That's the basketball + Trump news. In football + Trump news, there's: "NFL Stars Erupt In Anger Over Donald Trump’s ‘Son Of A Bitch’ Speech":
During what was supposed to be a stump speech for Sen. Luther Strange (R-Ala.), Trump drifted away from campaigning to ask members of the crowd if they’d “love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now, he’s fired?’”Here's the video:
ADDED: On a fashion note, what's up with the peppermint candy necktie?
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Can you still see the smoke from those two buildings that the terrorists flew planes into?
Is that it, over there?
No, just a bunch of politicians, athletes and activists blowing their own smoke.
Have to move on in life, you know.
I've long thought the extra long ties, Ill fitting suits and exaggerated hair style were a ploy to look like a cartoon figure, like something out of a comic book. It was a way to attract attention from the masses. However I also thought he would gradually refine the image to a more conventional figure befitting the role he achieved. The candy cane tie seems a fuck you to those like me who thought he would ever embrace the expected.
Richard Dolan said...
"Extraordinary how easily Trump is turning the identity politics shtick on its head."
For two generations, the Democrats have been carving the electorate into identity blocs and playing all of them against the middle, counting on whites to continue playing that "middle" role while voting for the people who are out to destroy their lives and give their country away. Trump is the very first Republican to figure out that there is an obvious counter to that strategy. He won't be the last.
I would love to hear an owner tell one of the coddled sweeties their services were no linger needed.
I think that's the tie he wears when he moonlights as a nurse assistant on the weekends.
Even though I really like sports, I really have become entirely uninterested in watching sports. It's probably the LA experience with football that started me. Now it's complete. They're corporations, and I don't find watching financial news all that interesting either. Inviting players over to celebrate seems like inviting executives from any corporation that had outstanding profits. Though, those people I guess Trump just puts in his cabinet.
All this to say, I'm not sure why it was ever interesting to have pro sports teams over to the White house to help celebrate. It seemed like it was trying to gain ego-credibility: the debate captain finally gets to hang out with the homecoming king.
Could you people on the Right possibly get even more fucked up? You vote for a lunatic for president, then make excuses for him. You deplorables are a national joke.
"It's probably the LA experience with football that started me."
LA's sparse attendance already looks bad. It's really going to look bad if data shows that LA folks are skipping the two home teams so that they can fill the stadium in Las Vegas.
If someone cared about making money rather than giving out graft, they'd build a high speed train that goes from LA to Vegas.
Ed Driscoll on Instapundit says tomorrow will be fascinating.
I think he is on to something.
I suspect there will be a remarkable, unprecedented, and perhaps excessive display of the red white and blue, plus goodness knows what else.
I think Harry Truman used the term "son of a bitch" on occasion.
Can you imagine Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, or Barack Obama using a speech to call someone a vile name? I am not a fan of this "new presidential" behavior. It doesn't seem very presidential to me.
Libtards did their best to elect a woman who used a speech to call a quarter of the country a "basket of deplorables," so yeah.
Libtards: Do you want to lose Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin again? Because this is how you lose Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin again.
I have been noticing the people most in favor of protesting on field or feel Kap should be signed really don't watch football at all so all of this is cost free to them. They could care less of football kills itself. I am surprised the NFL is so stupid as to listen to them.
You got it, BL. Haven't been in Great Neck lately although was in Red Hook in Brooklyn. Speaking of which, one of the best foods in the region period I had was at the Red Pheasant in Cape Cod - specifically the Long Island Duckling. That's a dish you'll never forget.
Oh, we get such good duck out on LI. The place to go is in Aquebogue, IIRC. Ďi I don't live out there but my great-aunt and now her daughter have a place out in the North Fork so we go sometimes. (This year was bad. Kitchen reno cost most of the season, it was touch and go whether we'd be able to do Rosh Hashanah out there let alone Labor Day. Anyway, there we were this week, yay!
BTW the place I named is not fancy. If you tell me some points on your itinerary I'll reach out and find pointers for top flight place.
"Could you people on the Right possibly get even more fucked up?"
We could be you. :)
"I am surprised the NFL is so stupid as to listen to them."
Goodell seems to be a dope.
Peeps are going back in history. Can you imagine Babe Ruth calling FDR a "Bum" in public? Can you imagine Willie Mays calling Ike a "racist" and refusing the visit the White House? OR Micky mantle calling JFK a "nazi"?
Can you imagine Ted Musial telling Harry Truman how to conduct the Korean war? Or Jack Nicklaus calling Jimmy Carter - in public - a "racist cracker"?
These Millionaire athletes, who are just "entertainers" - need to be know what their proper place in society is. We don't want to know their political opinions - 'cause they don't know anything more than Joe Blow down the street.
Shut up, and sing.
Trump did and said exactly the right thing. Let the NFL nosedive in rating and revenue for another month of Sundays or two, It will pressure the NFL and ESPN suits to bring the upstart black nationalists to their knees.
The peppermint tie: it's a sartorial riff on the very dominant red & white behind him. A red tie would have disappeared in the color scheme and come off as amateur styling. Blue probably would have had other problems, including being ploddingly obvious. Peppermint is kind of an interesting choice that kind of works, especially in-person from the stage.
Per the NFL, my first impression is this was not very Presidential and a distraction.
Upon further pondering, the heck with it. People who take a knee for the national anthem are, at best, useful idiots and at worse un-American jackasses. The NFL treats its fans with disrespect by allowing this to continue. Call 'em out, Donald.
I tire of this game where we are supposed to be polite and tolerant of other opinions and then supposed to stand there and take it when we get treated like dirt. It may have taken three dozen unprovoked knees to the balls, but I do catch on eventually.
Can you imagine Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, or Barack Obama using a speech to call someone a vile name? I am not a fan of this "new presidential" behavior. It doesn't seem very presidential to me.
No, I couldn't imagine it. It's hard for me to imagine children hearing this. I'm with you on this.
Jim at: you have every right to go ballistic over some guys taking a knee during the SSB. I don't remember the right or Rush Limbaug talking about boycotting the NFL because of the thugs, wife beaters and rapists. You see the irony, don't you? Criminal behavior that often targets women... no need for boycott a few bad apples. Mild-mannered behavior exercising free speech that targets civil rights... the paleo right cheers when the President uses Bully Pulpit intimidation to try and shut people up.
Regarding Trump abandoning his two main campaign pledges, you are quite right, he has little influence over congress. He needs to please his base with inflammatory (macho, cruel, crude or racist) rhetoric because he doesn't have any real accomplishment since the travel ban. Trump is the King of Trolls and he working you all so good, your making excuses for him like a helicopter mother.
I noticed some Leftists on this thread playing by Alinski's rules.
?"Make the enemy [aka conservatives] to live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules."
That's why the liberal/leftists are commenting about Trump being "Presidential". Nobody but a dumbshit thinks the liberals would care about a Democrat President being "Presidential". These are the assholes who voted for Hillary, and defended Bill Clinton getting Lewinsky's in the Oval Office.
But now that Trump (R) is in office, they are all concerned about "decorum" - and "gosh, how can Trump be so crude as to talk about Professional Athletes"
But there's always some dumb "respectable Republican" who'll fall for their line of BS.
"Alabama, the heartland of American racism"
Stephen (you prick) I think you mean Boston or Portland.....
"No, I couldn't imagine it. It's hard for me to imagine children hearing this. I'm with you on this."
Fools always self identify.
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, coach Bud Grant became upset when he saw his Vikings during the national anthem. They were all standing, but were not all at attention, some seemed not to be listening, everyone had a different idea of what to do with the helmet.
Grant called a special practice so the players could learn to stand at attention for the anthem.
The Vikings never had that problem again during Grant's tenure.
How far we have come.
@jim Gust/
LOL. IIRC Bud Grant was a combat veteran paratrooper with the 101st Screaming Eagles ABN Div in WW II. Sort of explains it all, n'cest-ce pas? :)
Stephen is only 50 years behind the times.
Not bad for a Leftist Collectivist.
Stephen said...Trump goes to Alabama, the heartland of American racism and both models and encourages retaliation against black men exercising their right to speak out on matters of public concern.
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They can "speak out" when not on someone else's dime. You know..using words. Imagine!
The "Right" knows this required seperation all too well.
Howard,
I'll ask again. Are you protesting this injustice (and others) at your workplace? (assuming one)
The protests look like they will spread...
Trying to pin un-Presidential on Trump just does not not resonate.
Freedom of speech does some, but I think anti Americanism will over shadow it. Especially with the hypocrisy the left has shown. Support cops, can't do...
Racism has also been thrown at Trump on this. Not sticking.
Another commenter mentioned how this will/has triggered the MSM. This continues Trumps war with the MSM on culture and relevance. I did not see this at first.
..not just at your workplace..but in front of the customers.
Howard bleats: I don't remember the right or Rush Limbaug talking about boycotting the NFL because of the thugs, wife beaters and rapists.
If they did it on the field, in uniform, during the National Anthem they would.
Ray:
"Another commenter mentioned how this will/has triggered the MSM. This continues Trumps war with the MSM on culture and relevance. I did not see this at first."
Would you like a PURPLE ELEPHANT?
Howard believes it was exclusively Leftists who got upset at the Ray Rice video.
I can't remember..were there NFL "hands up" style gestures or kneeling for domestic violence?
Maybe Howard was doing something like that at work.
I can say I have never been to an NFL game. This Sunday, the streak will continue.
Trump should have said something presidential and uniting, like, "I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in the decision to kneel for the anthem, but I think it's fair to say, the NFL players acted stupidly."
Or maybe "the Black Lives Matter movement that these players support, some of the people from that movement have murdered police officers, and when I think of their families, I can only imagine what those parents are going through...you know, my own sons look like some of those murdered police officers."
Or he could have been real subtle like they do in middle school, and just said the players have the right to protest, but while scratching his nose with his middle finger extended. To preserve the dignity of the office.
Another option would be to find a friendly, allegedly comedic sycophant, and laugh heartily on tv while that person wishes for his political opponents to get cancer.
He could call for people to rise above politics, the way he has. That couldn't possibly come across as divisive.
Or he could make the simple, honest observation that a lot of the people in professional sports who disagree with him don't look like him and don't have names like his, and insinuate that they have no legitimate concerns and are opposed to him completely because of racism. That would bring us together as a nation - except for his opposition, but he could assert of the people who disagree with him that "that's not who we are as Americans", so we're all clear that the only people who can legitimately be called American are the people who agree with the president.
Now, I'm not happy with Trump's vulgarity, and I can empathize with those who see it as a new and troubling development. It must be very difficult to find out Donald Trump has been elected president at the same time as you come out of an eight and a half year long coma. For those of us who were awake at any point during the Obama presidency, though, it's easy to remember when a president was applauded for his "sick burns" by the same people now castigating Trump for being unpresidential.
I predict the kneeling will spread to almost all of the players tomorrow, but it will be a complete victory for Trump. Goodell made a huge mistake taking this bait, and his league is going to pay an increasingly steep price for it.
NotquiteunBuckley म्हणाले...
Titus is right. This NFL, which refused Limbaugh ownership because they claim and feel Limbaugh is a bigot, is all blue.
Wake up fools.
Let the players jump and run, Americans have concerns.
If you think America has problems yet expend emotion on a ball, fuck off.
And you wife beaters better
Watch more cause they got lessons for you.
१८/१/१५, ९:३६ म.उ.
Time to revoke the NFL's antitrust exemption.
It's gotten so tedious that it's time to double down.
Howard bleats: I don't remember the right or Rush Limbaug talking about boycotting the NFL because of the thugs, wife beaters and rapists.
That's a pretty racist comment and.he pretends to be on the players' side.
Could you people on the Right possibly get even more fucked up? You vote for a lunatic for president, then make excuses for him. You deplorables are a national joke.
Yes, and we should just get back to our beer and horse shoes and let people like you rule every aspect of our lives. What were we thinking?
white officer in Rahm Emmanuel's Chicago who was caught on tape shooting a fleeing man in the back multiple times. He was reloading when the other cops stopped him...
LOL...? Link please.
At least one baseball player [Oakland] knelt during the anthem yesterday. Since most players have to be at bat during the game, it would present the fans a great opportunity to boo the offending player*. It works both ways.
*Unlikely to happen in Oakland, though.
Bad Lieutenant,
I think there is truth in that story. But it's mixed with some crazy too.
"We don't want to know their political opinions - 'cause they don't know anything more than Joe Blow down the street.
"Shut up, and sing."
Does that include you, too, rcocean, AKA, "Joe Blow?"
Cookie, I don't think anyone is paying rcocean for working while he is posting.
I don't think anyone would object to Kaepernick picketing something on his own time.
These guys are millionaires in what is basically a form of entertainment. They are paid to perform.
These demonstrations are probably going to harm attendance and TV viewership. That has certainly happened to ESPN and at a time when "cable cutting" is already a threat,
Their grandstanding is diminishing the value of what they do for money. If the owner are OK with it, I don't care.
I mostly watch college football and have yet to see any protests there.
Cookie,
When we pay to watch rcocean, it will include him.
Is Robert Cook reporting that rcocean is a great singer?
rcocean said...
These Millionaire athletes, who are just "entertainers"
One might imagine that genetic freaks on steroids could be pretty entertaining, but they're not.
What is it about Leftist Collectivists that they think "shut up and sing" is about anything EXCEPT keeping your work separate from your politics?
Even a dog doesn't shit where it eats. Dogs > Democrats
Michael K:
My point is not whether the athletes should or should not be protesting at their job; my point is his contention that they should shut up because they know no more about politics than "Joe Blow down the street." Well...how does he know what the athletes know? How does he know what "Joe Blow down the street" knows? If he assumes "Joe Blow" knows squat about politics, does this include him? After all, who is rcocean but just another "Joe Blow down the street?"
As citizens in an allegedly self-governing society, we all are expected to inform ourselves about the issues of the day and come to our own conclusions as to how to address them. Otherwise, how can we govern ourselves? rcocean appears to be saying that American citizens are all a bunch of ignorant yokels who have no business discussing, speaking out or taking action to influence the policies that shape our society, (you know, "self-governance"). rcocean appears to be saying, about all "Joe Blows," Sit down, shut up, and do and consume as you're told!"
How about that? rcocean thinks Americans are all deplorables!
Cookie, as usual, you miss the point. If those players wanted to stand outside the stadium after the game and hold banners, I would have no objection.
They are using the sport, which pays them millions they could never earn any other way, to perform.
Football players are traditionally considered, especially by lefties like you, to be stupid.yokels.
"Exactly what 'message' are these black athletes providing to people like you that you would not get from reading multiple news reports?
"That's the problem with these 'protests' -- they are all about drawing attention to the kneeling players, and away from the racial injustices that they are purporting to highlight."
Perhaps they're trying to draw attention to a public issue that many or most of the public isn't very aware of or isn't taking seriously. Perhaps they're trying to inspire their audience to speak up against racial injustice and police profiling of and brutality against minorities. Why did the colonists who staged the Boston Tea Party go through with their action? Surely, all the colonists at the time were well aware of the issue of "taxation without representation," a spur to the event.
The athletes are not halting the games, not stopping the "entertainment" the audience expects. They're simply making quiet personal gestures to signal their stance on these issues. Why should anyone, particularly the President of the United States, become so exercised about the athletes' non-disruptive gestures?
They're simply making quiet personal gestures to signal their stance on these issues. Why should anyone, particularly the President of the United States, become so exercised about the athletes' non-disruptive gestures?
Cookie, these gestures are far from 'non-disruptive'. They are divisive and disrespectful to our flag and anthem. Have these players been discriminated against? Or have they reaped the benefit of a prosperous society that sees fit to treat professional athletes like royalty?
Nobody has to consider anybody ignorant, stupid, a yokel or anything else. But shitting where you eat and pissing off a majority of potential customers is bad business.
And, yes, it is a majority. Many Leftists are not potential fans of football. The limousine liberal would love to see football disappear, in fact. But only for more than 100 years.
Robert Cook confuses his position with the majority position of football fans.
Tell us about your communist NFL team, Robert Cook.
"Cookie, these gestures are far from 'non-disruptive'. They are divisive and disrespectful to our flag and anthem. Have these players been discriminated against?"
I don't know if any of these players have been discriminated against, but it's probable at least some of them have, and have had unpleasant or ugly encounters with the police in their years growing up in America. It's a certainty that people they know and love--friends and family--have been discriminated against and have also faced unpleasant or ugly encounters with the police. If our flag and our anthem mean anything at all, they mean that citizens have the right and the responsibility to speak up against that which they object to in our society. We all loooove to proclaim our precious (and it is precious, and fragile) right to freedom of speech, but we too often--from both sides of the political spectrum--are quick to object to speech we don't like or that "interrupts our entertainment,"or that is otherwise inappropriate in terms of content, time or place.
Well, when is the guarantee of freedom of speech more necessary than when it is unpopular? We prefer our freedom of speech trimmed, tightened, effectively neutered. We don't like it when it's too untidy, too "disrespectful."
If people are so upset by players kneeling or refusing to put their hand over their hearts during the playing of the National Anthem that they have lost their appetite for the game, they can turn it off. If they want their sports entertainment, they can ignore the protesters, who are doing nothing to prevent the game from being played. If the owners of the teams want to fire the players making these public protests, they can, (insofar as possible under the terms of their contracts with each player). However, then the owners of the teams will be killing their own golden gooses. How readily will they do that?
We prefer our freedom of speech trimmed, tightened, effectively neutered. We don't like it when it's too untidy, too "disrespectful."
--said the Leftists about "unpresidential" Donald Trump
Do you have a shred of introspection?
If the owners of the teams want to fire the players making these public protests, they can, (insofar as possible under the terms of their contracts with each player). However, then the owners of the teams will be killing their own golden gooses. How readily will they do that?
Cookie, they are killing the golden goose now by allowing [and even promoting] this behavior. I have loved football nearly all of my life but I won't be watching the NFL any more. I'll be watching baseball today and throughout the rest of the season, college football on Saturdays and looking forward to the Winter Olympics in February.
@Birkel at 11:29 AM:
Have I said or even suggested Trump's freedom of speech should be restricted? Criticism is not censorship. It does not restrict Donald Trump's speech to say his speech is "unpresidential."
It's actually to be applauded that Trump so little censors himself, as he makes clear to all what he stands for, which is consonant with what America stands for. Obama stood for the same things, as does Hillary, though Obama artfully fooled his supporters, as Hillary, less artfully, fooled hers, (which shows how much they want to be fooled). Trump, and Obama, and Hillary, and our ruling elites stand for American global hegemony, by whatever means necessary.
"Cookie, they are killing the golden goose now by allowing [and even promoting] this behavior. I have loved football nearly all of my life but I won't be watching the NFL any more. I'll be watching baseball today and throughout the rest of the season, college football on Saturdays and looking forward to the Winter Olympics in February."
As is your right, certainly. Boycotts are a valid instrument of protest against that with which one disagrees, and is used by those of all political persuasions.
"Perhaps they're trying to inspire their audience to speak up against racial injustice and police profiling of and brutality against minorities. "
I would have no problem if a group of players made a PSA and paid for it to be shown on TV about their opinions, especaily if they had some facts to support those opinions.
The objection is similar to the 1968 Olympic antics in which they used a public forum unrelated to their issue to protest.
They are using the other person's dime. Having been spoon fed since the age is 12, I doubt they understand that.
I mostly watch college football and have yet to see any protests there.
I think the college game will remain free of “kneelers,” mainly because the college players have their draft prospects to consider. Kneeling could cost them millions in a diminished standing in the NFL draft.
However, then the owners of the teams will be killing their own golden gooses. How readily will they do that?
It's conceivable that they will do it. Or the players will do it too their owners. I'm not convinced that NFL players are the best and the brightest. Colin Kaepernick, for example, strikes me as pretty dim, intellectually. Same with the loudmouth who plays for Seattle. Ultimately, the owners will wise up.
Driving home tonight from Oceanside, I switched from NPR to KFI; both mentioned the NFL kerfuffle. NPR, of course, interviewed two pro-kneelers. KFI ran a bit which noted the dismal ticket sales for Rams games. "Maybe it's the $50 beers and the post game muggings" -- Ya think? In any case, the entire NFL needs a price reset to make everything more affordable. A fan strike will help.
I think the college game will remain free of “kneelers,” mainly because the college players have their draft prospects to consider. Kneeling could cost them millions in a diminished standing in the NFL draft.
Yeah, getting drafted is a lot like getting tenure. It's a chance to give white America the finger. Until then, keep your head down. And once you do get drafted, keep your game up. People forget the Colin Kaepernick was sucking as a QB when he was let go.
Why is Robert Cook so fixated on rcocean?
Robert Cook has a hard time understanding pluralization. My comment said Leftists, of which you are but one.
Language is hard.
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