Althouse: Ironically, it's sexist to think there is something wrong with a dress.

November 30, 2018

Ironically, it's sexist to think there is something wrong with a dress.

42 comments:

Shouting Thomas said...: Painting clever pictures is a hell of a lot easier than learning to write competent code.

There's your explanation about the question of women in tech.; 11/30/18, 11:17 AM
tcrosse said...: It's no true Scotsman.; 11/30/18, 11:25 AM
Ralph L said...: She needs to move the paper more to her right, though she's a better looking young man than I was.; 11/30/18, 11:28 AM
Lucid-Ideas said...: According to that video, it was "never a woman" either.; 11/30/18, 11:30 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: Painting clever pictures is a hell of a lot easier than learning to write competent code.

"Collaborative platforms" is the tell. That generally means somebody else does the coding, but I get credit because I was on the "team."; 11/30/18, 11:43 AM
stevew said...: First world problem solved!; 11/30/18, 11:44 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: I remember seeing an article a couple of years ago. A woman in tech, who had been in the field for decades, and was a good coder, noted that most of the new women in tech, who couldn't code, despised her. She was "part of the problem." The problem being that they wanted to work in a field that they lacked the talent for.; 11/30/18, 11:49 AM
Shouting Thomas said...: If you think the software biz is glamorous and good for your self-esteem, you haven't been reading Dilbert.

My self-esteem soared on the day my clients/employers completed the direct deposit of my bi-weekly paycheck.; 11/30/18, 11:52 AM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: I've worked with plenty of competent women in tech. I've never seen any of them try to argue that all women are superheros and we must view them as such, or act like loons on stage at a conference. Mostly they just did their jobs, competently.; 11/30/18, 11:53 AM
rehajm said...: It's no true Scotsman.

That symbol could definitely be on the door for the laddies room.; 11/30/18, 11:55 AM
Shouting Thomas said...: Most of the competent female programmers I worked with were Indian.

Instead of creating in-your-face Powerpoints, they obviously studied their C++ like fiends.; 11/30/18, 11:58 AM
Shouting Thomas said...: Most of the great female Indian coders I worked with were living in a way an in-your-face American feminist would loathe.

The Indian ladies were in the U.S. on H-1B visas. Their extended family had purchased a 4 or 5 bedroom house in Jersey City. The family kept sending new members to the U.S. as the visas timed out.

So, the Indian women lived in a rented room in a huge house with a shared kitchen in a gloomy, totally non-glamorous neighborhood in Jersey City. I suspect they sent most of their salaries home.

I think most of these women were quite obedient to the demands of their extended families. At least two that I knew were planning to go home at the expiration of their visas to celebrate an arranged marriage.; 11/30/18, 12:16 PM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: If you think the software biz is glamorous and good for your self-esteem, you haven't been reading Dilbert.

I'm currently in the job market. At most of the interviews, or even in the application itself, I'm asked if I'll be willing to be on call. I haven't had a job in over 25 years that didn't involve being on call. Sometimes with a response time of 10 minutes. My employer paid for an 2nd phone line and my Internet access (back when you still had to use a modem) for years so I could respond to issues from my house and wouldn't have to drive in to work. The software biz is high-stress and unforgiving of error. Its being up all night, and still having to work the next day. Its going to meetings where its going to be decided who is responsible for the outage that the client claims cost them $500,000.; 11/30/18, 12:20 PM
Henry said...: They should reach out to They Might Be Giants for a better theme song: Everyone looks naked when you know the world's address.; 11/30/18, 12:22 PM
Jay Vogt said...: Althouse says . . . ."Ironically, it's sexist to think there is something wrong with a dress."

I think you mean "coincidently"; 11/30/18, 12:23 PM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: I also get asked about my home lab setup on occasion. Its assumed that you have some sort of computer lab setup you use to learn new things. Who would want to work with someone who isn't playing with computers in his free time?; 11/30/18, 12:25 PM
Shouting Thomas said...: @Ron

One of the reasons I preferred to work as a contractor, rather than as an employee, was that I could write off the thousands of dollars of computer gear that I had to buy to keep current and to be able to take my work home.; 11/30/18, 12:27 PM
Rosalyn C. said...: I don't see how Indian women in tech who submit to gender roles is an argument against women who want to be free of gender stereotypes.; 11/30/18, 12:35 PM
Darrell said...: Women need their own planet.; 11/30/18, 12:36 PM
richlb said...: What the hell is that "woman" to her right doing? Dancing and clapping? What if I'm triggered by that?; 11/30/18, 12:36 PM
Shouting Thomas said...: @R.J. Chatt

It isn't.

But the dutiful and traditional are better equipped to discipline themselves to learn the skills.

Being free of gender stereotypes is a luxury for the spoiled.; 11/30/18, 12:37 PM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: One of the reasons I preferred to work as a contractor, rather than as an employee, was that I could write off the thousands of dollars of computer gear that I had to buy to keep current and to be able to take my work home.

I don't write it off, but we take it as a business expense. You can deduct stuff that you buy to keep current in your field.; 11/30/18, 12:37 PM
Darrell said...: If men made the same presentation as depicted in that video, they'd be fired on the spot.; 11/30/18, 12:38 PM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: Dancing and clapping? What if I'm triggered by that?

Exactly. She be using "jazz hands." And I'm pretty sure that dancing is ableist.; 11/30/18, 12:40 PM
Shouting Thomas said...: I've been retired for 6 years.

Back when I was working, I thought that any U.S. woman who did the difficult work to become a tech wizard was a damned fool.

There were so many better paying, easier jobs available via the quota system, like management and HR. Women in those positions attend a lot of meetings, go out to lunch almost every day, and wear fashionable outfits.

You'd have to be a damned fool, or so I thought, to slave away in the back room for less money and less glamour.

Plus, as a manager or HR dragoon, you get to lecture and threaten people. A big plus for the feminist indoctrinated in-your-face girls.; 11/30/18, 12:44 PM
richlb said...: @ Shouting Thomas

"Plus, as a manager or HR dragoon, you get to lecture and threaten people. A big plus for the feminist indoctrinated in-your-face girls."

The SJW have made it clear that lecturing and threatening people isn't just for HR anymore.; 11/30/18, 12:47 PM
Jupiter said...: Darrell said...
"Women need their own planet."

Unfortunately, they seem to have found one they like.; 11/30/18, 12:53 PM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: If men made the same presentation as depicted in that video, they'd be fired on the spot.

They're getting paid to come up with this ridiculous idea, which means they aren't doing much actual coding, so somebody is having to work overtime coding the front and back end in order to make the milestones. Of course, that was going to happen anyway. Cause something tells me that the two women on stage probably don't know what C++ is.; 11/30/18, 1:05 PM
Original Mike said...: Blogger richlb said..."What the hell is that "woman" to her right doing? What if I'm triggered by that?"

That's the stuff of nightmares. Bizarre.; 11/30/18, 1:36 PM
AZ Bob said...: Here is what I heard the woman announce in the video:

"What if women had wings, wore capes and saved the day. Who will be technology's Rosa Parks, disrupting public spaces and creating new ways to collaborate across platforms? So put on your cape and show the world your tech super, super power because if we see women differently, we see the world differently."

She said "disrupting public spaces" as if it was a good thing.; 11/30/18, 2:02 PM
JML said...: The first thing that popped into my head when they first showed the woman who did this was, that looks more like a guy. Transgendered? No boobs. Another project that sucked time and profits away from the company, passed on in higher costs to the customer.; 11/30/18, 2:02 PM
Ron Winkleheimer said...: What if women had wings, wore capes and saved the day.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly without an airplane?!; 11/30/18, 2:05 PM
BUMBLE BEE said...: As the Firesigners are wont to say, "What if Napoleon had B-52s at Waterloo?".; 11/30/18, 2:25 PM
richlb said...: @Ron Winkleheimer

"What if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly without an airplane?!"

You thinking of Amelia Earheart?; 11/30/18, 2:28 PM
Temujin said...: It's working. It's shifting my perception of women. From intelligent partners in this life to foolish children who need to be handled with care or avoided altogether.

This is foolishness. If I see one of these on a bathroom door I'm going to change into my Superman costume (which I bring with me at all times- of course) and walk in.; 11/30/18, 2:37 PM
Birches said...: Thank you for saying what I am always thinking. There's nothing wrong with being a woman, but feminists and other fellow travelers seem to think so.; 11/30/18, 2:38 PM
tcrosse said...: When women insisted on being called actors.

They're bastards.; 11/30/18, 3:57 PM
gilbar said...: BUMBLE BEE said.. As the Firesigners are wont to say, "What if Napoleon had B-52s at Waterloo?"

That was THE Funniest thing on SNL, EVER, except it was "What if Napoleon had a B-52 at the Battle of Waterloo"
Just one, with SRAMs (12) and 4 H-bombs. That was back in the '70's, when war would have been interesting; 11/30/18, 5:38 PM
Sam L. said...: The only thing I see wrong is there is NO DRESS. Blank space between Hed and text.; 11/30/18, 6:37 PM
Ken B said...: 1 I agree with Ron Winkelheimer.
2 What a revolting piece of self-aggrandizing. “We are women in tech so we must be BETTER THAN AYONE ELSE!”; 11/30/18, 9:02 PM
n.n said...: The great epiphany of the feminist revolution is that the masculine form is stronger than the feminine form. Why be an actress, when you could be an actor! Don't let your sex determine your gender. Feminine is, by virtue of its close association with female, and fetus, offspring, babies... weak. Don't let them reduce you to a beast of "burden", barefoot, pregnant, and making sandwiches. No soup for you. Next!; 11/30/18, 11:17 PM
Bruce Hayden said...: I should note that this isn't all women in tech. I met the mother of my kid on a software project, roughly 35 years ago. We were working to get two computers, with dissimilar architectures, to communicate. She was finishing her MS/CS at the time. She would come into work, to find a note that said "first the good news: my program works, now the bad news: yours doesn't, and here is why". After a couple months I had her converted from an 8-4 to a 12-8 schedule (I was working until 12 or so). We didn't start dating until we went onto separate projects after maybe 4 months. She was good, but I was better, having most of a decade of experience on her. We were writing in C at the time (no C++ yet), and she did it well, but the place where she really excelled, did better than anyone else around, was writing scripts to test out code. She would type at 90 miles an hour, and you would figure no one could do that accurately, but it mostly worked the first time. She went on into management about the time that I went into patent law, and has been rising through the ranks ever since. She was, and continues to be the sort of feminist that I respect. She went into a male dominated field, and figured out quickly how to disarm male chavenism, but always competed on her own skill, merits, and hard work, never using her gender to cut corners. But, then, in the last half of the 1970s up through the 1980s, when I was in the field professionally, that is what I expected from the women working in software development.; 12/1/18, 5:41 AM