October 26, 2017

Female privilege.


ADDED: You might think: Katy Perry is not objecting, but what can she do but keep smiling and show herself to be a good sport? She can't improvise, and she can't step on Ellen's effort at comic performance. Ellen is the comedian. She's the comedian with a show, a media outlet to the fans. You can shut that door if you choose, but what's the motivation?

Katy Perry clearly wants her breasts to be noticed and admired — or at least she's decided to use them as devices to further her career. So why would she complain (as long as Ellen doesn't become a target of #MeTooism)?

Ellen is clowning in a style that reminds me of Jerry Lewis, so I went looking for a photo of Jerry Lewis staring at a woman's breasts. I couldn't find one, but I did find this example of Jerry doing the complete opposite of staring at a woman's breasts:

100 comments:

Fred Rawlings said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY7TQmTvSGI

donald said...

I can't open that link, but I know what it is. Heh.

Matthew Sablan said...

If there is a Katie Perry parody Twitter account, it needs to retweet with #metoo.

rwnutjob said...

Ellen has the double insulation from criticism by being female & lesbian. It's not allowed

Matthew Sablan said...

Katy. Katie.

MadisonMan said...

In the past, people who were friends -- I think Ellen and Katy are -- would send silly greetings via the USPS, and only they would see them.

Now, everyone can see them and be offended, or whatever.

#ProblemWithTwitter

rehajm said...

It seems like there's a friendship there but they're sending the wrong message. Not cool.

Bay Area Guy said...

Leftwing Hollywood: you can't grope or ogle our women - only we can grope or ogle our women!

roadgeek said...

If it weren't for double standards, I'd have no standards at all.

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Sebastian said...

Triple privilege: we are allowed to flaunt, leer, and laugh.

Women want what they want and want men to want only what they want.

Kevin said...

If a woman wants to fuck you, she will tell you.

rhhardin said...

It's not actually an interesting exposure. For interest in shown skin you have to get something accidental into it. A loose top or someting.

Unknown said...

Put those bad boys out there to be looked at, don't come crying when they are.

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rhhardin said...

Sarah Chang does it right, about 2 minutes in she hooks all the males into watching for further developments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpS_u5RvMpM

Ralph L said...

She demanded we watch her colors burst, so why not her dress, too?

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gspencer said...

Hillary made sure she got an eyefull as well,

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/801726/thumbs/o-HILLARY-CLINTON-CHRISTINA-AGUILERA-570.jpg?6

http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/wp-content/images/Hillary62.jpg

rhhardin said...

The pic does leave you wondering what Perry looks like without makeup. It's got to be completely unrecognizeable. Everything there is painted on.

Hunter said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPvjmhrfxak

HoodlumDoodlum said...

It's ok, though: when you're a celebrity they let you do it.

I just read that a second woman has accused HW Bush of inappropirate behavior! I read the first accuser's statement that she was "sexually assaulted," and that HW Bush told her a "dirty joke." Then I read that the sexual assault was touching her butt and the dirty joke was saying his favorite magician is David Cop-a-feel. Then I realized that even women don't believe their own bullshit and I'm getting tired of having to pretend like I do, too. THEN I decided that if this is the kind of bullshit you people actually want then I should do my part to help out, and that'll include enforcing the same sort of standards on all other behavior.

So, in that spirit: thank you for the post, Professor. Ellen should immediately apologize; there's no way she got Katy Perry's consent for that behavior ahead of time so that's blatant sexual harassment and proudly publicizing it just makes things worse.

Hey, didja hear about Mark Halperin?
Five Women Accuse Mark Halperin of Sexual Harassment

Those accusations sound a little bit worse than "telling a dirty joke" or briefly touching some woman's butt, but I suppose the important thing is to sufficiently muddy the waters. If I watched late night TV I bet I'd see a few jokes about ol' Poppy Bush.

Hunter said...

Let's take a closer look at those breasts.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Old Man Privilege, Female Privilege, Lesbian Privilege, Celebrity Privilege...we're gonna need a whole lotta checking!

A smart person would see this as a business opportunity. If any of you smart people want to suggest how I can makes some cash on this I will happily listen.

Laslo Spatula said...

So I looked up "katy perry eating a banana" on Google. You know: because.

There is her eating a suggestive Ice Cream Treat, but no banana.

But there are several articles about a musician associated with Taylor Swift eating a banana during a Katy Perry monologue at an Awards Show. One of such articleshere.

You can insinuate a lot with a banana.

I am Laslo.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

But! Do not forget: whatever a woman does is empowering.
Wearing a revealing dress is empowering.
Exaggeratedly staring at the semi-exposed breasts of a celebrity and then posting a picture of yourself doing that, for comic effect, is epowering.

BEING stared at is empowering...if the woman decides it is.
If she decides it's not then it's sexual harassment, in which case taking offense, understanding your status as a victim, and calling for justice from the PC mobs is empowering.

I bet Katy's got this one covered (so to speak).

Matthew Sablan said...

"Katy Perry is not objecting, but what can she do but keep smiling and show herself to be a good sport?"

-- Isn't the "she didn't object at the time" defense the same one that Taylor Swift shot down and that a bunch of women shot down when we have pictures of them smiling at apparently the very moment of or after being molested/harassed/whatever term you want to use?

AllenS said...

Ellen DeGeneret is on tv, so she can't actually grab her by the pussy, but you know damn good and well she'd like to.

Ignorance is Bliss said...
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Ignorance is Bliss said...

Mandatory Link:

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/09/lets-take-closer-look-at-those-breasts.html

holdfast said...

They are by far her best two features. I'd stare too, but I'd try to be a little less obvious.

John Tuffnell said...

It's a joke.

But that's not funny.

Ann Althouse said...

"Mandatory Link..."

Yes, I've been thinking about that too ever since the news about HW Bush ass-grabbing in the photo ops.

Where were Bill Clinton's hands?

John Tuffnell said...

Well, OK. It's pretty funny to me. But not to a humorless scold.

Titus said...

Katy Perry has amazing tits. Do you think she has had them enlarged?

tits.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Someone one Twitter called her "Ellen Degenerate" and I felt envy for not coming up with that first.
It'll probably be judged a homophobic slur in a few minutes, though, so for the record I didn't say that and I'll happily condemn (as "ugly") anyone who did/does.

Bruce Hayden said...

Isn't that Ellen's "wife" there too? Which puts her in a difficult position - Should she ogle too? Should she be jealous too? Or maybe even ask Katy if she is interested in most every guy's dream - three way lesbo action? Hetero orientation seems so much more straight forward - a guy ogling a woman's breast like that right in front of his wife is likely to get slapped by her, or worse.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Yes, I've been thinking about that too ever since the news about HW Bush ass-grabbing in the photo ops.

Damn; that was more than a decade ago now. What have I done with my life?!

Also--has anyone actually alleged "ass-grab?" I have seen the accusation characterized as a "grope" but from the primary source I've not seen grope nor grab--the one just says sexually assault and the other said "touched" as far as I can tell. I'm not willing to say touch = grab = grope, but I understand any (intentional, unwanted) touching = assault, so here we are.

gg6 said...

'Feminism' reeks with hypocrisy, what else is new.
Public posturing as a sexual pig is A-OK for a Liberal Lesbian - it's just a guffaw and so is Female on Female belittling. One can only imagine what will go on daily at DeG's new $19million 'home' in CA, but as with all these 'comedians', the joke is really on us.

Phil 3:14 said...

I am waiting for gay Hollywood harassment accusations.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Bruce Hayden said...Isn't that Ellen's "wife" there too? Which puts her in a difficult position - Should she ogle too?

It is: Portia de Rossi A very attractive woman, no doubt about that. Probably not as well endowed as Katy Perry, breast-wise, but as a male feminist I'd never actually comment on womens' bodies nor make comparisons between women, etc, so I'm sure I wouldn't know.
Rossi was terrific on Better Off Ted and on Arrested Development. Did you know she was in the movie Scream 2? I hadn't realized that until recently, but in fairness she was mostly in scenes with Rebecca Gayheart, a crush of adolescent Hoodlum's so the oversight should be understandable.

Bruce Hayden said...

"Someone one Twitter called her "Ellen Degenerate" and I felt envy for not coming up with that first.
It'll probably be judged a homophobic slur in a few minutes, though, so for the record I didn't say that and I'll happily condemn (as "ugly") anyone who did/does."

Nothing new there. That name has been around since she became famous. Around the house here, we have called her "Degenerate" for years. My partner has a fairly strict Catholic view of morality, combined with having been hit on by numerous lesbians over the years. Sometimes she comes across to me as almost as homophobic as a teen aged boy. Yet, every once in awhile, I will catch her watching Ellen's show.

Big Mike said...

Katy Perry clearly wants her breasts to be noticed and admired ...

You betcha! Did you see her mugging with Elmo on Sesame Street?

Laslo Spatula said...

There is a lesson in comedy to be found in Althouse's two photos.

Both function on the idea of large breasts being irresistible.

With Lewis the joke is him not looking where everyone can't help but look.

With Ellen the joke is her looking where everyone can't help but look, and exaggerating it.

Now pretend the women of attention in the two photos was showing her cock.

Would the size of the woman's cock factor into if it was funny or not?

You see my point.

I am Laslo.

Curious George said...

"Big Mike said...
Katy Perry clearly wants her breasts to be noticed and admired ...

You betcha! Did you see her mugging with Elmo on Sesame Street?"

Now I have. Noticed. Admired.

Ralph L said...

I'm guessing Ellen wears the cock in that family, so she probably wouldn't look at one on another woman.

Bruce Hayden said...

@Hoodlum - Portia is the one who really made "Better Off Ted" so great. Partner's brother loved her too there. Some of my favorite actresses have that same edge that I find so compelling, and it inevitably turns out that they are lesbians (or, in Portia's case, ultimately come out as such). My partner has it too, which is why we are approaching 20 years together, and maybe why so many lesbians find her so attractive.

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Kate said...

Marilyn Monroe -- MARILYN MONROE -- is pushing her breasts into Jerry Lewis' shoulder and he's trying to seem insouciant about it. And Dino -- DINO -- looks disapproving.

You know your society's doomed when your boob jokes get less funny.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Laslo Spatula said...With Lewis the joke is him not looking where everyone can't help but look.

Disagree. With Lewis I think the joke is that the proximity to Monroe/her body/her revealing outfit caused him to "faint" (in a stereotypically-womanly way) which prompted Monroe to catch him (in a stereotypically-masculine/chivalrous way)...which in effect means he tricked her into groping him (a comedic reversal). I think the picture implies he DID get a good look a few seconds before.

I am willing to examine the evidence in detail on this one. "Back and to the left" and what not.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Big Mike said...You betcha! Did you see her mugging with Elmo on Sesame Street?

Which time?

Katy Perry Sings With Elmo

SNL: Katy Perry Bronx Beat

Dust Bunny Queen said...

There is a solution to the "problem" of having men (or lesbians) ogle your breasts or other body parts.

Burkas!!

Just think of all the cats you could hide under that fabric.

You could also not go out in public unless protected by a male relative. That'll stop all the male female interactions!

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Ann Althouse said...
"Mandatory Link..."

Yes, I've been thinking about that too ever since the news about HW Bush ass-grabbing in the photo ops


You know what's funny, though? Read through some of the comments from those posts understanding that it's been 10 years but that in even that short time the Leftist pro-feminists attacking Althouse make all kinds of statements that Leftist feminists today would find "problematic" at best!

Here's an example:
Can't Look But Can't Look Away said...
Ann Althouse has a reputation as being a kindergarden level thinker, and this thread just proves why... and the majority of the commentators aren't much better either. Let's just look at the FACTS shall we?

2.) But... Putting the men behind the women is a tradition as old as photography itself. Because men on average tend to be TALLER than women. Do I even need to supply supporting evidence for this?


Whoa! Not only did that poster ASSUME THE GENDER of people in the picture, they also assert--as a self-evident fact!--that men are on average taller than women! That's the kind of sexist blasphemy that'll get you kicked out of a university teaching job, easy.
How far we've come, huh?

Bruce Hayden said...

"I'm guessing Ellen wears the cock in that family, so she probably wouldn't look at one on another woman."

That's where it gets interesting. On the one hand, Portia was Ellen's "kept woman" well before they got married. Story was that Ellen bought her horses, or some such, to keep her happy. But on the flip side, Ellen comes across to me as softly female, which is why so many women can find her so comfortable and non-threatening. But that "edge" I mentioned with Portia is almost masculine.

tcrosse said...

I miss Benny Hill.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

I'll just drop these here:

Christina Aguilera (on the Ellen show) - Hillary Clinton Stared At My Boobs

Photo: Hillary & Christina

Photo: Obama Appears To Ogle Butt of Girl as Sarkosy Smirks

Snopes: Picture of Obama Touching Melania's Butt at Inauguration Is Fake Whew!

Bruce Hayden said...

I am not sure that I would call it "female privilege" as much as "lesbian privilege". The problem here is that lesbians are at least two-fers- being "victimized" both for their sex and their sexual orientation. Add being a POC (person of color) and a lesbian can almost always get to speak first when speakers are progressively "stacked". Ellen is a very good comedian, and part of the comedic effect here is that she can get away with it, due to her lesbian privilege, when a straight guy, in the same position could not. These days, it isn't that she is leering that is funny, but that she can get away with it.

chickelit said...

Fascinating "double" standard.

Ralph L said...

Bruce, no one would watch Ellen if she acted as butch as her clothes. Rosie O'Donnell did the same thing on her show, after being a battle ax comedian.

J. Farmer said...

@Bruce Hayden:

I am not sure that I would call it "female privilege" as much as "lesbian privilege.

Oh, I disagree with that completely. There is a clear double standard on these matters when it comes to men versus women. Look at the difference in coverage between when a male teacher has sex with his female student versus when a female teacher does the same thing. Women are routinely permitted to act in a way that if the sex roles were reversed, the man would be called a chauvinist pig and a rapist.

Bill said...

Katy Perry clearly wants her breasts to be noticed and admired

Well, she's a singer of middling talent, so . . .

William said...

Last month it would have been mildly amusing. She didn't keep up with the times, and that rightly can be held as an impeachable offense for a trendsetter. It's behavior such as this that leads to leers on college campuses. As a trendsetter, she should know better.

Bruce Hayden said...

"These days, it isn't that she is leering that is funny, but that she can get away with it."

Let me add here that for some women, notably my almost homophobic partner, a lesbian ogling or leering at her tits is worse, probably far worse, than a guy doing it - because the leering suggests interest in homosexual sex with them. Of course, current progressive dogma would privilege the lesbian doing the leering over the straight woman whose tits are being ogled, thanks to their advanced degree of victim hood.

Bill said...

Here's a good example of a Katy Perry lyric:

Boom boom boom

Even brighter than the moon moon moon

JMS said...

RE "Katy Perry clearly wants her breasts to be noticed and admired — or at least she's decided to use them as devices to further her career" and the post a few days ago about Melania Trump looking "like a high priced call girl in her tight clothes."

I've observed most women in DC, NYC and Hollywood wear tight clothes and stiletto heels...similar to women's styles in the 40s and 50s. Megyn Kelly's outfits have been tight skirts and sweaters that look like they were sprayed on (no kidding). Her outfits could have come straight from Marilyn Monroe's closet. Two days ago Kelly switched her sweater for a more modest blouse and she continues to wear blouses. Now that sexual harassment is the cause célèbre on her talk show, perhaps she's decided she no longer wants to use her breasts to further her career. #femaleprivilege

chickelit said...

The "plaster casters" of yore now come equipped with scalpels. Celebrity males are most at risk.

Bruce Hayden said...

"Now that sexual harassment is the cause célèbre on her talk show, perhaps she's decided she no longer wants to use her breasts to further her career. #femaleprivilege"

Never thought of Kelly having that notable breasts. Rather, she seemed to fall into the stereotypical attorneyette class of smaller breastedness. Don't get me wrong - I have always found her very attractive. But she definitely doesn't have the DDs that I live with.

chickelit said...

Bill said...Well, she's a singer of middling talent, so . . .

I agree. She's ok to look at but I've never bought or linked to her work.

Amexpat said...

How is glaring at a women's breasts any different than glaring at a guy's pecs or biceps? People would joke and glare about Schwarzenegger's muscles during his body building and movie career. It was part of his show biz shtick. Same with Jayne Mansfield's breasts or any actress flaunting serious cleavage.

What Ellen did, in an comic exaggerated manner, was what anyone with an attraction to female breasts would do.

mockturtle said...

When you wear a dress cut down to your navel you might--just might--expect your boobs to be stared at.

William said...

Clark Gable's stardom was based on his ability to leer. He had one of the great leers of all time. Another reason to ban the showing of GWTW.

mockturtle said...

Bruce Hayden remarks: Let me add here that for some women, notably my almost homophobic partner, a lesbian ogling or leering at her tits is worse, probably far worse, than a guy doing it - because the leering suggests interest in homosexual sex with them. Of course, current progressive dogma would privilege the lesbian doing the leering over the straight woman whose tits are being ogled, thanks to their advanced degree of victim hood.

Makes me think of my middle-school gym teachers, both dykes, who ogled us during shower time. We considered it at least as creepy as if they had been men and maybe creepier.

mockturtle said...

Ellen was doing what comics have always done [at least before the purge].

Known Unknown said...

"we have called her "Degenerate" for year"

Ellen is harmless. Her show is fairly standard good clean fun kind of stuff.

Known Unknown said...

Some females were born with more privilege than others.

JAORE said...

It's a joke.

Lighten up Francis.

(Would that both teams would heed my sage advice.)

Bill Peschel said...

Damn, Known Unknown, that was my first thought and you just beat me to it.

Howard said...

Fake photo. Everyone knows about lesbian death bed. Ellen is likely mostly asexual and is clowning to make it look as if she still has an active libido. Sad

J. Farmer said...

@JAORE:

Lighten up Francis.

Any of you homos call me Francis, and I'll kill you.

Matt said...

"Ellen is clowning in a style that reminds me of Jerry Lewis, so I went looking for a photo of Jerry Lewis staring at a woman's breasts. I couldn't find one"

Because, at least at the time, just staring at a woman's breasts wasn't funny. Trying hard not to stare could be. Staring at something else but it seems like you're staring at a woman's breasts could be. Trying unsuccessfully to stare could be. Even this sort of humor - a la Benny Hill - was considered crass. Interesting how Ellen Degeneres single-handedly stripped all the humor out of the situation.

BarrySanders20 said...

Ellen is making fun of Katy's very obvious attempt to draw eyeballs to her chest. That and the balloons quip makes it funny. But if you have to explain it then is guess its the usual feminist joke punchline.

mockturtle said...

Having never watched Ellen's show, I don't know a lot about her but she comes across as a good-humored sort and not a femiNazi. I'm sure I'd like her in person.

Anonymous said...

She's quoting one of Katy Perry's songs: Birthday

"So let me get you in your birthday suit. It's time to bring out the big balloons."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYxyd1iSNk

n.n said...

Women have breasts, and the problem is what, exactly?

It's a naturally feminine feature. They have other feminine physical features, which apparently forces some males to transition.

Equal and complementary.

As for DeGeneres, the crude sexual innuendo is tantamount to, if not rape-rape, then rape.

n.n said...

re: Degeneres's crude sexual innuendo.

So, the male transgender/homosexuals were exposed on multiple occasions in diverse roles. The male chauvinist heterosexuals have been exposed. Now, it's time to expose the female transgender/homosexuals. The female chauvinist heterosexuals were revealed with a peculiar faith that places conception before choice, death before life.

Ralph L said...

Everyone knows about lesbian death bed

Lesbian bed death. The gay death bed has been largely delayed.

n.n said...

DeGeneres is clearly guilt of rape/sexual harassment, and there is evidence of not a little gender envy. This class of gender envy was on parade at the last Slut Walk and in this comedienne's gender-unaware crude jokes.

n.n said...

Perry's career hinges on talent and presentation. Why wouldn't she make reasonable use of both her innate abilities and feminine features?

DeGeneres is a dirty old female transgender/homosexual. Perry should avoid these old perverts.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Ellen is harmless. Her show is fairly standard good clean fun kind of stuff.

Unless you're Kristy Swanson playing giant Jenga...

Gordon said...

rh hardin wrote: "The pic does leave you wondering what Perry looks like without makeup. It's got to be completely unrecognizeable. Everything there is painted on."

Perry's momentary husband British doofus Russell Brand once posted a picture to Twitter of Perry. It was taken about six seconds after she woke up. His point seemed to be suggesting she looked good without makeup. In fact, she doesn't look awful, but there's a big difference between zero makeup in bad lighting and stage makeup with good lighting.

I suspect the picture was a key factor in the failure of the marriage.

Darrell said...

What men do when a woman invades their personal space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-QKAzmpEhk

Paul said...

Why is it women object to people looking at their knockers when they display them for all to see?

JaimeRoberto said...

All this sexual harassment talk has me missing Budapest. The ladies there dress to show of their assets, and they almost get mad if you don't notice.

Char Char Binks said...

""Someone one Twitter called her "Ellen Degenerate" and I felt envy for not coming up with that first."

Really? In order to come up with that first, you should have been born centuries ago. Ellen said she got called that starting in elementary school, and I'm sure the joke was around long before she was born.

Daniel Jackson said...

"You know your society's doomed when your boob jokes get less funny."

Yep. They sag. It happens with age and gravity.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

DIS-GUSTing!

Phil 3:14 said...

This explains it all.

Ken B said...

It's a power play. I can dress any way I want but you can only react the way I want. Anyone not a power tripper finds Ellen's mugging funny and moves on.

Bad Lieutenant said...

ADDED: You might think: Katy Perry is not objecting, but what can she do but keep smiling and show herself to be a good sport? She can't improvise, and she can't step on Ellen's effort at comic performance.



Not at all. Perry could have done a little shimmy and dazed ED, or put her eye out.