July 5, 2018

"Apache woman, in odd twist, has key to new US border wall."

Yahoo News reports.
Since it was impossible to build the wall in the middle of the Rio Grande River, which marks the natural border with Mexico, US federal authorities built it a couple miles (kilometers) north of the riverbank. That meant some of the lands through which the wall already passes... are owned by native tribes and private farmers.

This is what happened almost 10 years ago to [Eloisa] Tamez, a nursing professor at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley and a tribal rights activist....

When federal authorities installed their fence, they divided her land not exactly in half. Then they gave her a key to open the gate that allows her to access the other side of her ancestral land, three acres (1.2 hectares) of desert dotted with cactus and mesquite....

"It is not the first time that they violate our rights by taking away our land"....

36 comments:

Michael K said...

Another "activist."

Seeing Red said...

Those nasty rights she didn’t have before. Or I think the wheel.

mockturtle said...

Oh boy! Something new to be outraged about!

a couple miles (kilometers)

Well, which is it, Yahoo? Miles or kilometers?

Seeing Red said...

Build a fence around her door. Let them stay on tribal lands. Your problem not ours. If she gets a payout from a casino and has to share....ooops, I lost the key.

Gahrie said...

"It is not the first time that they violate our rights by taking away our land"....

Tell that to Susette kelo.

rehajm said...

They need a cat door, too

YoungHegelian said...

It is not the first time that they violate our rights by taking away our land

Yeah, the Federal government can sure be a bunch of Indian-givers. I'd go on the warpath, too.

etienne said...

The Apache's could solve the whole immigration problem, by giving everyone who crosses the border Apache citizenship.

Since Apache are also American citizens, then you kill two eagles with one arrow.

rhhardin said...

Give her some firewater to ease the pain.

Unknown said...

Kelo

Paul said...

Sorry Tamez but eminent domain has been used to take just about any and everybody's land in the US.

That's life.

MadisonMan said...

@YoungHegelian at 9:41, LOLOLOL. So glad my officemate stepped out.

I'm a horrible person.

YoungHegelian said...

@MM,

I'm a horrible person.

Yep, join the club. But, it's already crowded in here...

mccullough said...

“Our land.” As if the Apaches can trace the deed to the land to Adam and Eve. The Apaches took it a long time ago from someone else. And the US took it from the Apache. The land belongs to those who can take and hold it. That’s what history is about. The Apache lost. A proud people but a conquered people. I’d feel bad for them if the were Amish but the Apache weren’t peaceful. They got what they deserved.

cubanbob said...

Build not a fence but a wall behind her property.

cubanbob said...

mccullough said...
“Our land.” As if the Apaches can trace the deed to the land to Adam and Eve. The Apaches took it a long time ago from someone else. And the US took it from the Apache. The land belongs to those who can take and hold it. That’s what history is about. The Apache lost. A proud people but a conquered people. I’d feel bad for them if the were Amish but the Apache weren’t peaceful. They got what they deserved."

She sounds like she is a Palestinian.

tim maguire said...

You know they're not going to stop digging up inconvenienced people until they find one we care about so we may as well go ahead and care now.

It's not like the problem they are trying to solve is serious or anything. (BTW, don't liberals like to argue that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? It takes a village to deprive someone of their property.)

Michael K said...

"The land belongs to those who can take and hold it."

The Apaches were one of the last groups to arrive in America. Then they massacred the Hopi and Navajo plus older tribes.

The history of the Apache.

A number of Apache peoples have roots in Texas, but during the prehistoric period they lived in the northern Plains and Canada. As they moved south, they did not settle in the Plateaus and Canyonlands but, rather, in and around the Southern Plains of Texas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico. While scholars dispute the route and timing of their migration south there seems to be fairly clear evidence that the Querechos and possibly the Teyas whom Coronado met on his march across the Southern Plains in 1541 were Apaches.

They originated in Alaska and Canada and only moved south in historic times.

The tribes of the Apache and Navajo are now associated with the desert areas of the southwestern United States and northwestern Mexico, but this region was not always their home. Their ancestors migrated into the region within historical times. The original homeland of the tribes was northwestern Canada and eastern Alaska. The discovery of this origin was through linguistics.

The route of migration the migration was primarily down the great plains to the east of the Rocky Mountains, but there is some evidence of migration through the Great Basin region. In the Southwest the Tewa and the Zuñi called the newcomers Apachu meaning strangers/enemies.


The Zuni were the orginal settlers

Archaeology suggests that the Zuni have been farmers in their present location for 3,000 to 4,000 years. It is now thought that the Zuni people have inhabited the Zuni River valley since the last millennium B.C., at which time they began using irrigation techniques which allowed for farming maize on at least household sized plots.[5][6]

More recently, Zuni culture may have been related to both the Mogollon and Ancestral Pueblo peoples cultures, who lived in the deserts of New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, and southern Colorado for over two millennia.


The Zuni saw the Apache and Navajo as enemies. The Zuni were farmers.

Hagar said...

The US's longest shooting war so far was with the Chiricahua Apache - 1846-86.

stever said...

What about the rights of the indigenous people displaced by those pesky Athabaskans? Did she mention that?

Martin said...

They gave her a key to access the land on the other side of the barrier. That doesn't sound like seizure or expropriation. It sounds like nothing to do with what happened 120 years ago--good, bad or indifferent.

Fernandinande said...

Eloisa Tamez is in a bunch of old articles about the fence...one might get the idea that she was the only one with a fence on her property.

Obama's Border Fence (2009)

"In 2006, Congress authorized the Secure Fence Act—a multi-billion dollar plan to build hundreds of miles of fencing along the southern border of the U.S.
...
The fence, which will cover less than half of the actual border, inexplicably cuts through the middle of some properties, while leaving others untouched. Many question if it can keep people from sneaking in at all.
...
In the distance, three more SUVs converged, and several men stepped out, wearing uniforms of the National Guard, which has supplemented the Border Patrol over the past year."
[Arizona residents share what's wrong with the fence built in their yard.]

Michael K said...

"several men stepped out, wearing uniforms of the National Guard, which has supplemented the Border Patrol over the past year."

The Arizona National Guard have been doing Border Patrol duties for at least five years. I talk to some of them,

Fernandinande said...

Oops, the National Guard line is from here

Gahrie said...

By the way...is she doing anything productive with the land, or is it just empty scrub?

mikee said...

She got a gate and a key. That is an improvement on previous enclosures by the government, wherein the landowner crossing the fence was a crime despite owning the land on both sides. But that was Interior, not ICE or Border Patrol.

Ralph L said...

I thought "has key to wall" meant she knows how to get Mexico to pay for it.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

The Apaches fought hard against the Mexican government. Geronimo's family was wiped out by Mexicans, and he hated them ever since for that, and he himself said. "“I have killed many Mexicans,.I do not know how many…some of them were not worth counting.”

hstad said...

Char Char Binks said... "I have killed many Mexicans..." - Geronimo.

Sure he did! And his ancestors killed Spaniards before that; Pueblo Indians before that; etc. Apache where forced to migrate South from Canada and were forced out by other tribes in the North culminating with their disastrous adventurous against the Northern Plains Sioux, which massacred Apaches and forced them to move to the Southwest USA and Mexico. That was life back then and the land belongs to whomever owns it - until governments take it through force [ just like 'eminent domain']. Happens every day in the USA!

n.n said...

So, what happened to the Anasazi? Was the genocide intra or inter-tribal?

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

One of my biggest pet peeves is the moral authority that is given to Native Americans when people want to score points about immigration. Do they think it through at all?! I mean, isn't the sad sad sad experience of NAs (being conquered through first settlement then guns) exactly what unchecked immigration opponents are trying to avoid?

gadfly said...

"Apache Woman", one of the greatest spaghetti-westerns of all time - complete with a theme song.

truth speaker said...

Apaches are a proud people.

A proud people with no written language, no science, no math and not even the wheel.


Yeah, they were a take over just waiting to happen. And then it did.

Michael K said...

isn't the sad sad sad experience of NAs (being conquered through first settlement then guns) exactly what unchecked immigration opponents are trying to avoid?

The Iroquois had an opportunity to leap into the modern world.

Some of them, around 1740, had glass windows in their houses. Dartmouth college was founded in 1769 to educate their children in addition to the children of the white settlers.

They chose the French in the 1756 war.

The Cherokee had a written alphabet after about 1820.

They were well positioned to adopt the language and customs fo the whites but they did not.

There is a story of an English renegade who encouraged the Cherokee to attack the settlers.

History of this period is badly distorted by modern SJW warriors who know nothing,

Gahrie said...

The Cherokee had a written alphabet after about 1820.

They were well positioned to adopt the language and customs fo the whites but they did not.


To be fair...Andrew Jackson rounding them up and marching them to Oklahoma probably had something to do with that.

FIDO said...

Rome used to have a great immigration policy: you had to lose to Rome, you had to disarm, you had to have your men join the army, and you didn't get to clump together.

Rome wanted useful new proto citizens integrating, not huge groups of armed malcontents.

Which party does that sound closer to?

Eventually, some idiot forgot this policy AND cut the payment of their welfare checks.

This did Rome get sacked.