - with a $1.2 billion surplus - it is not looking good for the future...
"Though the city could benefit from more diversity"....
What? You guys are racist or something?
Though the city could benefit from more diversity
(* Assumes facts not in evidence.)
Wisconsin's most personable governor- Lee Sherman Dreyfus - upset Mayor Paul Soglin in 1978 by declaring “Madison is 30 square miles surrounded by reality,” Soglin didn't disagree with the "reality" part but pointed out that Madison's 250,000 population lived in a 65 mile surround before reality appears.
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