The NY Post reports. You've probably already seen this. I didn't get around to blogging it yesterday. I'm just blogging it now because I have a question that I'm not seeing anyone else asking.
I'm familiar with the problem of living in an apartment building with a locking entrance door. You worry that someone who doesn't belong there will use the opportunity of your opening that door to enter the building without a key. But you don't know everyone in the building so you don't know when someone is using this method. Okay. So what do you do? I know what I did. I would check out my surroundings and not go up to the door if someone was near me. I'd wait until I could use my key and get the door to close behind me before anyone else would have the opportunity to follow me in. I'd do the same thing on the way out. Unless I knew a resident coming up to the door, I wouldn't go out in a way that would create an opportunity for someone to go in. This is simple self-protection, and it doesn't require ever confronting anyone or making anyone feel disrespected.
But what's the point of confronting someone after you've created the opportunity for entry without using a key? If you're afraid the person is a criminal, confronting them might increase the chance that the person would attack you. And in the case of the woman in this recent incident, after letting the man in and treating him in a way that you wouldn't treat a good person, why would she get in the elevator with him and go up into a more private space, perhaps even to unlock her door, where she could be the victim of a push-in attack? Her behavior isn't consistent with the suspicion she expresses. If she's really is suspicious that he's a criminal — which is what her words expressed — why didn't she get the hell out of the building?
I know there have been several stories like this lately, and it always seems to be white women. I agree with everyone who thinks that it's horrible to make black people feel they're going to be regarded as intruders when they are doing completely ordinary things, but I would also like to understand what is motivating these white women to become confrontational? It's not consistent with feeling vulnerable and afraid, unless they are also delusional and think police will always instantly appear and save them from the conflict they create.
October 16, 2018
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 322 of 322I would never, ever do that gal.
Ever.
Regardless of the jabber stuff (which would prevent her from being hot, if she was otherwise hot). She is not hot.
Not at all.
Gross.
IMHO.
Crack: "Again: There is absolutely no reason, for any black person to drop their guard, living with such as this."
Crack takes time out from holding all white people today responsible for all crimes throughout history to complain about what some people say about him.
Discuss.
Notice what Crack is not warning blacks about: hispanic and black gangs in their neighborhoods.
Nope. All cool.
Some guy posts a description on the internet which perfectly captures what Crack's schtick is all about? End Of The World.
Can someone provide evidence, rather than supposition, that she is a racist? I see a somewhat officious women trying to be what she thinks is a diligent and responsible neighbor. She thinks he got in without a fob, hence the demand to see the fob. When he refuses to show it she decides to follow him, presumably believing he is not actually a resident. Isn’t this the sort of thing you get praised for when the guy turns out to be an intruder? At many workplaces she is supposed to insist he scan his fob.
In any case, what specific statement or action can be explained only by racial animus or bigotry?
Crack should meditate. Try some Yoga. Healing Cyrstals. Take a course.
Seriously Dude you need to chill.
Does anyone else think that sometimes Althouse hits post, grins wickedly, rubs her hands together and says, "That'll get 'em going!"
Anyone?
Some fussy gals go in a different direction than the door guard gal that Althouse is linking to:
https://br-stream.com/stream/woman-defends-2-spanish-speakers-harassed-at-colorado-supermarket-o_BdYDrGll0.html
I Wouldn't do her, either. But at least she seems to be a better (though scream-y-er) person.
So, is this a case of unrequited flirtation, that progressed to allegations of diversity?
The flirtation theory is cracked.
I blogged about Horseface. Look more carefully.
Ok,
Listen up ladies.
There is a right way to be a fussy gal:
https://assets.teenvogue.com/photos/5bb7b2809a9679756d5fbe91/master/w_1514/DosPUMNX0AIvpHE.jpg
On Fire!
“Ann posted, proudly, about chasing a guy in a wheel chair she whose behavior she objected to. She accosted him, followed him, talked to him, questioned him. Isn’t this woman doing pretty much the same thing?”
I didn’t chase him. I reacted to him as he was in the middle of running into me, trying to power his wheelchair across my foot!
" If she's really is suspicious that he's a criminal — which is what her words expressed — why didn't she get the hell out of the building?"
You can be a thief without being dangerous. She obviously was not scared of him, but also thought he did not belong in the building. Both things can be true.
"I reacted to him as..."
Technically Althouse didn't just react to him. She treated him w/ the respect that most others had withheld from him. She didn't coddle him as if he was a cup of coffee that happened to not have a lid. She gave him the full pot hole, pull yourself up by yur boots POV. Very right-wingy.
This bothers me a lot; people just hang out by both the front and back doors. It has reached the point where I've gone, had dinner, come back and the same people are there. Despite us having security.
This is why I live in a house in the suburbs. If someone's hanging around my door all day I call the cops.
That woman suspected the man of meaning to do something criminal, and I was in the middle of having a crime committed against me.
Also she called the cops. I informed him that he was committing a crime and I could call the cops, but I didn’t.
I have refrained from calling the cops a number of times in my life and, looking back, I think some of those jerks deserve my kindness to them.
You can be a thief without being dangerous. She obviously was not scared of him, but also thought he did not belong in the building. Both things can be true.
There may be some context missing here. It's possible this happened after a string of break-ins or attacks.
I think some of those jerks deserve my kindness to them.
Do deserve?
I didn’t chase him. I reacted to him as he was in the middle of running into me, trying to power his wheelchair across my foot!
Don't you think that comment is an intentional demonstration of how easy it is to misrepresent events? A couple of omissions and the story changes radically.
""I think some of those jerks deserve my kindness to them."
Do deserve?"
FTR, I'm sure Althouse was doing more complex calculations. E.g., for her to "call the cops" would not have been w/o an impact on herself.
Folks are doing a benefit/cost calc in these situations. It's possible that the better thing for humanity would be to call the cops. But, maybe not for Althouse, or whoever.
I dunno.
If you really wanted to be kind you should have jerked off the guy in the wheelchair.
A jerk for the jerk.
The Louie CK solution.
Lanford = best wingman eva!
I remember the wheelchair post.
While I thought that Althouse had a few anger issues, since this was a significant portion of her post, her characterization is accurate to a point.
This woman thought that the black man's motive to enter the building was crime.
Althouse thought that the wheelchair man PURPOSEFULLY ran over her foot: i.e. was motivated to harm her.
Since I wasn't there, and she is so generous as to give us this blog, I will give her the benefit of the doubt to the accuracy of her statement.
BUT...that is exceptionalism and special treatment due to privilege, not an honest assessment that both women were inferring motives...which might have been horribly wrong.
She did not show any street smarts, and actually escalated, rather than defused the confrontation.
This is either completely staged, or an airBnB rage moment.
We recently stayed in Vancouver, and used an airBnB. The entry, and elevators of our airBnB were liberally decorated with signs reminding everyone that airBnBs are not allowed.
He was just trying to get her attention and he couldn't reach her pig tails.
"It's possible this happened after a string of break-ins or attacks."
In inner city St. Louis? Possibly.
Some paranoid white broad overreacts to some black guy ( who looks upper middle class judging from the photo) and it gets her fired and in the meantime this incident raises a ruckus on the internet way out of proportion to what actually occurred. Yes the woman is a jerk and she should apologize to the guy and he should gallantly accept the apology and as a gentleman ( and the best revenge) ask her employer to take her back ( as well as using his key fob in the future).
Or in the words of Bob Dylan, "some people have a lot of knives and forks on their table, and they just gotta cut something.
As the Professor points out she had no fear of him. She just wanted to enforce the rules against someone. And who wants to live around that neighborliness.
"The flirtation theory is cracked."
Maybe, but watch the video around -2:20 to -2:00. Head down a bit with eyes wide open and making direct eye contact. Eyelashes fluttering. Hair toss. A brief, coy smile. Did not step back from close physical proximity. Then she went into the elevator with him and seemed relaxed and comfortable, leaning against the wall.
That was an available woman expressing interest.
After a final rejection she called the cops.
Also, Black ex-husband.
The brother missed an opportunity.
"The brother missed an opportunity."
She's not hot. What was missed?
One of the times I had to work to squirm outa a gal lookin' for dick, she offered that I could go w/ the back door.
Yikes! Not an incentive.
What's wrong w/ (so many) humans?
BTW,
There's some connection to Rabel jabbering about a dude that's desperate for anything he can get (like the gal here), and some gal upthread who jabbered about Jordan saying he's scared around guys but he thinks he's tougher than a lot of gals.
Normal folks don't think about an F-ing ripped, hot (w/ big dick), rich, fighter-trained dude.
Too hard to unpack that last sentence. At least twenty thousand words.
Carry on.
"I think some of those jerks deserve my kindness to them."
BTW, assuming this isn't a typo, i.e., "deserve" shouldn't be "don't deserve," let's explore.
According to her, people have committed prosecutable crimes against Althouse, but those criminals deserve to not be accountable, according to her. Their criminality is acceptable and should go w/o repercussions.
IMHO, this doesn't stand. If our culture has decided that something is illegal: we, as citizens, need to have a default support re such. Sure, there may be "civility BS", but there shouldn't be "criminal law BS" such that we participate in nullification. If there is such, reform of the justice system would be the solution. To change the laws that are meant to protect people. The solution is not becoming an apologist for a con man.
IMHO.
Andrew Jackson. James Polk. Andrew Johnson.
All the people they killed can be excused because whites weren't kind to each other.
I'm not stupid enough to suggest that the Nazi Holocaust--which was white people killing white people, Crack--"excuses" slavery. Just making the rather obvious point that Hutus can murder Tutsi without any white people in the room.
Zen Buddhism is clearly not the only way to wipe the mind clean as a Kamikaze.
Christianity is nice that way. But other faiths find other paths. As Bob Marley put it, "none but ourselves can free our minds." That's why he was happy. He was a free man.
Or, to put it another way, why enslave yourself to some ghosts from the 19th century?
I feel for the person who called the cops when they looked out the window and saw a black child cutting their lawn.
Instead of confronting the child, and perhaps scaring him, the people chose to be non-confrontational. They called the police -- Office Friendly's in their community -- to explain nicely to the boy that he was trespassing and has not been paid to cut this particular lawn. He was confused over the boundaries, and the adult who hire him did not correct him.
So the white couple -- perhaps elderly? -- gets called racist because they chose not to confront the boy directly and order him to get off their lawn, and not cut it. (Some people are very particular about lawn work.)
Damned if you do;
damned if you don't...
Those white people were in the right though. Didn't show their faces, didn't end up on tape teaching/talking to the boy, didn't have a confrontation with the neighbor who inadvertently sent the child onto their lawn...
Damned if you do.
Damned if you don't.
Kid is the victim, of course. Because he's black. I bet that's what he "learned" from the innocuous trespass...
"Some people have learned to tolerate behaviors of others that can harm them."
I think some folks say that gals will stay w/ an abusive dude. So, I guess it is common. Presumably especially when a gal is financially not independent. I guess.
And FTR, perfume, cleaning stuff and paint VOCs probably aren't actually harming most folks.
So don't forget about the hypochondriac angle.
Is there a word that combines hypochondriac and racist impulses?
Asking for a Mery friend.
If he ran over your foot he either stopped or proceeded. I assume he proceeded. In that case you did in some sense chase him. You certainly accosted him, and as FIDO shrewdly observes, drew inferences about him on which you acted. You feel you were being a good citizen, culturally enforcing a norm to protect others. Why cannot this lady say the same thing. Look, if Crack Emcee is right — the issue is leave people alone always — then you were wrong in the chair incident. If you were right, then wh6 is it impossible for her to have been right?
Ken,
She already told you.
One situation involves a certain infraction, the other is a bunch of electrical activity between the ears of a weirdo, who is not hot, w/ all sortsa ambiguity.
Duh.
And, please stop being boring.
“She didn't coddle him as if he was a cup of coffee that happened to not have a lid.“
I was actually going to make a similar comment about this woman. What she did was in a way the opposite of racist, because she treated him the way she would treat any stranger coming into the building. She didn’t think, oh, I better not say anything for fear of being labeled racist. She showed more respect for him than he showed her.
So James is in favor of potholes.
Got it.
Did folks here that Dennis Hof (GOP candidate and pimp) was just found dead, by Ron Jeremey?
It's just like Scalia w/ the pillow on his head, again.
Try and keep it together cons.
Please.
Reading the comments most of you are either fucking crazy or never lived in a condo or apartment building with security.
This women is doing exactly what she should do - up to a point. Challenging this stranger as to what apartment he's in. And the guy's a complete dick. What's the big secret? She told him HER apartment number, why didn't he then just say "Oh, Hi - I'm in Apt 404".
That's what I've done when I lived in a condo/Apartment. That what other people did - when I asked them. Sometimes they said, "Oh, I don't live here, I'm visiting X in Apt 312".
Of course, I never pushed it. And never checked to make sure. And where is the racism?
W/ this post Althouse is implying:
“Here we go again with you’re guilty until proven innocent.”
OOPs, my bad. That was actually DJT saying that the Saudis are to Khashoggi as Kavanaugh is to attempted rape in high school.
IOW, two wrongs make a right. Technically, each wrong independently is also cool. According to POTUS.
Rcocean
Exactly. I have asked where, other than supposition, is anything racist?
Ann is being pretty obtuse here in thinking the only issue is fearing an attack. She clearly does not fear him. But she doesn’t *believe* him. Believe all men?
He could have just shown her the fob.
Ann arrogated the right to cultural enforcement of norms but is unwilling to consider this woman might have thought she was doing the same thing.
Just imagine this woman were a higher education institution. "I took a holistic decision, in which race only counted as one factor out of many".
And yet nobody believed her and she was fired.
Universities not only get away with this, but are encouraged by Grutter vs. Bollinger to couch their admission decisions in such language.
Time to fire all of them.
Woman with Dog: Excuse me, do you live here?
Rc: Sure. Why do you ask?
Woman: What Apartment?
RC: You tell me yours
Woman: Apt 307.
RC: Cool. I live in 403. what's your name?
Woman: Blah
RC: Nice to meet you blah. I'm Rc. Good you're making sure the building is secure.
Woman: Have a nice day.
RC: YOu too.
Ken B:
I agree. Every apartment/Condo complex has these types. There's nothing racial about it.
Of course, maybe its some Black guy thing to be all super secretive and feel you're being "dissed" when you're not.
But I'm not Black - so maybe it isn't.
The cool thing about RC's hypo, is that you can tell exactly where RC takes over the script.
It's interesting to see the subtlety re nerd v folks w/ game.
Weird.
If the point hasn't already been made here, the woman was an asshole. I had the same reaction as Prof. Althouse: if she thought the man was possibly an intruder, up to no good, why would she engage him and enter an enclosed space with him where she was putting herself at risk of harm? Even assuming she couldn't accept he lived in the building up to the point where he got off at his floor, how did she think he was able to open his apartment door? She called the police after seeing him enter his apartment.
She was determined not to lose face in this encounter, so she made herself look a fool and got herself fired on top of it. I'm sorry she lost her job, as I'm sorry when anyone loses their job as a result of a one-off instance of being an asshole. (But then, maybe she's asshole all of the time. )But,sometimes, being an asshole generates unexpected payback.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/us/chinedu-okobi-police-killing.html?action=click&module=In%20Other%20News&pgtype=Homepage&action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage
Not surprised at all that it's women in these viral videos. Even though the original post is old, there's this George Takei post that's still circulating on my social media feeds of a twitter thread asking women to share all the things they would finally be able to do if only there were a curfew for men.
You spend years tellung women that it's legitimate and mentally healthy to fear an entire gender and then you wonder why they behave accordingly.
Well Cook, when we legally mandate that every decision be made by asking “What would Cook do?” you'll have a point. As it is you are attacking her for thinking he might be a thief but not thinking he might be a rapist. This is just what is wrong with you and Ann. You insist on the right to second guess her, and to punish her for not making your choices, but you won’t concede the th8ng she was right about: he wasn’t a rapist or a mugger or Ted Bundy.
So I caught the last 30 seconds of The Connor Family.
She can get her job back if she can prove she might be 1/1024 part Cherokee. Apparently that's easy to do.
The article sounds like she work for the building. Which else fired her?
The black guy was a jerk. He should have just showed her his fob or told her his apartment number.
Did you hear the one about the I-75 traffic jam backing up for hours at stand still. But 1/4 mile up is an exit ramp reachable easily by using the emergency lane. But that is against the rules, so one self appointed rule enforcer blocks that lane to stop cheaters from getting a break.
What causes that thought and action. Pure legalism pride. No amount of danger , danger fear explains these hostile type of people.
Ann is as nonplussed as ever about a story that she is basically too tired to read. But she asks, I think in genuine confusion:
I would also like to understand what is motivating these white women to become confrontational with black people who are only doing completely ordinary things.
Ann, please open your eyes and recognize that white men have persuaded many white women to fear black men and boys. The women, under the thumb of their men, feel they can bully and abuse blacks because they know that when the police arrive, they will come as backup. These women see blacks as a danger ipso facto, just as their men have told them. Look up this concept of 'the other." There's an English word for it: racism, the idea that black people don't rate with you. That you are blind to this is emblematic of the views of your through the glass darkly tribe.
Trad guy
Here's a hypothetical. A man steps on my foot in a crowded baseball park. I confront him, tell him about laws on assault and battery, and say stuff about cops. Hostile type? Legalism pride?
Actually, yeah that sounds right.
Note I did say she was officious.
But is that proof of racism? I'd say not. If she was just looking for a chance to play Rule Enforcer she probably would have done it to white folks too.
Yes Annie C, it took me awhile to get to comment 259 - but there must be some gleefully rubbing of hands as she places the cat, err, blog amongst the pigeons.
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The woman was wrong to do what she did, but for some off reason, did not want to lose face in backing down. Maybe it is a signals thing, more than it being racial or gender. Some people just don't have the norms figured out. History is filled with sufficient example of people not reading other people right.
On the other other hand, this whole "everyone gets to film everyone else" - while revealing some real gems of human behaviour - isn't a great development. In my opinion.
If you want to argue it is, well then, let Skynet film EVERY blessed thing as if we are all Truman show. Every last defecating thing. Not just one encounter. Follow one and all. See who stands up.
No more he said she said. No more wondering who kicked a hole in the widow Jones fence. No more sneaking out for a drink with Larry.
Everyone gets to be a star, until they are revealed as crooked timber.
I'm surprised rhhardin hasn't brought up our collective 86 IQ as a good reason why that speech wasn't possible.
IQ only comes up when there are outcome-based discrimination tests. Blacks are sure they're being discriminated against and whites are tired of being accused of it. A built-in instability in society.
Good character doesn't depend on IQ and is what would determine good speech.
JP: "Ann, please open your eyes and recognize that white men have persuaded many white women to fear black men and boys."
If ever a human being existed that understood the innermost thoughts of white women it is John Pickering.
Obviously.
Now, just because Pickering is basically utterly clueless as to supply and demand and the most rudimentary thinking related to economics, that should in no way affect how we assess his ability to have complete understanding of the fairer sex.
@ken B ...what makes you think she doesn't do that rule enforcer show off act to the white men too.?
but I would also like to understand what is motivating these white women to become confrontational? It's not consistent with feeling vulnerable and afraid, unless they are also delusional and
No, dear, that's modern liberal cultural feminism. Get in their face! They're afraid of you! You can say he touched your bewb! 98 lb Summer Glau throws 300 lb reavers through the air! Minorities aren't really frightening!
Call it overreliance on the dog-does-not-bite-bitch rule. They're not smart enough to show/act fear/caution. Yapping Yorkies who think the big dog owes them.
When exactly did 'racism' become the most terrible, awful, no-good thing to ever happen? Why must we hear about 'racism' every single mf'ng day?
People hate each other for all types of reasons. I don't see why hating someone for skin color or ethnicity is so much worse than hating someone for red hair, glasses, ideology, socioeconomic status, education level, geography or any other thing.
People hate each other. They always have and always will. F all this boring, repetitive, pointless whining over 'racism'.
Althouse, did you delete my post? So quickly? Surely not, I must have fudged the publish. Ah well.
The second thing I was going to say, EP can stand in for all on his side:
Earnest Prole said...
As long as we’re trucking in stereotypes, Becky lives in a luxury loft in downtown St. Louis, so the chances she’s a Hillary Clinton/Elizabeth Warren supporter approach 1:1. But it's certainly chivalrous for the men here to defend her simply because she's white.
10/16/18, 2:50 PM
Without knowing who, whom, a push in or social engineering into a self-service building along with a woman is definitely one of the top 10 rape scenarios.
Perhaps the polite way to handle this would be, if someone is stacked up on the door behind you or next to you, to stand back and invite them to precede you, using their key. If they stall, you could always make the excuse of having forgotten something in the car.
I also have no issue with a reasonably polite query of the other party to get some idea whether they live or belong in the building. You owe con men, or women, nothing.
Once they're in, it's awkward. If afraid, don't be alone confined with them. If unafraid, you may choose to see what floor they get off at and what apartment they go to and whether they have a key or are admitted. Security begins with each of us.
People opposing this reaction are either assholes like Earnest Prole, or like Rabel, just don't understand the scenario, perhaps because suburban? I haven't read the story so I don't know what city this was in, but in New York it's absolutely the drill to practice caution in such a case.
I agree with everyone who thinks that it's horrible to make black people feel they're going to be regarded as intruders when they are doing completely ordinary things, but I would also like to understand what is motivating these white women to become confrontational? It's not consistent with feeling vulnerable and afraid, unless they are also delusional and think police will always instantly appear and save them from the conflict they create.
Well, DUH. Then it's even more obviously racism. They feel too superior to these black men to even experience whatever fear they claim would dissuade them from confronting a white guy like that.
Your observation is quite the set up. It answers itself.
Oh no, yapping Yorkies, it posted. Stupid Blogger glitch, whatevs.
"perhaps because suburban"
People like that classification. I see it and I see, at best, SUBurban. But, I sorta see subhuman.
The ticky tacky developments of, at best, McMansions.
The commute. To not a shitty area...er...oops....I mean to not-sub urban area.
Anywho, that word is weird to me.
John Pickering said...
Ann, please open your eyes and recognize that white men have persuaded many white women to fear black men and boys.
Right, women can't make their own decisions.
Finding a way to blame the scapegoat is classic bigotry, how pathetic.
If this black dude turns out to be a dude that gals are into (it's not at all obvious in this link Althouse is using), I think the not-hot white girl is the victim.
Poor thing.
So SAD!
Jordan Peterson may need to promote cultural norms re monogamy so this gal can stop getting dumped. Not just nerd guys.
BTW, is anything more ironic than a so-called science person who doesn't understand you can't legislate or shame folks into wanting to spend their lives (and/or cum) w/ dorks.
I watched the video, but was sorely disappointed at the lack of cursing. Couldn't we have had some of the B word, maybe in combination with the F word? Maybe throw in a little of the S word too? I realize it might be too much to hope for even one use of the C word, but that would have been awesome.
Security begins with each of us.
As they say,"If you see something, say something." But not if the something is a black man, because you will get fired.
Anywho, that word is weird to me.
10/16/18, 8:43 PM
Not enough dressing on earth to choke down that word salad but we know one thing is clear, anti-de Sitter space likes rape. He's rich though, so it's OK.
Professor Althouse wrote:
I blogged about Horseface. Look more carefully.
Indeed you did! I was foal-ish to not look more carefully. I was afraid that you were being sulky and giving the subject a colt shoulder.
Ann, please open your eyes and recognize that white men have persuaded many white women to fear black men and boys.
Someone needs to look at the FBI's violent crime statistics again.
There's a great scene in Raising Arizona where Nic Cage waits next to a newspaper dispenser and slyly holds it open with his foot when someone comes to buy a paper.
He opens the dispenser and takes a copy, free of charge.
Say that reminds me: what's black and white and read all over?
Hof died in his sleep at his Love Ranch in Pahrump, Nevada, on October 16, 2018, following a party for his 72nd birthday that had been attended by Flavor Flav, Joe Arpaio, Grover Norquist and Ron Jeremy, the last of whom found Hof unresponsive.
Trad guy
I do think she would do that to a white guy. So, again, where is the evidence of racism?
Let me guess: You're not a female.
I'm a dude, yeah. And I didn't intend to pass judgement. I was just thinkning that it's hard enough being responsible for ones own safety, let alone everyone elses.
Hey, don't give in to the hostess like that. We already know she's sexist so stick up for yourself. You're trying to make a point and she's playing the fucking feminist gender game.
Look at the facts of this situation: a white woman confronted a black man with respect to his right to be in the secured apartment complex. The incident was resolved peaceably (unfortunately, only a presumption that they both went to their respective apartments). She was fired from her unrelated job for this incident. While her behavior appears based on the footage to be condemnable, does this require some, after the fact punishment and to what extent?
Since we cannot tell whether she is, in fact, racist and only see the perception of a racial incident. There are cameras everywhere. The takeaway, as a white person, is that interactions with black people must be handled carefully, lest there be a perception of racism - with the severe penalty, regardless of any actual racism, of loss of job. This creates a self-fulfilling prophecy that interactions between black-white people have a racial undertone.
A solution is for white people to not interact with black people - which, again, demonstrates an inherent racism.
A very sad state of affairs.
Saint Croix said...
"Or, to put it another way, why enslave yourself to some ghosts from the 19th century?"
You see a difference between this crew and the folks in the 19th century? When I see Drago, langford peel, etc., I see the same idiots from the 19th century - but with high speed internet.
The man should be fired from HIS job for harassing and intimidating a neighbor who was only following safety protocol, filming it and putting it online, thus invading her privacy and subjecting her to more harassment. Living in apartments for 45 years, I must have gotten about 2 dozen letters from the landlord or management saying there was a recent burglary, the burglar entered behind a resident, so don’t EVER let anyone enter with you whom you don’t know!!! Instead if being fired, she should have been given a promotion for her leadership qualities: she put herself at risk for the sake of protecting others.
‘Golfcart Gail’ calls cops on black dad at his kid’s soccer game
Just horrible people.
#CornerstoreCaroline Wants to Press Charges Against the Mother of Falsely Accused Child
'They were scared they would say the wrong thing and get him arrested': White parents tell of the distress their children suffered when stranger called 911 on their babysitter because he was black
It's the intimacy American whites forced on blacks that makes their current behavior both confounding and yet all too understandable.
Interesting posts Crack.
Women can be vicious and more vindictive in a fight than a man.
The Becky situation is s great example of that.
Something like this happens to me every year: I leave my dog in the car for a few minutes on a nice day, and come back to find The Ultimate Authority on Dogs Dying in Cars salivating at the prospect of scolding someone who will be defenseless. It has always been a white person, usually young, pre-loaded with information about why I'm a dog torturer. As I think the video here reflects, these people just assume the other person will fold, and lack a game plan if he or she doesn't. You can literally see the air go out of them if you tell them you think they're really motivated to interfere, rather than to actually improve the situation.
What this lady should have asked herself is, if I didn't confront this guy, would I call the police or security? If the answer's no, then the extended confrontation is just theater.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6286051/White-woman-calls-cops-black-father-yelling-instructions-son-game.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6286051/White-woman-calls-cops-black-father-yelling-instructions-son-game.html
Why is it when I call the police it takes them forever to show up?
I must live in the wrong neighborhood.
My view/experience on police is they are a tool.
They usually have limited resources.
They are like a knife, and if used wrongly can hurt you too.
And police can lie legally.
And in Ca have amazing pensions, pay, and political power.
Their dealing with homeless is whack a mole.
Some of them become bully’s. One threatened my parents with being declared mentally incompetent and lied to them.
Are frustrated with the we arrest and the courts let them go problem. It’s hard in Ca to get somebody through the court system.
Have amazing power to seize your property if they get upset enough.
I’m very careful in my dealings with the police. I’m
Amazed at these women risking calling the police.
John Pickering: I would also like to understand what is motivating these white women to become confrontational with black people who are only doing completely ordinary things.
First I'd make sure that these two behaviors are really a "thing":
1. Women (white women in particular) are becoming more confrontational.
2. There's a rising trend of white women harassing blacks (black men in particular) for "innocently going about their daily business while black".
I'd say the first is probably true, though it's hardly just a white women thing. But you're never gonna see the MSM flogging "obnoxious black women being pains in the ass because they know they can always pull the race card if anyone pushes back" or "crazy-beeyotch Asian chick" narratives, regardless of equally abundant evidence for the phenomena.
As for the second, I'd bet it's a non-existent media- and socia-media manufactured "trend", which many here seem to be accepting uncritically. Don't be so gullible, people. The proportion of Edna Kravitzes in the white women population is probably not above the historical average.
I watched the video and find the idea that something "racist" is going on here laughable. Whatever the wisdom of confronting him or following him, there was nothing unreasonable about the woman asking for evidence of residence. I can see having one's teeth set on edge by the woman's extremely annoying whiny voice, but he could have just shown the fob and sailed through. Instead he went for the "touchy black man, I'm being dissed for being black, how dare you question my black self" act, and then goes full drama-queen making and posting a video. Which is of course crack for media morons. Racism!
She's annoying (God, that voice), but I mark him down as being the more childish of the two here.
Which is of course crack for media morons. Racism!
And - don't forget - it was crack for Crack.
Ann Althouse said...Her behavior isn't consistent with the suspicion she expresses.
Wait, I've been told over and over again that we can't apply what we think is logical to the behavior of "victims" or "survivors" and that any action they take is consistent with their self-reported mental state at the time. Right? Is that no longer true?!
Like...Anita Hill said she was disgusted by and afraid of the monster Clarence Thomas after the horrible things he put her through. She then continued to work for him and followed him to new jobs for quite some time afterwards. Some backwards people said "that behavior and those choices are not consistent with feeling afraid of this man" but smart feminists shouted that this was incorrect, that survivors behave in different ways, and that anyone who questioned behavior in that way was a "rape apologist."
You're not a rape apologist, are you Professor Althouse?
"The man should be fired from HIS job for harassing and intimidating a neighbor who was only following safety protocol, filming it and putting it online, thus invading her privacy and subjecting her to more harassment. Living in apartments for 45 years, I must have gotten about 2 dozen letters from the landlord or management saying there was a recent burglary, the burglar entered behind a resident, so don’t EVER let anyone enter with you whom you don’t know!!! Instead if being fired, she should have been given a promotion for her leadership qualities: she put herself at risk for the sake of protecting others."
So, the man being harassed by the blonde woman was harassing and intimidating her?? In your bizarro world, maybe, but not in the real world. Once she saw him enter his apartment with his key, she should should have accepted that he lived in the building and let it go. He even told her his name before closing his door. Instead, she still called the police on him. This is what turns her behavior from intrusive and annoying to abusive.
Crack, if you can't see a difference, then you are a stupid person.
AT THIS POINT, one side is for the Rule of Law, and one is for the Rule of Women.
Three words to make my point on the major difference: Title IX Investigations.
Not a Republican idea.
You want to be seduced; plied with benefits and ego buffs and 'stroking'. Like a girl demanding the world before she puts out. Well,we haven't 'had' you for the last 50 years and we are winning just fine, thanks. You are like a '4' at the prom acting like she's a '9'. A '4', by the way, who has spent the last 50 years talking smack about the Right.
Good luck with that. Stay with the crazy party if you think they are a better deal.
And maybe some others in your tribe are a bit more foresightful. It won't take many because we are already Many and the Dems are eating their own.
"...police can lie legally."
How so? In what circumstances?
Ann Althouse said...It's not consistent with feeling vulnerable and afraid, unless they are also delusional and think police will always instantly appear and save them from the conflict they create.
There you go again questioning the actions and behavior of survivors! That kind of thing can cost a person their job these days. Also this could be taken as a sly backdoor agreement with anti-feminists who complain about the inconsistent portrayal of women (simultaneously "just as strong/tough as the guys" and also in constant need of protection by the State and/or men who are obligated to protect them). The trope of a woman "stirring up shit" and then expecting to be both protected from and held blameless for the consequences of her actions is well known...but I'm pretty sure it's not one feminists in good standing strongly oppose. I'm worried about you Professor!
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Anyway of course she was fired. Seeming to be racist in one's personal life is grounds for instant termination and ostracism, obviously. Being rude to a minority = racism of the ugliest sort.
The only news value is that the person doing the racist thing is, as a woman, also a member of a protected class and the infraction could in part be explained by appeal to a concern we understand that class to have--violence by men against women. If the guy had been white she surely could have played the "safety as a woman" card successfully but since he's a minority his "stereotyping black men as potential criminals = racist" card beat her "expressing fear of violence as a woman even without rational justification" card. She'll lose every time; sorry lady.
I guess we're all just cool with the punishment for something like this being loss of job. Seems wrong to me but people seem to agree with the mob that a person with incorrect beliefs--even if expressed just once through some interpersonal rudeness--shouldn't be allowed to have a job/earn a living/feed their family. All, of course, in the name of love and tolerance.
stldcr said...A solution is for white people to not interact with black people - which, again, demonstrates an inherent racism.
This was a small part of Derbyshire's "advice" column, wasn't it, with respect to white people dealing with black people they don't know? If the risk exists that interacting in any way can be taken as racist and since the punishment for being accused of racism is loss of one's job (income, career, etc) then the safe play is to simply avoid interacting with black people unknown to you as much as possible. That's an unpleasant result.
When you make a group of people dangerous you encourage people to avoid them! No one blames young black men for wanting to avoid the police: cops are dangerous to them. The same logic holds if you make black people dangerous to interact with--the irony being that they'd be dangerous NOT because of some propensity for violence (which belief is ugly racism, of course) but instead because of the potential for some bad interaction to be perceived as proof of racism and thus grounds for termination and ostracism!
I guess we're all just cool with the punishment for something like this being loss of job. Seems wrong to me but people seem to agree with the mob that a person with incorrect beliefs--even if expressed just once through some interpersonal rudeness--shouldn't be allowed to have a job/earn a living/feed their family. All, of course, in the name of love and tolerance.
A good point. But what if she was an annoying bitch at work, or a pilferer, or lazy? Just try to fire a woman from a job in this day and age without absolute, irrefutable, glaring, NCIC-grade proof of wrongdoing. It may have simply been convenient for a white, male boss to use a lucky-draw race-card to be rid of a nosy old white lady!
You can't fault a victim of contemporary racial and sexual discrimination (the white, male boss) of using a windfall race-card to rid himself of a nasty maenad!
Robert Cook said...
"...police can lie legally."
How so? In what circumstances?
"We've got footage of you committing the crime--if you sign this confession now we'll make sure the DA only charges you with a misdemeanor."
"Your buddy is in the next room saying you did it. Just tell us where you dropped the goods off and you can go home tonight."
And how did the defendant seem to you when he made his statement Officer Jones? "Well he was shifty and nervous, not at all like an innocent person would be, and I could tell he was trying to deceive us and felt guilty."
When the customer opened the door and found me there with the pizza, he became agitated. He asked me how I got in the building. I told him. He then proceeded to berate me and complain loudly about my "defeating" the security of the building.
My reply would have been "Do you still want your pizza?"
I hope he tipped well.
"The takeaway, as a white person, is that interactions with black people must be handled carefully, lest there be a perception of racism'
No, the takeaway is that you should avoid all any possible confrontation or disagreement with any black person, because you will be presumed a racist.
Now the ACLU is calling this hapless woman a "white supremecist".
Ok. I know cops can lie legally in trying to obtain information from suspects in interrogations. They cannot, however, legally lie if they're testifying in court...that's perjury.
This doesn't mean cops don't perjure themselves when testifying.
Blogger HoodlumDoodlum said...
"I guess we're all just cool with the punishment for something like this being loss of job...."
No, I don't think any reasonable person is, black or white. However, facts in this one case - anecdotal and far from common - demonstrate that cool, or not, this is a potential result.
FIDO said...
"Stay with the crazy party if you think they are a better deal."
If you guys don't know what political party I'm in, why do you assume to know my political views?
That's "crazy" to me.
Robert Cook said...
Ok. I know cops can lie legally in trying to obtain information from suspects in interrogations. They cannot, however, legally lie if they're testifying in court...that's perjury.
This doesn't mean cops don't perjure themselves when testifying.
Worse; it's my understanding that the current case means that if a cop perjures themselves while testifying that is not by itself sufficient grounds to overturn a conviction or give reason for an appeal. Which, you know, is pretty bad.
Also how often are cops prosecuted for perjury? I guess it comes down to what value we use for "can."
No, the takeaway is that you should be a racist because any possible confrontation or disagreement or interaction with any black person, will turn to shit.
Follow Deryshires rules and avoid all contact with them.
Treat them the way Pence treats broads.
These people are not worth the bother.
If you don't believe me just follow everyone's interactions with Crack on this board.
Fernandistein said...
Now the ACLU is calling this hapless woman a "white supremecist".
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Y'all know she's married to a black man, right?
Looks to be of reproductive age too...
(Is this part of some kind of white supremacist undercover "master" plan? Shesh. The generations collide further...)
JPS, I wish I could claim some great diplomatic coup, but the truth is I think the guy actually did apologize (sort of) after he pushed past. Certainly had no thought at the time about giving the man a way out.
The Crack Emcee said...
It's the intimacy American whites forced on blacks that makes their current behavior both confounding and yet all too understandable.
10/17/18, 7:56 AM
If the Founding Fathers had foreseen the state of racial relations today, there would have been no 3/5 Compromise; instead, all ratifiers of the Constitution would have agreed to punish the importation of African blacks with death by crucifixion for the importers and immediate repatriation for the blacks.
Does it ever occur to you to wonder why blacks made such good slaves? Not that they were strong or healthy or immune to malaria, I mean. The servility, the willingness to tolerate being owned and commanded.
The colonizers likely had ample access to Indians as slaves, for instance, but that didn't work out. Instead they went to all the trouble and expense of importing them from thousands of miles away over the ocean.
Why were blacks such good slaves?
She felt he was a risk to break and enter but not to assault her.
She hates the idea of others letting tailgaters in without challenge so does her part bravely.
She was overcome with indignation at the idea of someone who didn't live there following her in and didn't consider the risk.
You can find plenty of security cam videos of men assaulting+robbing old/female people at their apartment or hotel door. So it's a bit ridiculous to pretend that she shouldn't be afraid of such things.
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