September 29, 2018

Elena Kagan won't talk about the Kavanaugh controversy, but she will talk about how the Court functions with only 8 Justices.

Kagan was speaking at UCLA law school on Thursday night, and she spoke with experience about the problem of an 8-Justice Court's vulnerability to 4-4 splits, since that is the situation her Court confronted for the year that passed between the death of Antonin Scalia and the swearing-in of Neil Gorsuch.
"None of us wanted to look as if the court couldn’t do its job," she said. "I think we all felt as though the country needed to feel that the court was a functioning institution no matter what was happening outside."...

She said justices engaged in lengthier discussions at the time and even worked on finding agreement on smaller points when they couldn’t settle the larger issues at stake.... Even with a full court, Kagan said consensus-building, “especially perhaps in a time of acrimony and partisanship in the country at large, makes a lot of sense.”

“The court’s strength as an institution in American governance depends on people believe in it having a certain legitimacy ... that it is not simply an extension of politics,” she said.
I read that to mean that it's more important to sustain belief in a myth than to see the actual truth. The myth is that the Supreme Court is "not simply an extension of politics." I note that she phrases the myth at a more easily credible level than what some people would like us to believe — such as the Court is completely above all politics. That is, after all, the myth that prevails at confirmation hearings, where the nominees all say that they will do nothing but decide cases according to the law and no political leanings will come into play and distort their entirely legal reasoning. Kagan only says that the Court decides cases in a way that is "not simply an extension of politics."

Not "simply," but how about complexly? Not merely "an extension" of the politics, but isn't it, as it operates independently, doing something that a sophisticated person will understand to be political?

It's strange to be talking about the importance of useful beliefs over truth in the context of the controversy Kagan ostensibly seeks to avoid. What are the other institutions whose strength depends on our believing that they have a certain legitimacy?

The Senate. Should we believe in its legitimacy to keep it strong? That's not the Kagan idea. To transplant her idea to the Senate: The Senate itself should do what it can to inspire our belief it is performing its advise-and-consent role grounded in good procedure and principle. It is struggling to do that, and the struggle is much easier to see than the inner workings of the Supreme Court.

The patriarchy. Is it good for us to believe that it is legitimate? Just calling it — what is it?! — "the patriarchy" makes it sound illegitimate. I bet you — some of you — want to say it doesn't even exist. But if it does exist in America, it wants us to believe in it as something with a different name — perhaps meritocracy or individual choice. Believe in that, and you'll keep it strong.

The #MeToo movement. Its strength as an institution depends on people believing in it as having quite a lot of legitimacy. It's fragile. Overuse it and it will collapse. Won't it? If not, we should be afraid of its strength. But unlike the Supreme Court, it's not a small group of people who can consult and reach consensus about how far to extend its power and how to perform its power in public. There are millions of people who can tap the power of the movement. There's the relatively careful release of the Christine Blasey Ford allegations, and there's the follow on enthusiasm of Michael Avenatti and who knows who might suddenly speak up on social media?

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FullMoon said...
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Yancey Ward said...

I am beginning to think Ed Whalan might have been partially correct, though I wonder whether he knew certain details that are now emerging. You really should read Byron York's latest

I had missed the significance of part of the testimony from Ford Thursday because I was busy reading and writing while watching television- I missed the reference Ford made about Whalen, or it would have clicked to me who Mitchell and Ford were talking about. In summary, Whalen had proposed the theory that a friend of Kavanaugh had been the "culprit" who "assaulted" Ford, and that the friend had a house in about the right location and layout to fit Ford's description. In the testimony, Ford was forced to reveal that she had been actually "going out" with the Kavanaugh friend at the time, or at least she thinks so since her memory is so foggy as to a date. When Ford denied, in a statement to the media, that she couldn't have mistaken the friend for Kavanaugh, she conveniently forgot to mention this was because she was "going out with him" at the time, maybe. In other words, she was trying to deny Whalen's argument, but left out the one detail that would have actually supported part of Whalen's thesis- Mitchell clarified in the questioning, however- and here is the kicker that raises my suspicion- Ford tries to and has navigated around the friend by not mentioning him by name, seems to acknowledge he was at the party in question but she didn't want to get him involved in all of this (thus the non-naming of him).

This all dovetails into the July 1st 1982 calendar entry Kavanaugh made about having attended a gather with several named friends, including the one Whalen focused on, though the gathering was at another friend's house. The Democrats have lasered in on that gathering as a potential support for Ford, though it doesn't fit in any way other than that PJ Smyth, Kavanaugh, and Judge was at this gathering- there was no mention of the "2 girls", and there are several other people listed as being there. But the question I have is this- why does Ford try so strenuously to obscure the presence of the unnamed Kavanaugh friend/Ford "boyfriend?. If he was at the party Ford described, and she seems to say this in a couple of accounts, why wouldn't she want him immediately interviewed? Why wouldn't he be the first witness she pointed to? This is very, very odd behavior.

iowan2 said...

Dave Begley,
This is not their charge. They are doing a supplemental background check on Kavanaugh. They will interview Ford, ask if she knows anything about his charecter that is disqualifying. She'll say he attempted to rape her. FBI asks when that happened? A. 1982, Q. what date. A. Dont know. Q. Who was their. A. 6 or 7 people. All of the named ones have given sworn statements they know nothing of the event. Q. Where did it happen? A, No Idea. Q. Who did you tell, at the time of the alleged attack? A. Not a soul... you get the idea. They will do nothing to determine the veracity of the accusation

William said...

In high school I worried a great deal about my excessive acne which I considered the cause of all my problems. I had lots of other problems, including poverty, criminal neighbors, alcoholic father, and occasionally crazy mother, but acne is what I worried about......I never really triumphed over adversity, but I evaded, endured, denied , and rationalized it. Sometimes it helps to misdiagnose life's problems. Whatever works.

narciso said...


As for no 2

https://nypost.com/2018/09/27/second-kavanaugh-accuser-says-she-wont-participate-in-senate-probe/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook

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rhhardin said...

Everybody thinks justices are partisan but depends on the perceived fairness of the nominating procedure. That's what's being undermined.

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wholelottasplainin said...

"I am woman---hear me bleat piteously about the wrongs I've suffered on my way to accomplishment, fame and fortune."

Not a very uplifting slogan, is it....

Yet that's what many American wymyn are saying when they bitch about the patriarchy and the unfairness in their lives.

As JFK put it, "Life is unfair". Look at what happened to that Shining Prince.

William said...

There really isn't a golden pass that gets you through life unscathed. A stable family, good looks, intelligence and money certainly help, but people with those advantages frequently become hubristic. They crash and burn or go through life with the vague guilt of having left the promise of their youth unfulfilled.......Mother Theresa, before she died, would frequently ask me the secret of my moral grandeur. Tessie, I used to say, prayer and fasting will only get you so far. For the rest, you need to go to school with severe acne.

MayBee said...

Yancy- Great post. I have wondered the same thing. She did not even want his name mentioned at the hearing. I don't understand the protection of him, and I do think maybe there were lots of beers and a little more than she wanted at some point with her boyfriend.

This is a little detail, but it does stand out to me-- turning up the stereo in a friend's bedroom is unusual. Maybe it's something guys are very comfortable doing, but in the 80's everyone had a different stereo set up and being able to turn on/turn up music at a friends would be weird. I can see Kavanaugh turning up the music in his own bedroom, but the description of the house doesn't match his home, at least by location (and I'm guessing by other details, or we'd hear about it from Ford's attorneys).

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Anonymous said...

mockturtle: One thing that sets Althouse apart from other lib-fems is that she allows discourse even when it strongly opposed her own ideology. Most do not, will not. Like others, I hold both Althouse and her excellent commenters in high esteem.

Me too. (Ha.)

Althouse takes a lot of shit from her Hillbillies, and either lets it go or gives as good as she gets. Never any censoring or passive-aggressive "civility bullshit". For her commitment to free speech, I salute her.

(I'm real careful to make sure I remove any extraneous paragraph breaks at the end of my comments, though.)

Gahrie said...

Well if Federalism was honored, people in each of the states would be governing themselves and the Senate would return to the inconsequential body it was designed to be.

Repeal the 17th!

traditionalguy said...

Patriarchy? That’s not a Patriarchy. Being married to a perfect woman named Patricia now that is a Pat-riarchy.

FullMoon said...
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Francisco D said...

There really isn't a golden pass that gets you through life unscathed.

I agree William. You have to play the hand that was dealt to you as well as you can, knowing that there will be another deal in a few minutes. In life it might be a few years.

Basketball and poker have a lot of good and bad luck in them. I used to become enraged when a referee made poor calls that disadvantaged my team. I thought they were in the tank. As I matured I understood how difficult it was to ref the game. They make mistakes, but mistakes tend to be randomly distributed throughout a season.

In poker, you can become morose when dealt a string of crappy hands. You choose to either fold the hands or play them hoping for great luck or a bluffing opportunity. Over time, the good and bad hands even out. What separates the pros from the poor amateurs is the ability to make the best of good and bad hands without losing focus and hope and maintaining a clear understanding of how to manage your chips.

Ann seems to think she was dealt a relatively poor hand in high school. That is debatable, but the fact that she lingers on that hand and not the other pots that she has won is disturbing. She did not start out with as many chips as Brett Kavanaugh, but far more than most people. Both of them played their chips well and became winners in life. She is crying that it is unfair that he is a bigger winner.

Take your chips and go home Althouse. You won the game. Enjoy your victory and stop the little girl whining. It is possible to grow up and become a mature human being, even in your 60's.

Birkel said...

wwww reminds us that we must have sympathy for the orphan who murdered her parents.

Democrats are murdering the last remnants of a perception that the Court is not political.
We should feel sympathy for the murderwrs.

"Fuck you, War!" - Andrew Breitbart

wwww said...


Birkel,

On another thread you cured my infant baby to hell.

Please stay away from me & please leave me alone.

William said...

I don't get the impression that Althouse whines excessively. She wrote about what rankled her. I agree that she doesn't present the saddest story ever told, but those were the pebbles in her shoes. I cried because I had no shoes until I saw a woman limping along with pebbles in her shoes.......In Mumbai there are women who intentionally maim their children in order to make them more pitiable beggars. My parents never even thought of doing anything like that to me so far as I know. I didn't have the worst possible childhood, but it was significantly worse than Althouse's. Those are the breaks, and there's no useful moral lesson to be gleaned from any of it.

wwww said...



Althouse,

This guy concerns me.

He's talking about murder & a child again. I did not post anything remotely close to this.

He told me he wanted my infant to go to hell in a different thread.

I know no one is anonymous on the web. I'm wondering if I should be concerned about my children.


Clark said...

I got side-tracked into an analysis of puniness vs. punniness and the usage of these words over the last two centuries.

wwww said...


Birkel,

Are you trying to scare me? If not, you should stop talking about murder & children in reference to me.

I remember what you said about my baby in that other thread.


Paco Wové said...

"Do I think the last week hurt the legitimacy of SCOTUS. Yep."

Why?

wwww said...


Birkel,

I do not know if you are threatening my baby or if you got into a rare temper and made a terrible mistake by curing my infant.

There are psychopaths on the web. You've been weirdly obsessed with me about pregnancy. You went after my child and wished harm.

In case it's not obvious, you scare me as a possible safety threat to my children. Just, FYI in case you think I'm taking this as a joke.


wwww said...


Honestly Paco,

I'm too freaked out right now to engage about the analysis. I mean, no one is really ever anonymous. If someone is obliquely threatening my child the responsible thing for me to do is get the hell off the site. He went after my baby for no reason on another thread out of nowhere. Late at night, so the crowd didn't see it about a month or so ago.

& now he's talking about orphans & murder. I don't know if this is a oblique threat or what but I am freaked out.

Alex Parker has a theory on twitter if you're interested. Some other poly sci people have been talking about legitimacy & democratic republics in reference to this last week. but for me I"m gonna get off this site for now & think about this situation. My kids come way before anything, certainly before my pleasure in chatting about political analysis.

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Sebastian said...

"the issue here for Ann is pride"

But the issue for us is resentment. Or ressentiment, as we Nietzschean deplorables call it.

The pride I saw from day 1 on this blog. Though it is a sin, I thought it half-justified--by the actual superior performance of and on this blog, and by the unique tolerance only a self-possessed diva can deign to show.

But the resentment I underestimated. It explains a lot: the recollection of trivial slights as injustices resulting from the patriarchy, the construal of Roe as protecting women's bodies as sovereign territory that makes women think about morality, of course the Kavanaugh fiasco, down to the nasty details, such as believing a woman because her husband reports she showed an emotional state, and the unwillingness to call BS on the Dems' outrages--cuz to a sister in solidarity, they are not outrages, cuz aggrieved sisters have all been there, mistreated by the patriarchy, told by dad he couldn't afford Middlebury.

Sisterhood transcends sense, resentment reigns, and here we are.

FullMoon said...

& now he's talking about orphans & murder. I don't know if this is a oblique threat or what but I am freaked out.

Huh?
He is referring to the age old joke about a murderer kills his parents, then asks for mercy from the court because he is an orphan.


Ask for sympathy for a problem of your own making.
Has nothing to do with murdering you or your children
You are kinda Fording the situation.

Laslo Spatula said...

"He is referring to the age old joke about a murderer kills his parents, then asks for mercy from the court because he is an orphan."

Kinda like a woman aborting her child then complaining about not having grandchildren, I guess..

I am Laslo.

wwww said...

"Ask for sympathy for a problem of your own making.
Has nothing to do with murdering you or your children
You are kinda Fording the situation."

Yeah I am wondering if I'm overreacting here. It could kinda be a response to something I wrote, but he's talking about murder & orphans and kids again. I didn't write any comment that had anything to do with violence or orphans or children.

In another thread he cursed my baby. He told me he wanted my child to go to hell. I recently gave birth and was under care for pre-eclamsia. I'm interested in birth and outcomes. In a thread about pregnancy I was writing about pre-eclamsia and birth and he got really weird & aggressive & obsessive with me.

He's not acting like the normally argumentative partisan person. Is he a possible safety threat? Should I leave if it's even a possibility? He seems fixated on talking about children, harm to children, and pregnancy with me.

Maybe he's just a hot head who would never harm a child and cursed my baby for some other weird reason. Maybe he was aggressive about the pregnancy thread for some other reason.

He scares me. Normal people don't threaten babies.


wwww said...



i don't know. I have a baby & I'm super protective right now. So, maybe it's a over-reaction.

FullMoon said...
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wwww said...



Men are not that interested in birth & pregnancy & normal guys don't get angry about birth stories. Many men are not interested in talking about pregnancy & birth, so his aggression freaked me out from that first interaction.

& why would he curse an infant? I'm not mean to people. Why go after my baby? This isn't normal male behaviour unless he's a threat.

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Bad Lieutenant said...

If someone is obliquely threatening my child the responsible thing for me to do is get the hell off the site.

And yet you remain. Don't you love your baby? What's Althouse going to do for you? Get him arrested? For what? Banned him from the site? If he was actually a threat, and you weren't just milking this, then that would seem to be just the kind of thing to drive a crazy person over the edge.

Paco Wové said...

Birkel's 2:04pm comment seems to be a direct response to – even a partial paraphrase of – your, wwww's, 12:27pm comment. That is, it is hypocritical for D.'s to complain about "the appearance of partiality" in SCOTUS justices after doing so much to ensure it.

I think you're over-reacting, but do what you think best.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Anyway you're wasting your breath. Althouse doesn't protect anybody except himself; generously, her children.

wwww said...

Sure. Hello operator. if you believed it you would leave.
Now you are sounding pretty stupid.


Yeah I am aware of that fact.

If he is a real threat I do have to leave. I may be feeling a false sense of protection being anonymous on-line.

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wwww said...


Althouse is braver then me. & I do respect her bravery.

I saw what the commenter who cannot be named wrote the other day. That is some messed up you know what.

I'm annoyed that I have to make this decision.

FullMoon said...
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wwww said...

That is, it is hypocritical for D.'s to complain about "the appearance of partiality" in SCOTUS justices after doing so much to ensure it.

I think you're over-reacting, but do what you think best.


Thanks, I appreciate it. It's the other stuff in addition that makes me worried.

I'm pro-life so I'm not particularly interested in what Ds. think. My comment wasn't referring Ds. I want legitimacy of SCOTUS for obvious reasons. I want to change more then the laws. I want to change hearts & minds. Illegitimacy doesn't help w/ that.

wwww said...


The court is a counter-majoritarian institution. There's no elections so the Court's legitimacy is more fragile.

I wanted him to appoint Amy Coney Barrett. oh well we can't go back in time.

Paco Wové said...

But what is it that makes the Court "legitimate"? An appearance of impartiality? But many of the justices are clearly partial. Their votes can be predicted with a high degree of accuracy.

wwww said...

Pretty scary.


If you were actually scared, I sympathize. If you're teasing me, well it is what it is. I may be over-reacting. I wish he would stop addressing me with anything to do with kids & harm.

Paco Wové said...

I don't see how Barrett would be seen as any more "legitimate" than Kavanaugh, given that Kavanaugh's real "crime" is not being a liberal.

wwww said...

"But what is it that makes the Court "legitimate"? An appearance of impartiality? But many of the justices are clearly partial. Their votes can be predicted with a high degree of accuracy."

I'm not sure. I think that's a really interesting question.

I do think an appearance of impartiality helps. But respect more then anything. More then anything, the society needs to respect the institution. It's a question of what invokes that respect. I'm not sure exactly what that entails, but wide-spread questioning of it degrades that legitimacy.

wwww said...

"I don't see how Barrett would be seen as any more "legitimate" than Kavanaugh, given that Kavanaugh's real "crime" is not being a liberal."

There's a lot of irony in that, yeah? If she is put in as a replacement & gets through fast.




wwww said...



How did it work after Bork? Didn't his replacement get through quite quickly?

I don't have answers here. I'm observing something I've been worried about. I do think K. will be on the court in a week.

Birkel said...

wwww,
Bull shit that I cursed your baby. Quit lying.

You're a dumb shit who thinks you can win by appealing to male protection. That ship sailed. Oh no! Now I am (clearly not) threatening to Shanghai you. What absolutely boring twaddle.

I look forward to the deletions.

mockturtle said...

4dub explains: I may be over-reacting.

That is a distinct possibility. You'll feel better tomorrow.

William said...

I don't think we can completely rule out the possibility that the Althouse comment section is the kind of place where baby murderers lurk to stalk their next victim. It's a well known fact that Jesuit prep schools are replete with rapists and drunks, and there are many Althouse commenters who, by their own admission, have gone to Jesuit prep schools. Who knows what depths of depravity they achieved in later years. Commenting on Althouse is probably just a small part of their depravity. .

Birkel said...

wwww: "...wide-spread questioning of it degrades that legitimacy."

Democrats demand nobody criticize the institution they systematically politicize.
Inside every Leftist is a Totalitarian scratching its way to the surface.

Now we see the demand that only Democrats can choose Justices who might be political.
And questioning legitimacy degraded legitimacy.

Andrew Brietbart on Line 1.

Yancey Ward said...

"i don't know. I have a baby & I'm super protective right now. So, maybe it's a over-reaction."

Maybe?

Howard said...

Birkel is an impotent cuck, so no matter what it said or didn't said, there are nothings to worried about.

Jim at said...

I know no one is anonymous on the web. I'm wondering if I should be concerned about my children.

Oh, jeezus christ
Stop whining and get over yourself.

langford peel said...

This crap again?

I remember when people were threatening Inga's non- existent children. It went on for months. Why can't you stay on topic ladies?

More hysteria from soap opera women.

JackWayne said...

Apparently off-topic but if you’re really concerned about a political SCOTUS, if you’re really concerned about the problems of only 8 judges on SCOTUS, then the obvious solution is to have an appropriate number of Judges where a 2-vote majority is needed to determine a case. 5-4 is bullshit and only leads to trouble. 6-4 is good. 7-5 is also good but you’re paying for an unnecessary mouth.

Francisco D said...

A lot of us use this this forum to vent our frustrations with Althouse and her fellow Democrats. That's therapeutic.

4dub's recent statements about Birkel are concerning. If it reflects how she is perceiving things, that's a sign of decompensation. She seems to be caught up in this whole drama and she is losing it.

I am not saying that to throw shade. I am saying it to advise people to be cautious in responding to her. Let's not make it any worse.

MadisonMan said...

Well. I missed a lot by running errands today.

I'm thinking of my own Mom. Her brother is the one who inherited the Family Business and promptly ran it into the ground. I've always thought that Mom would've been a great businesswoman (I'd not be around if she had been). Dad was actually offered the position of head of the business (!) but he admitted he had no head for business and declined (Mom's Dad died early -- before my parents married).

It is sad that this was Mom's lot, I think she resented it strongly (it might explain her perpetual anger...family was so important to her, and her family really stabbed her in the back -- because she was a woman). At least, that's how it seems to me. She's been gone for 7 years now, her brother for 30+ -- it's not like I can ask.

Different times back then. This would've been 20 years before Althouse has being not told about Calculus. But how much changed between 1948 and 1968?

It's a ghastly thing that you were assaulted. Genuinely terrible. I hope justice in some way occurred.

Saint Croix said...

"A corporation is a person, and a baby is not one."

That's what a Republican #1 in his class would say. It's the Scalia position.

A liberal who was #1 in her class would say, "I don't know if a corporation is a person, a fetus is definitely not a person, and stare decisis."

Doctors and lawyers are very fond of Latin. Nobody needs to use Latin in the 21st century. English works. People use Latin as a signifier of elite status.

(Except in the case of an unborn child, of course, where the Latin word "fetus" is a signifier of sub-human status).

Saint Croix said...

I think Althouse is right that the Supreme Court should be way less elite and more democratic. But Roe v. Wade, quite obviously, is a result of elite thought, not democratic thought.

Saint Croix said...

Most of the insanity in the Trump era is in the media. Not in real life. The "elites" are in melt down mode. People who graduated from Harvard are railing against Kavanaugh for being elite. It's a ridiculous joke. Althouse is very likely in the top 1% of our society. Top 1% of wealth, top 1% of education, top 1% of status.

She recognizes this, somewhat, but can't help being irritated about that glass ceiling that kept her from being in the top .000001%.

If it makes you felt better, Althouse, I believe that Donald Trump is seriously pissed that Jeff Bezos is richer than he is.

Saint Croix said...

I was at an early age molested by one of my teachers.

Althouse, I am so sorry this happened to you.

What's amazing to me is how you overcame this.

God bless.

Achilles said...

Dave Begley said...
I just realized it. I'm such a dope. If the FBI is to do a credible investigation of this matter it has to go deep into the background of CBF and assess her motive and credibility. That means social media. Her therapist notes and dates thereof. The remodel with two front doors. She's ruined. Game over. It all comes out. Watch Katz scream this week.

A light comes on.

You people need to look forward to this.

It sucks we have to fight this way and it would be neat if the democrats had any moral fiber at all.

But they don't.

So war.

Achilles said...

wwww said...
Pretty scary.


If you were actually scared, I sympathize. If you're teasing me, well it is what it is. I may be over-reacting. I wish he would stop addressing me with anything to do with kids & harm.



Or anything over a 3rd grade reading level.

Or anything involving critical thinking.

Or anything involving honesty.

Achilles said...

wwww said...
"I don't see how Barrett would be seen as any more "legitimate" than Kavanaugh, given that Kavanaugh's real "crime" is not being a liberal."

There's a lot of irony in that, yeah? If she is put in as a replacement & gets through fast.

We wont have to worry about that.

Kavanaugh gets 53-57 votes on Friday. Manchin and Heidtkamp are guaranteed yes votes. Tester and Donelly and Nelson are very likely. Brown and Baldwin would not be surprises.

I have more confidence in those democrats above than I do Corker and Flake because they are already gone.

Barret is going to be nominated for the RBG seat.

Saint Croix said...

WWWW

Have no fear. It will all be okay.

You might think about adopting a dog to protect you and your baby. Go with the larger breeds. Also if you are rescuing, I would grab a puppy not a full-grown adult dog.

I think most people in the world are nice, including the people on this and every other blog. People can be awful on the internet because of the isolation, the anonymity, and the failure to remember the humanity of the people with whom you are conversing. In real life people are way nicer.

Also the world is far more peaceful now than in anytime in human history. The media has to search long and hard (usually in other cities, or even countries) to find acts of violence to upset us.

It's far more likely you will over-protect your child than under-protect. No worries and God bless.

MayBee said...

and I was at an early age molested by one of my teachers.

I'm sorry that happened to you. I had been wondering, considering your response to CBF.

Guildofcannonballs said...

I am OCTOSEAL.

wwww said...


Saint Croix,

Thank you. I teared up reading your message. It's easy to overreact and get over-protective. Maybe my personality is not cut out for commenting on a blog that gets contentious.

God bless and really, thank you for your comments. I was feeling kind of down.

pchuck1966 said...

There's the relatively careful release of the Christine Blasey Ford allegations.

Are you high?

jg said...

Thanks for sharing your experiences from back in the 'good old days', Ann.
Having two kids while young was absolutely the right call. Older parents have severe risks.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Wwww, relax, Birkel is just a harmless idiot who should not be taken seriously.

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