"In the Democratic Party, the question is can anybody throw a punch or take a punch, and one thing we know about Hillary Clinton is she can take a punch.... I think Trump considers her a real rival, whereas his view of the rest of the field is they’ve got to prove themselves."
Said Steve Bannon, quoted in "How Do You Solve a Problem Like Hillary?/She’s not going away—and Democrats aren’t sure what to do about it" (Politico).
Also quoted at Politico — Philippe Reines: It’s curious why Hillary Clinton’s name isn’t in the mix—either conversationally or in formal polling—as a 2020 candidate... She’s younger than Donald Trump by a year. She’s younger than Joe Biden by four years. Is it that she’s run before? This would be Bernie Sanders’ second time, and Biden’s third time. Is it lack of support? She had 65 million people vote for her.... Chalking the loss up to her being a failed candidate is an oversimplification. She is smarter than most, tougher than most, she could raise money easier than most, and it was an absolute fight to the death."
Nixon won the second time around. Why not Hillary?
For those of you who pay attention to the tags on this blog: "Hillary goes away" is my tag for whatever Hillary does on the way out after the 2016 election, so it includes things you might think should be tagged "Hillary won't go away."I didn't plan for the "Hillary goes away" tag to become sarcastic, but I'm not going to create another tag to avoid sarcasm. The thing I avoid is tag proliferation, so if she won't go away, sarcasm happens.
Transcript from "The Lion in Winter" (above): "How beautiful you make me. What might Solomon have sung had he seen this. [Almost looking in a mirror:] I can't. I'd turn to salt. I've lost again. I'm done for this time. Well, there'll be other Christmases. [Holding up jewelry:] I'd hang you from the nipples, but you'd shock the children. They kissed sweetly, didn't they? I'll have him next time. I can wait. Ah, there you are! My comfort and my company. We're locked in for another year. Four seasons more. What a desolation! What a life's work!"
October 21, 2018
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I don't get the lion part. Maybe it's loon.
Q: "what finally killed the internet, Professor?"
A: "tag proliferation"
Sarcasm happens. That is the most Althousian thing I have read here.
Dems to Hillary, “Get your tounge out of my mouth, I’m kissing you goodbye.”
I'm Hillary and I'll be your server tonight.
You folks are more concerned with Hillary running than we liberals are. I guess that the thought of her running must be comforting to Trumpists. Don’t get comfortable.
Dupe of a deep delusion.
Beto will be the candidate in 2020, after he loses to Cruz in a couple of weeks.
"I don't get the lion part. Maybe it's loon."
You probably wrote that before I embedded the "Lion in Winter" clip.
There are female lions, you know. Maybe you think, no, there are lions and lionesses. If so, we'll need to say "litrons" or something like that. Don't lay groundwork for things you don't want built.
The lion was the royal crest.
Inga, “concerned”? No. I’ve yet to come across a righty who I would describe as concerned over Hillary running again. And you’re wrong about lefties too. Most people desperate to see Hillary go away are on the left.
Lionette.
Hillary has ro run--she only committed over a million felonies so far. There's lots more paper to print up the indictments in the warehouse.
They meant "Lyin'"
She lies in Summer, Spring, and Fall, too.
“Most people desperate to see Hillary go away are on the left.”
Yes, she should go away, but there is nothing desperate about it. Liberals aren’t worried about her, as I said it’s you folks who seem obsessed with her.
“She is smarter than most....” The woman who couldn’t keep her secret server secret?
Hillary is an idiot.
Philippe Reines is Hillary Clinton’s amanuensis. If he’s promoting her candidacy, then she’s promoting her candidacy. She’s baaaaack!
I don't understand how Biden went from being a clown to the next great hope for Democrats. How short are their memories?
I never got Kathryn Hepburn. Always long stretches of bad acting. Let me show you how deep my emotion is, where the words suffice.
Audrey was good.
Since whan is not too old a quality we look for in a President?
Darrell said...
They meant "Lyin'"
LOL
Hepburn's acting looks incredibly bad to me, as I watch it today, but she won a Best Actress Oscar for it (tying with Barbra Streisand in "Funny Girl"). That was 50 years ago. You know, those were different times. All the poets studied rules of verse, and those ladies they rolled their eyes.
So, Politico publishes an article about Crooked Hillary Clinton, and Inga wants to know why we are so obsessed with her. Is that correct?
It's not age as much as vigor. She's clearly someone who has profoundly ill-health. It's weird no one even considers the fact that that alone disqualifies her
Nixon won the second time around. Why not Hillary?
This would be her third time, and unlike Biden (not that he doesn't have major problems of his own), she's done nothing but feel sorry for herself in the interim. Hillary is looking more like the 21st century Harold Stassen.
How short are their memories?
Their memories extend back indefinitely, into a past that is created anew each day to suit the current needs of the party.
I like a guy who can take a punch.
- Mike Tyson.
Nixon’s loss was a fair and square steal by Kenndye\Johnson.
You must mean Bernie for the next round.
-XC
She's despised by most Americans. Even those who voted for her last time are done with her. And- cut the phrase that she's smarter than most. Any empirical listening to her speak over the past 20 years should tell you how vacant she is. Tone deaf. Using bureaucratic sounding phrases clipped together to hit all buzz words for her friends in professional academia. Sounding silly to most people on the street. She was a horrible Sec'y State. A First Lady who fronted attacks on women abused by her husband. A huge security risk- for any number of reasons, but the Chinese like her for that. Led the overthrow of Libya, which led to the anarchy there now, as well as swarms of migrants rushing into Italy and beyond. Has never spoken the truth about her handling of the deaths of Amb. Stevens, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, and Sean Smith, nor her lying to the world that it was caused by a random, obscure video made by a nobody in California. Finally- she's a world level crook. The consummate grifter. From her early days with Whitewater to her global 'feed the Clintons' fund called the 'Clinton Foundation'. Please.
Plus her health is bad. And even that they try to hide. She's a mess on more fronts than I have the space here to list. So- in the end- yeah, I think the Democrats should run her. Bring it on. At this point the only votes she'll get are those in line coming from Guatemala right now.
PS, be careful when you hear Democrats use the word 'lion'. Such as...Ted Kennedy was the Lion of the Senate. Except for when he drove Mary Jo Kopechne off a bridge. Or fondled numerous other women. Or made 'women-sandwiches' with his friend, Democrate Senator Chris Dodd.
Or when he came back from a murderous weekend to denounce Robert Bork...and got away with it.
These Democrat Lions are something to be avoided, not elected.
Sarcasm happens, says a lion in winter.
Eleanor of Aquitaine would have eaten Hillary for lunch. Eleanor was a powerful ruler in a time when women rarely held power in their own name.
Hillary is fortunate that she has had enough people who will cover up her crimes for her. If I, or anyone else who have had access to National Security information, had been that careless with it, we would be in jail. No if's, or's, or but's. Careless handling of National Security information is a felony, and the information is classified even if it is not marked. Her excuses have a effective range of 0 meters. They fall useless from her lips.
I can believe Hillary will try again. What else is she going to do?
But the Clintons are the past. America moves forward.
She's not going to run. She's going to hint at running so that she can influence the 2020 field. She'll build up just enough support that when she eventually steps aside and endorses another candidate, she ends up playing king-maker.
"It's not age as much as vigor. She's clearly someone who has profoundly ill-health. It's weird no one even considers the fact that that alone disqualifies her"
Here would be the big difference there this time around. Last time the press covered for her. Most of them actively hid that Trump was doing more public events a day, than she was doing a week. A week might go by, and you might think that Trump was out of the news, or not doing much, then realize he had done maybe 15 big rallies across the country. And they weren't really covered. Now he is POTUS, which means that he is far harder to ignore. Wherever he goes to speak at a political rally, the American people know. These rallies are Events, with people lining up at midnight to get in. He came into this as a showman, and has only gotten better with practice. Maybe he will only be able to do one rally a day, due to the increased logistics of being President. But that won't matter because people across the country will be insisting on watching them.
Meanwhile, Crooked Hillary's health isn't improving. I expect that, instead, it is getting worse. She never was a good or energetic public speaker. The only way that a compliant press can cover her is to not cover her, and attack Trump. If they did actually cover her, they probably couldn't help but inadvertently disclose her health issues. Bad enough when her beefy aides had to pick her up and toss her in the back of her van, after she collapsed. Much worse, if her collapse were at a major political event when the spotlight was on her. And Trump wouldn't be shy putting the spotlight on her ill health.
Another thing thing to keep in mind is that we all now know that her campaign, through payments to Fusion GPS, worked closely with the DoJ and FBI to link Trump to Russian interference, and spy on his campaign, using federal govt agents and operatives, and lying to the FISA Court, with the top people at those agencies routinely illegally leaking the details to her fawning press. Not only will it be much harder for her to do this time around, with them all working for him, and some higher ups very likely in prison by then, but it would be used to reinforce his name for her: "Crooked Hillary".
I couldn't believe that Nixon was really going to be taken seriously in 1968. He was the past.
To be more like Nixon, Hillary could run in 2024.
Out of >320 million in the country the only place where you can find your hope for the future is with an overweight, alcoholic, thieving, super-connected hack like Hillary. You'd think they would have learned after the experience with the super-connected Adlai Stevenson.
Althouse said--To be more like Nixon, Hillary could run in 2024.
Good idea!
Robocalls from Hell are cheaper, anyway.
Hillary! is going to run because she does not know of any other life, but she is indeed another ghost from Christmases past.
I couldn't believe that Nixon was really going to be taken seriously in 1968. He was the past.
But he was the New Nixon. And Hubert Humphrey as LBJ's second banana, was too tied up with an uncomfortable recent past.
Nixon won the second time around. Why not Hillary?
Now you really are being disingenuous.
Just don't kiss her while she's sleeping.
"I couldn't believe that Nixon was really going to be taken seriously in 1968. He was the past."
True, but Nixon was 55 in 1968 and he hadn't been in the White House already like Hillary. Hillary can never be entirely separated from Bill. She was his co-president after all. Bill has a past the Dems want "left in the shadows". Hillary was complicit in all that. If she runs, that past will be come more and more to light.
2016 was Hillary's Nixon-like come back attempt.
The Lion in Winter is more about Eleanor of Aquitane's ambition for her son, Richard, than for herself. Or maybe for vicarious power. Hillary has no son.
Rhhardin opines: I never got Kathryn Hepburn. Always long stretches of bad acting. Let me show you how deep my emotion is, where the words suffice.
I agree. Would have loved to see Helen Mirren in that role.
Why Hillary will run:
“...as if the way one fell down mattered.”
“When the fall is all there is, it matters.”
It's clear that what makes Hillary a strong candidate is the dreadfulness of the other candidates.
That's a bad state of affairs.
Hillary works to make under 35's future of party. Under 35's cannot run for President and so their mentor will do a term for the team ... Thus the political calculation. But she's very ill - it's obvious to all over 65's. In my opinion, she will die trying, lying in winter - and lying in the spring, the summer and the fall. All she has to do is open her mouth and out a lie will fall.
PS Notice the high cheekbones in Katherine Hepburn?
As much as I hate to say it, when I see Hillary I see myself. We have about the same constitution. Campaigning is a bitch. She can't handle it. She's showing every one of her years including mental decline, whereas Trump's energy is other-worldly.
If she's Eleanor then he's Henry II.
Bannon is playing games. Hillary is way over the hill. She ran a good, energetic senate campaign in NY the first time around but was out of touch in 2004 when the underdog Obama beat her. She barely got by Bernie in 2012, even with the full weight of the Democratic party apparatus behind her.
She should be blamed by the Democrats for losing to Trump. Her questionable ethics with the Clinton Foundation and attacking Bill's "bimbos" made it difficult for her campaign to go after Trump's weak spots. She also lacked the energy of years past. Any halfway decent democratic candidate would have defeated Trump.
Hillary gets compared to Nixon because they both had a dark side, likely related to their combination of drive and deep personal insecurities.
Neither one is likable because of those personality characteristics and because they seem unattractive with little personal warmth.
However, Nixon was a pretty bright guy and he was not a crook.
Hillary is not very bright and she is head of the Clinton Crime Family.
Facebook helps me stay in touch with friends and family
Facebook makes me feel like the Man in the Iron Mask. No one can see me and I can never say who I really am.
Facebook allows the market and the government to invade and exploit my life and my home.
What party is predicted by holding one of these various views of Facebook? How many hold each view?
David Begley said...
“She is smarter than most....” The woman who couldn’t keep her secret server secret?
Hillary is an idiot.
BINGO!
The secret server is bad, more for what it says about Hillary than the importance of the server itself:
It was stupid to think that something literally hundreds of people could not help knowing, would not become public knowledge eventually. Had she won the election and then it came out afterwards, that is impeachment material right there.
What does it say about the character of a person who thinks it is okay to do 100% of her job via back channels? How is a "good government" darling like the FOIA supposed to work when all the information is done on unofficial channels? Hillary was in her formative years right smack in the middle of the era which produced FOIA.
If she had any sense, she would go into self-imposed exile, but if she had any sense, she would never have considered such an asinine idea as the server. So here we are.
"In the Democratic Party, the question is can anybody throw a punch or take a punch, and one thing we know about Hillary Clinton is she can take a punch.... I think Trump considers her a real rival, whereas his view of the rest of the field is they’ve got to prove themselves."
-- What are they talking about? The two times she went into Presidential politics, she couldn't take the punches. She lost to Obama and Trump -- both fights she went into as the favorite.
Hillary was weak. She couldn’t come out and concede her defeat on election night. She didn’t have the mental or physical strength.
Obama was on the phone with her telling her she had to go out there and do it. She couldn’t. A lion in winter? Yeah, right.
Pat Nixon never ran for president. So the Nixon comparisons to Hillary are off.
True, but Nixon was 55 in 1968 and he hadn't been in the White House already like Hillary
Except for the 8 years he spent as VP under Eisenhower. And by all accounts he had a bigger role and more actual responsibilities than any vice-president before him.
There are female lions, you know. Maybe you think, no, there are lions and lionesses. If so, we'll need to say "litrons" or something like that. Don't lay groundwork for things you don't want built.
Why doesn't anyone ever attack the sexism of Spanish like they do English? It's much more patriarchal..literally.
Spanish for father - padre
Spanish for mother - madre
Spanish for parent - padre
The Democrats will need a sacrificial lamb to run against Trump in 2020 while they rebuild their farm team for 2024. Who better than Hillary?
Grass roots democrats can get rid of Hillary but the power of the Clinton corruption machine is ... powerful.
Hillary needs to institutionalize her corruption.
Either Bannon is playing games, as noted in the comments above or he is correct.
Does anyone doubt for a moment that the power hungry Hillary wants the power of the presidency? The only question is whether she can win it. She has the money and the name recognition. Policy wise. she holds all the views the Dems love. She got 68 Million votes, a few million more than Trump. The media generally supports her.
She just carries a lot of personal baggage and her husband happens to be a rapist in the #metoo era.
It’s a very simple calculation - if the Dem power brokers feel she is the best shot at beating Trump, she runs a third time.
HIllary- Podesta Group 2020
Hillary Strozk - 2020
Hillary- Menendez 2020
Hillary wants a better relationship with the press. LOL.
The press were in her pocket as they are with any Democrat.
The fact that she's an un-indicted felon - would that disqualify her? It should.
Clinton exhaustion is real because keeping her level of corruption out of the White House is paramount.
Blogger David Begley said...
“She is smarter than most....” The woman who couldn’t keep her secret server secret?
Hillary is an idiot.
She is a criminal who has gotten away with murder, literally or figuratively since 1992 and even before when she was Bill's bagman.
When you spend decades enabling such a criminal, you get a criminal that gets more and more careless. The FBI files, the Travel Office, were the first to come to attention. Then there was the history of the Cattle Futures caper.
The home server was just evidence that she had no concerns about getting caught violating the Espionage Act.
Can anyone, not deluded like the fool ,imagine what such a person would be like in the Presidency ?
"It was stupid to think that something literally hundreds of people could not help knowing, would not become public knowledge eventually. Had she won the election and then it came out afterwards, that is impeachment material right there."
The Clintons don't do stupid. They and their team carefully calculated that it would serve their interests to conduct government business via private means, avoiding FOIA requests and enabling donor gifts, and then had the server set up. They may have underestimated the risk of discovery, but I suspect David Kendall laid it all out in advance, arguing that they could beat the rap no problem, knowing they had allies in key places, the media on their side, and O himself usefully compromised.
Of course, the machine, its billion-dollar slush fund, its billion-dollar war chest, and its CIA/Fusion GPS spook running could not overcome Hill's liabilities, which was the real shock. Everything else followed from that--Mueller, mobs, the works.
She must at least threaten to run again to keep the machine intact, as a form of self-protection and money grabbing if nothing else.
It’s a very simple calculation - if the Dem power brokers feel she is the best shot at beating Trump, she runs a third time.
Yes, the Democrat Party has its group of Krupps, like this guy.
There are a lot of hedge fund billionaires that really don't want the party to end.
A new Republican women's group who is "fed up with Trump" and pouring cash into toss-up congressional districts is bankrolled solely by a male billionaire venture capitalist who is a major donor to Democratic campaigns and causes, Federal Election Commission filings show.
The Democrats have 100 of these guys and they all want the party to go on.
I suspect David Kendall laid it all out in advance, arguing that they could beat the rap no problem, knowing they had allies in key places, the media on their side, and O himself usefully compromised.
Yes and the Secret Service people said the Clintons were "the most paranoid first family they had ever seen."
Criminal behavior makes one paranoid.
Since Bill's sexual crimes are far worse than just about anyone in politics, I expect the pussy hats to give a full force rejection with large crowds of angry protests.
or does the Clinton's (D) make that all go away?
The FBI’s investigation of Clinton was spurred by her decision to set up a private server to handle her email during her four years as secretary of State. The server in her mansion in Chappaqua, N.Y., was insecure and exposed emails with classified information to detection by foreign sources and others.
Clinton effectively exempted herself from the federal Freedom of Information Act. The State Department ignored 17 FOIA requests for her emails before 2014 and insisted it required 75 years to disclose emails of Clinton's top aides.
A federal judge and the State Department inspector general slammed the FOIA stonewalling.
Clinton’s private email server was not publicly disclosed until she received a congressional subpoena in 2015. A few months later, the FBI Counterintelligence Division opened a criminal investigation of the “potential unauthorized storage of classified information on an unauthorized system.”
and yet - she didn't drop out. Someone other than Clinton might have beaten Trump. But somehow, because it's the Clintons, we are supposed to forget she set up and used a Private Server. Which is against the law.
Hillary Clinton's Favorable Rating Still Low
She is definitely running- there is no question about that, I think. With an apparently large Democratic field assembling for 2020, are you really that sure she can't win enough votes in the primary to reach the convention in the lead?
I remember all these same arguments made against Donald Trump winning the Republican nomination- that his support wasn't large enough to win the majority of delegates over the long haul. I pointed out over and over that just because he was only winning 25-35% of the early votes didn't mean that he could never win 50%+ as the field narrowed down. You can win a nomination with only 20% of the vote in early primaries if you are in 1st or 2nd place- this false belief that the other 80% has break against such a candidate is baffling to me.
When you take a punch, you analyze what you have done wrong that allowed (1) the punch to be thrown or (2) the punch to penetrate your defenses.
Hillary cannot take a punch; she cannot do the sober analysis done above, and instead blames others for the punches that hit her.
Why would the #1 threat to democracy - Hillary/Podesta- be given a chance again by democrats?
Democrats must answer that.
Inspector general's report on FBI and Clinton's emails shows secrecy threatens democracy
Yancey - here in Colorado, a caucus state - Bernie won the most votes in the primary. However, the super delegates, including Jared Polis, gave their votes to Hillary.
"She is smarter than most,"
Yeah, just disregard all the stupid shit she does.
I don't think Hillary is particularly overweight, especially given that she in her late, late middle age. I also don't think that it's quite right to attack her looks. Objectively, she looks at least in the normal range for someone her age. I personally think she looks better than most women her age. I'm appalled at her actions and beliefs.
The Clintons coming tour will show all of the people who run the party that they can still pull a million dollars a day out of the small fry. That'll end the discussion.
Indictment justified
FBI investigators shrugged off brazen deceit. An unnamed FBI agent on the case responded to a fellow FBI agent who asked how an interview went with a witness who worked with the Clintons at their Chappaqua residence: “Awesome. Lied his a-- off. Went from never inside the scif (sensitive compartmented information facility) at res (residence), to looked in when it was being constructed, to removed the trash twice, to troubleshot the secure fax with HRC a couple times, to every time there was a secure fax i did it with HRC. Ridic.” When his colleague replied that “would be funny if he was the only guy charged n this deal,” he replied, “aint noone gonna do s--t” as far as filing charges.
Her greatest accomplishment was marrying Bill. Like "Alph the sacred river flowing from caves of ice" her resume is directly proportionate when measured against that singular event.
She is not a feminist. She is in fact anti-feminist.
She was not presidential material (anything-material for that matter) the first two times. Neither will she be for a 3rd, 4th, bazillionth.
Other women with better, independent bona-fides are waiting. Get lost Hillary.
I like Hillary. She brought us Trump. My friend wants her in jail. I say, keep her around: she is a great reminder of what's wrong with the hypocritical left.
Also, a note on her intelligence. I am thinking she is probably super, uber smart (no, really). Much smarter than Trump, or Reagan. Reagan knew he wasn't too smart, so he did things like convene presidential committees full of scientists to evaluate and inform his positions (such as whether or not to allow diesel cars, as Chrysler wanted, and whether or not Agent Orange was causing cancer in Vietnam vets).
Hillary is so smart, she probably knows the answer to those things without needing scientists and others to inform her decisions.
"She is smarter than most"
She apparently wasn't smarter than the 70% of her cohort who passed the DC bar exam that day back when. She failed, and never took it again.
(She later passed the Arkansas exam, which is generally considered one of the easiest in the country)
Ann Althouse said...
"Nixon won the second time around. Why not Hillary?"
Because, when Nixon ran, there wasn't no blacks screaming "WHY WON'T THIS BITCH GO AWAY?!?"
Understand that if the democrats give the nomination to Hillary, AGAIN, the ferocity with which we will go after Bill and Hillary will be "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet".
The left cannot break out of their power-hungry stale candidate mode. Perhaps it's time to do so. Who knows - you lefties might actually beat Trump with someone fresh.
Tulsi, Beto, Hickenlooper, even some big-wig democrat in the private sector tech mega-company field etc...
Biden? Really?
Clinton? really?
Why not just run Pelosi
Warren and her .00024 whatever drop of native American blood is a big yawn compared to a lifetime of Clinton corruption. But Warren is up there, too.
I think that running a war monger viscerally hated by half the country, some of whom you hope to win over is the kind of counterintuitive genius that was behind Pickett's charge. "Surely they are out of ammunition!" Bet it works this time!
I still don't understand the list of admirable qualities, hung around Clinton's wife's neck. Smart, hard working, talented, etc, etc. If she were not married to the Nations rapist in Chief, nobody would know her. She appears to be a master craftsman at feathering her own nest. People of the world gave her $billions, for no other reason than buying access to the United States Government. That all failed due to Clinton' wife's hubris, and lacking all of the qualities oft repeated in her name. Supposedly a woman as adapt and smart has Clinton's wife, would today be in the Oval office, leading the persecution of a private citizen, DJT, for colluding with the Russia Govt to rig the 2016 presidential election
The Clinton promotional tour and cash-grab:
The Clintons’ first show next year will be April 11 at the nearly 3,000-seat Beacon Theatre in New York, and the tour wraps May 4 at the Forum in Inglewood, California.
The Clintons will also visit Philadelphia’s The Met, Detroit’s Fox Theatre, DAR Constitution Hall in Washington, DC, and Opera House in Boston.
Protestors outside might be a problem. ooops.
The Clintons are skipping icky middle America, (the walmart shopping smelly people) and speaking only to the hivemind on elite coastal blue.
Be a shame if a big pile of pussy hats protested the Clinton's money-grubbing any means to stay in the spotlight tour.
MONEY
The Clinton Foundation political machine needs politics.
Hillary gets more "donations" from Arabs, Chinese, Russian and other evildoers
If she has not given up the ghost.
They hedge their bets.
If she really ran she could Hoover up another couple billion
from the commies and social justice freaks
The Dems really want to run
Winning has got nothing to do with it
Hillary is OK with her own husband having sex with a 22 year old intern in the Oval Office.
Said so just the other day.
Do you think the collective left would be OK if Trump had sex in the oval office - with anyone not his wife? They'd go ape shit if he had sex with his wife.
I'd like the 22nd Amendment to be extended to spouses. Does anyone doubt that if Hillary or Michelle got elected, God forbid, it would be like a 3rd term for their husbands? Even if not, it's an obvious loophole, as it was in Alabama with George Wallace and his wife.
Lion in Winter? More like a Chihuahua in the Fridge of her own mind.
bgates said... Their memories extend back indefinitely, into a past that is created anew each day to suit the current needs of the party.
hahahhaha!
Between Hillary and Trump:
Trump gives back to the people. Trump is slowly but surely giving the government back to the people
Hillary is a taker. She is a money grubber and will seize power in order to pad her own coffers.
She chased after a single electoral vote in Nebraska while ignoring Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. Tell me again how smart she is.
Hillary excusing her own husband for cheating on her with a 22 year old intern will make a GREAT political ad.
”Hillary is OK with her own husband having sex with a 22 year old intern in the Oval Office.”
It wasn’t sex.
Remember that one?
Blogger tcrosse said...
The Democrats will need a sacrificial lamb to run against Trump in 2020 while they rebuild their farm team for 2024. Who better than Hillary?
Yes, I see it too. The democrats need to hit rock bottom before they pull their heads out.
In the age of #Metoo, it was sex.
Unless a cigar in the 22 year old's hoohoo and splooge all over a blue dress ins't sex.
Weinstein jerking off into a plant while the poor victim watched isn't sex either.
Basically - when democrats do it, it's all A-OK!
Original Mike:
It wasn’t sex.
Remember that one?
Oddly enough, according to the definition of sex used by the court, it wasn't sex. The definition did not include sexual gratification of Bill by another (try that with the cop: "But officer, I only paid for a blowjob, which we know is work, thanks to Ann, in any event.")
Clinton and his lawyers were smart, but he so incensed the judge, she punished him by taking away his license to practice law in Arkansas. How weak. She blew it, and she ineffectually punished Bill. I hope it made her feel better, but meanwhile she screwed up the case and altered history.
Corrutocrat Night Live is #WeExuseDemocratSexAbuse
Clinton-Weistein 2020
Because we can.
Wait. What? Eleanor was replaced in Henry's affections by much younger Rosamund Clifford, lost her inheritance, was banished to England and imprisoned for 16 years, and on Henry's death her favored son Richard I, failed to reign successfully.
However, she persisted, so maybe that's the hook.
The Lion himself didn't fare much better after Becket's murder...a miserable bunch, the whole lot of them. Oh! another hook!
"The thing I avoid is tag proliferation."
That's why we love you.
The only way Hillary can win is if the democratic voices online are silenced.
(By "democratic voices" I mean individuals. Voices that come out in a democracy. "Republic voices" are those who supposedly represent the people, such as politicians, the media, celebrities, etc.)
If Hillary runs and the democratic voices can speak with the same power as in 2012, she'll lose.
If Twitter, Facebook, and Google succeed in tweaking their algorithms to silence the democratic voices, she might pull it out.
2020 is going to be the end for the democrat party.
They will not be able to readjust by then.
In 2020 the angry white women will pick the candidate and it will be some leftist like Harris or Bernie.
I have hopes that by 2024 the party of JFK returns.
Not the racist woman abuser JFK.
The "Don't ask what your country can do for you, Ask what you can do for your country" JFK.
Maybe Dwayne Johnson can do it.
Please run Hillary. A lying, criminal, enabler of a sexual predator is exactly what your party needs.
I note that some of the comments on this thread have compared Hillary to Nixon. The way I see it, if you take Nixon, transform him into a woman, strip him of his virtues and character while leaving his vices along with lower his IQ by 20 points, you get Hillary. Also, Hillary needs to stay in the game just to stay out of jail. The problem for the Democrats isn't geriatric candidates, is that what they stand for once the shiny veneer is stripped away. In my state of Florida there is a very high likelihood we are going to elect an attractive, telegenic black man who is also a crook and a Communist who is promising Medicare for all to those who have no intention for paying for it. Those very same voters will vote for ballot amendments that will limit tax increases on them while believing the Communist will raise taxes on others. You know, those folks who have larceny in their hearts, the Democratic voting base.
A lion in winter or a feral tabby with a hairball
Hardly a day goes by without another Hillary! article in some left-wing rag. Hell, she was even on Colbert the other night.
But stupid people think it's the Republicans who are obsessed with her.
Proof that Democrats are subnormal in intelligence is their inability to understand that to substantially more than 50% of the voting population Hillary Clinton is regarded as a thoroughly unlikeable, vastly corrupt, and unbelievably incompetent individual.
In my state of Florida there is a very high likelihood we are going to elect an attractive, telegenic black man who is also a crook and a Communist who is promising Medicare for all to those who have no intention for paying for it.
That's the democrat party platform.
Hillary will promise all the free goodies she always promises, but this time she will make pals with the pro-Democrat hack press. As if we didn't already know the press will be willing participants in her campaign.
Most Americans do not trust the media. I wonder why?
@James K
Thanks for saying what I realized later and just came back to see whether anyone had said. It would be her third time.
If Hillary were like Nixon, she'd have won her second time around. To win in 2020, that would be as if Nixon had lost to Humphrey, then challenged Humphrey in 1972 and won. Imagine that! Voting Nixon down twice and then having him come back again and finally getting elected.
But it would only be her second time to get the party's nomination, so that would be like Nixon. He got the nomination twice and won the second time. However, Nixon got the nomination the first time he tried. He was the obvious nominee in 1960, having been the Vice President. Hillary was the obvious nominee -- who knows why?! -- in 2008 but she couldn't even get the nomination. Somehow she was allowed to comeback and still be considered the presumptive nominee (and only Bernie Sanders challenged that). Nixon had to fight for the nomination in 1968. He had strong competition: George Romney, Nelson Rockefeller, and Ronald Reagan.
I'm reading Pat Buchanan's book on Nixon. I was surprised that he got FAR FEWER votes in 1968 then he did in 1960.
Nixon got 49.5% in 1960, and 43% in 1968. Even when you adjust for Wallace, he lost a lot of support outside the South.
But he still squeaked by. But if you look at numbers, it was damn close thing. A couple hundred thousand votes in Key states, and Hump would've won.
Incredible to me. But then everyone in my family voted for Wallace/Nixon or stayed home because RFK was killed.
I don't think Hillary will run again or she'd be nominated. She won in 2016 because it was "her turn" and the Establishment was 100% behind her.
But most of the establishment now thinks she's a loser. Plus, I think a black candidate (harris or booker) will run, and Hillary can't win the nomination without the black vote.
Blogger rcocean said...
I'm reading Pat Buchanan's book on Nixon.
I really enjoyed that book. Pat loved Agnew, he was one of a very few at Agnew's funeral.
His book on "Unnecessary Wars" was interesting even if I mostly disagreed. It did get me to buy a biography of Edward Grey, which is on my "to read" pile.
Nixon had to fight for the nomination in 1968. He had strong competition: George Romney, Nelson Rockefeller, and Ronald Reagan.
Nixon had proved to be a good soldier by supporting Goldwater when the others stayed away. Reagan supported him but he was not yet a big foot in the party.
The Hillary analogy to Nixon is not bad. Lotta good comments and observations on it above. The one thing I would add is that in 1966, Tricky Dick campaigned across the country, hammering LBJ, and helped the GOP win 47 House seats. This effort greatly indebted a lotta grass root Republicans to him, which laid the foundation for his narrow ‘68 Prez victory (with an assist by George Wallace splitting the Dem vote with Humphrey).
That is all.
Did Tricky Dick ever pocket 145 million from secret Russian Uranium deals and Bill Clinton speaking gigs?
Dick Nixon ever set up a Private Server in order to hide secret deals that would enrich his private life?
Acting-wise Katherine Hepburn was your typical Hollywood star. Good within a certain range and certain roles, bad otherwise.
She had too distinctive a voice/look to be anything other than Katherine Hepburn. She can't "disappear" into a part, like say Geraldine Page or Vanessa Redgrave could.
And I HATE Lion in winter. What is it supposed to be? A comedy? A drama? As history its absurd. As a drama its a bore. As a comedy its unfunny.
Bleh!
I just saw her in "Alice Adams" for five minutes while I was flipping through the Hotel TV. She's very good in it. Exactly the kind of role she was very good in.
BTW, even when you adjust for lighting and makeup - she looks damn good for 60 or so, in that clip.
Was Katherine Hepburn a fraud? She projected an image of flinty independence, but her relationship with Spencer Tracy belied that image. He remained married to another and occasionally abused Katherine when he was in his cups. Her flinty independence was more a matter of superior pr than lofty character......I wonder how much of the Hillary we think we know is real. I won't live to see it, but my bet is that the real story is a lot darker than what we think--and we think dark thoughts about Hillary,........I liked Katherine Hepburn in Bringing Up Baby, but all her other performances were too mannered and actressy.
I thought Grace Kelly was a better Tracy Lord than Katherine Hepburn. Also Tracy Lord was terrific as Tracy Lord, but she was typecast as a pornstar.
Yes, she should go away, but there is nothing desperate about it. Liberals aren’t worried about her, as I said it’s you folks who seem obsessed with her.
Of course we are. She is such a delicious metaphor for the entire Democratic party: old, tired, out of (non) crazy ideas, corruptly rich, blatantly dishonest, vastly impressed by credentials and school names. Publically pro woman, but privately horribly anti woman. Not particularly fertile, immensely dislikable but like an old lady in leather pants, totally lacking any self awareness. Plus with huge substance abuse and medical problems. No class, no respect for the law, no respect for culture or civility.
She IS the Democratic party.
You can't spend two years screaming about the election being stolen and then NOT support Hillary in 2020 without becoming an accomplice after the fact. That's why everybody on that side is just crossing their fingers and hoping she doesn't run.
If Hillary does run, there's no way the whole Democratic Party is going to step aside for her again but she'll have too much money and support to fade away on her own. Someone will have to take her out and that would probably ruin their political future as well. It's the same old location between a rock and a hard place.
Mike
It would be like running NIxon after his impeachment.
Hillary is an un-indicted crook and a liar, but hey - here she is again.
@ FIDO
Of course we are. She is such a delicious metaphor for the entire Democratic party: old, tired, out of (non) crazy ideas, corruptly rich, blatantly dishonest, vastly impressed by credentials and school names. Publically pro woman, but privately horribly anti woman. Not particularly fertile, immensely dislikable but like an old lady in leather pants, totally lacking any self awareness. Plus with huge substance abuse and medical problems. No class, no respect for the law, no respect for culture or civility.
She IS the Democratic party.
Worth a nice hearty bold
I would have honestly thought at this point the clinton's would have positioned themselves as "king makers" and enjoy the fruits of having their lily white asses kissed constantly but I guess I would be wrong. Hillary has to know at some level it's never going to happen, right? She had her shots and blew it, end of story. Even if Trump where to implode by 2020 there is no way the party is going to entrust the opportunity to a 3 time loser in poor health.
Hopefully, "The Lion in Winter" will be followed by "A Witch in Hell."
mockturtle said...
Rhhardin opines: I never got Kathryn Hepburn. Always long stretches of bad acting. Let me show you how deep my emotion is, where the words suffice."
I liked her in "The Philadelphia Story" and "Bringing Up Baby." Her range was narrow, but effective in certain roles.
Dorothy Parker wrote of Hepburn that her acting skills ran the gamut from A to B.
But at least Hepburn, unlike Hillary, knew when it was time to exit the stage. Hillary doesn't remind me of Eleanor of Aquitaine. She's more like the Black Knight in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail," who keeps shrieking threats and insults even after he's lost his arms and legs.
FIDO said...
Yes, she should go away, but there is nothing desperate about it. Liberals aren’t worried about her, as I said it’s you folks who seem obsessed with her."
Who keeps interviewing her? Why are her peevish brain farts constantly in the news? Conservatives aren't shelling out the bucks to go see the Bill 'n Hill show.
If the Dems had any sense at all they would deposit Hill and her entourage on a desert island somewhere and let them go full "Lord of the Flies."
The Bernie Dem faction HATES Hillary.
I see her current actions for being money, ego, payback, and power.
Not preparing for a serious Presidential run.
Exiled, Hepburn played herself very well, as did Elizabeth Taylor. I always imagined that Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf was a pretty good picture of the Burton-Taylor marriage.
Young people may make a difference in Democrat party. 18 year olds voters looking at grandmas and grandpas as over the hill. The anti-white, anti old man stuff dems are pushing may backfire on them.
Young charismatic newcomer could possibly get the nomination, if the money is there.
The Bernie Dem faction HATES Hillary.
The Gentry Liberals love her. She gets ovations at New York theaters and restaurants.
Podesta vampire Group wants to rise from the ashes.
Because money grub and power.
As witches are now putting curses on Brett Kavanaugh and demanding his death, don't discount the role of the occult in today's politics:
Witches Coven places hex on SCOTUS justice
mockturtle said...
As witches are now putting curses on Brett Kavanaugh and demanding his death, don't discount the role of the occult in today's politics:
Witches Coven places hex on SCOTUS justice
10/21/18, 4:56 PM
For some reason, the video at that link isn't working for me, but I would hazard a guess that the witches look more like the Macbeth kind, rather than like Elizabeth Montgomery.
Admit it Dickin, you called Politico and asked them to write this.
I couldn't believe that Nixon was really going to be taken seriously in 1968. He was the past.
@Althouse, I guess you failed to factor in the impact of the Westher Underground, the Days of Rage, the apparent temper tantrum of the Baby Boomer generation, etc., on the voting public.
http://brianlilley.com/one-year-left-in-trudeaus-mandate-and-the-tide-turns-to-scheer/
Something is in the air. Even Althouse heartthrob and bastard son of Fidel Castro is seeing some headwinds in the polls.
The Lion in Winter was a Hollywood version of the 'subverted expectations' that quickly became de rigor in the Academy. IIRC, that was the time some 'historians' discovered that every famous white Western Man was actually a closet homosexual...until they discovered they weren't.
So too the Lion in Winter. History films were pretty much morality plays, with Elizabeth being wry at the clever and usually undefeated Francis Drake with COSTUMES and UNDERTONE and CODPIECES.
Lion in Winter was about the King of England randily banging some young bint of no class or education. John Lackland being a twisted troll like creature. The Soulless Sociopath of (oh God, I can't remember his name...google) God Damn it! Geoffery! A character who would be quite at home in Game of Thrones.
And then Richard Lionhearted...portrayed as a hateful son and a cock smoker of the first order. Hmm!
So it was a subversive history.
Amexpat@8:38. "...Any halfway decent democrat candidate would have defeated Trump".
Oh? Like who?
I find Hepburn's accent constantly offputting. Plus she always oozes superiority in every role. Which works when she is an Elanor.
I'd have loved to see a Racquel Welsh as a young Elanor, but unfortunately, while she could fill a fur bikini and a wetsuit, she could not act her way out of a paper bag.
Nixon won the second time around. Why not Hillary?
Has any Democrat who list the general election ever gotten the nomination?
History films were pretty much before this morality plays and infotainment.
Blogger tcrosse said...The Gentry Liberals love her. She gets ovations at New York theaters and restaurants.
The Indiscreet Harm of the Bourgeoisie.
RUN, Hillary, RUN!!!!!11111!!!!
Has any Democrat who list the general election ever gotten the nomination?
Grover Cleveland.
Not to be confused with Grover Cleveland Alexander.
Stephen Grover Cleveland (March 18, 1837 – June 24, 1908) was an American politician and lawyer who was the 22nd and 24th President of the United States, the only president in American history to serve two non-consecutive terms in office (1885–1889 and 1893–1897).
Grover Cleveland Alexander (February 26, 1887 – November 4, 1950), nicknamed "Old Pete", was an American Major League Baseball pitcher. He played from 1911 through 1930 for the Philadelphia Phillies, Chicago Cubs, and St. Louis Cardinals. He was elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1938.
Has any Democrat who list the general election ever gotten the nomination?
Andrew Jackson lost the election of 1824 and was the Democratic nominee in 1828.
None of these historical characters indulged in power for their own sake. Hillary - it's all about power, for HER-> It's all about her access to ultimate power and her need to silence critics and fulfill HER-> mega-rich donors wishes. Making them even richer at tax payer expense.
Cuomo is leading the way in NY.
Hillary Clinton's Favorable Rating Still Low
moved from the other thread
Is it too late to charge Clinton with a crime?
I don't think it is.
Where is Our Attorney general?
Tim in Vermont reports: http://brianlilley.com/one-year-left-in-trudeaus-mandate-and-the-tide-turns-to-scheer/
Something is in the air. Even Althouse heartthrob and bastard son of Fidel Castro is seeing some headwinds in the polls.
If he gets voted out of office does he get to keep the eyebrows?
Well the weather underground and the days of rage were after, they came back from Cuba with the vemceremos brigades, like the brigette did from Czechoslovakia the baader from Berlin. But the unrest in Chicago Detroit DC did play a part
If he gets voted out of office does he get to keep the eyebrows?
If he gets voted out of office, are there Canadian show business personalities threatening to move to the United States?
Stevenson lost in both 1952 and 1956.
Wait..she was supposed to be spiraling toward death in '16...
"Was Katherine Hepburn a fraud? She projected an image of flinty independence, but her relationships with Spencer Tracy belied that image. He remained married to another and occasionally abused Katherine when he was in his cups. Her flinty independence was more a matter of superior pr than lofty character......"
"I liked her in "The Philadelphia Story" and "Bringing Up Baby." Her range was narrow, but effective in certain roles"
I esp liked the two of them together. Maybe it was a sort of proto-feminism that I saw in my mother's family extending to at least before the Civil War. And, looking back over my GFs since my senior year in HS, I find that I have been most attracted to that sort of woman, and esp the way that she would, in those movies, stand up to the men, and esp how she played off of Tracy.
As for the relationship with Tracy, I have long blamed that on what I consider Roman Catholic morality. Growing up, I knew several families where the parents separated, but never divorced or remarried, due to their Roman Catholicism, but still had long term relationships with other partners. From a Protestant point of view, I never understood the morality there, but accept it, having seen it with some of the parents of friends. And, really despite that, or maybe even because of it, at least the wives there always seemed to be devout Catholics. It was a generational thing - the Catholic women of my generation, faced with infidelity, have typically divorced. Tracy was probably closer to my grandparents, than parents, in age, so I really cannot fault him, in his Roman Catholicism, for staying married to his wife, while ultimately spending the rest of his life with Hepburn.
Again, it would be like nominating a felon.
Setting up and using a private server to hide her offical communications while head of the State Dept - and a few bad actors at the FBI let her get away with it.
Nobody else would have gotten away with it.
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