January 25, 2019

Trump's speech just now....


As reported in the NYT (boldface mine):
President Trump agreed Friday to reopen the federal government for three weeks while negotiations proceeded over how to secure the nation’s southwestern border, backing down after a monthlong standoff failed to force Democrats to give him billions of dollars for his long-promised wall.

The decision paved the way for Congress to quickly pass spending bills that Mr. Trump will sign to restore normal operations at a series of federal agencies until Feb. 15 and begin paying again the 800,000 federal workers who have been furloughed or forced to work for free for 35 days....

The surprise announcement was a remarkable comedown for a president who made the wall his nonnegotiable condition for reopening the government. But Mr. Trump relented as the effects of the shutdown rippled across the Northeast, with effects far beyond paychecks, such as air traffic slowing Friday because of a shortage of air traffic controllers, who called in sick...

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narciso said...

If needs must, it shall be done, he tried to work through the last two continuing resolutions, because that was the tactful solution, what did that get him, he has tried to cut the Gordian knot,

tim in vermont said...

It beggars belief that there is a Pope who thinks Christianity is a political ideology, like Islam. "Render unto Caesar" indeed.

HT said...

"This mistake by our Trump hating commenters"

The great majority here are pro Trump loving commenters. I'm not, but many more are, by far. Does everyone have to be in lockstep for you to feel comfortable?

I'm happy the government is re-opened, but everyone who heard the briefing knows this can happen again in three weeks.

stephen cooper said...

A pen, a phone, and a majority of the Supreme Court Justices who are not Republican appointees who were later compromised by the swamp in a historically unprecedented way. Life is complicated!

My best guess, though, is DACA green cards in exchange for 4 billion cash for the engineers at the border.

Well, one day Obama's (the original pen and phone guy's) name will be wiped from every school and street that people are excitedly naming after him in these times, and all his statues will come down, because he vigorously supported an abortion policy that targeted black children at twice and three times the rate of white children, and targeted poor black expectant mothers at ten to a thousand times the rate of white expectant mothers who were as rich as Obama.

Did you ever make that objection to President Pen and Phone's style of rule?

bagoh20 said...

"Personally it doesn’t matter to me if we get 0, or 100, or 1000 miles of wall in discrete locations, as long as Trump is denied the opportunity to claim a victory. "

Ahh, look who dropped their diaper.

Bay Area Guy said...

@JML,

"I have to say, those of you gloating over this are fools. And those of you in the dumps over it are too. Life goes on."

You are darn wise for a Bama fan:) (just kidding!)

I'm pretty much where you are. To me, America is a great country, because of the 3 Cs: Capitalism, Christianity and the Constitution (not necessarily in that order).

But after defeating the Soviet Union in an epic 45-year struggle for the hearts and minds of the world, we are stuck with a large segment of Leftists in the USA, now fully in charge of a major party, who seek the gradual destruction of America. They want us all to be atheist, bisexual, socialist, globalist, Beta Males, with IPhones. And there's a substantial segment of enablers in the other major party, who buy the globalist line.

To his eternal credit, Trump has resisted this mass movement. The Left ain't coming solely for him; they're coming for us.

Let's resist and see how it plays out. No gloating on the fleeting victories, no sorrowful lamentation on the intermittent losses.

Unknown said...

Chuck, exactly in the fashion of his namesake in the series Better Call Saul, chooses to burn his own house down and die in it, rather than admit he is delusional and vindictive.

bagoh20 said...

" "This mistake by our Trump hating commenters"

"Does everyone have to be in lockstep for you to feel comfortable?

I'm happy the government is re-opened, but everyone who heard the briefing knows this can happen again in three weeks."


My point was that everyone here clearly does not get that. If people stopped making the same mistakes of prediction we keep seeing here, I think it would make them more comfortable - not me. Hope is not data.

Robert Cook said...

"We tried hope and change with Obama, but he was to easily co-opted by the us against them forces."

No, Obama wasn't co-opted by "us against them forces," but by corporate and financial forces. And he wasn't co-opted, he was aligned with them and eager to help them from the very beginning. Obama conned his supporters, (and many of his haters) a vast multitude of marks. So credulous, many of them still believe the con and don't know they were took.

bagoh20 said...

After Trump is gone, who you gonna hate? Few can give up addiction that powerful, so where do you get your next fix?

Robert Cook said...

"It beggars belief that there is a Pope who thinks Christianity is a political ideology...."

Well, of course it is. You don't think he was crucified for nothing, do you?

Chuck said...

Big Mike said...
“Personally it doesn’t matter to me if we get 0, or 100, or 1000 miles of wall in discrete locations, as long as Trump is denied the opportunity to claim a victory.”

I never thought that I would see such a plain statement of disinterest in what is best for the citizens of the United States.


Read my comment at 3:11 pm.

And I’ll await your apology.

Robert Cook said...

"I never thought that I would see such a plain statement of disinterest in what is best for the citizens of the United States."

What is "best" for the citizens of the United States is in great dispute, depending on who you ask. A majority of citizens think there are far more pressing issues than the non-emergency of illegal border crossings, (in decline or holding steady for many years--not increasing, not a significant source of great criminal danger to the citizens of the United States).

bagoh20 said...

It maybe a surrender from Trump, but isn't that what MOST people wanted - someone to compromise? Of course Trump was the only one willing to make any concessions the whole time, or even stay in the job to do it, but now it is clearer than ever who solved the impasse.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck is fully on-board with open borders.

Any arguments to the contrary are simply his way of attempting to maintain his
online persona and facade of a conservative when in fact, he has clearly stated that he is here to lie, which advances the interests of the democrats.

Of course, LLR Chuck regrets that moment of extraordinary candor when he dropped the mask.

It negatively impacts his pro-dem 5th Column tactics designed to return dems to power.

WintersTale said...

"Trump took the high road!"

The things you tell yourselves. If it helps the medicine go down - go for it.

bagoh20 said...

" A majority of citizens think there are far more pressing issues than the non-emergency of illegal border crossings..."

OK, so what problem can the government solve with $5.7 billion. Wait, let me make it easier: What problem can the government solve, period?

JackWayne said...

Your answer is non-responsive. The facts are simple: there is no bill that was submitted to the Senate. There was no veto. Trump caved to a non-existent threat. How do you justify that? You answer by implying that he will go banana republic and declare an emergency. How is this any different from Obama or nation-building Bush? If we are to be a constitutional republic then the constitution must be followed else we are undone.

Sprezzatura said...

It's not logical to place this hardship on all these folks for this long, and to rack up the extra cost associated w/ going back and paying those folks who were not called back to work for free, and the cost of start/stop/fix/repair re this disturbance, but then capitulate and say "golly, that offer you gave me more than a month ago sounds good to me."

Logic is tricky.

pacwest said...

"And he wasn't co-opted, he was aligned with them and eager to help them from the very beginning."

I wasn't talking policy, but rather ideology. Obama did what the pols in power told him to do. ("This is a BFD") They were co-opted a long time ago by the forces you mention. He wasn't aligned with them in the beginning imo. Black theology isn't really in alignment with corporations or banks. Other than the race baiters he had no personal allegiance I could discern.

mccullough said...

The people most affected by illegal immigration don’t have political power.


The LA School system sucks. It’s majority illegal alien kids who aren’t bright. We are educating them to be manual laborers because that’s mwhat most of them can do.

As automation comes and they are laid off it will be interesting to see what happens to them. I don’t think they are just going to sit back and take it mike blacks did.

WintersTale said...

"We're seeing a 1500% spike on 'cave' this evening."
Merriam-Webster online

narciso said...

There's one in the House, tell me your solution Jack Wayne.

WintersTale said...

"Dozens of rank-and-file Democrats have reached out to the Administration and signaled they are willing to provide wall funding if the Government reopens."
White House statement

They're such liars. That's what they do and they lie about things everyone knows they are lying about. All politicians lie but not everyday, and not with the obvious contempt for their audience that this White House has.

You wonder why Trump had to take a kick in the nuts today? Really? WTF did you expect?

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...


“I'd assume Trump is doing battle space preparation for the wall.”

Late to the game and I’m not going to read all the comments but anyone who thinks Trump simply folded has been sound asleep for the past three years. Three weeks until the sucker punch lands.

glenn said...

He’s decided not to run again because it’s just not worth the hassles, he going to fire Mueller and his team, he’s .... he’s .... slap, slap.

readering said...

Lou Dobbs:

“You know I’m an animated, energetic supporter of this president. But you’ve got to call it as it is. This president said it was going to be conditional border security, building that wall, and he just reversed himself. That’s a victory for Nancy Pelosi. It will be perceived as such on every television monitor and screen in the country. And to deny it is to try to escape from reality. And that we ain’t going to do here.”

Sprezzatura said...

"You wonder why Trump had to take a kick in the nuts today? Really? WTF did you expect?"

If the eventual result was always expected by you, why did it require DJT blowing a bunch of gov dough that will be spent above and beyond the norm re correcting re resetting re the last month+ mess?

Presumably you have many tens of billions re net worth, rather than only the ten that DJT claims to have amassed after starting w/ only a million dollar loan that was repaid with interest.

Math is tricky.

stephen cooper said...

My answer was responsive, I think, Jack, try and be a little more understanding.

Let me put it this way.

With the exception of Trump, not a single president since 1996 - the year I was first eligible to be president - has been minimally competent. So I am happy with his record. Just as you would be if 1996 were the first year you were eligible to be president.

We all know that Clinton and Bush and Obama (1996-2000, 2000-2008, and 2008-2016) will all be looked on by history as a collection (if - and that is a big if - they are even remembered by history) of doofuses, puppets, and cocaine-addled servants of the deep state.

Sure Trump has made mistakes. He chose soy-boy Pence when he could have chosen a politician with real convictions and a real record of conscientious decisions.

He appointed the unreliable frat-boy Anthony Kennedy acolyte Kavanaugh when there were 20 or 30 clearly better and more reliable candidates. That was Trump's low IQ at work.

He screwed up several cabinet appointments - about four or five - because he was too immature, even at 70 years old, to understand that anyone who got promoted to be a 4 star general under Obama was by definition a weak horse.

So I will not argue with your detailed criticism of his Border Wall actions: although I disagree with you, who knows who is right? Neither of us are omniscient.

But I will say this. For every big mistake Trump has made ... (Kavanaugh the Anthony Kennedy stooge, the appointment of phony-tough Obama four stars, all of whom eventually turned on Trump in their Obama-like second-rate way, and his choice of soy-boy Pence - not to mention letting Sessions skate with lying to him about his qualifications) .... for every mistake Trump has made, he has done things that I could not have done. He fixed the almost unsolvable North Korea problem, at least temporarily. He kept bad people from crashing the economy, and he did some good trade deals. And he called out clearly evil people - or people saying evil things - as the evil people, or as the people saying evil things, that they were.

So I trust him on this one.


And he is pro-life. And for that, History will remember him well, when the Obamas and the Bushes and the Clintons are just as forgotten as the Buchanans and the Clays and the Douglases of their long-ago day are now forgotten.

Was that unresponsive, my thoughtful friend?

WintersTale said...

One thing for sure, if Trump had won he'd be using the same tactic every chance he got. The victory for Dems was worth every penny. I respect that things can suddenly happen, my own predictions have gone terribly wrong before, no one can read what our fate will be. Even so I bet he's done. Stick a fork in him, he's had it. Repubs don't want him, Dems don't want him, the American people don't want him. Only his ever-shrinking base can stand the sight of him anymore.

narciso said...

Um with respect no, Stephen cooper, who better than Mike pence realistically, I wanted amy barrett but she couldn't get past that possum Senate, this why the sandmann Kafka trial.

Sprezzatura said...

"Three weeks until the sucker punch lands."

Is this claim based on actual data re DJT's historic track record?

IOW, has there always been a three week delay before the exterior signage was taken down and a DJT business went bankrupt? This assumes that the removal of signage re bankruptcy is the best analogy re DJT losing at politics. Assuming that, what is it that will happen in three weeks that is the equivalent of the signs coming down for a business? DJT lets that fat missile psycho have nukes?

I dunno

WintersTale said...

If the eventual result was always expected by you, why did it require DJT blowing a bunch of gov dough that will be spent above and beyond the norm re correcting re resetting re the last month+ mess?

He's responsible for the lost money and wages, the entire mess of the last month. Tonight he settled for exactly what he could have settled for 35 days ago. Instead, we all know what the dems got, and we all know what Trump got.

stephen cooper said...

narciso - something about the guy reminds me of people I know in real life who are not reliable.

nothing you would pick up on without my specific experience of people who pretend to be tough and who are not. maybe I am wrong but I have met dozens of soy boys like him who eventually were not, when they should have been, at the side of people who needed them in a time of crisis.

I hope that as the years go by he learns to be a man and to be brave from his association with Trump.

Let me put it this way ----- I would give all my retirement savings to him if a younger version of him wanted to marry my daughter, if only he (the younger version, obviously the older version is married already and would not want to marry my daughter) would just go away.

Anyway, thanks for the "with respect" line, I don't get that much. People don't usually like the bitter but useful drill sergeants of this world enough to say "with respect".

stephen cooper said...

and yes I know you said Pence when you wanted to say Kavanaugh

you see even you can't say his name with virtue and probity in your heart

Sprezzatura said...

More than a month of pay for a bunch of folks that did nothing. And, all the cost associated w/ the start/stop inefficiency. And the cost of stuff that went wrong w/o folks around (like the hicks around one of my places who were trashing the parks w/ quads/chainsaws/partying).

Plus, a lot of personal suffering/anxiety is bad too, though it doesn't show up on a ledger.

All of this taxpayer money (incl future taxpayers (w/ interest), since the gov dough includes borrowing around a trillion a year) could have been put in a big pile and torched.

HT said...

When does he sign?

Chuck said...

You guys don’t get it. This wasn’t a strategic compromise. Trump was in a corner with no way out. And now the compromises have just begun. Trump will get some modest amount of funding for some perfectly sensible sections of wall at various places. Just as other Congresses have done.

But to get it (and save himself from an utter fiasco) Trump will have to give up something awful; DACA, amnesty, you name it. The Democrats might as well just fill out a wish list. Whatever they want now, Trump will have to yield. Just to be able to make a phony claim that he is building a wall.

narciso said...

No I say who I mean, who realistically would have been a better choice, I understand about coalition govt.

Yes trump has wanted to run since the late 80s, some themes on trade and defense have been continuous since then.

Unknown said...

Now privatize all airport security.

Sprezzatura said...

"Now privatize all airport security."

According to the thing Althouse highlighted, it was the air traffic controllers who were the final push.

IOW, even Ron's solution doesn't work.

Automation would be more reliable.

narciso said...

But he didnt feel confident enough In 99 and then 2012,

Chuck said...

Drudge front page right now is a keeper.

“WALLED IN”

pacwest said...

Compromise = cave by what definition? Trump believes the Dems will follow through on their promise to honestly debate and then solve the huge immigration problem we have in front of us. Charitably that makes him naive. Harshly that makes him an idiot. These people are not operating in good faith. Personally I think he just made the biggest mistake of his Presidency so far. We'll see. The wall alone is not the biggest part of a fix to our present very costly immigration policy, but it is what he hung his hat on.

FullMoon said...

Dems better calm down.
Don't forget, Trump has the codes !

Sprezzatura said...

"Drudge front page right now is a keeper.

“WALLED IN”"

Wrong.

Proper Drudgeaposition requires a lot more than two words.


magamamma said...

Tweets, current page. Tweets & replies Media

Donald J. Trump

Verified account

@realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago
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I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. This was in no way a concession. It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races!

Big Mike said...

A majority of citizens think there are far more pressing issues than the non-emergency of illegal border crossings, (in decline or holding steady for many years--not increasing, not a significant source of great criminal danger to the citizens of the United States).

Well Cookie, I suppose that depends on whether or not you're a person who lost his job to an illegal immigrant, or whether you've found someone to mow your one acre lawn for $35 and are hoping to find someone desperate enough to do it for $20, or even $25.

WintersTale said...

Trump has the codes !

No kidding. I lean toward the theory that trump doesn't really care if he loses - at least not as much as he cares about making his opponent lose. Dems better watch themselves.

And then to make your own people suffer when you lose is not unheard of among unstable leaders. I'm glad he lost but I'm not jubilant. He's worrisome.

Big Mike said...

@Chuck, please hold your breath waiting for my apology.

Chuck said...

It was Trumpy trash talk like that, that got him into today’s mess.

Sprezzatura said...

"It was taking care of millions of people who were getting badly hurt by the Shutdown with the understanding that in 21 days, if no deal is done, it’s off to the races!"

If taking care of millions of hurt folks is important now, why will they be less important in twenty one days? And, if hurting them in twenty one days will be OK, why isn't it now?

Earnest Prole said...

This was in no way a concession.

I move for no man.

It’s just a flesh wound..

We’ll call it a draw.

stephen cooper said...

narciso ----- In the long run, bad Supreme Court Justices would have always seen their legacy turn to dust, had they lived long enough, just by the natural course of events, that course of events which includes the instinctual distaste that the human race always has for the unjust among their ancestors.

And we have not had many good Supreme Court Justices, so it is hard to generalize on what the legacy of the good ones might have been. And among the good ones, none of those in the past rose above being good in anything more than a second rate way.

You know that, I know that, everybody knows that.

Even the saints who have been raised to the altars of our more honest churches were often surly, proud, tired, lazy, and much too talkative without a lot to say. Their moments where they fully accepted Jesus in their heart were great moments, of course, for them and for those whom they were saints to, either before or after that moment, but we all know that lots of saints spent most of their lives being fairly useless companions to those they lived with and among. You know that, I know that, everybody knows that.

And Pence was the wrong choice, and so was Kavanaugh, I am too kind-hearted to go into all the details.

Well, to wind up ..... It is bad enough that I have unfavorably compared elite lawyers to elite saints, that was almost unkind on my part (not to the lawyers or to the saints but to you who are reading this - but I say almost unkind, not unkind....) One takes risks for the truth and the truth is this:

"if you do not intend to ...." .... well, let me quote someone else rather than finish that sentence ..... "la seule tragedie, Madame, est de ne pas devinir sainte"
Bloy said that, or Bernanos, or Undset, or Jane Austen, who cares.


magamamma said...

Sarah Sanders

@PressSec
In 21 days President @realDonaldTrump is moving forward building the wall with or without the Democrats. The only outstanding question is whether the Democrats want something or nothing

HT said...

Newt Gingrich looks more like that guy from the CBS sunday morning show than he does Newt Gingrich.

magamamma said...

Sarah Sanders

@PressSec
In 21 days President @realDonaldTrump is moving forward building the wall with or without the Democrats. The only outstanding question is whether the Democrats want something or nothing

narciso said...

Well among the philosopher kings we had Scalia who irreplaceable, Thomas who is very eloquent and Alito who is respectable Gorsuch is fairly effective on balance. But you're right a taney a Warren are a danger.

FullMoon said...

Keep pushing, Dems

In just seven weeks, a man known for being ill-tempered, thin-skinned, narcissistic, and erratic will take control of the US nuclear arsenal. Donald Trump will have the authority and power to launch any combination of the country’s 4,500 nuclear weapons. At any time and for any reason he deems fit, Trump could destroy a nation and, through miscalculation, the world.

During the presidential campaign, he uttered several troubling statements about nuclear arms. At a Republican primary debate, he botched a question about the nuclear triad—America’s system of sea-, air-, and land-based nuclear weapons—suggesting he did not understand the most basic information about the structure of the US nuclear command. (He babbled, “For me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.”) At other points in the campaign, Trump noted he would support allowing Japan, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia to obtain nuclear weapons and indicated he would be open to using such weapons against ISIS and in other conflicts.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/12/donald-trump-nuclear-war-weapons-inevitable/

FullMoon said...

Better be careful.

Hillary Clinton tells a London audience she's worried that President Donald Trump could in 'a moment of pique' launch a nuclear missile.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-trump-nuclear-weapons-2017-10

narciso said...

Robert scheer, Maoist fanboi said much the same thing in 1982, that's what the KGB told talbott around the same time.

FullMoon said...

Democratic governor: ‘Unstable’ Trump could start nuclear war

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article189625554.html

Chuck said...

linda thompson said...
Sarah Sanders

@PressSec
In 21 days President @realDonaldTrump is moving forward building the wall with or without the Democrats. The only outstanding question is whether the Democrats want something or nothing



So instead of just pissing off the Democrats, Trump now aims to piss off every federal employee, 75% of the American public, most of the Republican Conference in the US Senate, Ann Coulter and the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board.

FullMoon said...

President Donald Trump poses a significant threat of nuclear war and is increasingly dangerous, according to leading psychologists who are stepping forward to warn Americans

https://www.newsweek.com/president-trump-unstable-danger-nuclear-war-psychologists-warn-685029

Sprezzatura said...

"So instead of just pissing off the Democrats, Trump now aims to piss off every federal employee, 75% of the American public, most of the Republican Conference in the US Senate, Ann Coulter and the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board."

But, will keep several handfuls of lawyers employed.

So that's good news!

FullMoon said...

Do not pay any attention to Chuck. He predicted Hillary landslide

Chuck said:
My point, and my question to all of the Trump fans is this: Trump as the Republican nominee will result in Hillary Clinton winning the Presidency of the United States and holding that office until Justice Scalia is 85 years old. Hillary could nominate replacements for Ginsburg, Breyer, and one or two Republicans. We could end her term with a Supreme Court comprised of six young liberals who might serve for 25 years.

pacwest said...

"If taking care of millions of hurt folks is important now, why will they be less important in twenty one days? And, if hurting them in twenty one days will be OK, why isn't it now?"

Note that he didn't threaten with a future shutdown. I do agree that shutdowns shouldn't be used to negotiate with. I'm assuming he is talking about building the wall under some sort of emergency order next time, if the Dem's follow previous pattern.

Look up FAIR's estimate of what our illegals problem is costing us. Use CATO's rebuttal for a lower figure if you like. These are just the financial costs. The civil costs are just as high imo, although studies on that are rarer, and less clear.

If you are really worried about trillion dollar deficits, or are looking for money better spent for social welfare programs, immigration reform is low hanging fruit. It is beyond my comprehension why all American citizens aren't on board with this.

narciso said...

Your concern is noted, so when it was discovered back in 2013, that North Korea had miniaturized warheads and the boosters to carry them. What was the response?

stephen cooper said...

Bloy also said that among the greatest sins were the sins of omission, the sins of not loving, and that nobody accuses oneself of such sins!

Ah, poor Bloy, I am happy for him that he does not know what I know: that he is wrong.
Everyone suffers from their sins of omissions, and they all accuse themselves of it, it is what they do after they realize that is important ...... How nice to be Bloy and to be unaware of the sufferings of others!
If he had many children he would not have said that, if he had love in his heart not just for the first woman he loved but for the second choice the third choice and eventually the fourth or fifth choice of his heart, because the earlier choices were not meant for him ....
if he were a man who had lived a real life of suffering and loss he would not have said that, but he was just a poet.

I don't worry at all about the twin geniuses Alito and Thomas, and not all that much about Gorsuch either (I assume he will soon leave behind his Scalia fan-boy shtick), but I worry about the eternal souls of all of them, they have some serious temptations, and most of them seem unprepared to do the right thing every time.

narciso said...

Well I cant judge their souls, as for Gorsuch he saw the ordeal his mother underwent so she could be the punchline in an Anne Richard's stemwinder (the mother of the ghoul cecile), I guess that's a little judging.

Sprezzatura said...

pac,

Maybe you could do some figurin' re the costs re the unwanted tens of millions of kids, that aren't here, but could be re the Narc/Coop-erative. Seems that that'd be a better fit for this portion of the thread. Based on word count.

JackWayne said...

Stephen, the bottom line is that Trump is better at rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic better than any President since Coolidge. But does it really matter? His deficits are as bad as Obama or Bush. The problem I have is simple - there is a constitutional way that may be politically naive and a sure loser. But once a country turns away from a Constitution, the endgame is in play. Trump has abandoned the constitutional way. You seem to be OK with that. I am not. I don’t see any path forward on the wall for Trump except to use a pen and phone. I was against it with Obama and I’m against it now.

Leland said...

Three weeks will go by before you know it. Chop chop.

pacwest said...

"In 21 days President @realDonaldTrump is moving forward building the wall with or without the Democrats. The only outstanding question is whether the Democrats want something or nothing."

Fool me once.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck appears mortified that Trump will move forward under emergency powers to add to the border wall.

The far left is also worried about that.

Hmmmmmmm.....

narciso said...

Dont worry they'll drag up a judge to challenge it till 2020, is that your concern?

BJM said...

We'll see.

FIDO said...

Huh.

I was wondering what was happening, but now, thanks to Molly, I think I sorted it out.

Trump only reopened the government to give the SOTU speech. And it will be a clock winder of a speech and a PR disaster for the Dems, unless, like Chuck, you are immune to fairness, justice, compassion and only wean on hate.

Trump offered this, that and the other. Pelosi didn't.

Trump respected traditions. Pelosi didn't.

Trump made sure nice people got their Section 8 and Welfare checks. Pelosi was just fine at not giving them their hand outs...for Mexicans. ILLEGAL Mexicans.

Unless Trump totally concedes, this is not going to go the way Schumer and Pelosi think it is.

Chuck said...


Blogger anti-de Sitter space said...
"So instead of just pissing off the Democrats, Trump now aims to piss off every federal employee, 75% of the American public, most of the Republican Conference in the US Senate, Ann Coulter and the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board."

But, will keep several handfuls of lawyers employed.

So that's good news!


The lawyers for Trump will either lose, or they will create insanely bad Executive Branch precedent. Setting up the possibility of an “emergency” whenever a president (President Hypothetical J. Democrat) wants one. So get ready for the climate change emergency. The student loan repayment emergency. The poverty emergency. The micro aggression emergency. With appropriate emergency Executive Action.

pacwest said...

anti, I couldn't understand the purpose of your statement. I'll just consider it an insult and we're good.

Sprezzatura said...

"The lawyers for Trump will....."


Don't forget about the lawyers not for Trump. Lots of lawyering work!

I think folks are starting to know what it means to be sick of winning...sick of lawyers winning.

Crazy World said...

President Trump will keep on Trumping and the haters will keep on hating, what a wonderful world. 3 weeks

Fen said...

"To have the Army Corps of Engineers build the wall is a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids the armed forces to carry out civilian functions."

Please Google "Army Corps of Engineers" and learn about all the things they have built, like the levees on the Missippi River.

As for Cuck, he is the type to trash talk, but the day President Trump calls a National Emergency to fund and build the wall, Cuck won't even have the decency to show his face.

It's really poor character. Sad really. Imagine what it must be like for him when he looks back at himself in the mirror.

Fen said...

Cuck: You guys don’t get it. This wasn’t a strategic compromise"

Trump just took Pelosi's only weapon away from her - the "poor" federal employees will get their 3 week paid vacation.

And now the clock is running out for the Dems. They need to strike a deal before Trumps goes ahead witbout them and they get nothing.

You really shouldn't be allowed to use the word strategic.

How about a bet? Trump gets his wall, you leave Althouse forever. He doesn't, and I leave Althouse forever. Deal?

Drago said...

Dick Durbin cuckholster Trump: "The lawyers for Trump will either lose, or they will create insanely bad Executive Branch precedent."

LOL

Obam literally legislated DACA out of thin air and LLR Chuck called obama "magnificent"!!

The dems went Full East Germany-Stasi on a republican Presidential candidate..and LLR Chuck cheers them on.

The dems weaponized the IRS against conservative grass roots groups, and LLR Chuck laughed and laughed about it.

The dens have instituted massive vote fraud operations across the country and LLR Chuck cheered their results.

LLR Chuck vigorously defends the honor of his beloved Stolen Valor lying hack dems.

Its very very clear where LLR Chuck stands..

BUMBLE BEE said...

What benefits America with this open door insanity? Did the world view change about America being THE GREAT SATAN? I've watched the videos of ATTAH and his hijackers walking unopposed through Logan airport. That was a wise move to not check on them in dept. Letting these people flood America with opioids packed across a border is not adult behavior either. Trump can honestly say he tried to stem the tide. Chuck's ilk can only say Pelosi beat Trump up on this one. It is America you assholes! What future lies ahead for the children. Leftists terar down, they don't build.

Chuck said...


Blogger Fen said...
Cuck: You guys don’t get it. This wasn’t a strategic compromise"

Trump just took Pelosi's only weapon away from her - the "poor" federal employees will get their 3 week paid vacation.

And now the clock is running out for the Dems. They need to strike a deal before Trumps goes ahead witbout them and they get nothing.

You really shouldn't be allowed to use the word strategic.

How about a bet? Trump gets his wall, you leave Althouse forever. He doesn't, and I leave Althouse forever. Deal?


I might be interested in that. But first define “Trump’s wall.” Trump himself has begun to define it down to very little. I no longer have any idea what Trump’s wall looks like, or where it might be placed or how many miles of wall Trump has in mind.

I wouldn’t ever want a wager if mine to be defined by whatever Trump might want it to mean at whatever moment it suited him. I said previously that I think that Trump might succeed in getting some Congressional funding for some minimal section of wall, doing it at terrible cost to Republicans on some issues like DACA or amnesty. I would love that wager, but I don’t know how to make terms tight enough.

Chuck said...

Blogger Drago said...
Dick Durbin cuckholster Trump: "The lawyers for Trump will either lose, or they will create insanely bad Executive Branch precedent."

LOL

Obam literally legislated DACA out of thin air and LLR Chuck called obama "magnificent"!!

The dems went Full East Germany-Stasi on a republican Presidential candidate..and LLR Chuck cheers them on.

The dems weaponized the IRS against conservative grass roots groups, and LLR Chuck laughed and laughed about it.

The dens have instituted massive vote fraud operations across the country and LLR Chuck cheered their results.

LLR Chuck vigorously defends the honor of his beloved Stolen Valor lying hack dems.

Its very very clear where LLR Chuck stands



Not one word of that is true; if you had any quotes from me to back yourself up, you would have deployed them. You’ve got nothing. You lying, low-grade obsessive troll.

Phil 314 said...

I know this thread is waning but a few comments:

- Trump won’t get shit from the Dems
- C’mon y’all, admit it, Trump blinked. This is not a game he’s skilled at.
- Picking on Chuck (yes he’s gloating) is sad.
- it was Friday night last night. Why were you spending the evening bitching about the Trump shutdown. Some of you said you didn’t feel the effects of the shutdown. This 200+ comment thread says otherwise.

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