I'm seeing this billed as a Dershowitz "melt down," but I think Painter is the one who creates the tension by interrupting Dershowitz and introducing the accusation of lying.
Dershowitz wants to speak (with passion) about prosecutorial ethics, and he criticizes Mueller, but Painter insists on policing a don't-impugn-Mueller ethic that's incredibly aggravating. Painter also has a louder, clearer microphone. I don't know if that's by design, but it is MSNBC.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 444 Newer› Newest»The indictments against Gates and Manafort are about to be thrown out by the judge. It was cherry picked from an old indictment that had be shelved and is not within the scope of the mandate of the Special Counsel. Judge Ellis (a black man so you should get ready to pull out all of the Clarence Thomas attacks)will vacate these plea bargains and throw these cases out of court. Mike Flynn has delayed sentencing because he is going to rescind his deal. The entire house of cards is collapsing and the Deep State is panicking.
President Trump is manifestly not.
It is interesting how Ritmo feels that the Deep State and the federal bureaucracy is entitled to disregard the election...
It is uninteresting how langford peel the antisemite feels that Donald Trump is entitled to disregard the constitution.
Free people and the aristocracy will always be in conflict. The aristocracy cannot allow us to be free and we cannot allow them to control us.
They controlled you when they said they wanted a permanent and unbudgeted tax cut that you put on your Bank of China credit card bill and you rolled over and said, "Thank you Sirs can I take another!"
President Trump is not disregarding the Constitution. He has not violated it the way your boy Obama did. In fact he is asking Congress to fulfill their Constitutional duties. He is fulfilling his and has been stymied by the Democrats and Democratic partisans on the bench.
Please illustrate where he has violated the Constitution. Show your work. Your bald assertion does not convince anyone of anything.
langford peel said...
Buwaya's erudite comments about the similarity to the days of the Roman Republic is always interesting and on point.
Discussing the nature of the aristocracy and the constants of society is more fun than listening to the stalinists and their drivel.
The difference is that as Achilles states the Red Coats are actually the sons and daughters of these Patriots not the elite aristocracy.
There is a federal police force. The redcoats will be made up of various FBI/DEA/NSA agents.
When the time comes they will not be marching to Lexington and Concord.
The aristocracy has tentacles in places like San Francisco and New York. But the head of the snake is obvious and concentrated. We will all be going to DC.
All 3 would cheer if the FBI kicked in my door and shot me in front of my kids.
Oh, you have quite the martyr complex, don't you Mr. Domestic Terrorist wanna-be. Why don't you change your name from your Greek demi-god and just change it to Jesus Christ the Messiah already? Is your crown of thorns uncomfortable? Is your cross heavy? Do those nails through your hands and feet hurt? Man what a fucking pussy-ass beta you are.
Also I am not an antisemite. I have a problem with the coloreds not the hebes.
They are very clever. As the God Emperor has said you always need a few of the little guys in the yarmulkes to be your accountants.
Get your insults right pal.
Urine boy
That said, you would cheer wouldn't you?
They are very clever. As the God Emperor has said you always need a few of the little guys in the yarmulkes to be your accountants.
I'm sure a few of them will be quite talented in seeing to it that he gets jailed, too.
And then we'll see your true colors.
President Pee-Pee Tape said...
They controlled you when they said they wanted a permanent and unbudgeted tax cut that you put on your Bank of China credit card bill and you rolled over and said, "Thank you Sirs can I take another!"
Trump allowed me to keep more of my money. Millions of people like me get to keep more of our own money.
All of the squealing has come from Millionaires in New Jersey, New York, and California whose taxes all went up because they can't deduct more than $10,000 in state taxes.
I can look at the actual bill and describe how the tax burden actually shifted. You parrot some stupidity.
Stop being a fucking idiot.
Of course they would cheer. Just as he cheered the murders by the FBI at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Just as he cheered the government lies about Bundy and the ranchers fighting the land grab of the BLM. Just as he cheers the cop killers of Black Lives Matter. Just as they cheer ANTIFA who try to beat down Trump supporters in the street and disrupt every conservative speaker on campus.
Their act is always the same. We know where they are coming from.
The problem for most of America is that they give them the benefit of the doubt.
"I'm sure a few of them will be quite talented in seeing to it that he gets jailed, too.
So President Trump is going to get jailed now? You are quite insane you know. If they had any financial crimes on him he would been discredited and jailed a long time ago as they have audited him for twenty years.
Keep dreaming silly boy.
Of course the Mueller inquisition is unpopular, just about everything Hillary Clinton thinks up is unpopular, except maybe hard liquor before 5 pm.
That said, you would cheer wouldn't you?
Do you cheer on mass incarceration? Or declining/stagnating wages? Or a government that's bought and paid for?
Or do you just cheer on some poor schmuck's inability to to tell the difference between his loony tunes martyrdom complex and your own globalist banker's agenda? He's ideological cannon fodder to you and you need folks like him to stay poor and angry so that asshole guys like you can get more bankers in office to help you out.
President Pee-Pee Tape said...
All 3 would cheer if the FBI kicked in my door and shot me in front of my kids.
Oh, you have quite the martyr complex, don't you Mr. Domestic Terrorist wanna-be. Why don't you change your name from your Greek demi-god and just change it to Jesus Christ the Messiah already? Is your crown of thorns uncomfortable? Is your cross heavy? Do those nails through your hands and feet hurt? Man what a fucking pussy-ass beta you are.
Keep talking. Open borders higher taxes no growth endless wars stalinist inquisitions.
2018 is going to be a wipe-out because nobody likes you. Nobody wants to be around people who are so clearly deranged and full of hate.
Things are objectively better for everyone right now except blue state millionaires. There just aren't enough blue state millionaires and illegal voters to put democrats in power.
Trump allowed me to keep more of my money. Millions of people like me get to keep more of our own money.
Which is a fucking pittance but if it means more to you than keeping your kids from paying off the debt to China that financed it then I can't help a suicidal fool. Maybe in your will you can tell your kids that they're paying off the debt that you got to enjoy.
All of the squealing has come from Millionaires in New Jersey, New York, and California whose taxes all went up because they can't deduct more than $10,000 in state taxes.
Places that drive the entire economy that you're grifting off of. Without them there'd be no budget of which to speak, let alone one big enough for a measly taxpayer like you to be sold out to China for.
Moron.
From Inga's link about the "criminal conspiracy" charge against Gates:
"None of the charges in Gates and Manafort’s indictments have anything to do with the 2016 campaign or collusion with Russia to help Trump, and neither of the offenses to which Gates has pled guilty do either."
Nice try.
President Pee-Pee Tape said...
That said, you would cheer wouldn't you?
Do you cheer on mass incarceration? Or declining/stagnating wages? Or a government that's bought and paid for?
No. That is why we replaced Obama with Trump.
Obama made all of those things happen.
They are all changing under Trump. We have wage growth for the first time in decades. Real wage growth.
Have fun with that.
2018 is going to be a wipe-out because nobody likes you.
Yep. A whole country full of interests but one schmuck with a Jesus Christ martyrdom complex who dreams of self-crucifixion at the hands of The Evil Government and pesters one other pseudonym on the internet is what the whole thing comes down to. I guess you never really matured mentally past nursery school, did you?
President Trump has done nothing but honor the Constitution.
Witness DACA. The Federal Court in a response to a suit by several states ruled that President Obama's original DACA executive order was unconstitutional and had to be vacated. President Trump extended it long enough for Congress to legislate it and make DACA a law and not an executive order. Congress refused to do so and the DACA is going to lapse and these illegal immigrants have a chance to be deported back to their shit hole countries. Constitutionally.
President Trump has used his Constitutional power to appoint Cabinet Members, sub cabinet members, ambassadors and other officials to his government. The Democratic minority has used the rules of the Senate that are not in the Constitution to block these appointments and to stop him from filling this jobs so the government can still be controlled by Obama appointments and the permanent Deep State bureaucracy. Another example of where the President is exercising his Constitutional powers and is being attacked by unconstitutional means to reverse the last election and keep the progressives in power.
Obama made all of those things happen.
They are all changing under Trump.
You are delusional. How much is your boy confederate beauregard sessions' DEA being paid to bust up your home-made methlab or whatever?
President Trump has done nothing but honor the Constitution.
By not understanding the purpose of an independent judiciary.
I am listening now to "When the Wolves bite" about the Herbalife battle between Ichan and Ackman.
Try Buchanan's "Nixon's White House Wars."
I have a few fiction audios like several of Cornwell's "Sharpe" series. The accents can make it hard to follow but those are pretty good.
I once had a patient who was a Herbalife dealer and she was very worried that she had gotten her ulcerative colitis from the product.
President Pee-Pee Tape said...
Which is a fucking pittance but if it means more to you than keeping your kids from paying off the debt to China that financed it then I can't help a suicidal fool. Maybe in your will you can tell your kids that they're paying off the debt that you got to enjoy.
Ah yes. Crumbs. Please use that in your campaigns.
"All of the squealing has come from Millionaires in New Jersey, New York, and California whose taxes all went up because they can't deduct more than $10,000 in state taxes."
Places that drive the entire economy that you're grifting off of. Without them there'd be no budget of which to speak, let alone one big enough for a measly taxpayer like you to be sold out to China for.
Moron.
Manufacturing jobs are coming back. We have had sustained growth in manufacturing for the first time in decades. Obama and his supporters thought only magic would do that.
Part of the reason the economy is flourishing now is because government is not crushing everyone except the blue state millionaires. Funny how they were the only ones doing well when Obama was in charge.
And all that tax the rich stuff is a lie. Noted. Ritmo thinks we should tax those poor idiots so the blue state millionaires can keep getting rich.
If you guys are going to engage the human scroll bar, I'm outta here.
The nursery is calling. Cactus are in bloom.
Lacking moderation the monkeys are shitting on the blog again I see.
I beg to differ, Etienne.
We have the very sober "Achilles" - a guy who names himself after a Greek demi-god but believes himself to be Jesus Christ in the moment just before crucifixion - the government is Pontius Pilate you see, or the Jews, or something - talking about how great it is that China will hold his kids' debt because it was better to have that than more responsible social spending. He's going to build a wealth empire for his kids with a couple hundred extra dollars per year, just you watch! (But only if the DEA he voted for stops busting up his insanely, wildly profitable steroid lab and cannabis grow operation empire. Funny thing about those right-wing control freaks - they tend to want to control what the little right-wingers like Achilles can do with his life, also).
It should be ILLEGAL to criticize federal justice officials or to besmirch their investigations!!
LOL, it's easy to see who the corrupt establishment is these days, isn't it? The people who reflexively defend Mueller's slow motion trainwreck.
“None of the charges in Gates and Manafort’s indictments have anything to do with the 2016 campaign or collusion with Russia to help Trump, and neither of the offenses to which Gates has pled guilty do either."
Nice try.”
Conspiracy to defraud the US.
If Trump is not guilty of any crimes why would Trump need to plead the Fifth when questioned by Mueller, as Rudy Giuliani suggested today on ABC’s This Week today?
“Stephanopoulos also asked whether Trump he was confident Trump wouldn’t plead the Fifth Amendment, which protects individuals from self-incrimination. “How can I ever be confident in that?” he said. “When I’m facing a situation with the president and all the other lawyers are, in which every lawyer in America thinks he would be a fool to testify.””
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“If you are not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for?" Trump said at a campaign rally in Florida in September.
"The mob takes the Fifth Amendment," Trump said at a campaign event in Iowa later that month. "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"
Manufacturing jobs are coming back. We have had sustained growth in manufacturing for the first time in decades. Obama and his supporters thought only magic would do that.
Part of the reason the economy is flourishing now is because government is not crushing everyone except the blue state millionaires.
The Dow is static and has been for nearly a year. Let's see if Trump's magic beans work as well as the ones your Republicans kept from planting for decades. If manufacturing here was so sustained and had such great long-term prospects, perhaps some rich Manhattanites (or whomever you hate) would be investing in it. But I guess not. Either way, you're still greatly increasing the debt burden on your kids. I hope those few extra dollars in your very shallow pockets make that worthwhile. It's ok, you'll explain it to them. You'll make them rich.
President Pee-Pee Tape said...
Obama made all of those things happen.
They are all changing under Trump.
You are delusional. How much is your boy confederate beauregard sessions' DEA being paid to bust up your home-made methlab or whatever?
My wife went from 32$ an hour to 45$ an hour last year.
It has been nice.
Not a single recreational store in Washington has been raided under Sessions. I still think Sessions is a waste of Oxygen.
It is nice that a piece of shit like you has no idea what our life is like and has to make up truly disgusting shit about other people.
Manufacturing jobs are coming back. We have had sustained growth in manufacturing for the first time in decades. Obama and his supporters thought only magic would do that.
Part of the reason the economy is flourishing now is because government is not crushing everyone except the blue state millionaires.
The Dow is static and has been for nearly a year. Let's see if Trump's magic beans work as well as the ones your Republicans kept from planting for decades. If manufacturing here was so sustained and had such great long-term prospects, perhaps some rich Manhattanites (or whomever you hate) would be investing in it. But I guess not. Either way, you're still greatly increasing the debt burden on your kids. I hope those few extra dollars in your very shallow pockets make that worthwhile. It's ok, you'll explain it to them. You'll make them rich.
Progressives here in 100% run by democrats prog town are taxing mom and pop out of business. Now only mega-corporations can afford to set up shop here.
Celebrate progressive diversity! High taxes are awesome! They bring hope and change and crush mom and pop.
My wife went from 32$ an hour to 45$ an hour last year.
It has been nice.
In Oregon?
Oh yeah, I'm sure it was Trump's doing and had nothing to do with the trickle up effects of minimum wage increases.
But sure, she works in manufacturing so that's what did it. Right.
It is nice that a piece of shit like you has no idea what our life is like and has to make up truly disgusting shit about other people.
And you don't care about anyone except for Trump's lackeys so allow me to return the favor and admire how truly shitty a game you play.
But it's ok. You love the hatred, the division, the discord, the martyrdom complex you share with President Phony Golden Hair.
"By not understanding the purpose of an independent judiciary."
He understands it. He honors it. He can certain protest the excess of a blatantly partisan and illegitimate judiciary.
Example the travel ban. President Trump in his Constitutional role as the person who determines immigration policy to protect the national security temporally banned immigrants from various unstable regimes who could not properly document or vet potential immigrants. An activist judge reversed it. He did not ignore this decision. In stead he modified to include other unstable regimes like North Korea and Venezuela to address the calumny that this was religion based. Still another activist progressive judge overturned this perfectly reasonable modification. President Trump did not ignore it as President Obama had done to several court judgements that went against him. He abided by it and appealed.
What Ritmo and the Progressive left is complaining about is President Trump speaking about and informing the public about the actions of these liberal partisan judges. They want to take away the Presidents constitutional guarantied freedom of speech to present his case and inform the people that the election is being overturned by the actions of an unelected judiciary staffed by ultra liberal partisans.
This partisan judiciary is not entitled to respect. You have to obey their partisan dictates until you appeal but you do not have to be silent in the face of their illegal and immoral actions.
My wife went from 32$ an hour to 45$ an hour last year.
It has been nice.
So I guess it was at the same job and one where no promotion was available?
$26,000 more a year, just like that? No other employment changes?
They all just decided to do that, for no reason. Ok.
President Pee-Pee Tape said...
The Dow is static and has been for nearly a year. Let's see if Trump's magic beans work as well as the ones your Republicans kept from planting for decades. If manufacturing here was so sustained and had such great long-term prospects, perhaps some rich Manhattanites (or whomever you hate) would be investing in it. But I guess not. Either way, you're still greatly increasing the debt burden on your kids. I hope those few extra dollars in your very shallow pockets make that worthwhile. It's ok, you'll explain it to them. You'll make them rich.
1. The Dow matters little to none. It is 30 cherry picked large caps.
2. Calling it static is just stupid. It is up massively since Trump took over.
3. The debt is going up because the uniparty is fighting Trump. If Trump set the budget and didn't have to deal with Paul Ryan and Chuck Schumer the debt would be far lower.
4. Any intelligent and honest person knows the only way to deal with the debt is a combination of spending reduction and economic growth.
But you are not here in good faith so there is no point discussing the debt with any democrat or uniparty republican.
This partisan judiciary -
And there's the tell. Langford wants a judiciary that swore an oath to Trump.. or else it's "partisan."
Can't make this stuff up. He actually thought that was a solid point to make.
Up 4k = "static" why do you guys engage with a clueless troll who can't even get the easiest to check facts right?
"The Dow is static and has been for nearly a year." -PPT
He or she suffers from weapons-grade confirmation bias, or, more likely is just trolling you guys.
I really wish people here would not feed the troll.
I sometimes accidentally read Ritmo's manic screeds and feel like I need to rinse out my brain.
3. The debt is going up because the uniparty is fighting Trump. If Trump set the budget and didn't have to deal with Paul Ryan and Chuck Schumer the debt would be far lower.
Well, isn't your "solution" obvious? Abrogate the constitution and either dissolve the legislative branch or make it controlled by your unitary executive Trump. There's your solution. It's what strongman-lovers have done to get their precious "effective" tyrannies started all over the globe since the bronze age.
Get to it.
4. Any intelligent and honest person knows the only way to deal with the debt is a combination of spending reduction and economic growth.
Trump won't do it. He's a great lover of all the social spending he does on military contractors and so are you. Apparently not being an imperialistic neo-con demands nothing less. Throw them all the money they want.
“It is nice that a piece of shit like you has no idea what our life is like and has to make up truly disgusting shit about other people.”
Says the guy who calls any liberal a Stalinist and a baaaaaad person and makes threats about what will happen to them if he had his way. Extremism is a scourge on humanity and with the advent of Trump, they’ve been emboldened.
Laurence Tribe: I know both @AlanDersh and Richard Painter. Alan was totally out of line in attacking @RWPUSA on MSNBC as “unAmerican.” His denunciation of Mueller shocked me. Sorry to have to say it, but this unhinged assault on Painter leaves me aghast.
https://www.rawstory.com/?p=1270822 via rawstory
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/992933036197990406
No I do not want a judiciary that swears an oath to Trump. I want that follows the law. That does not say that another President can do something but just Trump can not. That is the position of some of the judges that these case are brought before. The activist left judge shops until they find an ultra liberal judge in Hawaii or California to overturn a Presidential action. Then it is in the courts for months and months as terrorists and criminals pour into the United States. Or transsexuals serve in the Military. Or other perfectly reasonable rulings made by any other President are reversed by an ultra liberal partisan judge to reverse the last election.
If the judge is fair and non partisan then the President wins. On the law. Witness the judge who is going to throw out the bogus case of the Special Counsel against Manafort. He is being attacked by the left as old and senile and as a Reagan partisan. It seems that Ritmo and his ilk have no problem attack a judge who does not rule as a progressive. So much for the respect of the judiciary. It is nonsense as is most of what Ritmo spouts.
Fens law in action.
It has been fun embarrassing you for a bit Ritmo. But my work here is done. Anyone reading this comment thread is going to look at the options.
They can see that your side is full of hatred as evidenced by your deranged ad hom attacks. It wants a bureaucracy that can whitewash Hillary Clinton and investigate Trump until it removes him.
After you remove Trump you all promise:
1. Higher taxes on the working class and lower taxes on blue state millionaires.
2. Open borders.
3. Endless investigations of democrat/uniparty political opponents.
4. Repeal of the second amendment.
5. Censorship of hate speech(republicans) on the internet by aforementioned blue state millionaires.
Please run on that platform. Loud and proud.
If you do not think that leftist partisan judges trying to reverse the election by stopping reasonable presidential actions based on their partisan bias is a solid point than the only point we can have here is the one on your pointy little head.
“However I see a different one. One that dates back to the beginning of our Republic. Where Patriots went to their mantle and took down their muskets and powder horns and assembled to defend their inalienable rights. The difference is that as Achilles states the Red Coats are actually the sons and daughters of these Patriots not the elite aristocracy. When the time comes they will not be marching to Lexington and Concord. Instead they will stand with the grandfathers, fathers and mothers as they stand for their inalienable constitutional rights The flashpoint for this will be the Second Amendment. The left is coming for their guns. It will not stand. As the God Emperor has so aptly said: "Come and take them."”
I go back and forth there. Sometimes, I can’t believe that the left is stupid enough to try it. Other times, I am not so sure. Boulder, CO just apparently just tried to ban AR-15 MSRs, as well as standard capacity (and, for AR-15s, low capacity) magazines. Ignoring, of course, that the state, years ago, enacted a preemption law that overrides any such attempt (outside Denver) of local level gun grabbing. Pure virtue signaling, of course, since it has no chance of being enforced legally or effectively.
I think in their dark blue enclaves, they don’t routinely deal with a lot of people who consider gun ownership a fundamental right, and necessity. This time of the year, we live in a part of the country where gun ownship is pervasive. Probably at least 2x the national rate of better than 1:1 gun ownship - except you could never prove it, because most wouldn’t consider telling authorities, or pollsters, the real story. Not as bad, of course, as N ID, right across the border, where burying firearms and ammunition is seemingly becoming commonplace. And one big reason that everyone is armed, is that we have all the biggest land mammals in the country, including all the apex mammal predators here. (Of course, we are most vulnerable to death from the lowly pre-venisons that menace us on our highways).
Those rabid left wing gun grabbers seem oblivious that it would take far more than merely passing laws, to disarm the country. Almost all the gums are on the other side, as well as the expertise to use them. And thanks to federalism, the numbers are even worse, since State and local police (as well as National Guard) are controlled by politically elected officials, elected by people jeleous of their gun rights. Which leaves < 200k armed federal agents, and not that many more military combat troops. And, of course, a large percentage of the enlisted ranks, and esp of those with combat experience, come from the portions of the country with the largest percentages of gun ownership. An order to seize guns from law abiding Americans to them would more likely get the officer issuing it shot, than obeyed. So, no, a law disarming Red America won’t self execute. And they don’t have nearly enough guns nor people who know how to use them, on their side, to enforce such laws. Nor economic power (we export meat, grain, and power from this county - what do cities like NYC, Chicago, or LA export to us that we would need more, and more urgently, than they would need our food and electricity to survive?)
S&P and the Dow (after a tremendous Jan runup) peaked Jan 26 2018. Current S&P and Dow are where they were around mid-December 2017.
All major foreign indices did the same, or within a couple of days before or after. Dax, FTSE, Nikkei, Hang Seng.
Inga’s Post at 2:02 demonstrates a laughable ignorance of the criminal law. It is “fraud” “to impair or obstruct the lawful function of any part of the government”? Wow! Really? So if I prevent a letter carrier from delivering the mail, I have defrauded the government? If I and others plan to block entry to a federal courthouse and buy protest signs, we have conspired to defraud the government?
Who knew?
Dershowitz is correct. Mueller and his button men have violated the Code of Ethics applicable to prosecutors in so many ways, not the least of which is proceeding with the narrowly authorized investigation, the Russia bullshit, after watching their probable cause evaporate.
The course Mueller is pursuing is a dangerous one consistent with his spotty reputation, but more ambitious and scurrilous.
Ritmo’s sock puppetry is of no consequence. Never has been.
Inga said...
Says the guy who calls any liberal a Stalinist and a baaaaaad person and makes threats about what will happen to them if he had his way. Extremism is a scourge on humanity and with the advent of Trump, they’ve been emboldened.
I call you Stalinists because Lavrentiy Beria could not improve on the shit you post here daily. You have been almost literal in your impersonations of him.
You still can not name a crime that Trump committed or was ever being investigated for.
You are a terrible person.
I suspect a great deal of the uncertainty in markets, post Dec 2017, is about apprehension over US political instability, namely the "deep state" war, the threats to Trump, and the November election.
The markets, worldwide, would like some reassurances about US politics. The US is by far the largest global risk factor.
Look it up, maybe you’re getting rusty.
“Inga’s Post at 2:02 demonstrates a laughable ignorance of the criminal law. It is “fraud” “to impair or obstruct the lawful function of any part of the government”? Wow! Really? So if I prevent a letter carrier from delivering the mail, I have defrauded the government? If I and others plan to block entry to a federal courthouse and buy protest signs, we have conspired to defraud the government?”
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“So what separates “conspiracy against the United States” from conspiracy to commit X, Y, or Z criminal offense? Here’s what the statutory definition says:
If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
There are two parts to the definition. One is “defrauding the United States,” which, Griffin explains, doesn’t require an underlying crime. It just requires showing the defendants conspired to “impair or obstruct the lawful function of any part of the government.”
The second part of the “conspiracy against the United States” definition concerns “commit[ing] any offense against the United States.” Unlike the defrauding clause, charges relating to this part of the statute require an underlying criminal offense against the United States.“”
Using the FOREIGN intelligence apparatus of the United States in a criminal case is a CLEAR violation of the 4th Amendment.
“You are a terrible person.”
No, I’m actually a very good person. What is terrible is fools like you who are taken over by conspiracy theorists and extremists. Think about your wife and children and the consequences of your actions, should you finally truly lose your shit and make yourself famous.
Bruce - take heart - a pro-gun rally happened a few weeks ago and probably stunned most of the bubble-dwellers who live here. Females and their children came out too. It was great. Now not as large of a group as the gun-grabbers, but still good.
Boulder City Counsel are a pack of economic morons, Statists, all with the emotional maturity of David Hogg. Reactionary and married to the radical lefty cause. Like most dark blue, they focus on global climate change, gun grabbing, and whatever national crisis they can capitalize on for their feelz, all while they sit back and whine that our sky-high taxes are not high enough. Our sales tax is almost 10% and property taxes are through the roof. Still, they claim to face the scary "budget crisis". Tax payers to the rescue. Oh and you middle class dorks - get out. If you cannot afford a Tesla, Boulder is not for you.
Leftists think highly of themselves but they would be happy to see Brennen take away your civil liberties and your access to free speech.
Royal ass Inga,
I say this out of kindness and because I care about you looking so damned foolish, but the prosecutor's stretch of a theory on conspiracy to defraud the U.S. government has NEVER been used to gain a single conviction before Mueller reinterpreted the statute in question.
If challenged, the expansive Mueller theory, I confidently predict, will be rejected by the courts.
Prepare yourself for that eventuality. It is inevitable.
Trump and Russia colluded to steal the election from its rightful owner, Hillary Private Server Clinton, is the biggest conspiracy theory of all.
Bruce Hayden said:
"So, no, a law disarming Red America won’t self execute. And they don’t have nearly enough guns nor people who know how to use them, on their side, to enforce such laws. Nor economic power (we export meat, grain, and power from this county - what do cities like NYC, Chicago, or LA export to us that we would need more, and more urgently, than they would need our food and electricity to survive?)"
I once explained this to a liberal, school teacher friend. He was sure they'd never cut off his food, water, electricity, natural gas and gasoline. I asked him if he knew anything about Leningrad. He did not.
Inga cuts and pastes various definitions of crimes, but never makes any connection to anything related to Trump. There's a good reason for that: There is no connection. After a year and millions of dollars spent, they've managed to dredge up some possible crimes unconnected with Trump and the campaign. That connection was the only reason for the investigation in the first place.
“Inga cuts and pastes various definitions of crimes, but never makes any connection to anything related to Trump. There's a good reason for that: There is no connection.”
And just HOW do you know this?
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“A legally important question is what the Trump campaign did after the Russians previewed that they could help disseminate the stolen emails. If Trump campaign officials consulted with the Russians on their plans to disseminate the emails, it could involve direct violations of campaign finance laws (see the statement below from leading election law expert Paul Seamus Ryan). If Trump campaign officials gave tacit assent or approval or support, it could directly implicate them in the “conspiracy to defraud the United States” by evading the Federal Election Commission—the very conspiracy for which Mueller has already indicted thirteen Russian nationals (see the statement below by former White House official and also top election law expert Bob Bauer). If Papadopoulos intentionally encouraged the Russians and if he was instructed to do so by other campaign officials, they could be liable as accomplices (see statements below from law professors and former federal prosecutors Barbara McQuade and Alex Whiting). The Trump campaign as an organization could also be criminally liable (see statement below from McQuade). Finally, if members of the Trump campaign tried to conceal the facts of a crime (potentially including either the original DNC hack or the dissemination of the stolen emails) they could be guilty of “misprision of a felony” (see statements below by former federal prosecutors including Renato Mariotti).“
https://www.justsecurity.org/53241/russians-previewed-plan-disseminate-emails-trump-campaign/
“Goodman and the experts he spoke with identified four types of actions that could create criminal liability for the Trump team stemming from this new information:[1.] If the campaign consulted with the Russians on their plans to disseminate the emails; [2.]if the Trump campaign gave tacit assent or approval or support; [3.] if Trump officials intentionally encouraged the Russians; [4.]or if they sought to conceal the facts of a crime. Just looking at the publicly available information shows the outlines of a potential legal case against members of the Trump team along these very lines.
As campaign finance law expert Paul S. Ryan points out, campaigns cannot coordinate with foreign nationals on any expenditure that seeks to influence a U.S. election. Coordination includes cooperation, consultation, or acting in concert with, or at the request or suggestion of the candidate or his team. A key word is “or”—each of those actions could independently suffice to establish a violation.”
https://www.justsecurity.org/53641/muellers-choice-criminal-charges-trump-team-worried/
“The emails to set up the now infamous June 9, 2016, Trump Tower meeting contain a particularly incriminating piece of evidence on this score. While significant focus has been given to Donald Trump Jr.’s enthusiastic response to the offer of damaging information on Clinton as “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” equal attention should be paid to the rest of his response, in which he says that such information would be helpful “especially later in the summer.” In this statement, Trump Jr. was not only communicating a willingness to collude with Russia; he was also telling them when the campaign thought the release of such information would be most politically useful. What’s more, as Bob Bauer has noted, when Trump Jr. told the Russian lawyer the information that she presented on Clinton-related donors was not valuable, he “aided the Russians by providing access to its judgments about attacks that would be ineffective.” That too was a form of consultation and assistance.”
Happy reading, hope it’s edifying.
if the Trump campaign gave tacit assent or approval or support;
LOL. Or made a joke about it.
That too!
Imagine if some republican e-mails were leaked - big fat nothing.
Imagine if a republican set up a private server - BIG FAT SOMETHING.
A fake dossier paid for by a D-political campaign is a big fat nothing.
Opposition research into Hillary is illegal. Making a movie that paints Hillary in a bad light - is illegal. Citizens United was all about HER. She can delete 33,000+ subpoenaed e-mails, but don't you dare find anything negative about her and make it public.
Royal ass Inga,
I am trying to help. Those novel (i.e. new) legal theories will never be sustained.
The interpretations you are parroting are impossibly, unconstitutionally broad. Those interpretations would make the statutes void for vagueness. They would violate, seemingly, every relevant constitutional amendment.
I know you won't see it because you want to believe. But the cuts and pastes are like so many 2am bull sessions by college sophomores. Their wretched in their ignorance.
Normally I make fun of you. But you are making me sad with your profound ignorance.
If you talk to a Russian, you are suspect. Unless you are a Clinton pocketing millions from secret uranium deals and making hundred thousand dollar speeches for family Foundation cash.
They're wretched...
4. if Trump officials intentionally encouraged the Russians
LOLLOLOLOLOL! It's illegal to encourage the Russians.
Inga is forced to cut and paste because she knows that she is taking all of her positions on faith, and doesn't trust herself to put arguments she doesn't understand into her own words. She is so intellectually limited that she believes that we all do the same thing. #SAD
Birkel - really point and laugh at the ignorance. It's desperation. But do remember, Governor Walker is going to be indicted for... something... any day now. Forget that the "something" is all fabricated mid-night raid fraud created out of whole cloth by corrupt Party Democrats.
“The interpretations you are parroting are impossibly, unconstitutionally broad. Those interpretations would make the statutes void for vagueness. They would violate, seemingly, every relevant constitutional amendment.”
Birkel, sweetie. I appreciate your concern, but I don’t have confidence in your ability to read or understand the Constitution more clearly than those people to whose opinions I linked to.
Pointing out flaws in the logic she cuts and pastes is pointless as well, she takes it all on faith based on whether she trusts the person who wrote it, and she only trusts people who agree with her knee jerk hatred of Trump.
Wonder where his screenwriters are? Have we descended into farce too early? T will win big in 2018 and 2020. he'll continue to kill both parties. They'll take their establishments with them, something any good business manager knows how to do to failing and flailing departments. Recycle the good, cut the bad. He'll then create the equivalent of a city-manager, a “country-manager” job, hire someone, who’ll contract out what we are not expert in, and close the doors behind him and family, "have a good day." “Let’s all find a job or return to our job (which all congress folk have since they only have a job for a year and may not be rehired) and get back to work.”
Inga said...”As campaign finance law expert Paul S. Ryan points out, campaigns cannot coordinate with foreign nationals on any expenditure that seeks to influence a U.S. election.”
So, you accept the fact that the Clinton campaign funded the Steele dossier, right?
“..... she believes that we all do the same thing.”
You folks certainly do. Your arguments are almost verbatim from righty rags like Conservative Tree House, Powerline, Breitbart, etc. you may as well be cutting and pasting, it would be more honest. I enjoy reading these conservative rags and then coming here and seeing their arguments voiced in an identical way, lol.
Royal ass Inga,
The opinions you link suffer motivated reasoning. The authors want to use law as a weapon against only this one, particular defendant. And that is not the way the rule of law operates.
Your disappointment is inevitable.
Inga at 3:46 PM
If Trump campaign officials consulted with the Russians on their plans to disseminate the emails ...
If Trump campaign officials gave tacit assent or approval or support ...
If Papadopoulos intentionally encouraged the Russians and if he was instructed to do so by other campaign officials ...
If members of the Trump campaign tried to conceal the facts of a crime ...
What if none of that happened?
Inga at 3:51 PM
... equal attention should be paid to the rest of his [Donald Trump, Jr] response, in which he says that such information would be helpful “especially later in the summer.” .... he was also telling them when the campaign thought the release of such information would be most politically useful. ....
Such opinions are expressed all the time by millions of ordinary people during a Presidential election.
Such trivial circumstantial evidence will not convict anybody. It will convince only Trump-haters who are grasping at straws.
Robert "The FBI Whitewasher" Mueller needs serious evidence of serious collusion.
Trump won the Presidential election. More than 60 million people voted for him. He won't be removed from Presidency because his son remarked to some Russians that such information would be helpful "especially later in the summer".
US entities expressing environmentalist concerns, largely funded by foreigners, including both the Russians and various Arab states, participated in numerous US elections over the last decade. I don't remember the DOJ investigating any of them.
I mean, this stuff has been constant, ubiquitous. Every Democrat in Washington, and some Republicans too, should be investigated.
If that were the standard consistently followed there would be no-one in Washington. Nor in many State capitols, certainly including nearly everyone in Sacramento.
I don't know about this "Robert 'the Whitewasher' Mueller" stuff.
It seems to me that regarding Trump, Russia, etc., and so forth, the only new thing we know of is Stormy Daniels, and that is media sensational, but irrelevant, and anyway did not come from Mueller.
On the other hand, about Hillary, the DNC, and the FBI hierarchy's "high crimes and misdemeanors" there has been a steady stream of news and commentary, and indeed a lot of it has been turned up directly as a result of the Special Counsel's activities.
If "whitewashing" is his mission, I would say he is an epic fail.
"Bruce - take heart - a pro-gun rally happened a few weeks ago and probably stunned most of the bubble-dwellers who live here. Females and their children came out too. It was great. Now not as large of a group as the gun-grabbers, but still good."
Will be there, in the PRB (People's Republic of Boulder), this coming week. My kid is getting "hooded", which, I understand, is a fancy way of saying that they are graduating. Or, kinda graduating. They are defending their dissertation in the morning, and getting "hooded" in the afternoon, but then will spend the next couple months rewriting it. Don't quite get how they can graduate, but not be done. In any case, they are out of there by mid summer, after 5 years of grad school there. And finally getting a real job (TA and RA in grad school don't count). It will be interesting to see how long it takes them to shed their Boulder politics.
Won't it be fun if Judge Ellis dismisses all charges against Manafort with prejudice?
Birkel, your opinions suffer motivated reasoning.
"Opposition research into Hillary is illegal. Making a movie that paints Hillary in a bad light - is illegal. Citizens United was all about HER. She can delete 33,000+ subpoenaed e-mails, but don't you dare find anything negative about her and make it public."
Be fair. Citizens United was a loss, at the Supreme Court, for the statists, those trying to prevent criticism of Crooked Hillary.
Do any of you tach-savy folks who regularly comment here (and may be a doc) know what that thingy is called on the far right of the computer screen, when I'm in an application?
If I could name that, then I'd do so and that would help to let folks know that I'm a: "computer guy who reads books, but not just computer books, and, btw, I right books, though not computer books, only the write books."
Need help!
Excuse me, Inga, but are you all upset that the Trump campaign was attempting to perform opposition research? Is that what your comments between 3:36 and 3:51 are all about? You hopefully are aware that "oppo" research has been a standard part of campaigning since at least the 1940s, if not earlier, are you not? In fact certainly earlier, since the story about Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings was certainly oppo research, not to mention that there is a finite, non-zero chance that the story was real while the story about Russian collusion is certainly false.
BTW,
it's not a sign that yur a geezer tech-loser if ya rely on the scroll bar....I'm sure that's what them fancy compute folks do when they scroll.
Carry on.
Bruce Hayden, 5:09 PM:
Congratulations to your kid!
"Don't quite get how they can graduate, but not be done."
I've got a student in the same boat. For us it's the difference between, "Are you sure this means what you say it does? - Prove it to us" and, "These tables are formatted incorrectly; this figure has a mistake; these citations are incorrect." The substance is complete and defended, some details need fixing but the outcome is no longer in question.
BTW,
most compute folks are dudes.
That G dude w/ the giant nose said so.
Unrelatedly, there's a bunch of dudes that are involuntarily celibate, but others that need ta come up w/ angles to re turning down P.
Good times.
”As campaign finance law expert Paul S. Ryan points out, campaigns cannot coordinate with foreign nationals on any expenditure that seeks to influence a U.S. election.”
Inga - The Clinton campaign hired FusionGPS, who hired Christopher Steele (a foreign national), who (according to you) paid Russians (enemy foreign nationals) for (what was your word; kompromat?) in order to influence our election.
How does that not fall under campaign finance law expert Paul S. Ryan’s strictures?
OM,
So, Steele gave money to Russians.
And, in your mind, that is the same as the Russians giving money to support DJT.
Logic is tricky!
OM,
I heard that some of the HRC dough ended up paying for merch that was made in China.
Lock her up!
”Logic is tricky!”
Nonetheless, you shouldn’t be afraid to try it.
BTW OM,
Do we know about the HRC dough because the transactions were done w/ reported campaign dough?
Sorta the way that the Stormy payment and Russians paying to help DJT didn't happen.
Logic is tricky.
Lock her up.
both the Russians and various Arab states, participated in numerous US elections over the last decade.
The pipeline demonstrations and sabotage in the Dakotas were funded by Russia and The Saudis.
Michael K: "The pipeline demonstrations and sabotage in the Dakotas were funded by Russia and The Saudis"
Michael Moore himself headlined a Putin-funded post-election rally attended by wild-eyed leftists.
Which, of course, makes them all both tools, allies and colluders with Putin and Russia.
NUmber of lefties outraged by this Putin funded interference as well as anti-fracking rallies: zero.
At least its not a negative number.
Also OM,
Did you notice how DJT recently tweeted that Comey was a liar to congress. That was cause Comey misstated that HRC sent emails that were classified when sent.* (the video clip of this error is often mashed up w/ HRC saying that she didn't send such, the implication is that HRC was the liar, but nope it was Comey who was wrong.)
Logic is tricky. Lock her up!
*In reality she sent none. She did receive four, but the State Department later said that only one of those was correctly classified (and even that one was the lowest level (of three levels) of classification).
Blogger Francisco D said...
I really wish people here would not feed the troll.
These long threads are usually Inga/Ritmo threads with almost nothing of value.
Now, shiloh weighs in with more nonsense.
It's too hot for the nursery so it may be the pool.
I don't see much reason to stay around here.
Inga?
We have no idea how many emails she sent or received of what classification. Because she destroyed huge chunks if evidence. Anyone else doing that goes to jail.
Matt,
She's no fool. [Well, maybe she is, but there's still some stuff that she knows.]
She knows that you never use email to illicitly transfer classified info (even if you intend to later delete it, that's a stupid way ta be sneaky). You shove the stuff in your pants [suit].
Duh!
Does this "how dare you question the FBI/DOJ/career professionals" shit work on anyone anymore?
I mean, we've all seen the texts between the supposedly non-partisan/disinterested senior FBI agents.
We've seen people like Yates act, proudly, in over-the-top partisan manners.
We've heard Comey and Clapper (and others) ADMIT to leaking sensitive/confidential information specifically for the purposes of manipulating the political and legal process.
Why would ANYONE still pretend like any of these people should be given any shred of the benefit of the doubt?! Is this just gaslighting--pretending like all this plain evidence isn't out there and doesn't mean anything just because MSNBC chooses not to cover it? It doesn't make any sense.
Royal ass Inga,
I'm sorry you cannot appreciate not only that I am correct on these matters but precisely why I am correct about these matters. Everybody is well aware of your inability to think clearly in matters that are politically relevant.
Perhaps you can agree with this:
The strained reasoning required to support Mueller's position in these matters is a reflection of the inability of Mueller to find anything on Trump since his investigation began. Further, the Title I search warrants which allowed the FBI/DOJ to bypass (unconstitutionally) normal Fourth Amendment protections have not shown any actionable criminal activity. If a plain case could be made that Trump has committed criminal acts, it would have been made.
The fact, and it is beyond dispute, is that no plain case has yet been announced against Trump.
The more contrivances that are required, the more obvious it becomes that this is not a law enforcement action. Again, you can argue that some convoluted theory might be true in some set of very particular circumstances, but the fact that you must make such a claim illustrates - calls into stark relief - how profoundly unjust this farce-of-an-investigation is.
Try harder to understand.
It makes perfect sense when you realize that the only goal of progressives and the media is too reverse the election results. President Donald Trump is a bitter foe of the Deep State and the Duopoly that controls both establishments of both parties. He simply doesn't need the money. So will not have to get rich from speeches or books that are paid off in millions of dollars that politicians like the Clinton's and Obama get the gelt that they never earned in real life. He is already a billionaire and they can't touch him. So they can't control him.
That is why he must be destroyed.
HoodD,
Yur comment includes your opinions re what is politically over-the-top, and you make claims that, in fact, are the exact OPOSITE of what was ADMITTED.
Are you trying to be ironic?
Are you familiar w/ the term: projection?
Yates was backed up by the third branch.
The other two stated that they were whistle blowers who did NOT break any laws re disclosure.
Facts.
And re the agents, between jabber re boning, joking about a secret society of gov overlords:
Sheesh.
So,
We'll lock up HRC, and Yates, and Comey, and Clapper, and the two boning FBI folks, and anyone that DJT calls "Deep State."
At that point, will you (and Alan) civil libertarians be satisfied?
"Blogger Francisco D said...
I really wish people here would not feed the troll."
These long threads are usually Inga/Ritmo threads with almost nothing of value.
If only people could just be made to automatically agree with Michael K. Life would be so great then.
Why can't everyone be made to become conservative robots that go along with His Majesty Michael K's presumed authority? How sad for Michael K.
Shortening discussion is of the essence. Too many people who just don't agree with His Majesty. Pity.
Russian company hires lawyers to defend it in court.
Mueller wrote up joke indictments of Russians who bought a few facebook adds. The joke indictments were meant to keep stringing idiots like TTR and Inga along.
And look the idiots think they are going to get Trump with hush money to a porn star for a 10 year old affair.
Now the Russians are defending themselves in court.
Mueller tried to push the arraignment back. The Judge said no.
Mueller tried to assert they weren't sure if the defendants had been properly served. With the lawyers for the defendants standing in the courtroom.
Now Mueller is either turns over his "evidence" or he pulls the indictments.
Arraignment is on Wednesday.
Mueller turns over evidence in discovery or he pulls the indictments.
How embarrassing.
The leftists supporting this farce are stupid and mendacious.
You are a joke. The American people are turning on the Mueller inquisition. Watch the democrats start running from this dumpster fire.
“The strained reasoning required to support Mueller's position in these matters is a reflection of the inability of Mueller to find anything on Trump since his investigation began.”
And you know this, how? Answer, you don’t. You’re unaware of yourself straining reason to argue your rendition of Powerline’s argument, lol.
Even better than Mueller's humiliation are the leftists in the comments:
"Tim McKinney
Long term Russian sleeper cells coming out to vote in the last election.
That's what really happened."
"Douglas Jensberg · Works at Retired
"Uhlman cautioned that a full-blown trial in the case might not be a boon to the Kremlin or President."
But it could identify sources and assets for the Kremlin to eliminate."
Why can't everyone be made to become conservative robots that go along with His Majesty Michael K's presumed authority? How sad for Michael K.
Shortening discussion is of the essence. Too many people who just don't agree with His Majesty. Pity.
Inga, I come back from time to time to see if you have smartened up. Sad.
I can get better discussion at the nursery. Even at the supermarket.
You just aren't aware of how dull you are. Do you think others want to read your and Ritmo's drivel ?
I'm not about to argue with you.
Oh shit. Achilles seems to know the future.
"They worry that Democratic leaders are falling into the same trap as Hillary Clinton in 2016, when her relentless attacks on Trump eclipsed her own plans for the country."
Problem is a platform of Open Borders, Higher taxes on the Working Class, and Repealing the Second Amendment just isn't all that popular.
Dumpster.
Fire.
Sun shining, plenty of people flying kites at the beach today. Little kids running around having fun.
No earthquakes splitting SF BAy Area. No tsunami today.
Life is good.
Michael K,
I’m never surprised to find that you aren’t as smart as your liberal children. Hopefully they got their brains from their mother. Hopefully they won’t suffer senile dementia like their pop.
“You just aren't aware of how dull you are. Do you think others want to read your and Ritmo's drivel ?”
And I don’t want to hear your senile blabber.
“I'm not about to argue with you.”
So why do you come here and continually address me?
"And you know this, how? Answer, you don’t. You’re unaware of yourself straining reason to argue your rendition of Powerline’s argument, lol."
We know this by the failure to get any serious indictments against any serious players in the administration on matters relating to the matter at hand. Collusion. These phony indictments against Russians for posting on the Internet are about to be thrown out. The bogus indictment against Manafort for a matter already adjudicated and deemed not worthy of prosecutions many years before the campaign are about to be thrown out. Mueller is reduced to violating lawyer client privilege to obtain salacious information to embarrass the President. This is all he has left. The claims of a porn star and her ambulance chasing lawyer.
Mueller will precipitate a Constitutional crisis by trying to subpoena the President to go before a Grand Jury to try to trap him into contradictions that can be spun into perjury. The President will rightly refuse. That is where we will be in a few weeks.
Right after President Trump ends the Korean war and gets the nuclear warheads out of North Korea
And Michael K, really, it’s no wonder you got banned from Patterico’s blog. Seems to me that he didn’t want to hear your drivel there.
BTW,
I'm assuming that Alan's shot was from his home (the video said it was a Skype thing-y). Are those pictures in the background valuable? I don't recognize any of it. Not that I'm anything remotely close to an expert re such.
Anywho, the shot looks, at least sorta, purposefully staged. And, the dude is said to have a net of twenty five million. I wonder if the image is meant to express his wealth, or is it supposed to obscure it?
Anyanywho, too bad WI lawprofs don't make that sorta dough. If they did, there'd be less begging here.
“We know this by the failure to get any serious indictments against any serious players in the administration on matters relating to the matter at hand. Collusion. These phony indictments against Russians for posting on the Internet are about to be thrown out.”
LOL. And just how do you know this? Mueller’s investigation is ongoing.
Patterico like most liberals cannot countenance informed disagreement so they have to ban contrary views. He is a Never Trumper who lost his main gig as a commentor at Red State because of his rabid foaming at the mouth hatred of our President.
Now he has a nice little echo chamber that only allows people who agree with him to comment. The liberal mind in action.
"“I'm not about to argue with you.”
So why do you come here and continually address me?"
Ha ha.
I thought about pointing out the self-defeat of this statement from the Doc. But, I worried he'd eventually wise up and stop being so funny w/ his repeated failing/flailing in these threads.
OTOH, I'm sure that you're right. We don't need to worry about that. No matter how often his lameness is IDed, he'll never catch on. He's the gift that keep on giving.
He's the best!
And I don’t want to hear your senile blabber.
A very petulant comeback addressed to an accomplished man who has distinguished himself in several fields of endeavor from a comparative underachiever.
Can't say its uncharacteristic, can we?
Is it too early to start taking bets re when Doc Mike will make his bedtime announcement du jour?
If not, I'm going w/ 8:46 MadTown Time.
"LOL. And just how do you know this? Mueller’s investigation is ongoing."
It is not ongoing. It is never ending. He has more than enough time to put out an indictment about the matter at hand that will stand up in court. Just one. Not a process crime of a bogus perjury trap charge. Not dusting off cases already abandoned a decade ago. The matter at hand. One indictment regarding collusion. One.
We will see what happens next week when he refuses to provide discovery. He thought that the Russians he indicted in a political farce would just not appear. But they are in court to prove what a bogus investigation this really is and to show him the incompetent partisan that prosecuted innocent people as he did in the anthrax case.
Mueller is a partisan abomination and most of America is beginning to realize it. Only the rabid partisans, willfully ignorant and the senile have failed to grasp this simple fact.
K. is so senile that he thought he was addressing Inga when quoting my comment.
What a dumbass.
Did you need a refill of that Aricept prescription, K.?
K. got banned from a blog? Patterico?
I can see that happening. He really does demand that everyone agree with him. It's quite tedious.
It's so funny that he gives his last initial, as if that means a damn thing.
Should we call him, Mr. K.?
Maybe, a la Eddie Murphy - Special K.?
Yeah, that's a good one. Special K.
“Ha ha.
I thought about pointing out the self-defeat of this statement from the Doc. But, I worried he'd eventually wise up and stop being so funny w/ his repeated failing/flailing in these threads.
OTOH, I'm sure that you're right. We don't need to worry about that. No matter how often his lameness is IDed, he'll never catch on. He's the gift that keep on giving.””
I actually hate being mean to him, but honestly he just doesn’t seem to lean that if you insult someone, you just beg to be insulted back, twice as hard.
Many people were banned from that blog.
His blog consists of him stating some Never Trump quasi fact and telling his commenters to post comments detailing why he is an idiot so he can ban them.
He is smart enough to know that his audience has grown to hate him but unable to stop himself from poking them. He persists in his folly.
It is the ESPN syndrome.
“K. got banned from a blog? Patterico?”
Yes, it seems so. I read some of the stuff Michael K posted there. Seems the owner of the blog didn’t care for his many conspiracy theories and personal insults and now just deletes him. Patterico’s conservative.
Patterico like most liberals cannot countenance informed disagreement so they have to ban contrary views.
That's hardly what Michael Special K. does, though. If his behavior there was anything like his behavior here, he would probably copy an extended quote, emphasize the fact that it came from something he read, and then fail the basic test of how it has any relevance to the issue discussed or what its logical conclusions are.
I really think the guy is going senile. I could expect him to quote Watson and Crick in a discussion about say, quail hunting, and then imagine him storming off while stomping his feet saying that he's going to read a book and how dare anyone question the fact that he just provided the end-all/be-all statement on anything having to do with the discussion.
His arrogance and ego really do overrule any reason he could have had or logic. That's Special K. for you.
Michael K said ... "Inga, I come back from time to time to see if you have smartened up. Sad."
Intelligence is a very stable trait, based on overwhelming research literature and 30 years experience.
In other words, you can't fix stupid.
If you combine that with fanaticism, you get Inga.
Ritmo is another story, as you well know.
Good Lord, Inga, how can you not see that your comment at 7:31 applies perfectly to you and hardly at all to Michael K?
“Now he has a nice little echo chamber that only allows people who agree with him to comment.”
Exactly what Michael K told me just last week that he wishes for this blog.
There is a film of one of the defendants in the Hitler assassination trial. The judge very solemnly asks the defendant his motive for attempting the assassination. The defendant, in a calm voice, says that he believes that the German state under Hitler is guilty of murder. The judge hesitates and then, in a slow, loud, theatrical voice, asks how the defendant DARE to accuse the German state of MURDER!
Painter sounds like that judge.
"I actually hate being mean to him, but honestly he just doesn’t seem to lean that if you insult someone, you just beg to be insulted back, twice as hard."
Honestly, I worry about him too.
OTOH, we have years of evidence that indicates his mind is severely limited re self-awareness re self-defeat.
Ignorance is bliss.
Patterico is a phony conservative. He is a Never Trumper and an establishment Republican neocon like Bill Kristol, French, Goldberg and the rest of the conservative establishment that are not interest in conservative results but in being invited to Washington parties and selling books and tickets for cruises.
Of course like Jennifer Rubin, Ross Douchebag and Kevin Williamson he is the "conservative" that progressive fanatics like Inga like to quote because they hate the God Emperor.
He has been discredited and has gone off the rails much the way the proprietor of Little Green Footballs. Sad really.
“Good Lord, Inga, how can you not see that your comment at 7:31 applies perfectly to you and hardly at all to Michael K?”
My dear Big Mike. I did not address or insult Michael K. I responded to him. If you think for one second that I’m going to ignore his insults every single time, you’re sadly mistaken.
An observant person once said: "Liberals always want conservatives to shut up. Conservatives want liberals to keep talking."
That is probably why Dr. K was banned by Patterico.
So he's a conservative Trump critic. I notice that there are a number of those. Don't see why it should cause such a stir if it weren't for the authoritarian revolt against the conservatives. The conservatives at least value decency, social propriety (sometimes to a stifling extent, but still), and ideological consistency. The authoritarians just want a tin pot strongman, and Trump is their guy. They will tolerate no dissent.
On one hand, I don't mind the shake-up and if we do get more attention to working class politics out of it, that's a win I'll take. But I've got no patience for violent authoritarians esp. those who hate separation of powers and rule of law and I've got no problem calling out Nazi wanna-be's.
But this is all the Republicans' problem. The Democrats and the left have their own problems. Related, but separate.
Either way, Special K. is a dumb douche and I'm glad he got banned. Trump must be exciting his senile authoritarian tickle bone or something.
“Patterico is a phony conservative.”
In other words, he’s not a Trumpist, rendering him impure. The great white nationalist movement won’t tolerate impurity.
Another 400 comment thread with 200 by lefty trolls.
Have fun.
Patterico is a phony conservative. He is a Never Trumper and an establishment Republican neocon like Bill Kristol, French, Goldberg and the rest of the conservative establishment that are not interest in conservative results but in being invited to Washington parties and selling books and tickets for cruises.
The neocons are still cons. They (and you all) basically stand against social stability if economic mobility has anything to do with it and define themselves through nothing but might and power. All American right-wing cons do. It's just Trump wants to focus on power as a means to achieve domestic goals and the neocons accept that post-WWII American power is an asset worth preserving as well. I disagree with their imperialism, but I don't think Trump's that opposed to it, either. He'll entangle us in foreign ventures, just less coherently. Of course, I could be wrong and maybe he actually will have a positive effect on Korea and the Middle East. But to lack any skepticism over a guy who just says, "I'll say it, and it will get done. Because I'm ME!" is the height of idiocy. Let's see if the guy who couldn't even write his own autobiography about "The Art of the Deal" is as talented a dealmaker as he always says but never was - other than in bankruptcy court, of course.
I think you are mislabeling the people who support Trump. Most of them are populist. The Rust Belt Democrats that are his core constituents are something different than the Chamber of Commerce Republicans who want unlimited immigration and globalization that sends jobs overseas to make profits for Wall Street and takes jobs away from American workers.
President Trump is attempting to bring American jobs back as his first priority. New trade deals. Freeing up American Energy. Imposing tariffs. You can argue that he is wrong and the policy is destructive but you can not argue that he is not trying to bring jobs back. He is running Richard Gepharts policies in 2018. In other words he is a Conservative Democrat which is what he has always been. He doesn't want to cut Social Security or Medicare like Paul Ryan. He has many policies that you can get behind Ritmo. I know you are contrarian but you are simply following the conventional wisdom of the establishment of both parties. I urge you to look again. You are not a doctrinaire progressive lunatic like Inga and Chuck. Look at the policy and not the person. Trump is a flawed vessel but he is amazingly effective in spite of almost universal opposition.
Think again.
"On one hand, I don't mind the shake-up and if we do get more attention to working class politics out of it, that's a win I'll take."
For Fs sake.
You must be F-ing kidding.
How is this shell game not obvious?
Ha ha ha ha.
Give the suckers "more attention" aka give them blather aka let them eat cake.
Sheesh.
Another 400 comment thread with 200 by lefty trolls.
"Waaahhhh! Other people commented - the nerve! And it wasn't ME! Only I should comment!"
Fuck off, Special K. I'll go and tabulate your own posts, right now. WTF is this, a comment quota machine? If you've got nothing convincing to say or a rebuttal to the minority of commenters here who aren't Nazi-Trump simps or right-wingers in general then just shove it up your ass and STFU.
“....but I don't think Trump's that opposed to it, either. He'll entangle us in foreign ventures, just less coherently.”
His choice for NSA, John Bolton, is a giveaway as to his sincerity of keeping us out of foreign entanglements.
I think hes sincere but he's aiming at the wrong target, california is a one party state thAt's about to ban the bible for being pro traditional marriage, where a murderous,cult leader can attack a prosecutor at will, where they are spending hundreds of millions on a train to nowhere.
For Fs sake.
You must be F-ing kidding.
How is this shell game not obvious?
Oh, I agree that Trump's a charlatan - always was always will be. You'd have to be from the flyover not to know that. Everyone where he's from hates him. But that's right-wing ignorance of everything that goes on on the East or West coastal population and economic and cultural centers, for you.
But if the success of his demagogic rhetoric at least forces one party or even both to finally accept that working class issues are the name of the game and nothing they can ignore any more, then I'll make lemonade out of those lemons. No need to put every abomination this man makes a waste. No crisis should go to waste. He's a symptom not the disease but if he serves as a wake-up call then that's as it should be.
His choice for NSA, John Bolton, is a giveaway as to his sincerity of keeping us out of foreign entanglements.
Totally.
The wingers are nothing if not completely stupid about what purposes his (usually horrible) appointments serve.
Not a single person makes any reasonable argument against my last, at 6:12 PM.
I welcome a single reasoned response.
“Look at the policy and not the person.”
Look at both. There were some very famous autocrats in history who promised the populace highways and jobs and to rid the country of the dirty unwanteds.
"Of course, I could be wrong and maybe he actually will have a positive effect on Korea and the Middle East"
That is how you are different than a lunatic like Inga. You are willing to let facts sway your opinion. Lets look at a few facts.
Rocket man is willing to denuclearize. End the threats to South Korea, Japan and Hawaii by giving up his weapons.
China is pressuring him to comply based on Trumps maneuvering and courting of the Chinese hierarchy and their fear that he will impose tariffs. They need us more than we need them. They realize this. The progressive do not.
Saudi Arabia is modernizing. Women are going to be able to drive and go to the movies. They have told the Palestinians to shut up and take yes for an answer. They are even willing to establish churches in the homeland of Mecca.
Facts on the ground. Not the fulminations of fake news.
All in the face of the united opposition of the establishment of both parties.
Quite impressive if you are going to be fair.
There have three long era of expeditionary interventions the first was Latin America until 1933, the second was south east Asia the third was the middle East. Nixon tried proxies in the last group which collapsed with the Shah, which prompted the gulf and Iraq wars, ReagAn worked with proxies in the first group, couldnt do much about indochina except supprt the nkpa against the vietnamese occupiers in cambodia.
Not a single person makes any reasonable argument against my last, at 6:12 PM.
I welcome a single reasoned response.
Reasoned people don't find you welcoming, Birch buns.
You're a hard-headed, stubborn, ignorant, ideological schmuck who usually ignores the point and tells everyone you disagree with that they're Russian or Venezuelan communists. The McCarthy Model of Argumentation fails for a reason - it's propaganda, not argument.
“That is how you are different than a lunatic like Inga. You are willing to let facts sway your opinion. Lets look at a few facts.”
Ah the smooth talker thinks he’s going to bamboozle Ritmo, huh? I kind of doubt it. Tell him about “your Jews” and their little yarmulke adorned heads and how you like them counting your money again. I always like hearing you talk about that in regard to your self proclaimed white nationalism.
PPPT,
We'll see.
I'm more on the glass is half empty side of the ledger than you are.
But, presumably we do agree that DJT is not necessarily giving attention to working class politics as much as he's figured out how to con working class folks into supporting more of the figurative pie being trickled up. Which is more like taking attention away from working class politics, where the figurative rubber meets the road.
Quite impressive if you are going to be fair.
Possibly so, but there's a problem and that's timeline and history. Rarely is one able to conclude the impact of a foreign policy action in just a few weeks, especially if the foreigner has been involved in lying along the same lines to convince the West to back off before. I'll wait until those chickens are hatched before counting them - especially given how much Trump has decimated the state department and figured that he alone would somehow figure out all that needed to be known about any country's extensive history. Premature evaluation seems to be a recurring problem in diplomacy these days. They applauded the Iran deal too before really giving it a more comprehensive evaluation. Both parties in America are dying to assume that their foreign policies will be the most winningest ever, and don't take the long view and figure into them all the possibilities honestly.
Good job Doc. Ya managed to troll three with the same bait you use every time.
Surprised it still works.
"So and so is here, I am leaving"
!!!!!!blah blah!!!!!blah blah!!!
Hilarious.
Bolton is a technician who will adjust his positions to that of the President if he wants to keep his job. Like Kissenger with Nixon he will be "flexible."
There is a limited pool of people to choose from and if you go outside of the box they will destroy them as they did to Mike Flynn and Sebastian Gorka.
President Trump is the only one talking about bringing our boys home and ending the endless wars. He wanted to get out of Syria so the Deep State had to pose a fake gas attack to freeze the troops there. He is proposing taking our boys home from Korea and they are shitting in their pants. He is the only one who wants to stop the foreign entanglements but both party establishments and the Deep State are fighting him tooth and nail. Our only hope is if he just ignores them and follows his own instincts to put America First.
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Killfile extension for your browser, people!
Michael K:
Works on the formatted comments when you click the title.
Not on the "nnn comments' link.
I tend to think visitors to this blog must be put off by the TDS in the comment content.
Trolls should be ignored, not encouraged.
Keep a level head and tell the truth.
It's like fear toxin, it distorts the senses, under Obama many of our allies in North Africa thought it a better movie to follow the Russian lead. Rather than salafi insurgents like Ansar al sharia and aqim even regimes farthest from there like Mali and niger were under siege
“Bolton is a technician who will adjust his positions to that of the President if he wants to keep his job. Like Kissenger with Nixon he will be "flexible."”
Oh please. Trump is influenced by the last person he talked to and can reverse himself in the matter of an hour depending on who talked to him last.
But, presumably we do agree that DJT is not necessarily giving attention to working class politics as much as he's figured out how to con working class folks into supporting more of the figurative pie being trickled up. Which is more like taking attention away from working class politics, where the figurative rubber meets the road.
That's the only thing that makes me optimistic, though. Those voters are not the same as the violent authoritarian culture war white nationalists like Achilles. I'm pretty sure they're just giving Trump a short leash and are unafraid to yank it decisively if he doesn't deliver or fudges the numbers to pretend that he is. Either way I think it promotes those issues, which I think are at the core of how a Trump got elected in the first place. I'm less worried however that he'll get away with trashing the constitution and rule of law, given how much smarter the special prosecutor is than he is and how much more entertaining his media critics and satirists are. Whether he blows the world up in the meantime, though? That's a tough one. But perhaps shake-ups and resets are good there, too. I think he's a fool for thinking he alone has the answers to everything but the good news is that if he fails miserably people will wake up and keep a guy like him as far away from the WH as possible ever again.
" Rarely is one able to conclude the impact of a foreign policy action in just a few weeks, especially if the foreigner has been involved in lying along the same lines to convince the West to back off before. I'll wait until those chickens are hatched before counting them - especially given how much Trump has decimated the state department and figured that he alone would somehow figure out all that needed to be known about any country's extensive history."
That is very fair. Also to be fair many people did not agree with the Iran deal and thought it was a debacle at the time. President Trump is going to break the deal. John Kerry and the Deep State are at this very moment colluding with the Iranian government to reverse the policy of the democratic elected President of the United States.
Also you can't have it both ways. You can't say it is ridiculous to fill positions with retreads like Bolton and then say he decimated the State Department. You can't say he decimated the State Department when the Democrats in the Senate refuse to confirm his appointments. Why was the ambassador to Germany held back for two years? Someone who had been previously vetted and confirmed several times. You can't have it both ways.
Lets wait and see. That is certainly fair enough.
"The Obama DEA’s broken quota system resulted in unconstrained and unvalidated increases each year for the past decade that fueled the drug epidemic,” Morrisey wrote. “It is as if the Obama DEA soaked our nation with gasoline that puddled and pooled in vulnerable communities where rampant criminal and negligent conduct ignited this dangerous excess opioid supply into a raging inferno of tragic destruction and death.”
It's much the same rant as with Reagan in the 80s, Bolton is more in the William Clark vein, McMaster was one of those interchangeable successors.
PPPT,
I need 2018 results, and then 2020 results before I can get agree w/ where you suggest we may get.
For now, I can just as easily come up w/ a very different narrative.
I dunno.
I see that white nationalism is getting Inga's panties in a bunch.
White nationalism made this country. It is it's only hope. Because if the old white guys are not in charge you know what you get?
Baltimore.
At least I can count on Doc Mike to be funny.
Lets watch what is happening in South Africa these days.
It will be instructive to see what black nationalism brings to the table.
It is not going to be pretty.
Ah that pesky French proverb about only wicked animals,willing to defend themselves.
“White nationalism made this country.”
Slave labor built this country.
"Congratulations to your kid!"
Thanks
"I've got a student in the same boat. For us it's the difference between, "Are you sure this means what you say it does? - Prove it to us" and, "These tables are formatted incorrectly; this figure has a mistake; these citations are incorrect." The substance is complete and defended, some details need fixing but the outcome is no longer in question."
Maybe because their advisor is pretty young (this is the advisor's second PhD candidate to defend), and doesn't yet have tenure, but it is hard to believe that they could get to their defense and not have this all worked out. It helps that my kid has worked with all of the people on their committee over the last several years. Of course, we could all be surprised.
Never been through one of these before, but apparently, at least here, the defense is a two stage operation, where they first present to the public, that includes friends and others in the school. Then, they meet privately with their advisor and committee, where the actual defense happens. Where they are presumably asked about whether they considered this or that, etc. The public presentation should be interesting, since a number of the people attending don't have the technical background to understand it. I probably will do better than most outside of the department, since I have been reading papers all along, and doing a little research along the way, plus touched on some of the technology with my patent work. We shall see.
That is very fair. Also to be fair many people did not agree with the Iran deal and thought it was a debacle at the time.
Which is fair as well. If the point was apparently to curtail its ambitions for regional hegemony and disruption then maybe using the JCPOA renewal options as leverage over them is right. I bought into the Obama premise that using Iran to break the Saudi deadlock over the region was analogous to using Nixon's China outreach as leverage against the Soviets, but if an Israeli-Sunni-Arab alliance proceeds and the KSA does reform enough to make it a less likely source of terrorism and destabilization going forward, then that's fine to fuck the Iranians. As some guy put it last night, they're fighting proxy wars with us against allies in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and KSA. That's enough to have had it with them.
The last thing we need though is to placate Iran when clearly the greater source of stability is the whole rest of the region that they're fucking with at every corner.
Lets wait and see. That is certainly fair enough.
Thanks.
FullM,
You've got the chick/egg/cart/horse thing backwards.
Killfile extension for your browser, people!
Michael K:
Works on the formatted comments when you click the title.
Not on the "nnn comments' link.
I tend to think visitors to this blog must be put off by the TDS in the comment content.
Trolls should be ignored, not encouraged.
I've tried to make that work on Chrome and haven't tried on Safari.
I just have other things to do. I was about to go swimming as it is 102 degrees but I found two dead lizards and a dead mouse in the pool so my enthusiasm waned. Sadly the leftists here seem to be very aggressive so avoidance seems the best.
Of course it was the collapse of tbe shahs regime that fall of heaven makes clear was not inevitable until after the summer of 78, that encouraged the Soviets to incur in Afghanistan, and the Mahdi wannabe to rebel.
“Sadly the leftists here seem to be very aggressive so avoidance seems the best.”
Well, it’s a little late for that. With your earlier attack, you opened the door for aggression. Don’t act like you’re not the aggressor in most cases of retaliatory insult swapping.
"I was about to go swimming"
Just incase anyone missed his first comment telling us that he was going swimming, he re-commented.
FTR, this is the guy who constantly fusses that other folks shouldn't comment re unrelated jabber.
He's the best!
“I was about to go swimming"
Maybe he should’ve stayed in California where the weather is the best, not that hellhole fiery furnace called Arizona.
The same person responsible for the framework with North Korea Wendy Sherman dialed to eleven with the Iran deal.by around 2001 it was clear that senior Kim had assistance from PAkistan in building their bomb and was proceeding with the Libyan nuclear program.
narciso said...
Of course it was the collapse of tbe shahs regime that fall of heaven makes clear was not inevitable until after the summer of 78, that encouraged the Soviets to incur in Afghanistan, and the Mahdi wannabe to rebel.
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The fecklessness of Jimmy Carter is legendary. Elected by enthusiastic voters in '76. scornfully tossed out of office in 1980. And that after a bruising primary battle with a man who had killed his girlfriend while driving drunk.
I hate to tell all the lefties here, but this is already all but over. CNN and wall-to-wall Stormy Daniels 24-7, and take a look at the latest RCP average. You who dream of impeachment, impeachment is not a legal matter, it is a political matter. Mueller is in fact not a legal functionary now, he is a political actor. He has assumed a central political role, a disturbingly secretive and almost entirely unaccountable role. A role not provided for in the U.S. Constitution. Yet he is also clearly LOOSING the only battle that matters, thepolitical battle. If he cannot find something FAR better than the nothing-there disappearing Russia Collusion fable and FAR FAR better than ANYTHING having to do with Stormy Daniels to pin directly and plausibly on Trump, he will have wasted two years tying this government in knots with nothing to show. As long as he continues unable to lift the cloud descending on his enterprise it won't even matter a diddle damn if the Democrats get the House. There will be no impeachment, let along any conviction in the Senate. And if the Democrats do not come up with a plausible alternative set of ideas about the nation other than Trump hatred, he will be re-elected in 2020.
I just have other things to do.
I'm sure they're just as masturbatory as telling a bunch of people whom you claim not to read about the many methods you've devised to keep yourself from reading them. Sounds like a full-time hobby of yours, Special K. I wish I could spend as much time telling people I claim to ignore how much I ignore them.
Wait - no I don't! Just kidding.
Now go get your diaper changed.
Blogger Inga said...
“White nationalism made this country.”
Slave labor built this country.
5/6/18, 8:12 PM
You've merely repeated the statement's false premise, Inga.
The confederacy lost the civil war. It wasn't even close.
Some people seem to be convinced that if they utter a phrase that condemns the United States or condemns slavery in the US, that statement is both true and is worth the uttering.
Not true.
"Slave labor built this country."
Typical leftist clap trap.
Slaves were important in the South but in the end they were more trouble than they were worth.
This country was made by the Scotch Irish frontiersman who stole it from the Indians and the Mexicans.
The slaves were more trouble than they were worth. As they are to this very day.
He was a cipher who revealed his left-wing instincts in a manner deborcgrave depicted allegorically in the spike, where a,missippi marque has basically conceded large parts of the free world through influence from policymakers clearly based on institute from policy studies. In this world the Marxist leaning Yemen toppled the kingdom almost without a shot. Alfred coppels apocalypse brigade mostly depicts a similar scenario.
A thinly disguised Patrick Moynihan is the figure the protagonist a for counterculture journalist turned conservative muckrakee reaches out to.
Inga: "Oh please. Trump is influenced by the last person he talked to and can reverse himself in the matter of an hour depending on who talked to him last."
The exact same complaint was lodged against Reagan. In addition to the lefties telling us Reagan was a Nazi fascist. And Stupid. And a failure in every other area of his life.
It's just the same old playbook trotted out each year since there have been no new ideas from the left since 1917, or more precisely, 1793.
Yes the same playbook, back then Robert gates was on the chopping block
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/05/06/the-pathetic-push-to-torpedo-gina-haspel/amp/
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