But watch out, especially if you're the wrong kind of person. We've seen "hipster racism" (how'd that work out?), and I'm inclined to call this "hipster homophobia." Make sure you're wearing your "hipster" shield! But you can't make sure, because it's not hip to fret about security. And never forget: this is The Era of That's Not Funny. And the Not-Funnyites know how to strip you of your livelihood in just about exactly one day. To be hip, you must be loose and casual about your ironic interface with the world. If you're not already poor and beyond any interest in building a career, step away from the fun new game of "gaysploitation."And now, today, I've stumbled into "Disney remixer Pogo can’t walk back his homophobic comments on YouTube." I had to get up to speed on what a "Disney remixer" is. It's not some job at Disney, the media giant, it's independent recording, using Disney audio, and producing results like this...
... which is truly fun and delightful and perfectly nice. That video, from 11 years ago, has over 20 million views, and AV Club had a piece, 5 years ago, "Pogo’s 'Alice' is the Internet’s nostalgia fixation at its most enchanting." Here's a Reddit discussion of it that includes a lot of reminds me of the time I took LSD.
Here's another example of Pogo's sweet video pleasantry:
It seems simultaneously edgy and cushiony soft. Mmm... just like I feel when I think I'm so hip and I can say... anything. And you'll get me. Because you know I'm cool, and you'd be stupid or stiff if you didn't understand the amorphous hipster place whence I originate.
But this is The Era of That's Not Funny. And the Not-Funnyites know how to strip you of your livelihood in just about exactly one day.
So, back to the piece in The Verge.
Earlier this week, a wildly homophobic video surfaced where [Nick] Bertke [AKA Pogo] states that he views “gays as an abomination” and cheers the 2016 massacre at the gay nightclub Pulse. Faced with immediate backlash, the musician is now trying to walk his statements back, claiming the internet “has taken the video very far out of context and proportion.”Here's that video. I've watched it. You watch it and catch whatever nuance you can:
In the video, which was filmed in 2016, Bertke addresses why he chose the username “Fagottron” for his YouTube channel. “I’ve always had a very thorough dislike of homosexuals,” he says. “I’ve never liked a grown man acting like a 12-year-old girl. I’ve always found that to be quite disgusting.” The video has since been taken down, though mirrors of it remain on YouTube. He adds that his “subtle” username is a way for him to “express to the world that I view gays as an abomination.”
It's "hipster homophobia," isn't it? To my ear, he's a confident guy who thinks he's cool and can tweak and trigger uptight dumb people. Here he is, after he's come under the attack of the Not-Funnyites and after it's not funny for him anymore because he must find a way to repent or die:
At one point, he mentions Andy Kaufman. Fortunately, for Andy Kaufman, he's already dead or he would be murdered.
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"And the Not-Funnyites know how to strip you of your livelihood in just about exactly one day. "
"Homophobia" is itself a PC slur. Like "Islamophobia."
Cue Sallah;
Althouse! I'm so pleased you're not dead!
wow! that guy's life is OVER!
he literally just said; some of my best friends are gay!
Well, that was one of the most epic walkbacks I've seen in awhile. From "because I hate homosexuals" to "sexuality had nothing to do with it!"
> after it's not funny for him anymore because he must find a way to repent or die:
In the modern lexicon, this is known as "a discussion".
Homophobia is a synonym for common sense.
If I hadn't feared the outcome of gay male behavior, I'd be dead. Just about every young gay man I met and knew in San Francisco back in the 70s is long dead from AIDS as a result of ignoring the common sense folk wisdom about the lethal nature of male homosexuality.
The entire cast and crew of The Ridiculous Theater in NYC was wiped out by AIDS. I attended many of their performances before everybody died.
The professor, of course, religiously avoids recognizing this reality. The Bible is a form of folk wisdom warning against gay male behavior as a public health hazard.
The depiction of this as an irrational fear is bullshit. Male homosexuality is a public health hazard. One of the most severe.
Playing in another guy's shit is a good way to die before you reach the age of 40.
You are doing evil, prof, by refusing to recognize this reality. Your vision is clouded by your determination to rationalize your son's choices. Your like an insane version of a mommy who joins MADD as a crusader after her child dies in a car accident.
Your campaign to normalize gay men into marriage and family is an idiot fantasy. The closet and shaming are the right choices. Limiting the public health hazard is the best alternative.
the next step, will be for him to be like the pedophile and say that he was only watching those videos for research into How Bad they are!
Althouse called that. "One day" she said, and boom, the very next day...
As this talented young man is learning, using sarcasm on the Internet is dangerous. An alarming percentage of people don’t get it. And the situation isn’t helped by everybody’s wish to portray themselves as a victim, so they grasp at even the most obvious sarcasm as a capital offense.
The poor guy still thinks he can straighten this out as though the SJW's are honest brokers, as if they care what he really thinks about gays or anything else. Pirhanas don't care if you fell in the tank or jumped in.
"To my ear, he's a confident guy who thinks he's cool and can tweak and trigger uptight dumb people."
In other words, troll bait for the usual suspects here.
Maybe I've just got a tin ear, or his performance was so dead pan, but that first video didn't come off as trolling sarcasm. If he wanted to do that, he needed to play it better. Maybe bring up something with the -tron part, like he also hated that movie, and wished the entire cast would die, and when he heard there was going to be a remake, he prayed every night for the light bikes to crash and set the production back years.
Politically incongruent phobias, or their invention, can render an individual nonviable in a matter of seconds. He should probably avoid any Planned meetings until the people who have deemed him unworthy reconcile his fate.
Just double down. Make them go after the idea rather than you.
It's not easy to use the Andy Kaufman method. It wasn't easy for Andy. And it cannot work anymore. To be a comedian today, you have to not be a comedian.
Any potential true comedian will have to be crushed at baseboard level and will therefore never climb up the wall to the point where the stodgy patrons eating their bland cultural porridge will even have to scream.
All this firing can be stopped by going after the idea of firing for indeas.
A corporation can be shamed that way too, and even better, justly shamed.
For superficiality and underestimating the public.
Any potential true comedian will have to be crushed at baseboard level and will therefore never climb up the wall to the point where the stodgy patrons eating their bland cultural porridge will even have to scream.
I'd guess a cabinet fell over in the kitchen.
"I'm just a soul whose intentions are good.
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood. " - some pop song.
Tim's law: in the future, everybody is going to be Sherman McCoy, but it's for life, not just fifteen minutes.
Before the gay mafia, gays knew they were amusing.
AIDS! AIDS!
Stop pretending you don't hear, Ann!
Millions dead worldwide. Fantastic expenditure from the public treasury to keep millions of others alive.
AIDS.
As with feminism, your homosexual bullshit is built on decades of obvious lies.
How much are we supposed to commit to spending so gay men can play in one another's shit?
When it comes to your self interest, you turn into a fierce and unrepentant liar.
Here's the value of experiencing it yourself. Watch both videos.
At first, I was ready to believe his homophobia. I stopped the first video after the first couple of minutes because it was pretty disgusting.
But then I thought about the "gays acting like 12-year-old girls" remark. This demonstrated that he was either very very sheltered, or he didn't know any gay people.
(I also wondered about his using Disney cartoons if he was truly homophobic. Disney is known for being a very welcoming home for gay people. But if he was from Australia, he might not know that.)
Listening to his explanation, I get the sense that he has grown up and has reflected on what he was trying to do there. I get the Andy Kaufman inspiration, and came to the conclusion that he was creating performance art. His over-the-top praise for the nightclub massacre, and ending with the thought that it's ironic that America would be welcoming to a gay-hating religion, approached satire and should have been pursued more.
In short, I think he's getting screwed.
Your campaign to normalize gay men into marriage and family is an idiot fantasy
I don't think that but I do think it is a fad derived from the fear of AIDS that drove the "gay community" to try to change the gay behavior patterns by appropriating marriage as a model to control promiscuity.
It hasn't worked well. I knew a few gay couples before the "marriage" thing got popular. They were older, several had been married to women and had children before the gay life. They were no longer attractive to other gays, I suspect, and therefore had little opportunity to get into revolving door sex.
In the 80s there was real panic in Laguna Beach, the southern California equivalent of San Francisco. The two brothers that owned "The Little Shrimp," the center of gay social life in Laguna, moved to Hawaii in the 80s. They were patients of mine.
Two good friends of mine, very skilled doctors who owned a famous crystal shop in Laguna, were partners but had wild parties that even included the famous "Patient Zero," the flight attendant that was supposed to have such a big part of spreading the epidemic.
One died early, the other lived quite a while , blind and demented.
Today, most of these gay marriages are "open" and have not affected promiscuity much. The new proteases and antiretroviral drugs have relieved most of the panic.
I once had the unpleasant task of explaining to a nuclear engineer that he had AIDS in the days before the new drugs when it was a death sentence. He said, "That can't be true ! I have been in a committed relationship for ten years !"
What could I say ?
Play stupid games.
Win stupid prizes.
Identity politics is a stupid game, played by stupid people, and it is a loser.
A guy using a cartoon character's name in vain made a crappy song and then said some stuff, and then said some more stuff. Is the twitterverse big enough to cover it?
"But then I thought about the "gays acting like 12-year-old girls" remark. This demonstrated that he was either very very sheltered, or he didn't know any gay people."
-- I just assumed that he was just being dismissive, like using "sissy," and then he tried to walk back his comments about the nightclub shooting by saying he didn't want anyone killed. The problem, if he was going for dark humor, is that he didn't stick to his tone and follow through.
Once you have convinced yourself that half of Americans are deplorable bigots just waiting for the blast of the dog whistle to start building death camps, adult discussion and the free play of ideas become impossible. As in paranoia, every word you hear is filtered through the lens of that over arching threat.
Remember how they lambasted Ari Fleischer for saying "be careful what you say"? That was then, now it's "Don't question authority!"
This line from from the article is a wry jab:
It is unclear how to reconcile his statements that he wants to rile people up and also somehow never offend them.
If you put every unfiltered offensive idea that walks through your id into a public forum, you're going to suffer for it.
Lesson for teenagers.
I've always liked the Pogo Disney videos, but my favorite of his is the tribute he did for his mother:
"Comprising my mother's voice and the sounds of her garden, this video is my first Pogo mix of the real world. I hope I've done my mother justice in capturing her passion."
https://vimeo.com/34322953
"If you're not already poor and beyond any interest in building a career"
IOW, if you don't already have nothing to lose. But the SJW mobs have no problem turning someone who has a lot to lose into someone who has nothing to lose. A person who has nothing to lose is one of the most dangerous people in the world.
"Fortunately, for Andy Kaufman, he's already dead or he would be murdered."
And that is one of the most succinct statements of the state of our society today.
A hilarious column on where the gay thing is headed.
What is especially funny is that it is about women's sports which is about to be killed off by trans "women."
...that way you represent yourself as a neutral observer of the rise of the Era of That's Not Funny. Outside the dialectic, as it were.
- now that's funny.
Wait, wait, wait.
That article? "Earlier this week, a wildly homophobic video surfaced where [Nick] Bertke [AKA Pogo] states that he views “gays as an abomination” and cheers the 2016 massacre at the gay nightclub Pulse."
Is incorrect. He didn't cheer the massacre; he specifically says he didn't want to see people getting killed in nightclubs. Also, his line "It's just fantastic" isn't about the shooting; it is about the West's willingness to accommodate terrorists who will kill gays. The fist pump comes way before the line "It's just fantastic." Fist pump is at about 2:08; "It's just fantastic" comes at around 2:27. He's clearly not using fantastic as a synonym to "Great" but as in "out there, unbelievable," considering he just said he didn't want to see people get killed.
Even if we take his video at face value and don't assume it is some sort of performance art: The article *is just wrong.*
He should have led with the punchline in the apology because the SJWs won't give him more than 10 seconds if that much. Instead he cleared the air by muddying the waters until near the end.
It is strange that we can't transgress the transgressors, for whom tolerance and diversity are one sided axes.
@ Shouting Thomas - So..... Are we to understand that you were gay-curious back then?
The threats, lawsuits, mob justice and general hysteria are the result, prof, of your (and your allies) attempts to frame common sense fear of homosexuality as an irrational form of bigotry.
The ills that befall homosexuals are of caused by their actions. Not somebody else's fault.
You've played a big role in stoking the hateful reaction of homosexuals by telling them that the negatives of being gay are somebody else's (the bigots') fault.
I find it weird that the author, who had a perfectly good hit piece, even if they interpreted the guy's comments literally assuming no deception (like I did) STILL felt the need to not bother checking their article against *the actual damn video.*
I'm open to being persuaded this was performance art, because when I was going through looking at it again to get the timing of things, a few things sound weird. Like, I don't see how one associates "faggot" with "sissyness." That's what the slur "queer" or "sissy" or "nancy" do, not "faggot." So, by forcing me to actually watch/listen to it again, I'm thinking maybe his delivery is just bad and it was intended to be Kaufmanesque performance art, just done by someone without the charisma to let us know we should be in on the joke.
@ Shouting Thomas - So..... Are we to understand that you were gay-curious back then?
I moved to SF in the waning days of the hippie era. I moved there to be in the music scene (and I was).
Almost overnight, in 1973, the whole scene turned gay. No, I have no interest in sex with men. The bath house scene went wild. My gay co-workers arrived at work every morning strung out from the previous night's orgy. They lined up bottles of supplements on their desks and spend the first 15 minutes washing the pills down with coffee, hoping to offset the drug and sex hangover.
The bath house and gay scene in that era was intensely evangelistic. It was as if a new religion had been discovered and that there were no dangers in all out anal sex with a dozen guys a night.
My gay men friends constantly tried to get me to attend the great new scene at the bath houses.
"Why do you want to have sex with women?" they'd ask me. "Women always set limits. With men, you can have all the sex you want."
And, of course, I appealed to the fantasy of every gay man... breaking the cherry of a virgin.
Every one of those guys is dead. I'm not dead, which is the answer to your question.
Why "homophobe"?
The guy says he doesn't like homosexuality.
He doesn't seem afraid of it, which is the meaning of "phobe"
"Cisphobia" (again, miscalled) seems to be perfectly OK. Why is this OK and homophobia not?
John Henry
"I think sometimes the gay crowd doesn't realize how offensive they can be unconsciously"
Why should they care?
Society has legitimated their conduct, paid for their illnesses, and discovered their right to marry in the Constitution.
They have been immunized against criticism.
Perhaps homophobes should be encouraging cisphobia. Cisphobes will self-segregate, as many of the more obnoxious blacks do.
Problem solved.
John Henry
Matthew, I think you hit on it with this part:
"The problem, if he was going for dark humor, is that he didn't stick to his tone and follow through."
I have watched the video twice, and I do think he was trying to make a point with some pretty black humor, but the apology just completely undoes it.
He should've just called them a bunch of cunts that need to get over themselves and he would've been in the clear.
Even Andy Kaufman had a hard time being Andy Kaufman.
Back then it was all behind the scenes. No party invites and no bookings. Don't romanticize.
And now, today, I've stumbled into "Disney remixer Pogo can’t walk back his homophobic comments on YouTube."
I love the people who get to decide who gets to walk something back and who doesn’t really need to. It’s generally the same people who decide what can be talked about and what can’t.
These are the people who brought you Trump.
A serious question for Althouse. You puffed up Rose McGowan. Isn’t she part of the whole mob mentality, the destroy-his-livelihood Twitter Industrial Complex? Isn’t she the Grand Kleagle Of That's Not Funny?
It's not easy to use the Andy Kaufman method. It wasn't easy for Andy. And it cannot work anymore. To be a comedian today, you have to not be a comedian.
Chris Rock and Jerry Seinfeld have been saying something like this for years now.
@ Shouting Thomas
I moved OUT of SF in 1973. We lived on Hartford. One block over from Castro St. The place was a mecca for Gays at that time. They really didn't bother us because we ignored the BS. We knew it was going on (all the debauchery that you state is TRUE) but didn't involve us.
There were some really good restaurants in the Castro district however :-) Cool boutique shops. Some of the best clothing too! Those Trannys really like good clothing and the SHOES! Sexy.
A good girlfriend of mine, with whom I moved to SF a few years before (in 1968) suddenly decided that she was Lesbian. OK. Whatever. By then I had been living with my boyfriend and moved out. My, now lesbian, friend and her girlfriend would sometimes hang with us as we were all still on the same Pool Tournament team. She was an excellent pool shooter. I have no idea what ever happened to them, since I moved far far away from SF and from that scene.
There were some of the "Gays" who led normal, domesticated, sedate lives. Living and working without all the mad debacles of sex sex sex. They were the minority and many of them moved on to other places also. Novato. San Rafael. They bought property in the 1970's and are probably millionaires now.
What you say is TRUE. The free for all of unprotected sex with multiple people. Drugs. Alcohol. Perversions. Infections being spread like wildfire. And no one saying STOP, you are killing yourselves, because it would be too uptight and not politically correct. We didn't have that term then but it was the same thoughts. It was the Hippie Dippy thing of doing your own thing. Age of Aquarius and all of that Bullshit. No one wanted to harsh the mellow. The truth could not be spoken or even thought about. As a result thousand of people died horrible lingering deaths.
My wife, the former Democrat, asked me this morning why Democrats are such bitter, hate-filled, ungenerous people. I have no good answer for her. Can anybody help out?
"You puffed up Rose McGowan. Isn’t she part of the whole mob mentality, the destroy-his-livelihood Twitter Industrial Complex?"
-- There's a difference between "Destroy this man because he said something" and "This man is a serial rapist that the power structure protects." I think that McGowan's initial target--Weinstein--probably deserved to be taken down.
"My wife, the former Democrat, asked me this morning why Democrats are such bitter, hate-filled, ungenerous people. I have no good answer for her."
-- I think that's unfair because, for the most part, the Democrats we're exposed to are the loudest. There are plenty who are good people, but have different political ideologies. I know plenty of Democrats who I quite enjoy spending time with; it helps to remember them whenever someone in the news or wherever goes full jackass.
That poor slob in Oregon just wanted to run a bakery.
Sablan
But she went far beyond Weinstein. And she has her “Rose Army”, and her demand that she be believed without proof or contradiction (“I am the proof” I think was her phrase). She has been part of several pile-ons.
I suppose that's true; I think though that it is important to draw a distinction between destroying random guy who says or believes something we don't like and actual rapist.
How would Wayland Flowers and Madame go over these days, one wonders.
I quite agree that Weinstein deserved his takedown. But RM was part of his coverup. She took the money, posed with him, kept silent. It was Ronan Farrow who exposed him.
@Matt Sablan, after Democrat efforts to suggest that Richard Spencer and David Duke are mainstream Republicans, I'm not in the mood to be fair.
Try again.
You can dance around it all you want, but we all know that homosexuals are broken. They don't work right, that's all. People come to accept that their children are homosexuals, they are not delighted to discover it. And if there were a pre-natal blood test for homosexuality (which there may soon be), the only people with homosexual children would be Christians.
I suppose that's true; I think though that it is important to draw a distinction between destroying random guy who says or believes something we don't like and actual rapist.
Not to the Left.
That's the problem.
the only people with homosexual children would be Christians
As the Down Syndrome children before them. Life deemed unworthy.
destroying random guy who says or believes something we don't like and actual rapist
Rape-rapists. Rapists are safe, maybe, possibly, selectively, if they are politically congruent (e.g. profitable).
The Left is basically just a snake that consumes itself. Ouroboros. without the infinity, wholeness, or rebirth part. It can't help itself. Could finally have stumbled onto a national slogan for the Dem Party: "We can't help ourselves." Literally.
Where people go wrong with the "homosexual is an abomination" is they don't understand that it is a birth defect.
Would you say conjoined twins were an abomination?
Would you say hermaphrodites were an abomination?
Would you say being born with a cleft lip is an abomination?
No, these are all birth defects, that the person had no vote on. They can fight it, or they can adapt to their defect.
Since there are millions with this particular homosexual defect, societies have decided to let them get a state marriage license and be taxed as joint spouses. This is seen as less dangerous than having cousins marry, as in the British monarchs.
The word abomination means hate, disgust, and loathing. All these things are not hip. They are not cool. Saying people who have cleft lips need to be shunned is just wrong.
On this Sunday morning, after a fine Latin service, I wish to express my hope that Pogo will go to Confessions and beg for forgiveness.
tim in vermont: Tim's law: in the future, everybody is going to be Sherman McCoy, but it's for life, not just fifteen minutes.
I overlooked this one. Great line.
I mean, really, when you get down to it, aren't gay men the true splooge stooges?
Gahrie said...I mean, really, when you get down to it, aren't [gay men] the true splooge stooges?
Replace [gay men] with [people born without arms] and ask yourself if you are still funny?
Where is your compassion? Does God sanction your continued existence?
I think Pogo may possibly have been trying to say that policing people's thoughts makes those thoughts worse. It's what Lenny Bruce used to say. And he may have decided to demonstrate what transgressive thinking would be. But really transgressive thinking goes against real power and real power when tyrannical really crushes. Real jails, real ostracism, real fines, real economic ruin. Really transgressive. And why expect support? - why should I support someone who supports the Pulse night club shooting albeit in some darkly ironic sense? As a Catholic prolife patriotic Republican supporter of Trump who opposes eugenics, I am already persona non grata on all sides for what I really believe in. I regard myself as mainstream, too. So, Pogo, if you want to transgress with purpose, mention Australia's falling birth rate. Ask what Alexander Downer was really doing. Talk about the Great Australian Gun Grab. Challenge climate change.
Or ... just be yourself. You probably don't want to transgress with a defined purpose. Perhaps you are Laszlo the Lost.
Three gay guys are sitting in a hot tub. All of a sudden a huge blob of semen
rises to the top of the water. First gay guy says 'Okay, who farted?'
For this and more see Gilbert Gottfried at George Takei's roast on Youtube.
LarsPorsena said...Three gay guys are sitting in a hot tub...
See, now that is funny. It is non-judgmental, but gut wrenching.
I am glad that Shouting Thomas is here to expose the limitations on free speech on this particular topic.
I don’t know what the hell Pogo was saying, but whatever it was, it was a really bad idea to record it, let alone put it out there.
When I was a lawyer, we would tell our clients about email that it would never go away and it could be sent around the world at the touch of a button, that irony did not come through in text, and that humor would be taken seriously. They never really listened.
The same things are true of video. If you say it, you will be taken to have meant it, at least by some. Look at the gymnastics people are going through on this thread to try to figure out what Pogo said. He said it, he posred it, he owns it.
Isn’t this fun?
Posted not posred.
I've lived in the DC area among liberals since 1979. One thing I discovered early on was that there was absolutely no relationship between someone's politics & their feelings (and I use the word "feelings" on purpose) on homosexuals & homosexuality.
I knew conservatives who thought being gay was an abomination before the Lord & conservatives who took a "Private lives are exactly that --- private" attitude. I knew liberals active in gay rights & liberals who were really uncomfortable around gays & on the subject of homosexuality in general. Hard Marxist Lefties especially had no use for gays, which makes sense, because that was the Party Line for decades. I knew gay men who'd say the rudest things about lesbians imaginable (no love lost there!). And don't even get me started on black men & their views on homosexuality!
My point is that a lot of people, especially on the Left, still probably aren't too fond of homosexuality, but they're now censoring themselves. Expect there to be quite a few more "outings" like Pogo as more of the Left get called out on their "honest" views from years back.
It looks like Pogo met the enemy & it was him.
At the Nuremberg Trials, Goering took the position that he was being quoted wildly out of context. He claimed that his statements were meant to start a dialogue and that some of the more malicious observations were, in fact, darkly ironic and that he was not responsible for the morons who could not understand his subtlety.
During the rectal exam of a gay guy the doctor spots a bouquet of flowers.
Doctor: 'I don't know or why the flowers are up there.'
Gay guy: 'Read the card'.
For this and more see Gilbert Gottfried at George Takei's roast on Youtube.
Fortunately, for Andy Kaufman, he's already dead or he would be murdered.
Why do you assume he's dead?
When SNL’er John Belushi died in March 1982, Kaufman was very upset — not for normal reasons, but because, as he told manager George Shapiro, “John Belushi is pulling my stunt, faking his death.”
...
Zmuda and Kaufman came to privately refer to it as “the dying routine.” In one of their final conversations on the matter, Zmuda says, they discussed his financial situation, since as Kaufman’s writer, Zmuda’s career was built around Kaufman’s. Kaufman suggested leaving Zmuda money, but he said no, as it could implicate him when Kaufman returned.
By then, Zmuda claims, Kaufman had decided on 30 years as the time frame for his hoax and that he would keep Margulies out of the loop, letting her believe he had really died.
And this -- on how to kill a comic:
[C]omedian Dave Chappelle told Zmuda at the Aspen Comedy Festival in 2005 that his own infamous exit from comedy, when he walked out on his Comedy Central show, was directly influenced by Kaufman.
After being summoned to see the comic, writes Zmuda, Chappelle announced to the few people in the room: “Folks, listen up. It was because of this man and Andy Kaufman that I quit my job!”
Zmuda says he “winced” in response and asked, “I did?”
Chappelle then told Zmuda that “Chappelle’s Show” “just wanted me to keep that same old step-and-fetch-it bulls- -t going. I wasn’t going to do it! I don’t care how much they paid me. That show was killin’ me. Now I know how Andy was feeling having to do ‘Taxi.’ ”
Two words: he ded.
Etienne said: No, these are all birth defects, that the person had no vote on. They can fight it, or they can adapt to their defect.
These being cleft palate, Downs Syndrome, and Homosexuality (among others). While there is not any definitive evidence that homosexuality is genetic, I will go with it as being a birth defect (as you say) for the purposes of argument.
You are conflating different things to be the same. The difference between physical manifestations like Cleft Palate, being born without arms and Homosexuality is that the latter is expressed through overt actions. The others are outward physical attributes.
While the internal being of homosexuality exists, the outward manifestation is controllable. The person with a Cleft palate can get surgery. The person who is homosexual can modify or control their actions to be acceptable to the culture in which they exist.
And BTW: I don't consider homosexuality as a status an abomination any more than I would consider a Downs child an abomination. What is an abomination is the way that 'some' people manifest their homosexual status.
If I were religious or Christian, which I am not, I suppose I would fall into the state of mind that some churches hold: deplore the sin (state of being) but love and support the sinner (the individual).
I'm an old man. I remember when there was more disgrace in being a homosexual than in being a homophobe. Time's change and different people adapt to changed times at different rates......It was okay to be against gay marriage when Obama was against it, but, after Obama changed his mind, your opposition became a symptom of homophobia and bigotry.
YoungHegelian said...
I've lived in the DC area among liberals since 1979. One thing I discovered early on was that there was absolutely no relationship between someone's politics & their feelings (and I use the word "feelings" on purpose) on homosexuals & homosexuality.
Andrew Sullivan called this the 'ick factor'. Its a visceral reaction. In some respects it is healthy. In being sexually attracted to women you reject sexual attraction to men and vice versa. Its probably causes the fewest problems to pick a team and stick to that team. My young daughter, who was taught for years by the liberal demagogues that control the education system, was watching a film with me in which two men kissed and literally went 'ick'.
from the Portland Soccer article that Micheal K linked:
One young man suggested that to hold nonconforming views on gay marriage ought to be in itself disqualifying from a career in journalism, on the theory that somehow such ideas are categorically incompatible with journalism per se. He also wanted to know how he was supposed to work with people who viewed certain aspects of his life as immoral. . .
The moderator insisted that journalists must “respect all people,” without apparently giving a nanosecond’s thought to the silent “except those who disagree with us, who must be exiled” at the end of her sentence. . .
You can decline to stand for “The Star-Spangled Banner,” but when they raise the rainbow banner, you’d damned well better stand up straight and salute.
I'm So Old, that i remember when college kids used to wear tShirts that read: Question Authority. Those were the days
Watching his first video, it seemed pretty clearly sarcasm, at least it seemed clear to me. I mean, if one's goal was to make a channel that made one's absolute hatred and disgust for gay people would it really be called "Faggotron?" Plus he has that juxtaposition with the Pulse Nighclub shooting that seems to be based in radical Islam, which the left continues to ignore as a danger to gay people existing now in America in favor of putting blinders on to maintain their dream of a multicultural idealized Utopia. I don't think there is a clear link between "Faggotron" and the lives of gay men being endangered or made substantially worse. There however is a clear link between Radical Islam and the lives of gay men being endangered or made substantially worse. I think his first sarcastic video does a good job of highlighting the false morality of people who get their panties in a bunch over faggotron but don't seem to care that much about Radical Islam and it becoming more prevalent in the west.
His explanation of how the channel name got started as him being an edgy teenager and making a name that he and his friends find funny seems the most plausible explanation. His explanation of Faggot also being seen primarily as just a general insult and not one always tied to sexual orientation seems about right for that time and that age group. This seems like another case of the outrage mob trying to get another scalp so they can play make believe that they are good and just people.
For what it is worth Pogo is friends and work acquaintances with Stephen Crowder, who is now currently at CRTV. Stephen Crowder is a conservative comedian who does something similar to the right wing version of the Daily Show. I believe Pogo lets Stephen Crowder use some of his music as his bumper music.
Being poor or having untouchable "f*** you" money doesn't suffice if you have children with their own families and careers, or relatives, business partners, companies one was once associated with even if one is no longer involved, etc. and etc.
Any person of consequence necessarily has a long span of people to whom he has responsibilities, that are vulnerable to retaliation. Best if none of that is inside the toxic bubble of retaliatory reach.
The problem is relieved somewhat by not being in the US or the Anglosphere in the first place. There is more genuine free speech possible on the outside, the periphery, of this global civilization, than on the inside, which is yet another reason I am pessimistic about the trajectory of civilization. The center of it is simply slavering with the urge to consume itself in some great holocaust.
Nobody liked the Gestapo except Hitler and his henchmen. Likewise, nobody likes the “gaystapo” except gays acting like Nazis.
Better to just life and let live instead of being in each other’s throats.
buwaya said...
The center of it is simply slavering with the urge to consume itself in some great holocaust.
Just as soon as they finish watching this seasons Keeping up with the Kardashians.
I think homophobia peaks during adolescence. Homosexuality is a door you just don't want to open. Plus that's the time in life when gays hit on you......I think the way that you're homosexual is more determinative of your character than your homosexuality. To shouting thomas's point, if you chose to have several hundred partners a year, you're frivolous, self indulgent, and destined for early death.
You would think that those dwarves would be so rich from that jewelry mine that they could have afforded a cleaning lady, at least. What was the point of all of that work?
ARM,
It is always a minority that creates holocausts.
In Spain, in 1936, it was just a few thousand people out of 25 million that started that war. Most of the combatants on both sides were compelled by conscription.
The rest would have been happy to stay home with their very popular radio entertainment, the hot thing of its time. They might even have appreciated Kardashians, after all they were quite happy with their equivalents.
The vast majority of any population are dragged along by a very very few committed ones. In this Lenin was not wrong.
Regarding those who have mentioned the "ick factor" in regards to homosexuality, there is some scientific evidence to support this.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19419899.2017.1328459
Basically they tested the saliva of straight men when they were shown various images, including two gay men kissing. The image of two gay men kissing elicited the same physiological response as images of things like rotting flesh and maggots. An increase in the presence of alpha-amylase an enzyme which is associated with the disgust response in humans. This response was seemingly universal regardless of how the person described their own personal and political views on homosexuality.
This is interesting because I had previously heard that sexual arousal suppresses the disgust response somewhat.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0044111
Dust Bunny Queen said...While there is not any definitive evidence that homosexuality is genetic...
This is not true. At the embryonic or pre-fetus stage, the template is female. The working recipe is female (we all have tits). The thing that creates men is called testosterone.
It's easy to see that any defect in testosterone is going to have an effect on the fetus.
There is a saying in medicine: you can't fix brain damage.
We are all obliged to teach our children to worship their brain. To not take chemicals that will damage the brain. It can't be fixed.
A homosexual cannot receive hormone therapy to change what has occurred. The lack of testosterone from the embryonic stage forward, has stamped all their cells. You can't fix it, thus it is a defect.
Now the social antics is another thing, but as they say: when given a lemon, make lemonade, and you might as well swish.
Asking a homosexual to control their defect, would be like asking a hump-back to stand up straight. It's insensitive at the least.
I was talking to my rheumatologist and she was saying she has male patients who are chronic obese, and they have large quantities of oestrogen. Chronic obesity, she said, has some serious side effects beyond what you would think. The penis shrinks, the breasts develop. She says she has one patient who's penis is the size of a clitoris, and his breasts are larger than hers.
I was a little confused by all of this, but she said I was 10 pounds overweight, and I think for my penis sake, I will start riding my bike more often!
And the power of a minority set of ideas is somewhat akin to that of fire superiority in military tactics.
Most of any military force in combat is not shooting at the other side, at least in the usual experience of mass warfare. Some few are shooting at each other, and that side that shoots the most can get the other to cower more, and shoot less. The less the enemy shoots, the more of your own can be encouraged to shoot also. That side with fire superiority can then be said to have suppressed its enemies, which gives them an opportunity to maneuver and take ground, improved positions with which to do more of the same.
Propaganda war in a modern society works in a similar way.
You have to have balls literally made of brass to say certain things- Pogo's balls are not made of brass.
“You can dance around it all you want, but we all know that homosexuals are broken. They don't work right, that's all. People come to accept that their children are homosexuals, they are not delighted to discover it. And if there were a pre-natal blood test for homosexuality (which there may soon be), the only people with homosexual children would be Christians.”
Not sure how well that will work. We shall see.
“Where people go wrong with the "homosexual is an abomination" is they don't understand that it is a birth defect.”
The question there is it environmental or genetic? Or sometimes one and sometimes the other? My guess is that it will turn out to be a bit of both, or more accurately, maybe, sometimes one, and sometimes the other. I think that there is evidence for both. For the most part, I think that we will find that males are mostly born straight or gay (with the environmental primarily involving in utero brain development). Not sure though about female homosexuality, where there seems to be a lot more crossover.
I think there is a great deal to the idea of imprinting, among males anyway.
Ideas are very powerful things, and education, of whatever sort, can make a great difference at a vulnerable age.
If a substantial proportion of homosexuality is a learned thing, through imprinting, of the desire and not even the practice (it may not require actual sexual abuse to introduce the idea), then a social consensus of it as an abomination is useful, in retaining the breeding potential of that proportion of males.
"There is a saying in medicine: you can't fix brain damage.
That is as simplistic as your response to Dust Bunny.
Brain damage is often repaired by the brain itself, particularly with younger patients whose brain is more plastic. Their brains have the ability to take on the functions of damaged areas. Occupational therapists are often able to restore a fair amount of functioning in stroke patients whose brain has ben damaged by an infarction.
Your belief that there is definitive evidence that homosexuality is genetic is relying on theory not empirical evidence. Correlations between different physical abnormalities and sexual preference cannot be used as causation. I happen to believe that some percentage of homosexuals were born that way, but there is no conclusive evidence to support that belief. Perhaps, convincing evidence will be found in the future.
I think there is a great deal to the idea of imprinting, among males anyway.
There was an interview in the 90s, on John and Ken (KFI Los Angeles) that I wish I could remember more details of. It was with a guy who made insect snuff films for guys who got off on it sexually. A woman's high heel crushing a bug.
The question was who would like stuff like that. The guy himself didn't get off on it but explained the psychology.
Some kid experiences sexual arousal when his mother steps on a bug or something, just by coincidence, and the two go together after that for him.
“Straight privilege” is something that our educators and social engineers are working very hard to define at this time. Straight privilege, like cis privilege, means not being burdened with social stigma and reproductive handicaps. It means for example, that even
an HIV positive man should be able find a willing ovum and womb to perpetuate his genes.
@Bruce H/Etienne,
Bruce's post hints at one of the great foundational problems: an hypothesis is proposed, generally using data generated from the examination of male homosexuals. The hypothesis more or less makes sense for males. Then, when it's extrapolated to female homosexuality, the hypothesis falls all apart.
It's almost as if male & female homosexuality are completely different things, united only by the fact that we choose the same word to name both of them. If homosexuality has some bio-chemical or (epi-)genetic foundation, why are the mechanisms so different for males & females?
One of the first steps in addressing the larger social & moral issues around homosexuality is for all of us to admit that we have no idea of its cause (and, no, there is no scientific consensus that it is genetic). The second step is for us as a society to address why we still are in that situation of ignorance.
The other matter is group dynamics. Most people aren't loners, they aren't seeking uniqueness. Some few are of course, but not most. If someone is open to imprinting and there is a homosexual community that is accepting, and offers companionship - see above dada's post re that group at a restaurant at Palm Springs, whose public behavior mode fed off each other.
How many are gay simply because through some set of social circumstances all their friends are?
Social anathema would suppress that.
“And if there were a pre-natal blood test for homosexuality (which there may soon be), the only people with homosexual children would be Christians.”
That is a great, great line. I will make many a liberal protesteth too much with it. Thank you.
The thing that I truly resent about Homosexuals (men and women) is that they and the agenda are constantly shoved in our faces. It is relentless.
Every show, it seems, anymore must have a lesbian or gay guy. Homosexuals. In the workplace. In school. As a couple. Irregardless of whether it adds to the plot line or whether it makes sense or whether it is historically accurate. MUST have the gays and even though it has nothing to do with the show, they will force it upon us.
We will be watching a show and all of a sudden, two of the female characters are lusting after each other and kissing. Or it is a guy who is gay and it becomes inserted (no pun intended) clumsily into the plot line. Similarly to having black people in shows where it is so historically absurd that it is sadly funny. At which point, we groan and say...Oh for fucks sake!! Enough already.
I don't have a problem if it is actually a relevant part of the story. Mostly it isn't.
We have been watching the remake of Lost in Space. So far they have ticked off most of the mandatory Politically correct character insertions. We are speculating that the Robot will turn out to be Alien AND Gay and maybe have the hots for Will Robinson who will eventually turn our to be a transvestite....check check and check.
Resentment of straight privilege probably explains a lot of LGBLT’s otherwise irrational hated of Donald Trump.
In Trump they see an obviously promiscuous man who is not chastised but rather rewarded with genetic perpetuity. This irks them.
All I can say is that I have encountered a large number of gay men and women personally and professionally over the last 40 years and by and large they are lovely, admirable, generous people. The lives they have lived is their testament to all of the rest of us.
They shame anyone who paints with too broad a brush.
DBQ wrote: “We will be watching a show and all of a sudden, two of the female characters are lusting after each other and kissing.”
Case in point, the German Netflix series “Charite’, set in the 1880s!
"Fortunately, for Andy Kaufman, he's already dead or he would be murdered."
Ha ha ha!
The great tragedy is all those talented people who have no progeny.
Their talent is a dead end, ultimately wasted.
The human breed does not benefit.
Homophobia is a made-up, bullshit word.
Nobody is afraid of homosexuals.
“The great tragedy is all those talented people who have no progeny.
Their talent is a dead end, ultimately wasted.
The human breed does not benefit.”
You could throw Jesus in that category. They would argue that they live on through their great works. The real problem is all the truly talentless genetic deadenders aping the talented.
Dust Bunny Queen said...Every show, it seems, anymore must have a lesbian or gay guy...
Hollywood is all about selling advertising. The industry makes money on the concept of a "target" audience".
Je vends, donc je suis - Descartes (I think)
Jesus wasn't human - ok, you can get all theological here, I actually did take classes on Christian heresies. The Catholic Church has them thoroughly taxonomized.
Anyway, human talent comes from a breeding population, not some few lone geniuses breeding true. Keeping a great part of the high-performance portion of humanity from breeding reduces the likelihood of geniuses emerging, and worse, possibly, reduces the number of non-genius high performers.
Hollywood is all about selling advertising. The industry makes money on the concept of a "target" audience".
And this 'targeting', social engineering attempts to shove their agenda down the throats of the so called Deplorables, is not working. The general public is staying away from movies in droves.
Get woke....go broke.
I like this remix, from Mary Poppins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Za-V_lhwGg
Jim at said...Homophobia is a made-up, bullshit word. Nobody is afraid of homosexuals.
Nyctophobia is made-up, bullshit word. Nobody is afraid of the dark.
"I knew an actor who was homophobic due to his bathophobia" - Elizabeth Taylor
Hegelian makes an interesting about apparent differences between gay men and lesbians. It helps to highlight the complex issue of nature versus nurture.
In my 30+ years as a psychologist, I have encountered many male and female homosexuals, both in a personal and professional capacity. My strong impression is that a far higher percentage of lesbians than gay men are sexually abused as children or adolescents.
I have heard way too many stories of girls being abused by brothers, stepfathers, uncles, grandfathers and Mom's boyfriends. I have heard far fewer stories of boys being similarly abused. It makes sense that a girl would choose a same sex partner after suffering trauma at the hands of men.
What percentage of lesbians have been sexually abused? I think it is pretty high. What percentage of gay males have been abused in childhood? I think it is relatively low. Who can explain the difference?
chickelit said...
Case in point, the German Netflix series “Charite’, set in the 1880s!
Pretty certain lesbianism is not a recent invention.
DBQ said
"The general public is staying away from movies in droves."
An instant is the length of time it takes me to turn off any movie or TV show that has gay scenes.
George Weinberg invented the word "homophobia". He created it when he witnessed some prejudice toward a lesbian.
He was a psychologist, and wanted to remove homosexual from the list of mental disorders.
It wasn't a mental disorder, it was a physical defect. One of these you can treat, the other is untreatable.
"You ever try to treat a man hit with artillery? It's difficult." - General Custer
Etienne,
Homosexuality is not a birth defect. Probably.
The evidence that gays are "born that way" seems to consist almost entirely of people repeating it over and over and over again
John Henry
“Pretty certain lesbianism is not a recent invention.”
I’m pretty certain that wasn’t the filmmakers intent. It’s historical revisionism, like Spielberg making Lincoln into
a gay proponent of interracial marriage.
The flood of pro-homosexual imagery in the MSM is an example of propaganda warfare. It is a question of volume and caliber, and these are purchased with floods of money.
There is a purpose to this, and the only immediate one I can think of is that a bunch of people that control a lot of money want to create a lot more homosexuals.
“There is a purpose to this, and the only immediate one I can think of is that a bunch of people that control a lot of money want to create a lot more homosexuals.”
It’s one of those questions easily solved by “following the money.”
Being attracted to women's genitals makes no sense rationally. Its making no sense is what makes it erotic. Nothing becomes objective about it. Yet it presents itself as interesting.
So it has to be wiring.
It's not difficult to think that gays don't have that wiring functioning.
I shouldn’t say “easily solved” because it is in fact well hidden.
So, Buwaya,
You are saying that homosexuals are made not born?
John Henry
No one has ever explained the evolutionary basis for Homosexuality. It doesn't seem to exist in the animal world - except on an almost freakish basis. How often does your male dog want to stick his dick up another male's rump, when a bitch is in heat?
Bob Hope has the best joke about what's happened:
“I've just flown in from California, where they've made homosexuality legal. I thought I'd get out before they make it compulsory"
Tolerance is no longer enough. Approval must be given - or you will be destroyed.
I think quite a lot of them are "made, not born", yes.
Chicklit: Case in point, the German Netflix series “Charite’, set in the 1880s!
BCaR: Pretty certain lesbianism is not a recent invention.
Of course it isn't.
What is objectionable and frankly insulting to the audience is that when you are watching an HISTORICAL drama set in a time long before ours, the show should be obligated to show the characters in an HISTORICALLY ACCURATE manner. Not as lesbians or homosexuals act today....but how the acted within the historical confines of their time and culture.
If you want to make up stories that have "the gay agenda" in it, then do so, but be accurate. Or make up a Sci Fi show where anything is possible. It is insulting to the intelligence of the audience.
Same deal with inserting Blacks and now..Muslim characters into plots where they could not even possibly exist or in situations where it would an impossibility according to the time frame of the show. Black Robin Hood? Seriously? Black Priests in England during the 1300's. Dafuck?
Just because you wish it to be so....doesn't make it so.
No human purpose is "rational" because there is no way to rationally derive one.
Ends have to be assumed, or derived empirically, with much assumption too. The methods applied towards these ends can be analyzed rationally, but that too often fails, lacking facts, or well-organized facts. Empiricism works better.
"There is a purpose to this, and the only immediate one I can think of is that a bunch of people that control a lot of money want to create a lot more homosexuals."
Hmmm. Just how much money are we talking about?
It wasn't that long ago that even gay activists thought that homosexuals were made not born.
The leadership (such as it was) of the 1950s/60sMattachine Society were adamant that their sexuality was freely chosen. Do you think that Jill Johnson was going to populate her Lesbian Nation with women who were "born that way"?
Nope. The fundamentalists in the 70s were right: the gays wanted to turn your children gay. If you don't believe it, go read the feminist & gay advocacy literature from the time. There's no hiding behind "born this way".
rcocean said...
No one has ever explained the evolutionary basis for Homosexuality.
Here ya go.
"I’ve said it before, but it’s probably time to say it again. The most likely explanation for human homosexuality is that it is caused by some pathogen. It’s too common to be mutational pressure (and we don’t see syndromic versions, as we would in that case), it’s not new, identical twins are usually discordant (~75% of the time), and it’s hell on reproductive fitness. ..."
rcocean said...No one has ever explained the evolutionary basis for Homosexuality
This is not true. People have been getting Doctorates on this shit for years.
A Three-fold nature: biology, psychology, and social influences.
Pick one, get your name plate.
rcocean said...No one has ever explained the evolutionary basis for Homosexuality
Etienne This is not true. People have been getting Doctorates on this shit for years.
Having a theory about something is not the same thing as having an actual factual explanation.
Supposition does not equal fact.
140-odd comments now, and maybe only five or six actually on point as to the post?
Maybe 'obtuse' is the new gay :)
Fernadistein,
I have the same problem with Cochrain's pathogenic explanation as I do with the genetic explanation: it doesn't work for both genders.
Why would a pathogen affect so many more men than women? I mean, it's certainly possible, but it doesn't likely on its face.
People have been getting all sorts of made-up bullshit doctorates for years.
John Henry
Anyone can make a video and put it on Youtube. Not everyone has to watch it.
As a matter of fact, the most watched videos are almost always directed towards the part of your brain that makes you want to scream.
The way to tell if something will offend you, is directly related to the number of video views registered.
Exception: Cat videos. These videos get a free pass.
The hateful, right-wing, habitual blog trolls trade in homophobia, racism, sexism, and Trumpism. Many of the comments here demonstrate ignorance, stupidity, arrogance, discrimination, intolerance, prejudice and bigotry. Such vile homophobia can lead to murder as in the case of Matthew Shepard or mass murder as was the case with the Pulse nightclub shootings. There is likely a genetic component to such bad attitudes and behavior. When a genetic screen become available, all such defective fetuses, approximately 50% of them, should be aborted. I advocate for the Genetic Liberation Abortion Action Movement (GLAAD), not to be confused with GLAAD (Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation). Humanity needs to be freed from such genetic freaks and monsters such as those that abound around here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLAAD
Kaufman played the part of a rich, cosmopolitan, aloof, Hollywood star. Today, that demographic is acting more like the honor-obsessed Memphis wrasslin' fan of the 80s.
"I’ve never liked a grown man acting like a 12-year-old girl."
He's obviously describing himself. The man remixes cartoons intended for children. If Pogo's rant was sarcastic, it would follow that he took the Pulse shooting very personally. Almost as if...
Trumpit said
"Humanity needs to be freed from such genetic freaks and monsters such as those that abound around here."
Wow!
I think that is where the progressive agenda would like to go.
A lot of the problems with human behavior derive from incompatibilities between the human animal, an ancient product of natural evolution (mediated by God of course), and the un-natural environments and societies man has created through technology.
Much of traditional human culture is an evolution of almost-as-ancient attempts to compensate for unnatural environments.
The illustrative demonstrations are Calhoun's "rat utopia" experiments. Humans, unlike rats, can adjust better because humans can develop persistent cultural traits to palliate the problems of "utopia", but they are not going to solve them. Especially not when "utopia" itself mutates in such a way as to defeat those elements of culture that have evolved as counters.
If we could breed humans without a penis, it would solve all of humanities problems.
We would no longer need to pollute our water table and rivers with antibiotics.
Women could go to a store and pick the sperm she wanted in the frozen meat department, that was extracted from the testes of sperm donors for the same price as blood plasma.
I think this is where we need to go in medicine.
GLAAD (a high-school pro-gay organization), and I have run across them, strike me as one of the most pernicious organizations around, devoted to firmly setting such failures of identity in young, impressionable people. And they are everywhere.
It takes little imagination to imagine how many families are on the road to dying out, unable to produce new generations, through things as GLAAD. It is, like so many other phenomena, or deliberate efforts (a look at funding might be interesting), a mechanism of extermination.
I'm not sure what room Trumpit ended up in in his version of rat utopia. The human version is certainly going to be vastly more complex than the rodent one, with many more categories of disorders than those rats can invent. But the fact of personal, familial and social failure is not going to change.
"If we could breed humans without a penis, it would solve all of humanities problems.
Maybe. It would also take away a lot of pleasure from my perspective.
a mechanism of extermination.
my favorite:
Telling women to 'wait until you've established your careers' (age 30+) before considering to begin to think about if you might want to start planning a family...
If an woman waits until she's in her mid thirties to have her first child; on average, how many children will she have? Less than two?
Meanwhile, the Amish are having children left and right. Do we Really Want to be taken over by a bunch of buggy riding cabinet makers? </sarc?
"If we could breed humans without a penis, it would solve all of humanities problems.
Maybe. It would also take away a lot of pleasure from my perspective.
I either get a lot of pleasure or Blogger is acting up again.
Fernandistein said...
rcocean said...
No one has ever explained the evolutionary basis for Homosexuality.
Here ya go.
"I’ve said it before, but it’s probably time to say it again. The most likely explanation for human homosexuality is that it is caused by some pathogen. It’s too common to be mutational pressure (and we don’t see syndromic versions, as we would in that case), it’s not new, identical twins are usually discordant (~75% of the time), and it’s hell on reproductive fitness. ..."
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Please explain severe myopia.
Definitely common, with obvious evolutionary disadvantages to those afflicted before the invention of spectacles.
Also, why would a pathogen hit men overwhelmingly? Why not a recurring change in the Y chromosome?
Such vile homophobia can lead to murder as in the case of Matthew Shepard
Or drug dealing gone awry, as with Shepard.
Blogger Etienne said...
If we could breed humans without a penis, it would solve all of humanities problems.
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Yeah, never mind that it would end the string of inventions that make human life today so much more comfortable today--- virtually all from the minds of humans with penises.
"Please explain severe myopia."
Probably related to reading and playing video games.
Ethnic Chinese teenagers in Australia have 1/3 the degree of myopia that the Singapore Chinese have.
The difference? The Australian kids play outdoors and probably do a lot more focusing on distant objects.
The Chinese are convinced it is sunlight and are building classrooms with translucent walls. They can't get the parents to let the kids play outside.
Homosexuality has been around a long time and may be related to social customs. The classical Greeks kept women in harems, sort of like Arabs.
Trumpit,
The Matthew Shepard story is a deliberate attempt to build a gay hagiography. The standard version is not quite the whole truth, as is discussed in this article in that definitely-not-alt-right mag, The Nation. By the way, I remember reading the reports at the time of the murder in the Denver paper, & it was clear when you read between the "Nil nisi bonum..." lines of what MS' classmates said, that he was into some shady stuff. That just got quickly forgotten because it didn't help "The Narrative".
As for the Pulse murders, that was an Islamic radical. It isn't our team who indulges those clowns, so don't go blaming us for that one. The FBI looking the other way on Junior because Daddy was an informant was nothing conservatives signed off on. You may have noticed conservatives & the FBI haven't seen eye to eye for quite some time now.
Myopia is certainly largely genetic, or at least the predisposition to it is, as there are environmental causes too, such as reading too much at an early age.
I have severe myopia from my mother, and goodness knows I have done my part to develop it too! But none of our kids have it, thank goodness.
Its also one of those genetic defects that pertain to civilization, where natural selection no longer works to eliminate those expressing the trait.
Its well established that myopia is much more common in populations that have been civilized longer, and so also it seems is the genetic predisposition.
Jay Elink said......the string of inventions that make human life today so much more comfortable today...
We could get a Rotisserie without a penis. "Set it and Forget it!"
"I don't know, man, what if my girlfriend finds out?"
"Dude, with this ho, you've just got to set it and forget it."
Remember "Brokeback Mountain"?
9 out of 10 people tbink it was about gay cowboys.
If everyone realizd it was about gay sheep herders it would harsh the narrative.
Lots and lots of jokes about gay sheepshaggers.
That's interesting. I started typing sheepshaggers and was only 5 letters in before androidsuggested it.
John Henry
it seems is the genetic predisposition.
Oh yes., My middle daughter was severely myopic and had LASIK at age 18. She is back with glasses now but it is not as bad as it was.
I thought the question is about severe myopia.
I would like to see a study on military recruits' incidence of myopia now and in WWII. It is very very common now.
I think it is partly genetic and partly behavioral. The mandarin culture in China seems to be a factor. I don't know about culture in Japan.
Heterosexual pride day.
If men didn't have penes, there would be no more talk about the cunt from Sally Field and her bitch: Samantha Bee. Ivanka would be just another Walmart shopper mom.
Whore and Bitch would go the way of Beldam...
> If we could breed humans without a penis, it would solve all of humanities problems.
Or if woman only went into heat on rare occasions. Although I can imagine wild parties where pheromones were spritzed into the air, followed by much fighting and pole humping. Heck, a vial of pheromones opened while Congress was in session could bring down the country. History would be very different.
Myopia:
Definitely common, with obvious evolutionary disadvantages to those afflicted before the invention of spectacles
And maybe a few evolutionary advantages as well, in that those with myopia (nearsighted) are very good at seeing things up close in high detail. I know because my distance sight is horrific, but the joke at my house is that I can actually see how many angels are dancing on the head of that pin. I'm very good at being able to sew tiny things, remove splinters, see little details close up. The elephant sitting on the other side of the yard.....not so much.
If you live in an environment, like a dense jungle or forage at the shore of the ocean for food, where being able to see big distances is not much of an advantage perhaps the genetic elimination of myopia wasn't so important at that time.
Practically everyone on my paternal side of the family is very nearsighted and needed glasses at early ages.
P,S. I would be very very disappointed if men were bred to not have penises.
It's always struck me as sad and frustrating that the groups who, historically, should be most aware of the dangers of statism (Gays, Jews, Blacks and women) are groups most lockstep in support of the "liberal" Cult of the State. I don't have the breakdown on Prof. Rummel's figures on Democide ("enemies of the State" slaughtered by Big Brother and his minions) but I would imagine that a significant chunk of the 150,000,000 to 350,000,000 murdered by the State in the 20th Century were members of some hated minority or other. (Jews in the Third Reich come immediately to mind.) Maybe it's a case of the Stockholm Syndrome.
Minorities of many kinds are very often leery of a democratic, populist regime.
Traditionally it was the elite, the crown and its supporters, and often even the church hierarchy that protected Europes Jews from popular hostility. So also in Muslim lands, Jews and even Christians were protected by the hand of the Sultan, in Morocco or Egypt.
William Chadwick said...
It's always struck me as sad and frustrating that the groups who, historically, should be most aware of the dangers of statism
How is this any different to 'What's the Matter with Kansas?'.
Local mob rule apparently holds even more terrors than statism for minority groups, just much more poorly documented.
Matthew Sheppard:
So, Lots of people (including Matthew's mom) were complaining that Wyoming didn't have stricter penalties for 'hate crimes'.
And the State of Wyoming said: We're going to EXECUTE them, how much stricter do you think there is?
And Matthew's mom said; "Oh, that's SO TERRIBLE! There's 'been enough killing!' and she begged the judge to reduce their sentences; and so the judge did (stupid judge)
NOW Matthew's mom spends all her time talking about 'the need for special hate crime laws.' Kinda makes me wonder.
Is it now mandatory to like homosexuality?
Thank you, Professor Althouse, for your devotion to free speech.
The word "gay" is more suggestive to me of the sodomized than the sodomizers. The latter do tend to be evil (to various degrees), but the sodomized should be viewed as victims. I actually suspect that most (indiscriminate) sentiment against 'gays' is actually from sodomizers. It's more obvious with women. Pretty obvious that most of the people ranting about nasty bitches, etc., are men who would be only be too glad to defile them to make them more nasty-bitch like. After forcibly sodomizing someone (or just supplementing sex with sodomy) and then being physically rough (common after sodomy since semen contains algesic chemicals that can make the physical abuse more terrifying and controlling), a typical justification is that the nasty nature of the victim made him or her want and deserve it--"he's gay" or "she's a bitch".
That said, sodomizers may try very hard to turn their sodomized victims into homicidal zombies just so the former can have a mystique of cleanliness. It's hard to hate while being subjected to a love potion like sodomy, and so sodomizers may well want people to think those around them can hate others while loving them, even if that means forcing or tricking (usually with mystical mummery) others into killing. And male zombies have a way of being more dangerous than female zombies, because the former can turn around and be zombifiers themselves by imitating their zombifiers, giving rise over time to secret zombie armies of girl killers, terrorists, assassins, etc. that can act murderously in analogous ways even when isolated from their centralized chain of control just like zombies can (this possibility of isolation allows them to be especially covert and underappreciated in their existence). Female zombies too can be homicidal maniacs, but it's not like they are contagious. You can't catch zombie contagion from a female zombie--they can't sodomize. So I suppose that might be one reason one might be against male homosexuality more than males sodomizing females, though both are wicked. But I don't think much of what Pogo has to say--he's absurdly and immorally indiscriminate in his hate.
I don't see what humor has to do with anything here. I don't think Pogo was trying to be funny, and there is nothing funny about the topic. Nay, sodomy is a highly black-and-white binary matter--literally a question of one hole vs. another--while silly lies between true and false (for statements P I define "silly P" as "false false (P and not P)" and which besides the classical true and false is a third truth value (which at an even more highly refined level I'm inclined to think may profitably be divided further into other truth values)). Humor by its very nature is not binary because it requires at the least tertiary thinking.
If you live in an environment, like a dense jungle or forage at the shore of the ocean for food, where being able to see big distances is not much of an advantage perhaps the genetic elimination of myopia wasn't so important at that time.
Interesting points.
It is genetic and the genes are known, but that does not explain the increasing incidence.
The incidence of high myopia is increasing worldwide with myopic maculopathy, a complication of myopia, often progressing to blindness.
There are associated complications, as well.
In this Asian adolescent population, tilted optic discs were highly prevalent, in contrast with the lower prevalence reported in Caucasian populations. Eyes with tilted discs tended to have smaller optic cups with smaller cup-to-disc ratios, and were associated with myopic refraction, higher astigmatism, and longer axial length
Interesting.
Men without penises?
Another Chuck, fopdoodle extraordinaire, thread?
Hard pass.
"The word "gay" is more suggestive to me of the sodomized than the sodomizers."
That homophobic rant of yours gets a big fat FAIL from me.
etbass said...
Trumpit said
"Humanity needs to be freed from such genetic freaks and monsters such as those that abound around here."
Perhaps that's what that doctor felt about Trumpit's mother.
Blogger Shouting Thomas said...”Thank you, Professor Althouse, for your devotion to free speech.”
Althouse takes a pounding.
exiledonmainstreet wrote: “Perhaps that's what that doctor felt about Trumpit's mother.”
That’s not funny.
Chicklit, that comment is a bit like Chelsea Clinton bemoaning the fact that her grandmother could not get an abortion.
We all cheered her on. If only....
The Real Question is:
Whatever this Pogo believes; WHY Did He Make That Video?
i just don't see what he thought the end result would be?
When I tell jokes, it's 'cause i want someone to think i'm witty
When I insult people it's so i can feel good about myself
He must have thought that if he made it, there'd be approval; 'cause the only reason anyone does Anything is for some sort of approval (from Somebody).
hipsters would approve? It wasn't funny, and i don't see how anyone could think it was
Pogo himself would approve? (I insulted people, yea!)
Did he think that 'homophobes' would approve?
I may (or may not) have some Pretty far out ideas, but i'm not going to air them where people could see (especially when they aren't my real ideas)
Dust Bunny Queen said...
Myopia:
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What you said.
Until I had cataract operations I was the go-to guy in our family if someone had a splinter or needed a fine stitch done. I could focus right up to 4 inches from my nose.
Now I find myself needing to use a magnifying glass on small print!
Blogger Michael K said...
"Please explain severe myopia."
Probably related to reading and playing video games.
>>>you're an MD and all you got is "probably"? Please explain why 22% of the global population is afflicted.
>>>Is EVERYONE playing video games? Were they playing them 50 years ago, when millions were afflicted all over the world? Or for a couple thousand years before that?
Ethnic Chinese teenagers in Australia have 1/3 the degree of myopia that the Singapore Chinese have.
>>>So what? Are the Australian Chinese teens genetically the same as the Singaporeans? (and are you measuring teenagers-to-teenagers in both countries?? How big is your sample?
>>>Chinese worldwide have a much higher risk for myopia than other ethnic groups. Is that also due to.....video games? Or maybe, just maybe, genetics plays a role.
The difference? The Australian kids play outdoors and probably do a lot more focusing on distant objects.
>>>Again, there's that "probably". Do you actually do any SCIENCE? Did you ever actually do ANY?
The Chinese are convinced it is sunlight and are building classrooms with translucent walls. They can't get the parents to let the kids play outside.
>>>? Ja...und? Are you saying they are right? What evidence, what experiments, what controls?
Homosexuality has been around a long time and may be related to social customs. The classical Greeks kept women in harems, sort of like Arabs.
>>>Have you been dipping into the opioids tonight, Doctor? "May be related"? WHICH social customs are so universal that they have promoted homosexuality over several thousand years?
>>>How would Greeks keeping women in harems, if it happened, have anything to do with homosexuality?
>>>HOW would social customs promote homosexuality over the centuries while at the same time despising and condemning it adherents?
Bottom line: behavior may have an effect on the modern incidence of myopia, but the genetic component has been evident for thousands of years. Homosexuality has been with us for just as long, with no convincing evidence that for most it's simply a "lifestyle choice".
Hey, Andrew Dice Clay still has a thriving career. Who'da thunk it. Shouldn't someone be murdering him?
Who is most hated or unwelcome?
gays,
blacks
homophobes
hipsters
vegans
fatties
alcoholics
intellectuals
politicians
rubes
conservatives
terrorists
crackers
homeless
If we could breed humans without a penis, it would solve all of humanities problems.
In five hundred years women would be back in caves dodging bears and big cats as they finally get picked off one by one. Or should we men kill all of the large predators before we go?
Here's a Reddit discussion of it that includes a lot of 'reminds me of the time I took LSD.'
No it doesn't.
There's a guy posting under the name "ItsLSD" but nobody, including that person, mentioned LSD in their posts.
ARM, I suppose the victims of Democide, as they were digging their own graves and awaiting the bullet in the back of the neck, could comfort themselves with the thought, "Well, at least I'm being murdered by the State, and not some unruly mob."
Given that leftists almost always eat their own, maybe you, too, can comfort yourself with that idea someday!
What are they singing in the Alice video, all I can hear is "Many say all things about the book of the trouble. Is this a Rorschach test?
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