Said Trump, just now.
Here's the NYT story.
Mr. Trump made the surprise declaration in a series of posts on Twitter, saying he had come to the decision after consulting with generals and military experts, whom he did not name.
July 26, 2017
"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military."
"Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you."
Said Trump, just now.
Here's the NYT story.
Said Trump, just now.
Here's the NYT story.
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He could set up a separate unit for transgendered individuals in order to reduce disruption to the general population and monitor the effects of conversion on performance. That would be rational and reasonable, but Obama forced the monolithic solution.
Meet the LGBT Anarchist Fighting ISIS in Syria
(possibly NSFW for crude slur on signs in the picture...but the slur is being repurposed, so, you know, it's cool, it's cool.)
Inga defends her philosophical mate Chuck again.
Yawn.
"...on the record [singular]..." Sorry for that typo.
Jared's records -- plural -- are all over at the Hart Office Building being reviewed by Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
Glad to clear that up.
>>~ Ana Navarro
"Who cares what Ana Navarro thinks?" - Everybody in the entire world except Ana and Sunsong
"Grateful to Americans, including LGBT, willing to sacrifice & risk their life in military service- more than draft dodger Trump ever did."
~ Ana Navarro
-- Surely Navarro voted for McCain over Obama then.
"Quality people in uniform are what make our military the finest fighting force the world has ever seen. I continue to maintain that what matters in choosing those who serve is that they are best qualified. To choose service members on other grounds than military qualifications is social policy and has no place in our military. There are already transgender individuals who are serving capably and honorably. This action would also send the wrong signal to a younger generation thinking about military service."
~ Ash Carter
What pisses me off most about these counter tweets from people is that their argument isn't even a real argument.
They never made these points against Clinton or against Obama. They save their pseudo-patriotic jingoism when they can hit people they already dislike politically.
I never served in the Armed Forces, so I'm not personally offended by watching people selectively speak on their behalf, but it rankles me. Because these people like Navarro or whoever else we're quoting don't *actually* venerate military service, except when it serves their political ends.
Chucky McChuck Face,
Grant was Lincoln's general. Lincoln was Grant's President. Now you're not ignorant.
CS Stanley said...I'm more interested in trying to understand whether the sudden explosion of transgenderism is strictly cultural or if it has some basis in biology like endocrine disruptors.
I was reading in an Australian paper that Down Under, transgenderism has become quite trendy. It was described as the new black.
However, "better things for better living through chemistry" was bound to have repercussions, some quite serious. Why has the fertility rate dropped so precipitously?
On the alphabet soup scene, one of my best friends, a gay man, informs me that gay men generally can't stand lesbians. On the other hand, another of my best friends is a lesbian and the two get along just fine. Another gay friend loves "dressing up" (he wears gowns to formal events on gay cruises) but is in no way transexual. In fact, he considers himself all man. The world is a kaleidoscope. Which doesn't mean the military needs to reflect it.
"I'd much rather have a woman with a dick defending our country than the Ball less President we have running it !!!"
~ Tim Rerucha
If anyone is looking to field a tranny army and/or militia, now's your shot.
Unknown said...Why does Trump want to ban ALL transgender troops from serving? He could promote a policy in which any sexual assignment surgery would not be covered, IF the cost of medical care is an issue.
Such a policy would not survive a court challenge. Neither would a policy of allowing transgenders for some MOS but restricting them from others. Nice in theory, but some court would crush it.
You can't deny people "essential medical care." Try to imagine the line of Drs. willing to testify that gender reassignment surgery is essential. You can't deny people a "fair" chance at career advancement. Discrimination's bad, remember?
"Because these people like Navarro or whoever else we're quoting don't *actually* venerate military service, except when it serves their political ends."
Navarro is a republican...
"Jared's records -- plural -- are all over at the Hart Office Building being reviewed by Senate Select Committee on Intelligence."
But enough about your masturbatory fantasies.
Michael K said...
During the training session, we were told there are "thousands" of transexuals in the military at present. I'm sure there are some but this was pure extrapolation based on the usual inflated numbers all advocates use
RAND Corp., which helped the Defense Department study the issue, estimated there are 2,500 transgender service members currently on active duty and 1,500 in the reserves. https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/07/26/breaking-president-donald-trump-announces-military-transgender-policy
"thousands" is a stretch. Of course, once we're offering the pay for transitions with DOD funds, I'm sure the number will increase dramatically.
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Good.
This was a ridiculous policy to begin with.
Can't afford to cut your dick off? Just join the Army! We'll do it for you!
And we'll make everybody pretend that you're not what you really are!
What lefty fascist wouldn't cry over this policy's demise?
"Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs."
Trump ~ June 14, 2016
"Back when the candidate was trying to drive a wedge between LGBT folks and Muslims."
~ Maggie Haberman
Sunsong,
That Tim Rerucha quote just convinced me to join the cause of daffy idealism. Any cause will do. Do you guys have signs?
And? Navarro's comments, whether a Republican, Liberal or whatever are empty and pointless ad-hom claptrap.
Every poll should have the option, "I don't give a rat's ass".
(Mind you: I think that we could probably have people serve and it not be an issue. I actually think that this policy may not be correct, or perhaps, could be polished/made better. But, if the experts are telling me I'm wrong on this, I'm going to at least consider I might be wrong on this.)
"Please be advised" is a pretty common construction in military speech, except for the "please."
Matthew Sablan said...
"Grateful to Americans, including LGBT, willing to sacrifice & risk their life in military service- more than draft dodger Trump ever did."
~ Ana Navarro
-- Surely Navarro voted for McCain over Obama then.
Ana Navarro, who was the national Hispanic co-chair of Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign.
Matthew I make it a practice to treat your comments with respect, however much we disagree.
I have to say I don't understand your comment above. OF COURSE Ana Navarro voted for McCain over Obama. She was a senior staffer on the McCain campaign. The Latino Affairs adviser or something like that.
Maybe I just didn't get your meaning. Sorry if this is my mistake.
Obama's incentive to force medical, surgical, and psychological corruption, is second only to female chauvinists, Planned Parenthood, and humanitarian pornographers to debase human life... and [class] diversitists to deny individual dignity.
Fuck the Left! Feed 'em to zoo animals, if they don't spit them up.
--Obi Wan Gandhi
The point is that the tweet is nonsensical, and when placed with all the other "women with dicks > president no balls" type tweets, it is just further empty hot air.
There are ways to say you dislike or like the policy without it having to be a constant "TRUMP SUCKS!" screed.
Navarro is the kind of republican the lefties like: one who voted for Hillary.
Yes. Let's all listen to her.
"Because these people like Navarro or whoever else we're quoting don't *actually* venerate military service, except when it serves their political ends."
Navarro is a republican...
Lifelong? Or the other kind?
You can't be ready to deploy if you're recovering for a year and a half or two from having your bizness hacked apart. At taxpayer expense.
It's a readiness thing.
LilyBart, I wondered about that math as well.
It's less than 0.3% of the military, assuming estimates in favor of lots of transsexuals.
As with the 2016 presidential election polls, I wonder: how do these numbers get compiled? Who answers the phone and says, "Hello? Yes, I'm a corporal in the Army. Yes, I am in fact a transsexual."...? It's not like there's a check-box on your enlistment form that says "Transexual? Y/N". You're not gonna answer that one the wrong way.
The real numbers could be a lot higher or a lot lower than we think. I suspect lower. But it's RAND. Really Answer Number Democrats.
I would place goal directed discipline foremost for the military and support that with all due efforts to be congruent with that.
Distractions can be lethal and must be eschewed if society has any consideration for those serving.
There is no "civil right" to be in the military. The purpose of the military is to defend the country and the society; politically correct niceties are a sure recipe for failure in self-defense. To quote Rush Limbaugh, the purpose of the military is to kill people and break things, and we pervert the purpose of the military by diverting it to other SJW distractions.
Drago said...
"Navarro is the kind of republican the lefties like: one who voted for Hillary."
A "republican" who voted for Hillary is a Democrat. Just like Colin Powell. He was a democrat who, to paraphrase Dick Cheney, "left the Republican Party a long time ago".
Barack "I'm good at killing" Obama disapproves of this decision, no doubt.
Oh who knows. Obama wasn't down with ending DADT until the money from the gays dried up and there was talk of them sitting out 2012. Then he became "evolving" and after the election he paid them off like any other group of supporters.
For all we know, he told the military to allow transsexuals to serve because he was on his way out, wouldn't have to deal with it, and was tired of hearing about it from the LGBTQ leaders every time they stopped by the White House.
"What the hell", he may have said to himself. "We already got women in combat. Throw the trans people in there too and let Hillary sort it out."
For all we know, he really thinks this is the right policy. And for all we know, that's what he'll be thinking as he roundly denounces it in a bid to keep his political party intact.
Hillary is trying to peddle a new book. I suggest "Hillary Clinton Will Never Be President of the United States" for a title.
Unknowninga said...
Why does Trump want to ban ALL transgender troops from serving? He could promote a policy in which any sexual assignment surgery would not be covered, IF the cost of medical care is an issue.
7/26/17, 10:53 AM
There it is. Trump did it again. Conversation will lead to trans ok IF the surgery is completed, and applicant has been leading "new" life for certain amount of time. If crazy Inga fell for it, imagine how easily the normal zealots will pick up the cry. Possibly by the end of the day.
BTW, is there an age limit for enlisting?
Don't you wish there was a trap door under Sunsong.
"My Generals and military experts..."?
The precedent for using "My" was set during the previous administration. I find it offputting as well, but don't pretend that it is Trump specific. OTOH, as CIC the chain of command does lend the president a certain right to the descriptor. Perhaps I should have been a bit more generous when Obama used it. On second thought, Naaah.
Don't you wish there was a trap door under Sunsong.
Yes.
--70% of All Americans
(Mind you, I may be over reacting a bit due to the massive amount of tweetsponses posted that, yes, my generalization doesn't apply to each and every one.)
So the source of a lot of this push to normalize transgenders in the military is Jennifer Pritzker. Jennifer used to be a man, and that man used to be Lt. Colonel.
Jennifer is also extremely rich and has spent tens of millions of her own money to push transgender issues, especially as it relates to the military.
The Pritzkers were also big backers of Obama - Dems generally, but especially Obama. One of Jennifer's cousins was in Obama's cabinet.
Just in case you were wondering why transgender rights went from a non-issue to the most important thing in the world in nothing flat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Pritzker
After reading the tweet, reading between the lines, Trump seems to be saying the change comes from, is pushed by, the military. Not Trump.
Trans is similar to a disqualifying medical condition, so Trump made the right call to stop the madness. However, the women in the service wearing utilities look like cross-dressers, so apparently that preversion is still OK.
Any idea what gender reassignment medical procedures and therapy costs? How about suicide rates?
And by the way, how about aids medicines (last time I checked about 25% of male homosexuals have aids)?
How much of the military budget do you think should be allocated to medical treatment of people who make themselves vulnerable because of life style choices?
""Back when the candidate was trying to drive a wedge between LGBT folks and Muslims.""
Oh, the absurd futility of that strategy! Everyone knows Gays and Muslims are like two peas in a pod.
Complaining generals are nothing new.
Or for that matter grumbling soldiers.
The two earliest accounts that we have, by general officers, out of their own pens, of their views of recent events, are those of the Athenian mercenary Xenophon and the Athenian admiral Thucydides. These are nearly 2500 years old. BTW, these works should be standard parts of a Liberal Arts curriculum; failing Thucydides own account, a fine modern substitute with "the rest of the story" is Donald Kagan's "Pelopponesian War".
As for grumbling soldiers, the earliest true-to-life example is the Iliad. One of its interesting aspects is that most of it, under the surface of mythology, is a realistic, gritty and believably human story. The bards that invoked the Goddess to inspire them, sung of things that their audiences of noble warriors were used to living with and dealing with.
Jesus! How you Big Strong American Men are so intimidated and threatened by a the widdle tiny girl with the sweet name of Sunsong.
Howard, the "Audie Murphy" of Althouse is very disappointed with the local "blogatariat"....again.
Probably shell shock from his years in actual combat.
Don't you wish there was a trap door under Howard?
"Jesus! How you Big Strong American Men'
I am not American. The problem here is human, not national.
The problem here is that persons like yourself, Howard, are not here to engage, simply to infuriate. Some of us, myself for instance, are people who want to explore a point. We are obsessively dedicated to resolving issues, to fixing problems. You tease, you open a point, but do not engage. Hence you infuriate, you remove the possibility of resolving a problem, in the midst of a nest of problem-solvers.
This is a cruel, evil act, you are an evil man.
I would love to see the mooch selling this.
I'm ok with LGB, but I object to T.
T is bullshit, though. A pure choice - and a bad choice (in my opinion).
When I was in the Navy in the dark ages (no gays, no women on ships) bedwetters and sleepwalkers were booted too.
Not a big deal.
I would love to see the mooch selling this.
Mooche. "Mooch" is Michelle Obama. Permanently taken.
but I don't see why you'd eliminate transgender people from every military job
....and who would make that judgment??
Then it just becomes a point for law-fare, and I shop for a judge that will agree with my agenda. The military saves a lot of money by doing away with the entire problem.
Thanks for the tip.
sunsong said...
"Quality people in uniform are what make our military the finest fighting force the world has ever seen. I continue to maintain that what matters in choosing those who serve is that they are best qualified. To choose service members on other grounds than military qualifications is social policy and has no place in our military. There are already transgender individuals who are serving capably and honorably. This action would also send the wrong signal to a younger generation thinking about military service."
~ Ash Carter
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are here in good faith. For now.
1. Why are you quoting a bunch of people that want the army to lose and never served in the Armed Forces?
2. What is the mission of the US Armed Forces? In your words.
Mike said...
"It is an indisputable fact that Obama's VA fast-tracked surgery for Chelsea but let our veterans die on waiting list and committed fraud to cover it up...."
Only Some Lives Matter to liberals. Not yours. Not mine. Not the lives of average veterans who are not confused about their gender.
Harrogate et al
Like Obama he's serving now.
Having been trained as a low paid killer at Ft. Polk in 1969 (MOS 11 Hotel Direct Fire Gunner] where I was paid the princely sum of $105 per month, I would prefer to have nothing but savage fire eaters in my squad. I wouldn't want anybody confused about who they are or what they are. They have one job--killing--and in some years business is good.
People who are confused (and I had a few around me at the time) tend to let their minds wander from business. And when that happens in a war zone, that person's inattention could get you killed. And I sure wanted my Momma's oldest son to come home in one piece.
Sunsong, honestly, why should any of us care one bit about what Mrs. Betty somebody or any of the other people you quoted think? Nobody does.
Like Achilles said, what do you think is the purpose of the military? I think it exists to defend our country and kill our enemies. And nobody has the automatic "right" to join.
"I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are here in good faith. For now."
Who the hell do you think you are, the "good faith" police?
""Back when the candidate was trying to drive a wedge between LGBT folks and Muslims.""
You'd think gays getting shot up at nightclubs and tossed from roofs would have created a bit of distance. But I guess not.
Open up a bathhouse next door to a mosque and tell me how well that works out for you.
Howard said...
However, the women in the service wearing utilities look like cross-dressers, so apparently that preversion is still OK.
7/26/17, 11:46 AM
What would you have them wear? Sundresses?
Moron.
Yes, I am the "good faith police".
Your papers, please.
Who the hell do you think you are, the "good faith" police?
7/26/17, 12:21 PM
Achilles is trying to be polite to sunsong.
We already know UnknownInga is not here in good faith and so see no need to be polite when you spout the usual stupidities.
One issue which is not easily forgotten by those who have served is that whichever marginalized group is the Flavor of The Day can demand and get special treatment and escape discipline for infractions by claiming discrimination.
It is illegal to make oneself unfit for military service. An occasional redhead taking too much time on Myrtle Beach on Memorial Day and getting sunburned in a way he's not familiar with, having grown up in, say, Seattle has committed a military offense.
OTOH, a woman who gets pregnant before deployment and requires a replacement in her unit is not sanctioned.
Picturing trans people in this position is easy enough. Let a trans get caught stealing from a comrade's wall locker and the SJW attorneys will be all over the case.
Drago, the Chuck Yeager of Althouse, is not here to engage, simply to infuriate. Obviously his brave, narrow escape from the clap at Kaiserslautern troubles him today. You are a cruel, evil man.
sunsong said...
"The WEAKEST most COWARDLY "@POTUS" in history just prevented some of THE BRAVEST among us from serving."
Why are trannies THE BRAVEST? Coming out as a trannie now requires no courage. They are applauded and lionized by liberals. They are not brave. They are confused and sad people.
Sundresses would be better as the utilities make their asses look fat, but methinks a little tailoring might be in order like the Alpha Bravo and Charlie uniforms.
Unknown said...
"I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are here in good faith. For now."
Who the hell do you think you are, the "good faith" police?
Sunsong has earned some honor by being able to act in a intellectually honest way on some topics. Mostly she is able to actually condemn the pervasive leftist violence honestly.
You can't do that. You actively defended the Scalise shooting for example. Like the thousands of leftists that said Scalise deserved to get shot because he supports the 2nd amendment.
You are not here in good faith. That has long been obvious.
Lifelong? Or the other kind?
I'd say Ana Navarro is the female version of David Frum. Does that answer your question?
I will add though, that Sunsong is in fact quoting actual relevant people now. Ash Carter used to be the Secretary of Defense.
I guess I missed all of the good faith trashing of John McCain last night.
"You can't do that. You actively defended the Scalise shooting for example. Like the thousands of leftists that said Scalise deserved to get shot because he supports the 2nd amendment."
Delusional.
exile: I do like the idea of a bathhouse next to the mosk. Better yet, Satriale's.
I don't get it, I really don't. For those who support transgendered anything, let me ask this simple question: Why do you hate women?
See, the transgendered issue has evolved to the point that if you support transgendered anything, you necessarily also support the destruction of the right to privacy for women.
Recall that the military just issued rules explicitly ordering women to share their showers and barracks with any male claiming they were "transgendered." And any woman who complains was disciplined. And who can claim to be transgendered? It's just a simple form; where you check the box and boom: suddenly you get to shower with the girls, sleep in the barracks with them, and are subject to their physical fitness requirements (I.E. not hard at all for a guy). And if that cute 2nd Lieutenant doesn't want you drooling over her boobs in the shower, well, she'll be punished if she complains.
Why do you leftists defend this? I thought you were pro-women! Now you openly call bigoted anyone who thinks women should be able to shower without a male in the shower with them. It's "bigoted" to defend the right of privacy for women? Really?
I really hope that you, sunsong, go around loud and proud about how women must be forced to shower and share their barracks and sleeping quarters with males or be severely punished by the law. That's a really great strategy, so please, keep beating the drum about how bigoted women are who don't want random males in their most private places.
Yes, please keep beating that "You are bigoted if you don't let any guy into your showers!" drum, leftists. Make it your big issue to force women to lose all their privacy. Think those soccer moms who vote Democrat will be happy when their daughter comes home saying the principal suspended her for refusing to shower with a guy? Or that she was forced to sleep in the same room as a boy on that overnight cheerleading competition trip?
Yeah, keep pushing this. Please. And watch your votes shrink to 15% of the population.
--Vance
Ya gotta admit, it would take brass balls to volunteer to have your dick cut off.
Howard @ 12:30: I'm still laughing!
Sunsong has earned some honor by being able to act in a intellectually honest way on some topics. Mostly she is able to actually condemn the pervasive leftist violence honestly.
Hear! Hear! And she did it by expressing her own viewpoint, rather than endlessly repeating other people's Tweets.
To be fair, there probably weren't a lot of people she follows Tweeting against the violence but my commendation of her still stands!
Howard: "Ya gotta admit, it would take brass balls to volunteer to have your dick cut off."
If for no other reason than to decrease the clanking sounds as you moved around!
Ya gotta admit, it would take brass balls to volunteer to have your dick cut off.
Not if you've spent years convincing yourself it's nothing more than a tumor to be excised. You'd want the cancer out of your body.
Bay Area Guy said...
I'm ok with LGB, but I object to T."
Why L though? Lesbians are gay so LG is redundant. So is the Q in LGBQT.
It's like someone came up with LGBQT because they were trying to get a triple word score in Scrabble.
100% of the military I'm currently in contact with, family and friends, including me, along with their spouses, all think Trump is doing the right thing here.
There are already transgender individuals who are serving capably and honorably.
Not openly. They may want to sashay around in the other sex's outfit after hours.
This is another SJW bullshit idea that the military dreaded having to deal with. I can almost hear the sigh of relief out here.
Mattis also seems to want to get rid of more bullshit "training" that has nothing to do with war.
Who the **** is Rachel Murphy Azzara, and why the **** should I care?
You should care because she uses three names. Obviously, the more names a person uses, the more important they are.
--George R. R. Martin
n.n: Since when is being gay, lesbian, or bisexual a gender issue? Gender is whether you identify as male or female (or perhaps neuter or something else). Gay, lesbian, and bisexual are questions of who you desire. Identifying as male and desiring males are not incompatible; if they were, there would be no such thing as homosexuality, because a desiring men would make you "not a man" and desiring women would make you "not a woman." The idea that, for example, desiring men makes you "not a man" is really, really retro.
The Pentagon spends 5 times more on Viagra than on transgender services.
Although President Donald Trump cited high costs associated with transgender service members in his rationale for barring them for military service, the Pentagon spends nearly five times more on Viagra than it does on providing medical services for transgender troops.
A 2016 study by the Rand Corporation found the maximum annual medical costs for transgender services would be around $8.4 million. By comparison, the military spent $84 million on erectile dysfunction medications Viagra and Cialis in 2014, the Military Times reported.
"The money is negligible," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs who is transgender, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "You're talking about .000001% of the military budget."
This will be quite a hit in red-meat America, not so much in blue city America.
almost 300 comments and no one has taken the trollololo bait yet.
Good job everybody!
Sounds like the Rand Corporation is a steaming pile of lyin' shit, now. Wait. They always had a hard-left side and a military/industrial side. You have to do business with Democrats, you know.
Let me repeat - the military is not a social experiment.
Kristen Beck on Trump transgender ban in mi.itary: "Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy."
"A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving."
So Inga is now supporting a threat against the President. Sad.
The quotes are hilarious. Has someone done Patton yet?
Thanks, Inga. I wasn't aware that Business Inside was such a worthless left-wing rag. I'll block it now.
Skirt-wearing bastards.
-George S. Patton
Business Insider, too.
Gee Kristen didn't transition until AFTER service. Weird. Almost like it might have been an issue getting treatments and procedures during deployments....
A SEAL? Wtf!
--George S. Patton
"I really hope that you, sunsong, go around loud and proud about how women must be forced to shower and share their barracks and sleeping quarters with males or be severely punished by the law. "
Thinking historically, having separate bathroom facilities in the military is a difficult issue. Traditionally the division of facilities was by rank, at minimum a set (of quarters/facilities) for officers and one for enlisted men.
When and where things actually matter, in the field, on campaign and in the face of an enemy, it is difficult and not worth the effort to maintain the officer/enlisted distinction. Adding a female/male distinction is much worse. There are far more important things for the troops and especially their leaders to worry about.
I'll visit you in recovery after your surgery,
--George S. Patton
"A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving."
Proving again that "women" are as strong as men. Reset those physical fitness standards now!!!
What kind of moron spends time parsing the military spending on viagra? How would you even go about verifying those ridiculous "statistics?"
"Although President Donald Trump cited high costs associated with transgender service members in his rationale for barring them for military service, the Pentagon spends nearly five times more on Viagra than it does on providing medical services for transgender troops."
Uh...cool? Nicely illustrates the limitations of cut and paste discourse.
"Proving again that "women" are as strong as men. Reset those physical fitness standards now!!!"
That "SEAL" I'm sure did his tranny stuff AFTER service.
I'm sure there are others on active duty who do NOT shower with the women.
So Kristen Beck transitioned to a drama queen?
"Gee Kristen didn't transition until AFTER service. Weird. Almost like it might have been an issue getting treatments and procedures during deployments...."
Gee it's like transsexuals MUST get their surgery during their deployment, or their service. Gee, its like they aren't transsexuals until they transition! Gee how many transsexuals are now serving honorably and we don't even know they are transsexual... yet. Gee it's like we are going to discriminate against a group of Americans serving their country, because a lunatic President needs to distract away from his incompetency and the Russia investigation.
I believe, and said before, all Right-wing bigots should be neutered to lessen their danger to society, and to stop their spraying of foul-smelling urine on other peoples property. If neutering doesn't stop their offensiveness and intolerance, then we should move to full castration. A world full of dickless Right-wingers is what we, as a peaceful and tolerant society, urgently need.
How can they be discriminated against if it isn't known that they're trannies? Gee, it's like the military is full of freakin' Kreskins or something.
"A world full of dickless Right-wingers is what we, as a peaceful and tolerant society, urgently need."
I'm sure you could get all your islamist pals to do it for you...when they are thru tossing gays off roofs or burning them alive or burying them neck deep for stoning.
"How can they be discriminated against if it isn't known that they're trannies? Gee, it's like the military is full of freakin' Kreskins or something."
They are allowed at this time to openly identify as transsexual. Not so if Trump has his way. Why should they be discharged from the military if they are currently serving as an open transsexual?
"Washington (CNN)The Pentagon said Thursday it was ending the ban on transgender people being able to serve openly in the U.S. military.
The announcement -- which removes one of the last barriers to military service by any individual -- was made by Defense Secretary Ash Carter, who had been studying the issue for almost a year.
The decision comes as the military has witnessed major changes in the role of women and the inclusion of gays, lesbians and bisexual service members in recent years.
It drew some criticism from Republicans and conservatives, including Rep. Mac Thornberry, Republican chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, who charged the White House was "prioritizing politics over policy."
Carter said the ending of the ban takes effect immediately and that no longer could a transgender person be discharged on that basis."
"I believe, and said before, all Right-wing bigots should be neutered to lessen their danger to society, and to stop their spraying of foul-smelling urine on other peoples property. If neutering doesn't stop their offensiveness and intolerance, then we should move to full castration."
Right after you feed your eleven cats.
"At the upper end of the estimates, there are as many as 11,000 transgender active duty service members and reservists who will be affected by the decision, according to a RAND Corporation study cited by the Pentagon.
Carter noted the Pentagon received input from transgender service members and experts and medical professionals outside the department. He also said at least 18 other countries allow transgender members to serve openly."
"Right after you feed your eleven cats."
Sorry I have no cats, I'm allergic. No cats may serve in my home, unless they shave off their fur and pretend to be dogs.
I love Trumpit's blurts of incontinent rage. A sure indicator of Leftist impotence.
Ash Carter is a God who strides the globe like a Colossus amongst pygmies.
How dare any person challenge the decisions he made.
After all, he spent over a year studying the issue.
Like, really heavy duty studying man!!
1. Trump is probably not telling the truth when he says this was done in consultation with the military. Mattis had a brief to study the issue and make a recommendation by December. Trump short circuited that process. BAD!
2. Trump presents this as an issue of medical costs. Not too plausible when the Pentagon's projected costs for viagra are 10X higher than those for transitioning transgender troops. PRETEXTUAL!
3. Normatively, the decision is a classic case of discrimination. It will require the discharge of some 4,000 current personnel who are apparently serving effectively, and will bar future service by others who could have served effectively. Virtually all of the Western democratic countries with similar basic values allow transgender persons to serve--including Great Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Germany, Israel, Norway, The Netherlands, France and Spain. TRANSPHOBIC!
4. The White House followed the tweet by telling a reporter that the real value of the decision is in creating a wedge issue which Republicans can use against Democrats in purple states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. CYNICAL!
Yet 93% of the commentariat thinks the decision is just fine. SAD!
Can we all admit that this issue, and the "transgender issue" generally, are pretty close to entirely unimportant?
This is the most controversy-pushing topic I can remember, in my life.
I'm not that old. Gay issues, or questions of homosexual rights, tolerance, acceptance, etc, have been around for a while. There were some intense culture-war flare ups when gay marriage laws were a contested issue...but other than that it's been a relatively quiet topic. I mean, in real life as opposed to the Media, but even there the consensus that gay = great and anyone who opposed the belief that gay = great was an unwelcome bigot was formed so quickly and adhered to so stringently that most people just moved on (.org) in their daily lives and accepted the Media's take.
But with gay issues at least there was a long build up-speeches, marches, quilts, etc. Where was any of that for transgender issues? 5 years ago transgender-ism wasn't a mainstream concern at all. Today "what about transgender" is apparently a question we're required to consider when discussing any damn issue at all--from locker room signs to qualifications for military service.
We're talking, seriously, about less than 1% of the population here, right? And even there we're not talking about any fundamental rights, are we? Transgender people can vote, can marry each other, whatever, right?
I'd really just like to say: I don't care. This all seems like a phony issue. It's phony to push transgender issues as though there's some crisis, and it's phony to pretend like transgender issues ought to occupy so much of our time.
The President says he's directing the military to adopt a standard. The standard is to exclude transgender people. Boo-hoo, some transgender people won't be allowed to serve, I guess. I don't really care. You shouldn't really care. The Left just got done telling you that our military is terrible, is full of hateful murderers, is a force for evil in the world (doing the bidding of sexist racist homophobic white men, stealing from the 3rd world to enrich themselves, etc) and now, in their next breath, is telling you that it's an injustice if transgender people aren't allowed to join that same military.
It's fake, man. If you hate Trump it's doubly fake--he's getting you to respond to this phony issue by taking a phony-strong stance on something that has a tiny, tiny possible impact on anything real.
Some people say there's no "Media." If there's not, how did we get to a place where suddenly transgender issues are of national import?
"No cats may serve in my home, unless they shave off their fur and pretend to be dogs."
You may want to change your sock back to "Trumpit" before you reply, UnknownInga.
New studyfinds transgender people twice as likely to serve in the military.
"A new study shows that twenty percent of transgender people have served in the military, which is double the percentage of the U.S. general population that has served. The Task Force is calling upon the U.S. Defense Department to end discrimination based on gender identity in the armed forces.
“The Defense Department must allow transgender people to serve openly,” said Darlene Nipper, deputy executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. “It’s wrong that these brave men and women — who sacrifice so much through their service to our nation — should have to fight for their rights both as active military and then as veterans.”"
You know, they won't let you join up if you have a history of severe depression. They won't let a woman join who has very abnormal periods. They won't let a person with highly stable blood sugar abnormalities join. They won't let persons on medication for attention deficit disorder join. If you sleepwalk after 13 you are disqualified from enlistment.
Many asthmatics are barred. Almost all forms of mental disorders are barred including mood/adjustment disorders. You can't even join with unfilled cavities or braces. Severe rashes or allergies will disqualify a person from enlistment. Most endocrine disorders are barred.
The idea that a person with gender dysphoria severe enough to require psychiatric treatment, hormone treatment and/or surgery should be in the military was always totally in opposition to other medical standards. Trump made the sane move - the only sane move. People who are transitioning genders in some form (whether just through hormones or through that and surgery) have a range of medical issues requiring pretty good access to highly qualified care that may be acutely worsened by high-stress environments.
Does ANYONE not see the contradiction in the idea that Manning could not get proper treatment in prison, but would have no problem obtaining that same care in a war theater? That's bizarre. Just bizarre. The hormonal treatment alone has all sorts of side effects, and being in a high-stress situation can acutely exacerbate those side effects.
Why are you using the word transexual, Inga. Isn't the correctspeak transgender?
So if I'm to understand you correctly then, the military, before last year, was already allowing it's members to pick which sex it ate, slept and showered with and didn't base it off of medical records? Is this really what you're saying? Or did 10K trans people up and join the military last year?
You may want to change your sock back to "Trumpit" before you reply, UnknownInga.
Hahahaha
Nope, I'm not Trumpit, but I do like his comments. I thought you were speaking to me, as several commenters seem to think I own several cats.
Check the Blogger ID dummies.
Sorry to bust you, UnknownIngaTrumpit. The Blogger ID dodge doesn't hold water -- and you know it. Better luck next time!
Sure OK, I'm Trumpit.
Sorry Trumpit, no matter what I say they will be convinced I'm you.
Fabi,
Why do you never have anything intelligent to say about the subject matter of the blogpost, but consistently drop turds in the comments section that deal only with other commenters? Are you here only to interact with Leftists?
"...he had come to the decision after consulting with generals and military experts, whom he did not name." NYT and other mediaswine do not name their sources, why should Trump?
He and Mattis are focusing on a combat ready rather than a sensitivity trained military. Seems like a good idea. It might have been more interesting if he had simply ordered that all members of the armed forces would be deemed to be the gender they were born with - no special treatment.
Blogger Unknown said...
Kristen Beck on Trump transgender ban in mi.itary: "Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy."
"A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving."
I would rather hear from other 6 team members.
While they are at it ask current/former 6 team members what they think of Ash Carter and Obama. If there are 100 in a room 99 would sign up for a raffle to get to be the one to pull the rope.
It is easy to tell on this thread who wants the military to be successful and who wants it to fail.
" the belief that gay = great was an unwelcome bigot was formed so quickly and adhered to so stringently that most people just moved on (.org) in their daily lives and accepted the Media's take."
This is a poor way to view the issue. That this is not a mass-media phenomenon does not mean it does not have widespread private resonance. In fact I do not think its been accepted, lacked negative personal effects or, especially, is not implicated in demographic phenomena.
In particular, this almost certainly matters with respect to the collapsing rate of family formation and birthrates. It is a social meme that excuses or devalues personal obligations, duties to the family, and enshrines short-term, selfish motives. If gays can get away with abandoning their obligations, so can everyone else, in their own ways.
That few are talking about this in the mass media just shows how uncomfortable the topic is.
I have quite a few intelligent things to say about the comment, UnkownIngaTrumpit. Apparently you haven't read most of my comments on various threads. Do try to keep up before you embarrass yourself -- and your sock -- any further.
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"It is easy to tell on this thread who wants the military to be successful and who wants it to fail"
The same folks who called every single Republican President and presidential candidate for the last 60 years a "nazi" and call the boy scouts the "Hitler Youth".
Michael K said... That "SEAL" I'm sure did his tranny stuff AFTER service.
P1.
Michael, don’t let me die here. Do the surgery after I’m bloodied (see below). I’m a straight arrow. On a drunkard’s walk. Through this life. My drunkard’s walk ain’t never applied to my-sexual. I don’t even drink. Well sorta.
Here goes my death. All fucked up.
Women Marines Are Marines, Too — Same as Men
“[K] was my friend. We spent a lot of time together. One of the guys was pissed at me and called her my ‘barracks whore.’ I stopped the formation, made everyone stand at attention facing me and told him to step out and say it again. He didn’t move. He did mutter something after a long silence. I ignored it, turned everyone front and kept marching. It was more about showing intolerance to that behavior.” “The [Marine Corps] culture is all fucked-up, man,” the former Marine said. “It’s a fucked-up situation made up of fuck-ups from all over this fucked-up country and they’re all fucking 18. The Marines is a place for people who don’t know what the fuck they’re doing. [The Corps tells] you what you’re doing. Problem solved.” “If you survive, sane and retain an identity, you might come out stronger,” the former Marine continued. “Or you might adopt that culture as your identity. Is there gross, sexist misogyny? Fucking yes. Was it done before other women Marines in front of me? Not on my fucking watch.”
Don’t know how many skirts those fucked up bastards looked up with iPhones - while putting Marine twats on Facebook.
Bitches fight back.
"Can we all admit that this issue, and the "transgender issue" generally, are pretty close to entirely unimportant?"
On the contrary, these things are very important. They are symbols. They indicate possession, power, mores, cultural dominance. They say "you are worth nothing!" to their enemies, because they have managed to plant this flag. And vice versa when the flag is removed.
Why would Dick Durbin want wonderful, brilliant, courageous transgender individuals to join the US military, whom he compared to Nazi's, Stalin and Pol Pot?
"I have quite a few intelligent things to say about the comment, UnkownIngaTrumpit. Apparently you haven't read most of my comments on various threads."
LOL! Bullshit. Your main focus here is to harass commenters on the left. Your continued focus on my identity proves that you're a troll.
By comparison, the military spent $84 million on erectile dysfunction medications Viagra and Cialis in 2014, the Military Times reported.
I like to check arithmetic on some stuff.
Quick google finds viagra for .62, with discount for bulk purchase of 700 pills, bonus of 70 thrown in. Works out to 129,330,769 pills. Now, we would expect a purchase that large would qualify for further discount. Let's say .50 per pill. That gonna be 168 million pills. Viagra supposed to be taken before sex. Military in 2014 had 14,299,995 active of all sexes and ages. 13.9 percent are 41 years or older. Women comprise 15.1 percent.
So,12,140,695 men. 1,808,963 men over 41. That makes about 93 pills per man over 41.
Assuming viagra not needed by most of those under fifty(?) and, Seems like those older guys in the service getting laid fairly regular.
Vance - I think it was the military rule requiring the sharing of barracks/sanitary facilities that forced Trump to this step. There have been enough sexual assault/privacy issues already that that order (necessary, as far as I can see, given the policy change by the prior admin) was clearly going to create many more problems.
Think about the Marine "candid" photo scandal alone. There's either a growing problem with male-on-male sexual assault in the military or more of a willingness to report it, and a well-documented problem with sexual assaults against women.
Adding this layer of complication just wasn't going to work out well. And it would really put women in a worse position. If 5% of women and 1% of men are getting physically accosted each year, this is not a very good situation. Throwing out the bogus APA thing, still the Rand survey in 2015 presented some very sobering figures.
And Fabi, you dumbass, if you can't discern the difference in writing style of myself and that of Trumpit, not only are you a troll, you're retarded.
Stop projecting, Inga -- I'm sure you have some more mindless cutting-and-pasting to do!
"And Fabi, you dumbass, if you can't discern the difference in writing style of myself and that of Trumpit, not only are you a troll, you're retarded."
Lulz
FullMoon - the Viagra/Cialis figure probably mostly derives from medical spending for retirees. I agree, there's no flipping way it's possible for active-duty to be using that much of the stuff. There literally aren't enough of them to account for it.
That, or the figures are bad, or someone is scraping the pills and selling them on the open market. But that would have to be huge operation to account for the official spending figures - I would think it would be caught.
"FullMoon - the Viagra/Cialis figure probably mostly derives from medical spending for retirees."
Not only that (which is huge), but viagra is also prescribed for conditions other than ED, and some of those involve female fertility.
Ooops!
I just wrote "female".
Sorry lefties!
UnknownInga says "Nope, I'm not Trumpit, but I do like his comments."
One loon praises another. Keep your trolls straight (so to speak) people! Inga has 452 daughters and 15 of them are in the Marines, so I'm sure she wants the military to be successful.
"Lulz"
That word "Lulz" is so stupid. How old are you?15? Also, you often use that word "lulz" when you've made a fool of yourself on a comment thread and want to appear like you haven't been bested. It's your pattern, I've seen it numerous times. Now let's hear some of those " intelligent comments" you claim you make.
"..... has 452 daughters and 15 of them are in the Marines, so I'm sure she wants the military to be successful."
At least Inga didn't have multiple abortions and claim she gave the babies up for adoption.
The Viagra red herring is also hilarious because it's comparing a medication used by many tens of thousands of service members/retirees versus a few thousand trannies. Do a per capita comparison of expenditures and that analysis becomes even more absurd.
"Now let's hear some of those " intelligent comments" you claim you make."
Viz. 2:32 p.m.
Lulz
"The Marines is a place for people who don’t know what the fuck they’re doing. "
Says an obvious patriot.
I see kids joining the Marines every day I work. Most are 17 or 18. When I see a 17 year old recruit, it's more than a 50% chance they are applying to the Marines. I was not a Marine, I was a zoomie and later Army Reserve but two high school friends of mine were Marines and I know a lot of them.
Whoever you are, you are full of shit,
"A new study shows that twenty percent of transgender people have served in the military"
What complete horseshit. ONE percent of all Americans serve in the military and you want us to believe that 20 percent of all trannies have served? We know math is hard for liberals but that's idiotic even by your standards.
"At least Inga didn't have multiple abortions and claim she gave the babies up for adoption."
LOL! How lame.
Now I know you're Inga. Nobody else here combines stupidity and spite quite like you do.
"Whoever you are, you are full of shit,"
He/she is just another leftist who seeks to destroy another of the few remaining institutions that stands in the way of the lefties and their latest "utopia".
Just listen to the language employed by the left in describing the conservative side while simultaneously defend/minimizing Islamist murderous policies towards homosexuals.
It's all you need to know.
whswhs:
Gender is a set of physical and mental characteristics (i.e. masculine, feminine) correlated with a biological binary sex. Homosexuals diverge mentally, and sometimes physically (e.g. men who transition to become women so they can be with men), from their sex. Bisexuals, too, selectively.
This just in: Overweight people will not be allowed to serve in the Marines.
Michael K - Whoever you are, you are full of shit,
Not sure at whom this is aimed?
The - anonymous - Marine quoted (source: “War Is Boring?” - not that it matters) is isolating on one step only, in a linear equation. The “source” might not even exist. As sources go.
Whether real or made-up, the quote, as I read it, means to call to a greater fidelity. Not lesser. Just me. Feeling we pretty much come out as we went in.
The quote that counts - “If you survive, sane and retain an identity, you might come out stronger.”
Life cycle as an observed medical/biological, has mercy for corrections. Beats me when gender/sexual is locked, fixed, rigid. Not my problem. But is for some.
McCain, even with brain cancer, once again proving he is smarter and more normal than Trump.
"Washington, D.C. – U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, released the following statement today on President Trump’s tweet regarding transgender Americans in the military:
“The President’s tweet this morning regarding transgender Americans in the military is yet another example of why major policy announcements should not be made via Twitter.
“The statement was unclear. The Department of Defense has already decided to allow currently-serving transgender individuals to stay in the military, and many are serving honorably today. Any American who meets current medical and readiness standards should be allowed to continue serving. There is no reason to force service members who are able to fight, train, and deploy to leave the military—regardless of their gender identity. We should all be guided by the principle that any American who wants to serve our country and is able to meet the standards should have the opportunity to do so—and should be treated as the patriots they are.
“The Department of Defense is currently conducting a study on the medical obligations it would incur, the impact on military readiness, and related questions associated with the accession of transgender individuals who are not currently serving in uniform and wish to join the military. I do not believe that any new policy decision is appropriate until that study is complete and thoroughly reviewed by the Secretary of Defense, our military leadership, and the Congress.
“The Senate Armed Services Committee will continue to follow closely and conduct oversight on the issue of transgender individuals serving in the military.”"
whswhs:
desiring men makes you "not a man" is really, really retro
A woman who desires a woman is not "retro", she is transgendered, with respect to her mental state that deviates from the natural correlation between gender and sex. For individuals with a homosexual orientation, that may be the end of their deviation from their biological sex. Bisexuals have a wandering mental deviation. Transgender/crossovers are essentially homosexuals who further desire a physical transition in order to realize the illusion of a transsexual human.
God, I hope this thread dies out before Ritmo's shift starts.
The goodhearted of you who gave Sunsong credit for condemning the Scalice shooting are to be commended. But I can't join you. At the end of the day, his/her condemnation was well within the I condemn all violence dodge whenever someone from their own tribe is the perpetrator. He/she stood out only because he/she was alone in invoking it. So there's that.
McCain, even with brain cancer, once again proving he is smarter and more normal than Trump
I'm not falling for that one!
The left told us quite clearly in 2008 that McCain was literally Hitler, a misogynist and insane old man so why should I listen to him now?
Precisely when did McCain cease to be literally Hitler?
"The money is negligible," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs who is transgender, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "You're talking about .000001% of the military budget."
That's impossible to know, since the policy of paying for surgeries had not been implemented. How many transgenders would join the military for the free surgery? Did Kristin get some kind of Swami injection along with her sex-change surgery?
And I'm sure the spending is the least of it. The disruption and loss of cohesion among the troops is the bigger problem.
The - anonymous - Marine quoted (source: “War Is Boring?” - not that it matters) is isolating on one step only, in a linear equation. The “source” might not even exist. As sources go.
It wasn't clear to me who was speaking. If you were quoting, I apologize but that person was bashing Marines which I think is full of shit.
I examine military recruits. The Marine Corps is the only service that does NOT credit recruiters until the recruit successfully completes basic training. Most Marine recruits I see are 17 and 18 with records that are the cleanest I see.
I also examine female recruits, at least in LA, and they are fine but most are looking for desk jobs and are not into combat arms.
I am also aware that there was a scandal in Army basic training a few years ago in which female recruits were using sexual favors to get favors from drill instructors. When the scandal blew up, the DIs got screwed.
This business about nude photos was not just about sneaking photos up skirts as far as I know. There are "fraternization" rules but males mostly get punished.
n.n said..Gender is a set of physical and mental characteristics (i.e. masculine, feminine) correlated with a biological binary sex.
Binary?
Dimorphism is an observed clinical. Phenotypic.
“Is” ain’t “ought.” So generate your social policy as you will. Whether policy affects your assortative preferences, future epigenetic, not the genome project, may tell. Maybe not. Maybe never. Market sells what market sells.
"ilitary in 2014 had 14,299,995 active of all sexes and ages."
That number is massively inflated. 3-4 million on active duty/in the reserves, maybe 2 million retirees
… the Pentagon spends nearly five times more on Viagra than it does on providing medical services for transgender troops.
Which proves that the priorities are in the right direction.
Virtually all of the Western democratic countries with similar basic values allow transgender persons to serve--including Great Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Germany, Israel, Norway, The Netherlands, France and Spain.
Q. How many of the referenced “democratic countries” have viable militaries able to properly defend themselves?
A. None. For generations they’ve all been living in a world where they were protected by NATO, which is mainly funded by America. Their militaries are mainly for show, to make the voters believe they possess a real fighting force. This has allowed them to fund their socialist economies.
Now I'm questioning the reply Of "Nuts" to the WWII surrender demand during the Battle of the Bulge.
Michael K.
7/26/17, 3:03 PM
Thanks. Peace.
" .. Marine Corps is the only service that does NOT credit recruiters until the recruit successfully completes basic training. Most Marine recruits I see are 17 and 18 with records that are the cleanest I see."
Outdoor lunch yesterday. In the shade. Minding my own. Saw Marine recruiter leave his office with young man in tow. He took the youngster on a short run. Through a hot parking lot. Sweating.
“Now, try running holding your head UP. Not down. Like this.”
“Basic is harder than this," I thought to myself. Kept my mouth shut. Looks like tryouts start in recruiters' parking lots now.
Wish well to both of them.
"I also examine female recruits, at least in LA, and they are fine but most are looking for desk jobs and are not into combat arms.
I am also aware that there was a scandal in Army basic training a few years ago in which female recruits were using sexual favors to get favors from drill instructors. When the scandal blew up, the DIs got screwed.
This business about nude photos was not just about sneaking photos up skirts as far as I know. There are "fraternization" rules but males mostly get punished."
Jesus. Michael K,
You can't even be bothered to try to cloak your misogyny.
The purpose of the armed forces is be prepared to use armed force to kill people and break things. Anything that hampers readiness to accomplish that mission is a bad thing and should not be tolerated. The armed forces should not be some kind of social science laboratory to test out liberal theories that have no basis in reality.
How about "Yes, I'm Pretend Inga, no I'm not Trumpit?"
I find it surreal that this issue has now generated over 350 comments. I expect fatuous, insane lefties and lifelong Republicans to be thoroughly engaged by the subject matter. I can only hope that the normals who post here are just having some fun with the seditionists.
Just so there is no mistake where I stand: I have just learned that gout is a disqualifying condition for the armed forces. As a gout sufferer I am shocked, appalled and taken aback by this discriminatory state of affairs.
Gout is readily controllable by an inexpensive medication, requires no surgery, hormones or psychiatric therapy. Gout creates no sexual ambiguity. Gout sufferers outnumber transgenders (at least until the latter becomes more faddish).
To correct this outrage I will institute Let Gout In (LEGO-In). If you wish to contribute to end this injustice, look for us soon on Gofundme.com.
Leftists think of US military members as being Gengis Khan-like.
OK Darrell, sure, yes I'm the Pretend Inga. So Darrell, whatever happened to the real Inga? She sure must've been some hot stuff, huh? Wish I would've "met" her, lol.
"The armed forces should not be some kind of social science laboratory to test out liberal theories that have no basis in reality."
The left seeks the destruction of our offensive and most of our defensive capabilities.
They truly believe the world would be more just with a weakened US.
“Basic is harder than this," I thought to myself. Kept my mouth shut. Looks like tryouts start in recruiters' parking lots now.
Wish well to both of them.
I tell all of them they should be running 5 miles a day before they go to basic. Even Navy and Air Force.
I was not an officer and went through basic, too.
She sure must've been some hot stuff, huh?
Nah. She was just as nutty as you are. I'm sure firemen will come and take out her picture window so that they can get her out of her house soon. Farewell, Classic Inga! We'll wish you adieu, too, when your time comes.
http://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2017/07/26/wounded-warrior-just-explained-trumps-transgender-ban-one-incredible-tweet-thread/
Good explanation of why this is a valid policy
Michael K. - “I tell all of them they should be running 5 miles a day before they go to basic. Even Navy and Air Force.”
Good advice. My son is in Air Force weather combat. Kinda in behind the lines. He didn’t start in special ops, of course. He was cross-country runner in high school. Few marathons. Poor fast-twitch muscle (my-bad congenital got him) - but, this. Despite being in good condition, really good condition, right out of high school, Air Force basic, the drillers, they really know how to drive the newbies beyond their good conditioning. "Dad, this is HARD!"
Don’t know what gender issues Air Force is having.
Five miles, good advice. “Five miles, and obey the drillers.”
" I'm sure firemen will come and take out her picture window so that they can get her out of her house soon. Farewell, Classic Inga! We'll wish you adieu, too, when your time comes."
So Darrell, it sounds as if you knew her intimately, no judgment, some guys like 'em well rounded. Well, what happened, bad breakup?
they really know how to drive the newbies beyond their good conditioning. "Dad, this is HARD!"
I tell them if they can do that, even three times a week, they will not have a tough time in basic.
I have some basic training stories on my blog.
"Don’t know what gender issues Air Force is having."
Navy...Humor...Activated....Too...Many...Targets...Humor Overload......Must Stop Myself From Grabbing Straight Line and Running With It......
That Viagra spend trope has been flicking around Facebook and Twitter today - good to see the BlueCheck Mafia are able to quickly disperse their misleading propaganda.
"That Viagra spend trope has been flicking around Facebook and Twitter today - good to see the BlueCheck Mafia are able to quickly disperse their misleading propaganda."
They've got alot of mindless lifelong republican and lefty voice-actuated minions they can count on.
Honestly? Fuck it.
The courts aren't going to let something like a ban stand anyway.
Transgenders are apparently a protected class, now. It's no use arguing that doesn't make any sense--it's what everyone apparently believes.
The military leaders who matter all sign on to the big cultural changes--it's surprising in a way that rainbow patches haven't been allowed on uniforms already.
The nice people see it as no big deal. Only a bully would stop patriotic transgender people from serving! Sure, some of them may have severe mental problems, be extremely costly in terms of medical spending and time away from their unit, and otherwise harm unit cohesion and efficiency, but that's just the price we have to pay for having a diverse, inclusive armed services.
Fuck it. The culture wars are over, man, and the Left won. Idiocy like this is just another consequence of that victory.
sounds as if you knew her intimately
No, just electronically, like you. The Blessings never cease.
" Idiocy like this is just another consequence of that victory."
There are a few real consequences.
Male and female applicants are examined in different areas. Gays are no problem but what do you do with an applicant dressed as a female who is back in the female zone and it has a dick a foot long?
Birches said...
I will add though, that Sunsong is in fact quoting actual relevant people now. Ash Carter used to be the Secretary of Defense.
And THANK GOD that his status is "used to be", just like his CIC.
Now I'm questioning the reply Of "Nuts" to the WWII surrender demand during the Battle of the Bulge.
7/26/17, 3:12 PM
Darrell wins the thread.
Drago, "... Grabbing ...”
Grab what you can, if you can ;).
Michael K - "three times a week."
Okay, rest? - right? His high school track coach said same thing - bone micro-fissures? Really (no sarcasm), in fartlek hell, how do youngsters know how far to go, without x-rays? Feeling shin splints? Swelling? How generalized does the pain go? Whatever docs do looking at synergistics, how it plays with general adolescent pissing-irritability? Advil and Tylenol mask it? Beyond my pay-grade :).
Blogger exhelodrvr1 said...
"ilitary in 2014 had 14,299,995 active of all sexes and ages."
That number is massively inflated. 3-4 million on active duty/in the reserves, maybe 2 million retirees
7/26/17, 3:04 PM
Would make the supposed volume of viagra even more ridiculous.
Michael K said...Male and female applicants are examined in different areas. Gays are no problem but what do you do with an applicant dressed as a female who is back in the female zone and it has a dick a foot long?
Not my problem, Michael. You'll figure it out. Someone in charge will come up with a policy and tell you what to do. Someone will probably object to that policy and there will be lawsuits a-plenty, but in the end Top Men..er, Top People will decide what should be done and you'll do it.
Some mother's son will get killed in some shithole country somewhere and people in his platoon might think "gee, our buddy didn't need to die, if only we hadn't had to deal with the bad consequences of this policy" and that'll just be to damn bad. It's the price you pay! Anything else would hurt people's feelings, and military effectiveness and efficiency count less than those people's feelings.
There's a lot of ruin in a nation, and there's plenty of give in our military. If it has to take on the additional burden of dealing with these kinds of problems in order to temporarily appease the Left and all the nice centrist people who would be offended by a ban, well, so be it.
"No, just electronically, like you."
Now Darrell, don't be shy. It's OK if you and Real Inga were bumping uglies. How else would you have known her so well?
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