July 8, 2018

"There’s a growing concern in publishing about cultural sensitivities. Do you make a point of ignoring them?"

The Guardian interviewer asks David Sedaris. He answers:
A lot of times people will say after a reading: “I can’t believe what you said”, and I’m literally thinking: “What did I say?” I feel like so many of those issues are really just the enemies of comedy. After every show it’s something. There’s an essay where a woman shits in her pants on the aeroplane and I said it looked like she’d taken her skirt off a long-dead Gypsy, because I want people to see the colour of the skirt. I read that in Edinburgh and this young man comes up and says: “I have a bone to pick with you. I’m one-tenth Gypsy. I really don’t appreciate you using that word.” I’m like: “Call me when you’re nine-tenths Gypsy.” I mean, who isn’t one-tenth Gypsy? Writing isn’t propaganda.
Also, why David Sedaris hates "Moby-Dick":
About 15 years ago, Esquire asked me to pick a classic I’d never read, and I started it and thought there is no way I’m going to finish this book, so I told myself I could not take a bath or wash my hair until I finished the book. I hated that book.
How to hate a book. And so much water in that one:
But even so, amid the tornadoed Atlantic of my being, do I myself still for ever centrally disport in mute calm; and while ponderous planets of unwaning woe revolve round me, deep down and deep inland there I still bathe me in eternal mildness of joy.
That sentence is from "Moby-Dick" (obviously). Here's the new David Sedaris book, "Calypso" (which I've read a few times).
The dress culottes weren’t as expensive as the pants that come up to my nipples, but still they were extravagant. I buy a lot of what I think of as “at-home clothes,” things I’d wear at my desk or when lying around at night after a bath, but never outdoors. These troubling, Jiminy Cricket–style trousers, for instance, that I bought at another of my favorite Japanese stores, 45rpm. They have horizontal stripes and make my ass look like a half dozen coins collected in a sack made from an old prison uniform.
That's David Sedaris. See how different from Melville? And yet both authors have a bath.

IN THE COMMENTS: Fernandistein said:
Those two sucky types, married for mildness:

But even so, amid the tornadoed dress culottes, do I myself still for ever centrally disport in “at-home clothes”; and while extravagant stripes of unwaning fashion revolve round my nipples, deep down and deep inland there I still shoppe me in eternal mildness of Japanese stores.

49 comments:

Sebastian said...

Read it like this:

But even so, amid the tornadoed Atlantic of my being
Do I myself still for ever centrally disport in mute calm,
And while ponderous planets of unmanning woe
Revolve round me, deep down and deep inland there
I still bathe me in eternal mildness of joy.

See? Better than Dylan. (Fighting words, I know.)

rhhardin said...

Cultural sensitivity is comedy material, not a comedy block.

Sebastian said...

Sorry about posting twice, but:

"Writing isn’t propaganda."

Not woke. In fact, unwoke.

Fernandinande said...

See how different from Melville?

The absolute value of their suckiness seems similar, yet they occupy very different coordinates in suck-space. Fascinating! I wonder if you could reach a point of near-zero suckiness by drawing an n-dimensional line between their positions, kinda like when people interpolate in RGB space when they should've used LAB and end up with with grey instead of the color they wanted.

After WWII my dad had a "required" English class on the GI bill and I think he hated that whale book more than he hated Nazis.

Ralph L said...

Is it possible to be one-tenth Gypsy, or was he rounding?

Edward Gorey is the only other place I can remember "disport."

Quaestor said...

“I have a bone to pick with you. I’m one-tenth Gypsy. I really don’t appreciate you using that word.”

How does one become one-tenth Gypsy, by normal sexual processes, I mean, disregarding some kind of Frankensteinesque manipulation?

SGT Ted said...

"Cultural Sensitivities" is simply yet more civility bullshit and moral preening by the idiot "woke" neo-Stalinists under the guise of "multiculturalism".

It's only certain cultures that we're supposed to be sensitive about not offending and it usually revolves around skin color and adherence to leftwing political views. The culture can be openly homophobic, misogynist, and openly bigoted towards it's own minorities, but if the people of that culture have brown skin and oppose American style civil liberties, criticizing their culture is "racism".

In fact, it's mostly an anti-white and anti-western political mindset of people that would wind up being targeted by the majority of people living in the inferior cultures they defend so mindlessly. Multiculturalism is simply an expression of anti-western and anti-white hatreds.

rhhardin said...

I gave a talk once titled "Can Insensitivity Be Automated?"

It was at the beginning of the era of annual consciousness raising seminars.

rhhardin said...

A comedian enlists social pressure on his side.

Fernandinande said...

Those two sucky types, married for mildness:

But even so, amid the tornadoed dress culottes, do I myself still for ever centrally disport in “at-home clothes”; and while extravagant stripes of unwaning fashion revolve round my nipples, deep down and deep inland there I still shoppe me in eternal mildness of Japanese stores.

Quaestor said...
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clint said...

"Now, in calm weather, to swim in the open ocean is as easy to the practiced swimmer as to ride in a spring-carriage ashore. But the awful lonesomeness is intolerable. The intense concentration of self in the middle of such a heartless immensity, my God! Who can tell it? Mark, how when sailors in a dead calm bathe in the open sea -- mark how closely they hug their ship and only coast along her sides."

The chapter on what whiteness means always kills me when I try to read Moby Dick, but if you skip most of the middle, the beginning and end are spectacular.

It's one of those books that really works on Audible, too -- the language reads well aloud, as Sebastian points out above.

Fernandinande said...

Quaestor said...
How does one become one-tenth Gypsy, by normal sexual processes,


I never thought I'd see "Gypsy" and "normal sexual processes" in the same sentence.

Wince said...

I’m one-tenth Gypsy. I really don’t appreciate you using that word.

"Oh, I'm sorry, boo. I didn't mean no disrespect."

Unknown said...

npr started giving Sedaris air time in the 90s. A commenter characterized Sedaris' work as "whining drivel". I can't think of a better description.

Bill Peschel said...

My wife told me last night a romance writer friend of hers mentioned that she was told she shouldn't write about fat women because she wasn't fat herself.

There's a Twitter user @OrwellNGoode who regularly posts memes along these lines:

""gosh darn white people and their..."

*spins lotto wheel*

"greetings"

And then links to a checkboxed idiot point out that X is racist.

Also, that one-tenth gypsy idiot is self-loathing. It's not "gypsy." It's "Romany." It's like saying "I'm one-tenth [racial slur]. Why are you saying [racial slur]."

William said...

I gave Gravity's Rainbow and Joyce's Ulysses an honest effort but never made it through them. Through the vicissitudes of fate I was never assigned Moby Dick and thus have never read it. Moby Dick is an assigned book.......On the plus side, I had always heard that War and Peace was a great novel and, in a moment of ambition, I read it my first year in high school. It really is a great novel, and you can zip right through it. It's reassuring to discover that some of the greats are accessible and entertaining.......Nothing that you posted on Sedaris makes me want to read him.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I really wish I could have finished Moby Dick. The format, interspersed as it is with miniature encyclopedic vignettes on the facts of whaling practice, is awesomely fun and was innovative as hell. But the difficulty finishing it just goes to show how temporary the medium - even that of a novel - can be. A hundred-plus years ago without any tv or audio-visual media to distract and entertain us, devoting a thousand pages to being forewarned of the perils, drudgery and single-minded immensity of the industries about to overwhelm our existence might have seemed like it could fit right into our curiosity.

But now that dreary industrial existence has already overwhelmed our humanity, and left us with better art forms to cope with its victory, and more importantly how to rebel against it rather than to fear and seek to avoid it - like Metallica.

FIDO said...

Identity Politics: making enemies everywhere it goes.

I sit back and laugh at them and at all the insensitive jokes.

Because I don't care.

Gahrie said...

Why is it only European Western Civilization that needs to worry about cultural appropriation?

Gahrie said...

Also, that one-tenth gypsy idiot is self-loathing. It's not "gypsy." It's "Romany." It's like saying "I'm one-tenth [racial slur]. Why are you saying [racial slur]."

it's like the whole "n-word" thing...it's OK for them to use it, just not you.

Paul Zrimsek said...

Sedaris says, "And I was saying, despite the fact you can’t buy guns here, British people feel free. Is it that they don’t know what they’re missing or is the freedom they feel the freedom of not being shot to death in the classroom or movie theatre?" I'm like, call me when you are shot to death in the classroom or movie theatre.

Robert Cook said...

I've never read MOBY DICK, which was a failure when it was published and led to Melvilled essentially giving up writing. I don't know if I could wade through a book written in the style of the presented excerpt, but as a short, stand-alone passage, it is astounding: beautiful, original, and vivid. "Tornadoed Atlantic of my soul," "ponderous planets of unwaning woe," wow!!

FIDO said...

This man might be the most tedious writer of drivel there is...but that does not make him wrong about Identity politics and humor.

rhhardin said...

You know you have gypsy moths from wagon wheel tracks in the garden.

Zach said...

Writing isn't propaganda.

Interesting contrast with this quote from the post on Dave Chappelle:

I found that via Matt Wilstein at The Daily Beast:
There is nothing inherently wrong with using stand-up comedy to comment on the #MeToo movement... But it of course depends on the nature of that material and whether it serves to downplay the severity of systematic sexual abuse.


The reason so many people think writing ought to be simpleminded propaganda is because they keep on getting told that it should be.

Marcus said...

I have read Moby Dick three times over the course of my long life. I have also read (or listened to) all of Sedaris's works. I have laughed out loud at David's whinging. Melville's, not so much.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

But even so, amid the tornadoed Atlantic of my being, do I myself still for ever centrally disport in mute calm; and while ponderous planets of unwaning woe revolve round me, deep down and deep inland there I still bathe me in eternal mildness of joy.

And they say that Trump is unintelligible.

The worst book ever.....Great Expectations. I wanted all of the characters to just die so the book would end.

rightguy said...

I just got Homesick for Another World: Stories/Moshfegh on Sedaris's recomendation.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

I have been buying up children's books I remember and want my kids to read because they are going to get shadowbanned before much longer.

The removal of Laura Ingalls Wilder's name from that children's book prize by a bunch of prude librarians because God forbid anyone discover that people in other times and places thought differently than prude librarians in Current Year kicked this off for me.

I tried to buy a new set immediately on Amazon when that was announced, but they were sold out. *grin* Way to own-goal, morons.

I am reading The Indian in the Cupboard out loud to my eight year old, and he loves it. It's so wildly un-PC that I'm sure it will be memory-holed as soon as someone notices. This is why I buy paper books and don't rely on e-readers. Very easy for the powers that be to bow to Twitter mobs and suck back books that have become badthink.

There are many, many other titles that will be on the chopping block soon because so many children's books revolve around the fascination that we all had upon learning that people beyond our own street and town, or day and age, are different and interesting.

hstad said...

Question - why does AA cite 2 articles from "The Guardian"? My God, with a daily circulation of 187k they must really have an impact - LOL! Hell even during its heyday, in the 1950s - 1960s they peaked at 450k +. This "Leftist" rag needs to get all of the push from AA to stay in business - LOL.

Robert Cook said...

"'But even so, amid the tornadoed Atlantic of my being, do I myself still for ever centrally disport in mute calm; and while ponderous planets of unwaning woe revolve round me, deep down and deep inland there I still bathe me in eternal mildness of joy.'

"And they say that Trump is unintelligible."


It's entirely intelligible...and quite beautiful.

The problems with Trump are not that he's unintelligible, but that he is.

Robert Cook said...

"Question - why does AA cite 2 articles from "The Guardian"? My God, with a daily circulation of 187k they must really have an impact - LOL! Hell even during its heyday, in the 1950s - 1960s they peaked at 450k +. This "Leftist" rag needs to get all of the push from AA to stay in business - LOL."

It has nothing to do with supposed "impact," which can't be inferred from circulation numbers, and to do with whether the cited information is of interest.

n.n said...

I have appropriated every culture in the known world. I am the universal man, immune from criticism. Oh, and I have dark, not black, sort of brown... Well, albino friends... friend, who identifies as neo-female, male, whatever. We are diverse.

langford peel said...

Who me?

I got your cultural sensistivity right here.w

Bad Lieutenant said...


How does one become one-tenth Gypsy, by normal sexual processes, I mean, disregarding some kind of Frankensteinesque manipulation?

Easy peasy. 12 or 13 of your 128 nearest ancestors, depending on how you want to round.

sane_voter said...

Professor,

Your Fernandistein tag is mispelled Fernandinande.

Christopher Chantrill said...

"I can't believe what you said" is the calling card of what I call the women's Culture of Complaint.

Men have a culture of insult, as in "what's yer problem, pal?"

Josephbleau said...

Fernandistein said...
"See how different from Melville?

The absolute value of their suckiness seems similar, yet they occupy very different coordinates in suck-space. Fascinating! I wonder if you could reach a point of near-zero suckiness by drawing an n-dimensional line between their positions, kinda like when people interpolate in RGB space when they should've used LAB and end up with with grey instead of the color they wanted."

By the Intermediate Value Theorem, any Suck function on a closed bounded interval [a,b] with a a point of negative suck and b a point of positive suck, must include at least one point of zero suck c, such that f(c) = 0.

Phil 314 said...

“I have a bone to pick with you. I’m one-tenth Gypsy. I really don’t appreciate you using that word.”

If you really were one tenth you would have said one tenth Roma.

The Godfather said...

In my senior year of high school we read Moby Dick in "honors" English. Only, in my case, I read the Readers Digest condensed edition. It was about 40% shorter than the unabridged version. I don't think it included the "tornadoed Atlantic", or at least I don't remember that. The teacher never caught on that I hadn't read the full version. So far as I can remember, I've never seen a reference to or discussion of MD that I failed to comprehend because I hadn't read the whole thing.

On the other hand, I've read (at least) three translations (each) of the Illiad and the Odyssey (I don't remember which translations -- I'm a lawyer not a scholar -- but the Illiads were all verse, and at least one of the Odysseys was prose). They interested me in ways that MD didn't. My fault undoubtedly.

Someone mentioned War and Peace. I read that once, but when I got towards the end and found that Tolstoy lost interest in the story and started rambling on about his views on life, the world, etc., well I figured once was enough for me.

On the other hand, I've read the Lord of the Rings at least four times, and I plan to read it once more before I die. (I hope I get enough warning.)

Gk1 said...

That's too fucking bad David Sedaris, the revolution eats its own. You helped nuture the perpetually butt hurt, this is what you get. Now if you want to undo the damage and begin to go hammer and tong against this humourless scolds, go for it!

Ann Althouse said...

“Your Fernandistein tag is mispelled Fernandinande.”

It’s an old tag. The same coomenter, I believe, adopted a new spelling. If I am wrong, please let me know.

Josephbleau said...

“I have a bone to pick with you. I’m one-tenth Gypsy. I really don’t appreciate you using that word.”

You have 64 G^4 Grandparents so 100%/64 = 1.562% DNA from each. So if 6.4 of them were "Gypsy" you would be at 10%, however if later generations married more Gypsies the combinations to achieve 10% are more complex. Also, since you don't inherit exactly 50% of DNA from each parent these types of calcs are just coarse approximations. I did 23 and me and Gypsy was not a reported category so this person had no apparent basis for his claim unless Gypsies were added at the correct ratio over generations, unless he could sing a bit like Cher. ( For the non-metaphorically minded rebutalists, I know she identified as partial Native American, not Roma. )

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roger said...

Call me Ishmael

The greatest opening line in all of Western Literature.

hstad said...

Robert Cook states....
"It has nothing to do with supposed "impact," which can't be inferred from circulation numbers, and to do with whether the cited information is of interest."

Whose interest, the LEFT? My friend, with declining circulation numbers the past 10 - 15 years, even in the heaven of a socialist kingdom, "limited interest" is not a great business model. Hell I've known Phd thesis' which got bigger interest then this rag.

Anonymous said...

Melville described the rope tied to two crewmen as a Siamese ligature and the dorsal fin of a killer whale as a gnomon.