There is a new water conservation law, signed a few days ago by Governor Jerry Brown, that "mandates for water districts and municipalities, and water agencies can be fined if they fail to meet conservation goals (but not until 2027)."
"There is nothing in this bill to target households or companies. Water use objectives are on territory-level of a water agency. There is nothing regulating the time a person may shower or when they may or may not do laundry."Don't spread fake news. Maybe you don't like this law or rankle at too much government regulation, but what do you propose for a heavily populous state with chronic water shortage problems? Here's a suggestion for a conservative answer: Let the democratic processes within California determine what to do about a California problem.
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Origional Mike: California has a water Storage shortage because environmentalists who read but did not understand Cadillac Desert
New water and energy saving dishwashers are more efficient and sanitary than hand washing.
No one needs a diswasher. You may want one, as is your right, but no one needs one.
Once again, you don't get to define what a person does and does not need.
And you never will.
It's the same bullshit Inga tries to pull. And then you wonder why I think you're just a bunch of totalitarian thugs.
Forget about liberalism and conservatism here. Pragmatism is the only answer.
California is growing. It can’t continue to grow towards prosperity if there are water use “objectives.” Objectives are just a subterfuge for laws. Laws that can’t be passed.
The only prudent thing to do in CA is to build big water projects like Hetch Hetchy. But the Left doesn’t like the “destruction” of nature and building aqueducts.
California is ungovernable.
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Fifty-thousand newcomers -- that's 50,000 -- were turned away last MONTH alone at our Southern border.
We are rationing water here, when we still haven't secured our borders? Why?
This is insanity.
First you fix the hold in the bucket before you keep pumping more water into it. Trump voters understand this. They call us racists, but it is pragmatism and understanding that natural resources, and government entitlement programs, need to be motitored and rationed.
And our borders need to be secured...
From the Marin Municipal Water District website average usage is 147.47 gallons per person per day.
(Based on estimated population of 186,000. Includes all customer categories, including residential, commercial, institutional, and irrigation.)
That seems to be quite a ways from 55 gallons per day.
http://www.marinwater.org/300/Water-Watch
You owned a dishwasher for four years. You named it Cookie.
Half full is still way too much. Waist high on a little kid is not a half full bathtub. And by the time they are any bigger, they can accept a shower. You're living in a place with a bad water shortage, so showers need to be understood as the norm.
And you can learn to take a quick shower. 8 minutes really is too long. You can learn to turn off the water while you soap up and turn it back on to rinse. Learn to be efficient when using a scarce and shared resource.
Teach responsibility to your children and model it for them.
By the way, cut their hair short so it's faster to rinse. Crew cuts in summer for the boys and pixie cuts for girls.
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Ann,
If you start preaching, "If it's yellow, let it mellow but if it's brown, flush it down!", I think I'm going to bust another gut...
U funny sometimes.
A rich hippie gal, 50 years too late.
Also, kids are small and can share the bathtub.
Not together, just don't drain the water and refill for each one every summer night.
It also incentives them to not be the last one to come in for the night...
(You can shave the girls' heads too nowadays, althouse. Think emma gonzalez and if she would care more about conserving water or having flowing tresses...)
incentivIZes, rather
Also, if they keep drinking the tap water, buy them juice and pop.
It's better for the State.
Mother's Lament (written by all three members of Cream)
A mother was washing her baby one night;
The youngest of ten and a delicate mite.
The mother was poor and the baby was thin;
'Twas naught but a skeleton covered with skin.
The mother turned 'round for a soap off the rack.
She was only a moment but when she got back
Her baby had gone, and in anguish she cried,
"Oh, where has my baby gone?" The angels replied
Oh, your baby has gone down the plug hole.
Oh, your baby has gone down the plug.
The poor little thing was so skinny and thin,
He should have been washed in a jug, in a jug.
Your baby is perfectly happy;
He won't need a bath anymore.
He's a-muckin' about with the angels above,
Not lost but gone before.
"'No one needs a diswasher. You may want one, as is your right, but no one needs one.'
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"
A meaningless non-sequitur.
"Once again, you don't get to define what a person does and does not need.
And you never will."
Have a whiny fit all you like, it doesn't change reality: No one needs a dishwasher, (excepting exceptional circumstances such as disability, etc.).
"New water and energy saving dishwashers are more efficient and sanitary than hand washing."
If true, this makes them a wonderful convenience for those who want them.
"'progressive' and 'fascist' are synonyms."
Well, of course they're not. No wonder your thinking is confused: you don't know your English!
"That's why he is comfortable telling us that we don't "need" dishwashers and would be perfectly comfortable using as much force as if might take to keep us from having one."
Fight the good fight, Donny Quixote!
"'progressive' and 'fascist' are synonyms."
Well, of course they're not. No wonder your thinking is confused: you don't know your English!
Depends on what you're 'progressing' toward. I'm sure the Brownshirts considered themselves Progressive.
"I'm sure the Brownshirts considered themselves Progressive."
I doubt it. If anything, I'd guess they saw themselves as champions of the "old virtues" that had made Germany great but had been corrupted and erased by malign modern tendencies.
Now, some self-professed "progressives" certainly can be and have been "fascistic" in their dogmatic zeal to impose their notions of right-ideas and right-behavior on everyone else--see the existence of hate crimes laws and "safe spaces" on college campuses and overreacting networks canceling their most popular television program--but it is simply an error of meaning to say "progressive" and "fascist" are synonyms.
Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive. Most conservatives for get that.
Cookie claims progressives aren't fascists after repeatedly stating nobody needs a dishwasher. Lulz
Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive. Most conservatives for get that.
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a Trust-Busting Progressive
Most Trump voters get that.
Fabi, a factual observation that no one needs dishwashers is not a dictatorial edict forbidding their purchase or use.
"a Trust-Busting Progressive
"Most Trump voters get that."
Is Trump busting any trusts?
Blogger Robert Cook said...
"'progressive' and 'fascist' are synonyms."
Well, of course they're not. No wonder your thinking is confused: you don't know your English!
And the difference between the ideologies is?
I keep asking that question here and elsewhere and keep getting nothing.
I am pretty sure, based on many past comments of yours that you have no more idea than my goat what "Fascism" or even "fascism" is about as an ideology.
And I don't even have a goat!
John Henry
AA said...
Half full is still way too much. Waist high on a little kid is not a half full bathtub. And by the time they are any bigger, they can accept a shower. You're living in a place with a bad water shortage, so showers need to be understood as the norm.
And you can learn to take a quick shower. 8 minutes really is too long. You can learn to turn off the water while you soap up and turn it back on to rinse. Learn to be efficient when using a scarce and shared resource.
Teach responsibility to your children and model it for them.
By the way, cut their hair short so it's faster to rinse. Crew cuts in summer for the boys and pixie cuts for girls.
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Esposito: From this day on, the official language of San Marcos will be Swedish. Silence! In addition to that, all citizens will be required to change their underwear every half-hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside so we can check. Furthermore, all children under 16 years old are now... 16 years old!
Fielding Mellish: What's the Spanish word for straitjacket?
Mockturtle,
The brownshirts were National Socialists.
The Facists wore black shirts.
Not much of a distinction, of course since National Socialism, as an ideology is also synonymous with progressivism.
John Henry
The guys who rousted that filmmaker aftet Benghazi were wearing brown shirts too.
Just sayin'...
John Henry
The solution to California's water problem is boring, lackluster, unsexy, retention ponds and man made lakes to capture the ample water supply that comes down the Sierra's. The water system was designed for 7 million in the 1940's now the population is nearly 40 million. Most of our water dumps into the pacific ocean it wouldn't take that much to capture it but the local population doesn't have the will to do it.
Get ready to save water: Permanent California restrictions approved by Gov. Jerry Brown
BY TARYN LUNA AND ALEXEI KOSEFF - sacbee.com
Updated May 31, 2018 12:57 PM
The drought may be over, but California residents should prepare themselves for new and more permanent restrictions on water use.
Gov. Jerry Brown signed a pair of bills Thursday to set permanent overall targets for indoor and outdoor water consumption.
Assembly Bill 1668 by Assemblywoman Laura Friedman, D-Glendale, and Senate Bill 606 from state Sen. Bob Hertzberg, D-Los Angeles, give water districts more flexibility than the strict cuts mandated under Brown’s emergency drought order and will eventually allow state regulators to assess thousands of dollars in fines against jurisdictions that do not meet the goals.
"In preparation for the next drought and our changing environment, we must use our precious resources wisely," Brown said in a statement. "We have efficiency goals for energy and cars – and now we have them for water.”
The laws set an initial limit for indoor water use of 55 gallons per-person per-day in 2022, which gradually drops to 50 gallons per person by 2030.
Just how consumers will be required to meet the goals remains unknown.
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Indoor water use limit will be 55 gallons per person per day in 2022. Daily usage currently averages about 200 gallons per capita. Some 255,000 homes and businesses statewide have no meters. and meters that differentiate between indoor and outdoor usage will require sub-meters as well.
Sacramento is installing meters at a cost of of $416 million to be completed in 2025 - so the capital city will become a lawbreaker in 2022.
Orange County is basically using recycled water for much of its supply.
Sewage gets treated, and dumped in the Santa Ana river, which replenishes the water table, which is then pumped.
And lots of recycled water used for outdoor watering. If you see purple pipes, it’s recycled.
There is a huge issue with leaking water mains, many of them over 100 years old and just ignored, till you have a flood such as at a UCLA library...
Gk1 asserts: The solution to California's water problem is boring, lackluster, unsexy, retention ponds and man made lakes to capture the ample water supply that comes down the Sierra's.
And the solution to Seattle area traffic is--gasp!--more freeways!!! Not more trains and tunnels. But that's not likely to happen.
Have you folks looked up any articles about the shortage in Capetown, South Africa?
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I will tell you exactly why Snopes is wrong.
Yes, the California bill only makes rules for water districts, not for individual consumers. But the only way the water districts can comply with the rules is by making identical rules for individual consumers. Which they will.
This is exactly how it worked in the last California water panic.
Thread capper in this article posted at Instapundit. Althouse you can meander blithely down a path on your ebike if you like but you can't stop the truth. This post was an example of fake, fake news.
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