I wasn't watching the election results yet. I was finishing that last post.
Meade was watching Fox News, and he just started talking about how he could tell by the way they were talking that they are seeing some sort of information — which they're not revealing — that shows them Roy Moore will win.
A minute later, I got a text from my son Chris, saying "The tone of the punditry on CNN makes me think they know he'll win."
UPDATE: NYT declares Jones the winner!
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294 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 294 of 294@Dickin'Bimbos, link please? My information is that Bannon is the sole reason Moore finished first instead of third. Brooks would have clobbered Jones.
As I said earlier G-D loving folks have many reasons not to vote for Moore besides his trolling habits, and the folks seemed to have understood that.
Hopefully the GOP learned not to nominate loons. Even without the questionable allegations, Moore was a weirdo.
Unfortunately, the Dems learned that last minute slime attacks using admitted forgeries work. That's a bad lesson, and I have no doubt that they will apply it again.
Now that Moore lost, it's time to turn up the heat and the other Dem-Gropers.
Howard said...
Jones victory speech...Never saw Jones before. He looks like Elmer Fudd with a bad combover.
No, he looks like Ratboy with a comb over.
Make that "main reason."
Mac: This is a big republican opportunity. You can win elections with a Trump Bannon non-GOPe candidate if he is not a child molester and religious zealot dipshit embarrassment. He. Almost. Won!!!@
"All Republicans lost big tonight, everything on their agenda is now in jeopardy."
You mean, TRUMPS agenda is in jeopardy. The McConnell/Ryan/National Review/Bill Kristol agenda isn't hurt at all.
That's why all those people worked to defeat Moore. They don't care if the R's are a majority or a minority. That's not their agenda. Its all about the donors $$$ - and they didn't want Moore.
All Republicans lost big tonight, everything on their agenda is now in jeopardy.
No, we lost it when Moore won the nomination.
Mac: The Nose...you're right
Allred gets a scalp!
I just hope this doesn't derail the tax cut. The guys on the margin - Flake, Corker, Collins or McCain - have a bit more political leverage now.
Hagar said...
Mitch McConnell and the GOPe are going to regret this.
Riiight. Because now Steve Bannon is going to come up with some even better candidates!
http://popcrush.com/files/2015/10/gaga-kiss.gif
Seriously; what is there to "regret"? With 51 votes in the Senate, Donald Trump basically has to beg Jeff Flake for anything, and everything. And Jeff Flake is supposed to "regret" that?
I wonder if Alabama Republicans will dawn black mask and form a RESISTANCE or accept the results of an election?
So..in what sense will Jones represent the views of his constituents now that Moore is out of the equation?
Very disappointing, especially on the matter of victory against "the swamp".
Still, I have always been a pessimist.
Anyway, a short term prediction tomorrow - the S&P and Dow will be down, perhaps significantlty, and may be well off all week. This based on my theory that the markets like Trump and react badly to his setbacks.
Congrads to the Washington Post and Mitch McConnell.
You wanted an liberal Democrat from Alabama and you got one.
Of course, you had to lie and smear a good man to do it. But whatver.
Poor Inga thinks I'm a loser, when she's the one who thinks falsely accusing others of pedophilia for political advantage is perfectly OK for Democratic operatives and for her own self. I think that makes her more of a loser, morally, ethically, and intellectually, than I could ever hope to achieve if I were trying to lose. I may be a weevil, but she's a dung beetle, who seems to enjoy being a coprophagic ninny - and in public!
“Seriously; what is there to "regret"? With 51 votes in the Senate, Donald Trump basically has to beg Jeff Flake for anything, and everything. And Jeff Flake is supposed to "regret" that?”
Flake’s revenge, lol!
Dr weevil - don't be such a sore loser. This is the time for everyone, left and right, black and white, child abusers and decent people, to come together for the betterment of the USA.
Oooooo the insect is getting buzzing mad! 🤣
That was close.
I was hoping the Trump victory represented the turning of the tide.
Now, i see it was just a "one-off" almost miracle victory.
51% of the people (including 60% of women) will do whatever the Power elite want.
Oh, well maybe things will be better in 2018, although I doubt it.
No, this is the time for child abusers to bugger off out of politics and (preferably) into jail. That means Menendez for one, and it does not mean Moore, who is entirely innocent, as anyone who bothered to look at the 'evidence' against him already knows.
Teenagers singing hymnals out of Key at the Roy Moore Party.
“I was hoping the Trump victory represented the turning of the tide.
Now, i see it was just a "one-off" almost miracle victory.”
Yes indeed! You are right. Thank God.
Also, stock tip - which we will be too late for, certainly, I'm certainly not the only one with this insight - firearms stocks, strong buy. I will try.
Ruger, RGR
American Outdoor Brands, AOBC
etc.
I would really like to buy Remington, rather distressed due to sales being down, but it is privately held.
Trump congrats to Jones
Don't fret, by the end of 2018 half of the Obama Intel team and the FBI might be in jail.
Trump has plausible deniability on the Moore debacle. He will spin this to his advantage... as long as he can bribe enough squishy republicans on his tax bill
“Also, stock tip - which we will be too late for, certainly, I'm certainly not the only one with this insight - firearms stocks, strong buy. I will try.
Ruger, RGR
American Outdoor Brands, AOBC
etc.
I would really like to buy Remington, rather distressed due to sales being down, but it is privately held.”
Ah yes, along comes Buwaya, ready to foment violence again in a country he didn’t care enough for, to even become a citizen of after living here for 30 years.
Poor stupid Inga can't tell the difference between someone who's "mad" at her and someone who's expressing contempt for her dung-beetle vileness. Will she ever apologize for accusing a fellow commenter of "diddling 14 year olds"? Will she ever understand that that very accusation shows the stupidity of the idea that mere accusations of pedophilia are proof of anything? Or will she go on proudly posting comments here, even knowing that the rest of us can see the shit smeared all over her snout?
Poor insect, just got squashed, but still buzzing mad.
I am a pessimist, as I said.
Six months ago I hedged, putting as much as possible that I could extract from my assets, in "safe" investments abroad. I dont expect to make money on this, this is just my attempt at prudence, a fall-back, just in case. I am not counting on our various pensions, and besides, its there for the kids if they need a grub-stake in a different country.
I see very serious problems for the US, if reform is forestalled. These problems are a bit closer on the horizon, tonight. I am not going to pull a Krugman, but tonight was not good news. For anyone.
"Ah yes, along comes Buwaya, ready to foment violence"
Not fomenting..cashing in.
C'mon Inga..work your portfolio.
The pussyhats will become old hats.
I'm glad Inga has nothing to distract her now from loudly agitating to have *actual proven* pedophile Menendez removed from the Senate.
She'll get to work on that right away. Cause you know she just can't abide pedophiles. Really.
I do not suggest buying firearms, merely predicting what people will do. Based on decades of observation.
You can critique my predictions afterwards, they are falsifiable after all.
Someone just said Trumpism is a paper tiger. Music to my ears.
The Reckoning can claim Moore's scalp, but the carnage, to date anyway, is mostly among the liberals. There's lots more to come. The Dems cannot move on Trump without first reckoning with the legacy of Bill and Hillary......Moore was accused of some heavy duty crap. The allegations against Trump are less than those against Franken and way less than those against Clinton.....I don't think Trump's sex history is in any way admirable, but he is far less hypocritical than the Clintons and the Dems demanding his resignation. You can give Roman Polanski a standing ovation and you can disapprove of Trump, but you can't do both.
Apparently Inga thinks refusing to answer questions, or to apologize for lies counts as "squashing" the person asking the questions and calling her on the lies. Oh well, keep on rolling that big ball of shit, Inga! It's no more or less than the rest of us expect of a dung beetle.
Poor pathetic insect, just got squashed and had his little wiggly legs pulled off and he’s still buzzing mad.
That last minute push by Dems to force out Franken was pure political genius. It caused a small segment of Repubs in Alabama to stay home.
Oh well - politics ain't beanbag
Hopefully the GOP learned not to nominate loons.
Some of us learned that in 2010 when Christine O'Donnell was the nominee in Deleware, and again when Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock were the GOP nominees in red states like Missouri and Indiana. What Trump and Mitch McConnell could do with a 55 - 45 margin in the Senate! But people like Mac McConnell (commenting here) and Steve Bannon are ineducable.
I'm just trying to figure out why Inga hasn't responded to any questions about her plans to bring down Menendez.
It's a mystery.
Well, I suppose we can let her enjoy her victory tonight. But bright and early tomorrow I expect to see a dozen cut and paste articles every day for the next 3 months detailing all the evidence that Menendez actually fucked underage sex slaves until pedophile Menendez has been removed from the Senate! Do it for the children, Inga!
@holdfast and @Bay Area Guy, a minor prediction on my part. Al Franken changes his mind and decides not to resign now that Moore is defeated. Gillibrand walks back her previous comments against him, citing new evidence.
I've seen reports on twitter that the Washington Post and CNN are working on a story about 20-40 sexual predators in Congress - I assume they've gotten hold of the list of the lawmakers whose depredations cost $17,000,000 in taxpayer money to pay off. We may be having a whole lot of special elections in the next few months, and I'm guessing that there will be a lot more Democrats than Republicans on the list, though there will no doubt be a few of the latter. Not to mention that human mortality will likely affect the 51-49 Senate ratio in unsurprising (McCain) and surprising ways over the next year.
On the bright side Franken has to actually resign now.
And I think you all have more than enough guns as it is.
Well, he didn’t. Now we know the Repubs are too dumb to govern.
Good point, BAG. I thought Franken should have resigned sooner, but perhaps the timing was planned to be fresh in the minds of the Alabama republican women some who were sufficiently disgusted by Moore to sity this one out.
Moore's people talking recount now. The gift that keeps on giving!
Mac: Franken's an amateur. His replacement will be more effective
“I'm just trying to figure out why Inga hasn't responded to any questions about her plans to bring down Menendez.”
Where are Menendez’s victims? I encourage them to come forward. Or those who witnessed Menendez’s sexual assaults to come forward. What else do you want me to do?
Big Mike:
I'm getting tired of seeing people at work and on Twitter talking as if Franken were already gone, when he hasn't even set a date. Without waiting for the AL results, I bet a guy at work 50 cents that Franken will still be in the Senate in three weeks (first day back from Christmas break). I would have bet more, but he didn't seem to want to put more behind his assurance that Franken's leaving.
Moore covering up his hard-on for teenybopper with the bible now
Menendez would be replaced by another democrat. If the dems replace all their pervs, that puts moore spot on Drumpf in the miss teen USA dressing rooms
"Hopefully the GOP learned not to nominate loons."
-- What are you talking about? Perfectly normal candidates like Christine O'Donnel, Mitt Romney and John McCain were "otherized" just as easily as Moore was. Hell, Christine O'Donnel had to cut an ad telling people she wasn't a witch and did not practice naked black magic dances in the woods at night because of what people slimed her with.
No matter who the Republicans put up, they're going to be called a loon.
Big Mike:
Republicans didn't nominate Akin in Missouri. Democrats crossed over to vote for him in large numbers, because they thought he would be the easiest to beat, and he still only won a three-way primary 34-33-31 or something very close to that.
The GOP did not nominate loons, primary voters nominated some normal-enough people who could be made to look like loons. Because they were not members of the nomenklatura.
Any given member of the nomenklatura could just as easily have been made to look foolish and unfit.
Its not the facts, its the message, and of course who controls the message-machine.
Frakens replacement will be a woman, if he really resigns.
Howard:
Isn't Chris Christie governor of New Jersey for a couple more weeks? Once the Democrat elected to replace him last month is inaugurated, we may see a greater willingness on the part of the Democrats to push Menendez out and replace him with a more attractive Democrat. Then again, many of them seem to enjoy wallowing in the hypocrisy of protecting their own known perverts while inveighing against the alleged perverts in the other party.
Inga,
What legislation will Jones help put over the top that AL voters agree with?
Tonight was not good news even for Howard, Chuck, Inga and the lot. Your ongoing structural problems are going to harm you, too, or your children and grandchildren. This is not just some social garbage.
Your political-economic system is in the hands of a very malevolent clique. They are predators, though to them you arent prey really. You all are simply pests, to be suppressed or removed.
The best analogy here is the humans vs the Martians in H.G.Wells' "War of the Worlds". You face "intelligences vast and cool, and unsympathetic".
“What legislation will Jones help put over the top that AL voters agree with?”
I believe the people of Alabama who voted for Jones can answer that for you. Don’t you trust them to know what is best for them and their state?
Ah..
I asked YOU. The so celebratory YOU.
You don't give a shit about that, we all know.
Dr Weevil: Good point, I forgot that
Odds one of the two new Senators will be a woman?
"Hopefully the GOP learned not to nominate loons."
I used to think this too, but I was wrong (for the reasons noted by Matthew Sablan notes above)
Mitt Romney was the complete opposite of a loon. Totally squeaky clean - scandal free - no grabbing Pussy by old Mitt.
And yet he was successfully demonized and "otherized" by the Left.
So, to me, the lessons learned wasn't to avoid nominating loons, but nominating folks who: (a) fight back and (b) avoid being demonized by any means necessary.
I'm not saying it's easy. To me, it's absolutely amazing that the GOP is still competitive across the country, despite the massive welfare class, University class, and rentier class. So, my expectations are low. If Trump gets the tax bill passed, a few more Federal judges, avoids a few wars in the Middle East, I'll be reasonably pleased.
Their biggest problem with you Americans is that you persistently vote "wrong", not conforming to their desires.
So they will do what they can to suppress this inconvenience.
Trump scared them; they wont permit that again.
You have not had "normal" politics for over a decade.
Every single overt issue in any electoral contest, that they raise, is fake. Its a diversion, a distraction, and not relevant to the genuine matters at issue.
@buwaya "Its not the facts, its the message, and of course who controls the message-machine."
I know what you mean, but in this particular case, I don't think that is convincing. Moore and his character were very much "out there" from the beginning. He had a long public history that the voters could access. And local television coverage in particular actually skewed quite heavily in his favour.
Dr Weevil
McCaskill has always ran skeezy campaigns with the help of urban newspapers and the unions. When she was the county prosecutor working on arson cases, but she always says she prosecuted drug and molestation cases in Congress. The father of her children was a druggy, he got caught at the casino doing them, she was supposedly clueless. He also got killed in his car outside a crack house, she was clueless. Her condo being auctioned off for back taxes, it was her brother's fault. Back taxes on her private plane, her husband's fault. Owning a private plane, her husband's fault. Sold the plane before the last election so she just like us no plane, but bought a more expensive plane after the election. This time she registered it with a air management corp with the request to the FAA that it can't be publicly tracked charging her office with travel expenses. I bet she blames her husband, there's a pattern.
I remember when she first ran for state wide office, she had operatives that looked like her. They would all attended political events around the state pretending to be her. I shit you not.
BAG,
I thought the same.
I mean..Mitch got skewered BECAUSE he gave special consideration to women..the supposedly hideous "folders full of women".
He was truly fucked over.
But then he deemed himself worthy of skewering Trump..as if hgis model was workable in contemporary US politics..compounded by his attempt to later gain a position in a Trump admin.
"Sad!"
Inga..you have found your kindred spirits.
Head on down to 'Bama with that pussy hat on yer head.
“Inga..you have found your kindred spirits.
Head on down to 'Bama with that pussy hat on yer head.”
Ohhhh, not only Alabama, we women are everywhere. Here we come.
Inga:
During Menendez's trial, his human trafficking victims suddenly all recanted their testimony. While they were still under the direct control of the traffickers.
Oh well. What can you do, rigbt? I'm sure that'll sort itself out, no neex to get your hands dirty.
Or you could post the evidence against him on every thread for 3 months like you did with Moore over infinitely less evidence and about infinitely worse crimes. Yeah, yeah, I could expect you to do that.
Priorities! The children, they are not it, apparently. If they underage kids don't get themselves free ox their traffickers so they can testify freely, well, at least Inga can devote as much time to objecting to that as she did to defending a 40 year old admitted forgery. Maybe.
She will be back, with new underage accusations for the next election. Dems will consider this a winning tactic, because it worked.
+eleventy
Yes, Inga.
I think you and all like you should place extreme confidence in the metrics of AL.
Go for it!
Pussy hats across murrica!
Inga
Ohhhh, not only Alabama, we women are everywhere. Here we come.
No what this new warlock hunt will do is drive the relations between men and women back to the 1950s, no man in his right mind will hire a woman. I'll lie in court that I ever said that, but no female interns in my office ever unless they are related to me.
Much like Hillary Clinton, Roy Moore lost because he was a bad candidate with a lot of baggage, and because he wasn't even on the campaign trail the last few days.
Inga and her ilk are happy tonight - and why shouldn't they be? It's much more fun to win, than lose.
When I first became moderately aware of politics as a kid - Ronnie Reagan was our Governor, TrickyDick Nixon was our President and California always voted GOP in presidential elections (except for Goldwater in '64)
And I thought it would last this way forever!
Boy, was I wrong.
Luther Strange was the safe GOP bet, Trump supported him, but Bannon screwed it up. Oh well, life goes on.
BAG,
The pussies are coming.
The
Pussies
Are
Coming!!!!!!!
Fusion GPS Confirms Hiring DOJ Official’s Wife To Investigate Trump!
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/12/fusion-gps-confirms-hiring-doj-officials-wife-to-investigate-trump/
Also check our the text between FBI's Peter Strzok and the FBI's resident lawyer / matressback Lisa Page.
Pass the fucking popcorn!
From the post itself: "Meade was watching Fox News, and he just started talking about how he could tell by the way they were talking that they are seeing some sort of information — which they're not revealing — that shows them Roy Moore will win...A minute later, I got a text from my son Chris, saying "The tone of the punditry on CNN makes me think they know he'll win."
Nobody commented on this (as far as I could see) but I think this is a great example of how we are sometimes wrong. Meade "could tell by the way they were talking" that Moore was winning. That's the kind of language that I read here a lot; I mean that kind of slightly conspiratorial "we can read into something" talk.
This is a good example of it being wrong.
(media) Tone ain't votes
Al Franken breathes a sigh of relief. Moore lost so he's let out of his contract and won't resign. And Dems know that hounding a sitting Franken will stoke the call to bring down Trump.
That's what this whole thing was, right?
The best analogy here is the humans vs the Martians
You're a bit of a drama queen even by San Francisco standards.
Now that Roy Moore has time on his hands, does he have a defamation of character case against Beverly Young Nelson? She wrote words into her yearbook and claimed they were his, words that claim a specific time and place when Moore allegedly signed the book.
The Democrats have two plays in their playbook, one of which is guaranteed to work against any Republican: Slander (Judge Moore), and murder (Steve Scalise, Rand Paul).
Hey man..the Rand Paul thing was over lawn clippings..or something.
Back to the scheduled pogramming: Pussy uber alles!
Dunno..
Inga, have you weighed in on the Rand Paul ribfest?
It is interesting to contemplate actual current injuries vs all the rest.
(Wolf Blitzer's prop pen falls outtta frame..)
Democrats will repeat this strategy on an epic scale next Fall. The Republican leadership has only itself to blame for this, too. Republicans will probably win this particular seat back in 2020, but the damage is done. I now predict that the Democrats run the table in the Senate next year to regain a majority. The leadership of the Republicans is basically spineless.
Luther Strange was the safe GOP bet, Trump supported him, but Bannon screwed it up. Oh well, life goes on.
The problem was the voters (Those damned voters !) didn't like him.
The problem wasn't Bannon but McConnell who assisted in the defenestration of Moore.
This sexual harassment tactic has now been proven to work as fake racism did with George Allen.
Expect to see a lot of it.
Michael K,
Expect me to ignore all such charges. Because even the case against Moore was weak sauce with a mere 10,000 vote swing.
They will have LESS evidence and less egregious crimes against anyone else.
There is only so big a silk purse one can make out of a sow's ear.
My predictions did not work -
The S&P is flat and the Dow is up half a point. All normal IOW
The previous trend of liking Trump good news/hating bad news did not seem to apply.
That, or the market does not consider this Trump bad news. TBD.
RGR and AOBC (especially) are down substantially.
I would still buy, they seem a decent sort of hedge.
After the Democrats lost more than 1,000 state and federal seats during President Boyfriend's eight years, you'd think they'd be overdue to pick up one.
Good for them. Enjoy it. Senator Scott Brown gives his best.
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