From a Vice article I read because of this:
The Simpsons is horrible and problematic and not funny and Lisa is the only good part and stop laughing at it, explains Vice's expert millennial garbage babyhttps://t.co/cvs2OcX5oM— David Burge (@iowahawkblog) July 1, 2018
Imagine all the sitcoms you'd have to reject if you were distracted by thinking: Why don't these people get a divorce?
And maybe a better question is: Why don't married people quit thinking that divorce is a solution to their difficulties? Stick it out people! Like Roseanne and Dan! Or will the new Roseanneless "Roseanne" give us the Conner household after Dan has divorced the angry, incorrigible Roseanne?
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To the Moon, Alice.
"'political correctness'—otherwise known as being tolerant and conscientious towards people—"
Oh lord.
"Obviously, The Simpsons started in the 1989, before 'political correctness'—otherwise known as being tolerant and conscientious towards people—was a concern for a lot of folks.
Nonsense. I started college in 1988 and political correctness was in full swing. It completely dominated the political culture then just as it does today. I still remember the name of the campus LGBSU chief because even though the front page had space for only two articles literally every week he wrote one of those two articles.
The truth is that for a short period rationality threatened to overcome leftist insanity but that trend failed.
yes, one thing is a CONSTANT on the Simpsons; and that is that Homer is treated LIKE A GOD. Nothing bad ever happens to him
His Job ROCKS
His Boss LOVES him
His friends are witty and wonderful
His family (especially his sisters inlaw) bend over Backwards to help him:in every way
</sarc
On the other hand
Homer Was an Astronaut
Home DID have that cool Snowplow Jacket
{call Mr. Plow, that's the Name; that name again, is Mister Plow}
and One Word:Lurleen Lumpkin
Was just thinking of The Honeymooners. Shockingly, what people find funny hasn't changed all that much, especially in shows about families. (Not shocking at all, really.)
The Simpsons too the whole Honeymooners/Flintstones shtick to a much more cynical place.
My husband hates it so much I won't even watch it alone.
She has cruces.
Just wait until she watches South Park.
I know Chaplin was considered a progressive for his time, what with his socialism and his awkward attempt to give dignity to the poor. But the pancake makeup? Wasn't being a white male enough? He had to make himself even more white?
Oh, God save us all from such moral scolds! What a maroon!
And speaking of Loony Tunes, one of my pet peeves is how Cartoon Network bowdlerized the classics & even stopped showing Speedy Gonzales in the US. Fucking Stalinists!
'Cause, ya know, there's no better acme (a great Loony Tunes word!) of Aryan manhood than Elmer Fudd!
What I really don't get in a cartoon marriage is how Lois can stand to have Peter bouncing on her.
Antioch 1990s
Here's an article highlighting that activists were pushing the current sexual assault craziness in the 1990s.
Please, please, please don't let Ms Clark get anywhere near a 70's National Lampoon or an R. Crumb comic (much less a Tijuana Bible), lest her head explode. Like ya know, they did in the movie Scanners.
There's a wealth of comedy that could come from a Dan remarriage. I hear Marge Simpson will be available soon.
"'political correctness'—otherwise known as being tolerant and conscientious towards people—"
These people really don't know how badly this is going to come back at them.
stop laughing at it
Done!
Coinky-dinkely, about an hour ago I was thinking how it used to be the funniest damned TV show evar, until ... 10 years ago?
I think it would be fun to watch "Married with Children" a few times with groups of college kids.
Not actually watching the show, watching the kids.
Al's best insults.
Roseanne will be killed off as an OD. They will get a whole season milking that. I mean, who hasn't lost a close relative to drug overdose?
Ann you surprise me, calling for sticking it out.
Roseanne will be killed off by a well-meaning citizen with a gun, trying to stop a crime. We'll find the bad guy had a toy gun and was just looking to feed his family. Roseanne was across the street away from the action.
"...until ... 10 years ago?"
More like 20. It was very funny in its prime.
Barely cracked the Top 30 three seasons, it may eventually be seen as the prototype for more current shows that have small or tiny audiences, but are amplified in media echo chambers.
I would love to see if these people are as moral in their own lives as they are in ours.
No, actually I don't give a shit either way.
"Imagine all the sitcoms you'd have to reject if you were distracted by thinking: Why don't these people get a divorce?"
Imagine all the institutions you'd have to reject if you were distracted by thinking: Why don't these institutions divorce from their benighted past?
Imagine all the people you'd have to reject if you were distracted by thinking: Why don't these people divorce themselves from impure thoughts?
Imagine the violence you'd have to use to sweep the earth clean of of anything and anyone that does not fit your preconceptions.
Then again, no need to imagine. Read the history of the Left since 1789.
People weren't concerned about political correctness until the '90s?!?
These wet-behind-the-ear sprogs don't believe anything at all ever happened before the earliest they can personally remember.
Roseanne will have died after a burning cross fell on her at a Trump rally.
Marge in the pink suit tells.
I haven't watched The Simpsons in years, yet it is a modern day classic, and we will always love Homer, irrespective of what humorless twits are now saying about him.
Ah, yes, those dark days of 1989. When both Althouse and I were well embarked on our careers, along with millions of other career women.
Just like 1959, it was.
Roseanne will be killed off as an OD.
Not a school shooting?
Oh, I remember Antioch's groundbreaking adoption of affirmative consent rules. In particular, I remember the college president or some muckety-muck saying they were just trying to help the kids, and giving the priceless quote: "We're not trying to shove it down anyone's throat."
"Just wait until she watches South Park."
Some of those episodes are classic, like the one on the Scientologists, with Tom Cruise and John Revolting hiding in Stan's closet after he was named L.Ron Hubbard's successor. I always had a soft spot in my heart for the show, having grown up in the same region as South Park, and driven through it starting at a young age. Growing up, my grandparents had a girl's camp not that far away, and they would lose a horse or two every winter when they pastured their horses there - which is to say that blizzards coming across the open pasture land that forms much of the park can be deadly. And, I brought my kids pictures of the real South Park Elementary (actually, the school in FairPlay, which is what the town of South Park is modeled on) for show and tell, when they were about the age of the characters in the show. I should add that there have been a number of references to local geography, cities, attractions, etc that are fun to identify for those who know Denver and the area to the southwest of it well.
Marge is far from a doormat. She's a long-suffering wife, but the show has certainly explored their marriage in various ways, showing that she has choice and purpose. They had a show specifically about this, why Marge has never left Homer, though she's been tempted at times.
120 yeas ago Custer was defeated. win the battle... loose the war
So in one thread we are told not to see the issues of the days as manifestations of leftism, and in the next we are served the usual read meat, yet another instance of mindless, destructive leftism:
1. judging all art by whether it is politically correct--an authentic, old-left standard if there is one; 2. distorting history by claiming PC only came after 1989--ignoring the specific leftist provenance of the very term (including its polemical use among leftists); 3. absurdly and unironically equating PC with "being tolerant and conscientious towards people" when its invocation intolerantly asserts moral superiority and excludes inferiors (as self-contradictorally illustrated by its very use in this instance); 4. the typical disparagement of the past, including what people might have considered progressive once upon a time, for the sake of cultural cleansing (because now we are finally enlightened); 5. the failure even to consider (I think!) the point of view of others, either Marge the character or the writers of the show (I don't understand why the working class . . . why blacks . . . why women . . . why Kansans . . . don't just . . .).
Anyway, I enjoy red meat, even, or especially, when spiritual nutritionists prescribe a different diet. Of course, it would be really nice if the culture war and TDS and the rest of it would just disappear and we could focus on the big issues, like Beethoven vs. Bach.
Sometimes "That's not funny!" because you didn't get the joke.
"I haven't watched The Simpsons in years, yet it is a modern day classic, and we will always love Homer, irrespective of what humorless twits are now saying about him"
I still do the "beer me xxxxx" (where xxxxx is Marge in the show, and identifies my parter in my case). Her son, in particular, gets a kick out of it, since he has been a Simpson's fan since high school. My partner? Not so much. But she never quite got the show in the first place. She was never a boy, and was a goody two shoes to boot. Much more like Lisa, while her son and I tended to identify most with Bart. I explain to her that it is a guy thing.
there's no better acme (a great Loony Tunes word!)
Imagine my shock when I found out it was a real word.
Played Catch Phrase with a group. The word people were supposed to say was Homer. The clue given by the very intelligent man was "Bart's dad." It was hilarious. "Bart's dad" is now the phrase that means "philistine." (Not to be applied to the clue giver, who correctly guessed that everyone at the table would know one Homer but maybe not the other.)
@Sebastian: Bach.
The Left wants Marge to cut off all her hair, divorce Homer and go Lesbian.
That's how they roll.
"Imagine all the sitcoms you'd have to reject if you were distracted by..." never-ending political correctness.
"When you're with the Flintstones,
It's a yabba-dabba-doo time,
A dabba-doo time,
We'll have a gay old tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime!"
Hilarious.
I Love Lucy.
Crazy, Childish, Scheming Red Head. Why doesn't Ricky get a Divorce?
And why is Ethel with that boring, skinflint, 20 years too old for her?
Cheers. Everyone is a loser or a borderline nut. And it promotes drinking.
The column is obvious click Bait - but that's OK.
Another article written by someone too young to know jack shit about anything worth writing about.
Maybe the guy playing Homer can get fired for over some tweet.
Stupid kid doesn't know shit about extremely well developed and deep characters. Fuck off, stupid kid.
Obviously, "The Simpsons" started in [1989], before political correctness—otherwise known as being tolerant and conscientious towards people—
Obviously, "the people" has always meant for those who write for Vice to be some people. Is it not so?
Roseanne will be killed off by a well-meaning citizen with a gun, trying to stop a crime.
Weak. You guys couldn't earn a Happy Meal as scriptwriters. Roseanne goes to a Trump rally wearing a pussy hat and is beaten to death by a crazed ex-truck drive screaming MAGA! MAGA!
Typo: ex-truck driver.
The Simpsons were never role-models. That was the point. The comedy came from the fact that they were a pretty ordinary working class family, and that Homer wasn't particularly bright or enlightened, or even a particularly good father or husband. He was just a blue-collar guy with a blue-collar job, who liked beer.
First I took a look at a picture of Ms. Clark and she was essentially everything I expected: a twenty something millennial, who is fit, with a touch of exotic and could have her choice from a broad spectrum of men who want to 'sup from her youthful flower'.
Ergo, she comes from the entire attitude of 'plenty of options'. This shows in her writing.
But to the main point: life goes wrong in the Simpson household as a result of Homer and poof, she should divorce his ass.
However, if Homer divorced Marge because she was 'not perfect', i.e. she got fat, she went nuts, her gambling addiction went postal, she once again became a psychotic raging person on the news, I am sure that Ms. Clark would excoriate any man for divorcing a woman 'when she was down', totally missing the point that if one wants support when one is down, one has to GIVE it.
Ms. Clark has no sense of reciprocity.
i hate to sound like an old fogy; but We WEREN'T that stupid when we were in our twenties. Right? Please tell me i'm right.
i hate to sound like an old fogy; but We WEREN'T that stupid when we were in our twenties. Right? Please tell me i'm right.
We may have been, but we weren't given the opportunity to display it on a daily basis on the internet.
As for "Political correctness," absolutely it goes back to well before 1989, and of course means the opposite of what this bimbo claims it means. I dated a girl who'd gone to Oberlin in the late 70s, early 80s, and she told me "PC" was the rage there.
Just think, for 0.2 million dollars, your kid could have a Yale English degree too.
When you give a teenager a platform, that is widely distributed, to voice their own naive angst about things they don't like.
It's an episode of 'What really grinds my gears'...
I haven't watched the Simpsons in a long time, but I always considered it a rather gentle humorous satire. But then I had the advantage of reading my older brother's Mad magazines and watching Rocky and Bullwinkle, the Beverly Hillbillies, and Fractured Fairy Tales when I was a kid. So, at least I had an education in what satire is. This writer doesn't have a clue.
Roseanne is angling to make her comeback on The Conners. They can kill her but will she stay dead?
gilbar said...
i hate to sound like an old fogy; but We WEREN'T that stupid when we were in our twenties. Right? Please tell me i'm right.
Blogger James K replied...
We may have been, but we weren't given the opportunity to display it on a daily basis on the internet.
I'm making up for a lot of lost time...
The Old School approach was represented by Jack Benny. "In all our years of marriage, my wife and I have never [underline] thought about divorce. Pause. Murder, yes, but never divorce." We're usually not that likeable, so why should we expect, much less demand, that people like us?
I dated a girl who'd gone to Oberlin in the late 70s, early 80s, and she told me "PC" was the rage there.
I first encountered the phrase while reading a review of an album in Rolling Stone. The album being reviewed was, according to the critic, "not politically correct." I remember it because I found it chilling, like something out of the Soviet Union. I never purchased another copy of Rolling Stone after that.
Here's a good analysis of the reasons The Simpsons went bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqFNbCcyFkk
Historical illiteracy is on display here.
Marge is a comic stereotype dating back to the 1950s on TV and the 1920s on radio.
Acknowledge that reality before you start complaining about the one created by this know-nothing.
One of my favorite all-time TV episodes was the Simpsons episode about cartoon violence (itchy & Scratchy). One of the best uses of Beethoven was in that episode, too.
I really don't agree with any of the characterizations here. Marge isn't a doormat, Homer is a doofus but not selfish, and the show goes to great lengths to present Lisa as a saint rather than as an insufferable jerk. They poke a little fun at her in the process, but that's how sitcoms work.
As I recall, the early years had Bart instigating a lot of the plots, rather than Homer. In those days, Homer was closer to a standard sitcom dad.
They ultimately realized that Homer is a much funnier character, at which point "Homer does something wacky and everybody reacts to it" became a standard plot.
And the celebrity cameos are the worst part of the show, not the best.
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