Said Donald Trump to Howard Stern in a newly released recording — just as 4 women from the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant say that Donald Trump walked in on them while they were undressed.
“I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here,’” said Mariah Billado, the former Miss Vermont Teen USA. Trump, she recalled, said something like, “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”He's saying that to teenagers. Maybe the 4 women are not being completely honest — they might oppose him as a political candidate — but you have that corroborating statement from Trump himself. And look how his statement is an idea we've heard before: "I sort of get away with things like that" is like "They let you do it.... Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything" and not all that different from "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
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Digging into old, stupid "statements" of 10 -20 years ago doesn't address the future needs of the country (jobs, debt, crime, immigration, etc, etc.)
But, alas, Trump talks a lot, politics ain't beanbag, and the Dems will press any advantage they can get.
Althouse--That pussy thing? That was a misunderstanding. He was talking about seduction by taking women to the animal shelter and checking out the kittens. You know, they went grocery shopping, he helped out with errands, they went to the Humane Society, she picked up a pussy, and Trump grabbed it as it squirmed out of her embrace. A star can do anything!
"But, alas, Trump talks a lot, politics ain't beanbag, and the Dems will press any advantage they can get."
This is like the "binders full of women" thing, but played to the max. Team Hillary knows that white women are the demographic that can sink Trump, and anything they can do to keep his numbers down with them will work.
Looking back, it may have helped him more to get that all leaked and aired a year ago, play it out, so that it'd be stale by now. The distraction more than anything is preventing him from making up ground.
Maybe at that time he was self-identifying as a teenage girl? You aren't suggesting he doesn't have the right to do that, are you? That would make you a bigot of the highest order.
Can anyone though--pro-Trump or anti-Trump--seriously say that any of these latest revelations shocked or even surprised them? I'm also including the tax documents leak--all of this has practically been part of his brand.
I think his polling slide has more to do with an increase of Dems among "likely voters" in the polls--that is, more Dems being energized to vote, rather than pro-Trumps dropping their support. Just a theory, anyway.
I don't really care what Trump has said or done to women. If he did something illegal to you, go to the police and file a complaint. If not, stop whining. Put on your big girl panties and go parade around the stage in them. This election is not about groping women or using vulgar language. It's about what direction the country is going. After years of whining women should be as free as men are sexually, we're back to fainting couches. Hillary is just as vulgar in her language as any man I've ever met. Good for her. Now what are we going to do about the economy, health care, immigration, nuclear proliferation, and all the other important stuff? Because that's what any woman with any sense cares about.
Disgusting for sure.
Almost as bad as putting a cigar in their pu$$ie$.
Almost as bad as raping women.
Almost as bad as helping to cover up and discredit the women your husband raped.
Almost as bad as getting a child rapist off and laughing about it.
I could go on...
Trump is the absolutely WORST candidate ever and completely, 100% unfit to be President, except for the person he is running against.
We kind of need a President like this. Washington D.C. is in need of inspection.
@Althouse, not one of the beauty contestants stepped forward to plant a good hard kick into his crotch? Or even slap his face? Now you see how wrong you were about "pussy" referring to kittens -- the term refers to women because as a group you are so utterly lacking in self-esteem that you won't fight back no matter how egregious the treatment thrown at you.
Can anyone though--pro-Trump or anti-Trump--seriously say that any of these latest revelations shocked or even surprised them?
We finally agree on something.
Maybe only a guy as rude, crude and crazy as Trump would be willing to take on the Deep State that is running the country since GHW Bush,
Every other politician, I should say "every politician," is looking to get rich from politics and knows that he must toe the line of the donor class.
Harry Truman said it best; " You can't get rich in politics unless you're a crook."
I can't help wondering with each of these Trump "hidden in plain sight" disclosures. Why, with $100 million, could Jeb Bush's campaign not discover any of these? Was it all going into consultant pockets? Same question for the Rubio/Cruz/NeverTrump well-funded campaigns. Don't blame Trump for the Republican Party demise: the Republican Establishment is apparently too stupid to survive.
Can anyone though--pro-Trump or anti-Trump--seriously say that any of these latest revelations shocked or even surprised them?
Not me. But then again I'm extremely jaded. Trump is exactly who I thought he was: A loud boorish pig who is obsessed with superficial things.
That said, if Hillary is even a fraction of who I think she is, then she's a hell of a lot worse than Trump.
Anyone think this is the last of these? This will continue through election day. Each a reminder of unfitness because unfitness is the theme.
Jeb is such an idiot. All that money and he couldn't find any of this during the primary. But maybe it would not have mattered. How many of Trump's primary voters were white women?
Hillary in an epic sweep. Four years of severity.
Maybe Bill will make us laugh.
Hillary is inevitable. Finally!
They just need to keep her upright and prevent her eyes from crossing.
Trumpers need not worry.
Althouse is scanning the web right now, preparing to post a giant block quote from the Dilbert guy, to he effect that Trump's predations toward teenagers is just a move in his game of eighth-dimentional chess.
In my mind the case for voting for Trump was never about voting for Trump. It was about voting for the candidate most likely to defeat a woman who openly flouts the law. You remember the law, don't you Professor? It's supposed to bind all of us, but today we have a candidate who has been enabled for many years when it comes to sliding by with illegal and extra-legal activities. Now she might be in the White House for four years or longer. Does that not scare anyone reading this?
After Hillary is elected the feminists will pat themselves on the back, but the victory will be short lived, and regretted. And on Campus, our intellectuals will tell themselves that their efforts were worth it. Future Miss pageant contestants will have been protected. Offense toward the sensibilities of the American woman will no longer be tolerated.
But Hillary's campaign promises made to defeat ISIS with air power only will have to be delivered. Politicized generals will praise her plans. Any hope of diplomatic negotiations with Russia will have been tossed out the window after all the public hacking allegations, and the public vilification of Putin. Iran will have money to spend, and oil to distribute.
Hillary will flex her muscle and try and enforce a UN approved no-fly zone over Syria. She will punch the middle east tar baby once again, and the United States will find itself in conflict with both Russia and Iran. She will further arm Syrian 'rebels' to do the ground fighting against ISIS. Some of their weapons will end up in the hands of ISIS, others will be used against Russia-Iran backed Assad forces. Lessons of toppling Saddam, Gadaffi, and Mubarak will be ignored.
But we will engage the battle for the children. And fighting aged Syrian men will continue to flee and pour into Europe, and they will be flown the the US on our dime, while our sons daughters fight for them over Syria.
And we will look back and wonder why we didn't join forces with Russia to defeat ISIS, let Assad remain on his throne, and just go the fuck home.
They both have a lot of support that is very weak and tentative. It doesn't take much to pull some of that away, especially among undecideds. The revelations about Trump are more embarrassing to defend for many. They don't move me at all, but obviously from the lost support among some high profile Republicans to the polls, he's blowing it. It could have gone the other way, but he's not sharp enough, waited too long, and is targeting the wrong people. Who is moved to vote for him when he attacks other Republicans? It only reinforces the support among those he already has and alienates some who might still vote for him. He keeps stroking his base and losing votes in the process. Dumb.
I think they accidentally released these in reverse order.
I mean, it's a little hard to get outrageously outraged at trump each week over the same thing. You're supposed to build this up.
The implication here, of course, is that he is a perv, walking in on young girls. But they're mixing the two things, so Trump can deny it. Yeah, I walked in, on adult women.
And of course, he is going to have teens who are now adults that will say, "He never walked in on me." And thus bolster his side of the story.
They should have started here. And then moved to the private conversation. Would have hit him harder.
"Jeb is such an idiot. All that money and he couldn't find any of this during the primary. But maybe it would not have mattered. How many of Trump's primary voters were white women?"
Jeb showed us how to waste a ton of cash trying to fight off Marco Rubio. It was sort of like "Brewster's Millions." Most of his attacks on Trump were of the "he's not a real conservative" vein--which of course doesn't mean a thing to his core supporters, who don't care whether he's a "conservative" if by "conservative" we mean people like Jeb.
If I were advising a candidate, I'd consider it imperative to find out anything potentially damaging about the candidate in advance so we can plan the leaks and spin accordingly, getting it out of the way ahead of time. It's not so much that late revelations damage the candidate as it is that they distract--you and your surrogates are spending precious days answering questions about the scandal and not focusing people on what you want to.
I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of thing keeps dribbling out for the next few weeks. Any day we're not thinking about Hillary helps Hillary.
"The implication here, of course, is that he is a perv, walking in on young girls. But they're mixing the two things, so Trump can deny it. Yeah, I walked in, on adult women."
I'm assuming all the women in these pageants were adult women. And at least semi-professionals, who aren't going to freak out about an authorized man walking in on them.
Much ado about nothing. But then I thought a dog in a crate on your car was nothing, too.
Blogger Brian said...
Trumpers need not worry.
Althouse is scanning the web right now, preparing to post a giant block quote from the Dilbert guy, to he effect that Trump's predations toward teenagers is just a move in his game of eighth-dimentional chess.
You missed the pivot. She was cruelly neutral, but trump lost her. For some reason, she hasn't come out and made her, "How Trump lost me post" but I'd imagine it's pretty obvious to her readers, and probably even to her, that trump has lost her. Maybe she doesn't like to decide so early. Maybe she is holding out to get closer to the moment she actually votes, so she can remain cruelly neutral. But, if voting was held today, she wouldn't be voting for trump.
"Now what are we going to do about the economy, health care, immigration, nuclear proliferation, and all the other important stuff? Because that's what any woman with any sense cares about."
People say that's what they care about. But these are abstractions to most. Most voting decisions (like juries) are made based on how people make you feel.
Yes, I think you just called 80% of voting age women nonsensical.
"It was about voting for the candidate most likely to defeat a woman who openly flouts the law."
Could your judgment have been wrong there?
I've never been in a beauty contest, but I've done some modeling and runway. And it's true, you just have to get dressed in front of everybody and people involved in the show just come in and out of the backstage area. Everyone just politely pretends they can't see everyone else, but if you are in a show where there are male models and female models and male clients and female clients, you all can see everything.
So his crime here, I guess, is that he's talking about what is obviously true.
Oh, and BuzzFeed already proved my prediction true. They reached 11 contestants who said they never saw Trump in the dressing room and some said he couldn't even have gotten back in there.
I think using Howard Stern tapes against him is pretty square.
Besides, I thought we were all for mixed dressing areas now.
I did some plays in junior high and high school. Sometimes I played multiple characters and had to do quick costume changes, and so did some of the girls. As my junior high school director once said, "If you're modest, you're in the wrong line of work." By the time I was in high school, I was suffering from cystic acne, which mortified me, even though it never really attacked my face, but mostly my back. I commented about it in the presence of a beautiful young woman who was also involved in drama, and she said something to the effect of "I've seen it, and it doesn't bother me," from which I gleaned two pieces of information: she'd taken note of me pretty much unclothed in the course of at least one frenzied costume change and, contra my expectation at the time, wasn't disgusted.
In retrospect, I wish I'd made an effort to talk with her more after that...
The point, of course, is: if you're in a play, or a pageant, or something else that involves changes of clothing in order to participate in a presentation, you kind of know you're going to be seen by strangers, not necessarily of the same sex. Everyone relies on everyone else to behave appropriately, professionally. If that breaks down, then you go through the normal ethical and/or legal reporting and escalation process. What we're hearing here is bits and pieces of Donald Trump's internal monologue, a monologue we already knew he has a marked tendency to externalize with fewer filters than most people. And yes, I think it matters that there's a kind of self-deprecating social commentary attached to it—he acknowledges that he has power, and this power lets him get away with things he wouldn't otherwise be able to. That reflection alone continues to put him megaparsecs ahead, ethically, of Hillary Clinton, who gives no evidence of having such an insight in the first place, let alone doing anything so self-limiting as expressing it verbally to another human being.
If elected President, Trump would not get away with anything. Every word spoken, every look cast, every shoulder touched, every email sent will be examined six ways from Sunday by the press, by the DNC, and by a not insignificant minority within the GOP. He wouldn't survive an impeachment - heck the GOPe would consider a President Pence a serious improvement over a President Trump.
If elected President, Hillery will have only the GOP paying attention. Any criminal activity by her will be dismissed with pardons, immunities, and destruction of evidence, with the press helpfully explaining it all away. The GOP wouldn't have the balls to attempt to impeach the first woman president. She would be untouchable.
Even if Trump is facing a political death from a thousand cuts, even if he wasn't my first choice in the primaries, and even if he is not a Conservative, I refuse to jump ship.
The reason is simple:
1. Most of the problems in our country (poor schools, crime, illegal immigration, slow growth) in my opinion are caused by the Left. This wasn't always true (see racial problems, Mississippi circa 1950s). But it is true now.
2. Hillary, herself, by tone and temperament, is fairly moderate. She's a grandma lawyer, who's made millions, and succeeded wildly in politics.
3. But, Hillary's followers are the problem. They want higher taxes, more government, more kangaroo courts on campuses, designed to brand oppressive males as rapists, more censoring of the internet, etc, etc.
4. Trump, whether we like it or not, is a fighter. He sometimes doesn't fight smart, but he fights.
5. And, Trump, at this moment in time, is the only thing standing between us and the Leftist hordes.
So, I'm sticking with Trump.
Some of you are fantasizing it differently from what Trump's telling us: "No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it."
He starts talking to them. "'Is everyone OK?' You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. 'Is everybody OK?' And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that."
That sounds like a different scene than some of you are imagining. And those are his own words.
I think Trump has the corrupt media right where he wants them! He's just luring them in! Soon, real soon, he's a gonna set the hook and real 'em in. Ok! Ok!
Now that he's been liberated by Paul Ryan he can really get to persuadin as to his leacherous greatness! He and Howard agree about Ivanka's greatness! Ok! Ok!
BORING
Bay Area Guy thinks it's important to elect an authoritarian Democrat who will raise your taxes and abort 9-month old fetuses, so long that Democrats wears (for 5 minutes) a jersey with an R on it.
I like this part of the election. This is the part I've been waiting for, when all the billionaires come out and try to influence the election by letting the peasants know the "real" person behind the mask.
1) Clinton - Rich, Evil, Sick, Coughs a lot, needs help getting into a vehicle, almost dead, hates Catholics
2) Trump - Rich, Evil, Sick, Pervert, Serial Divorcer, Bankrupt, oh - and a child pervert too, Doesn't believe in God
That doesn't sound like a president to me. Gouverneur Morris described George Washington as "the majesty of the American people standing before me," after slapping him on the back with a guffaw. "I wished I woulda been swallowed up into the cellar the way he looked at me. It was the majesty of the American people."
When your starting position is higher negatives than Hillary, and this stuff comes out, it hurts. (like it or not/fair or not)
This is why Trump is a disaster.
I understand that all this silly garbage is nothing compared to Hillary's corruption, but most low-info voters who watch SNL or CNN are so turned-off by Trump, they are not going to vote for him.
I completely agree with Bay Area Guy and April Apple.
Trump *is* a disaster.
But that doesn't make Hillary Clinton *not* a disaster. So what do I have to look at? Not the candidates themselves, but the effects their wins will have on the country.
MayBee said...
I think using Howard Stern tapes against him is pretty square.
The silver lining in all of this might be that henceforth, everyone who has ever appeared on Howard Stern will be disqualified for elective office. And no one seeking any respectable position in public life will ever agree to appear on the show in the future.
If this is legit, and I assume the tapes have provenance and can be verified, isn't this vastly worse than the pussy tape? So why is this only on a slightly dodgy site like Buzzfeed?
Chuck - exactly.
Did any of the other candidates appear on Stern's show? I'm guessing - no.
But Hillary's campaign promises made to defeat ISIS with air power only will have to be delivered. Politicized generals will praise her plans. Any hope of diplomatic negotiations with Russia will have been tossed out the window after all the public hacking allegations, and the public vilification of Putin. Iran will have money to spend, and oil to distribute.
Hillary will flex her muscle and try and enforce a UN approved no-fly zone over Syria. She will punch the middle east tar baby once again, and the United States will find itself in conflict with both Russia and Iran. She will further arm Syrian 'rebels' to do the ground fighting against ISIS. Some of their weapons will end up in the hands of ISIS, others will be used against Russia-Iran backed Assad forces. Lessons of toppling Saddam, Gadaffi, and Mubarak will be ignored.
and the GOP had best disown this insanity before it starts.
But they won't. They never do.
And the GOP will end up getting blamed for all of this. Because Bush.
If I were advising a candidate, I'd consider it imperative to find out anything potentially damaging about the candidate in advance so we can plan the leaks and spin accordingly, getting it out of the way ahead of time. It's not so much that late revelations damage the candidate as it is that they distract--you and your surrogates are spending precious days answering questions about the scandal and not focusing people on what you want to.
Yeah, it'd be best if YOU leak the bad info. Gives you a chance to spin it to your advantage and to chastise others for not being willing to come clean to the voters.
Many of whom are, as we see with the polls, brain-dead morons.
Hey, don't kid yourself either, Trump is just telling it like it is when it comes to Ivanka being a piece of ass. All Daddies wish they could say such things, but only the not a politician, Donald J Trump has the courage to say what needs to be said. Pastor Jeffers and Falwell Jr tells me don't worry about it, we ain't lectin no Sunday School teacher.
The silver lining in all of this might be that henceforth, everyone who has ever appeared on Howard Stern will be disqualified for elective office
Why?
What about the Howard Stern show is disqualifying?
I think girls who want privacy while in a dressing room should not get into the beauty business.
In order to be a runway model, you have to be able to work naked around other women and men. There is no privacy.
You can bet your ass that the men like being around naked women, but they have only one thing in mind, and that is to make a shit-load of money.
One thing to keep in mind, is that these women have all been taking ex-Lax for three days and just got done vomiting in order to fit into the dress chosen for them.
Months later they all die of anorexia or heroin overdose.
Well sure, jackson jay. We get to choose between the guy who said Howard Stern could call his daughter a piece of ass, and a guy who was too busy having sex with people other than his wife to notice he and his daughter were driving the head of their foundation to suicide.
What great choices!!!!
Seriously, how can people who are outraged about this defend their position that teenage girls should just be comfortable with a male in their lockerroom at school?
"Yeah, it'd be best if YOU leak the bad info. Gives you a chance to spin it to your advantage and to chastise others for not being willing to come clean to the voters."
I think a lot of what "hurt" Trump with the "pussy" comment (to the extent it really hurt him) was that it was a private statement he didn't think would get out (similar to "47 percent" or "deplorables"). Had he a year ago stated "I've often made crude comments, including one time in a pre-interview conversation on Access Hollywood, I bragged about being so famous I could grab a woman by the pussy--it was childish and not the sort of behavior I'd want my grandkids to see, and I regret it, but want to clear the air because my opponents are likely to air it"--I think it would have fizzled in a day.
I think it would have fizzled in a day.
Nothing Trump says is allowed to fizzle in one day. How many days did we hear about Melania Trump's speech at the RNC, or the shape of the star on a Trump poster?
"Nothing Trump says is allowed to fizzle in one day. How many days did we hear about Melania Trump's speech at the RNC, or the shape of the star on a Trump poster?"
Some fizzles quicker than others, to be replaced by a new outrage du jour. But you see my point about relative damage when you release and spin vs. getting caught off guard?
Brando,
I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of thing keeps dribbling out for the next few weeks. Any day we're not thinking about Hillary helps Hillary.
10/12/16, 11:13 AM
That's the thing, isn't it. Has Althouse said anything about Hillary, either in praise or detraction, in weeks or months? If she can pivot from Trump to rats, in theory she might just have enough mental ability to pivot from Trump to Clinton. Questionable but possibe.
The U.S.S. Hillary spent the last several months firing shots over Trump's bow as he closed the distance in the polls. We thought she was missing but it turns out she was just taking his range. She let him get close, but now she's turned and from close range is giving him a full broadside that will continue unabated until election day. The rats have already abandoned ship. It's not a pretty sight watching Donald Trump getting filled with holes and begin to sink, but it is entertaining.
Trump: The only republican Crooked Hillary could ever beat. The funny thing is watching all you teabagging chickenhawks throwing out personal responsibility out the window and playing the victim card.
Some fizzles quicker than others, to be replaced by a new outrage du jour. But you see my point about relative damage when you release and spin vs. getting caught off guard?
Sort of. But I see one candidate literally (it's in the emails!) controlling the content of major media outlets (the NYTs). I don't think there is an effective way to combat that.
I mean, Trump has apologized for the pussy comment, and that hasn't brought any relief from that story. CNN is still badgering every surrogate who goes on there about it.
Someone make "Grab Em By The Pussy" hats and sell them at the Trump Rally.
You could make some decent coin.
It's like the people who keep talking about improving race relations in this country who then bring up that our nation was started with slavery. There's no going back in time to change the past. Trump can't make that comment not have happened.
And will no media people stand up for Billy Bush? Do they really want to be responsible for what an interviewee says to them 11 years ago? (I'm looking at people who covered Ted Kennedy here)
"Seriously, how can people who are outraged about this defend their position that teenage girls should just be comfortable with a male in their lockerroom at school?"
I could say it's a matter of the civil rights of transvestites versus a letch.... But the real reason is the vast, alphabetically, gap between D and R.
The point above is valid that every word a President Trump utters will be put under a microscope. That's a plus.
Let me add another:
Paul Ryan will fight against Trump a LOT harder than he did against President Obama. Who knows we MIGHT even get a real budget.
We threw this election in the toilet a long time ago.
Yes - hillary is worse. That shouldn't be the hook. The prospect should be the excitement watching our candidate soar in the polls over an old horrid unpopular career politician who mocks and ridicules the rule of law.
CNN is one giant campaign ad for The Clinton Crime Family.
I'm not even kidding. If you turn it on, you will see for yourself.
Yeah Maybee, that's been my position since January, NeverEither! I will say that Trump claims to be such a badass. I would just hop back on AF1 if China disrespected me. But, he so wanted Stern's approval that he went along, just like Little Billy Bush.
Signed,
The Daddy of three Dayghters
Trans-gender without the trans. A socially liberal culture. I wonder if he has repented or if he is still Pro-Choice.
Meanwhile, there is class diversity, selective exclusion, progressive wars, trial by sodomy and abortion, trickle-up poverty, immigration reform (e.g. refugee crises), inequitable/free trade, green/clean blight, female chauvinism, scientific mysticism, "final solution", etc.
hat shouldn't be the hook. The prospect should be the excitement watching our candidate soar in the polls over an old horrid unpopular career politician who mocks and ridicules the rule of law.
That's not where we are and there's no getting there now.
We have to deal with the now and moving forward.
Yeah Maybee, that's been my position since January, NeverEither!
I get it, but it's going to be one of them.
It's a dire election.
April Apple- yes, CNN has shockingly gone all in.
Which is weird, because I remember when they covered every single Trump rally during the primaries.
But, seeing the Clinton emails, maybe that isn't so weird.
Personally, I think we should fear that candidate that so controls the presses.
Signed,
The Daddy of three Dayghters
I'm leaning away from the candidate who seems determined to make Russia our enemy.
Signed,
The mom of two draft-age sons
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's pretty totally normal for show-biz dressing rooms, with lots going in and lots of people of both sexes coming and going. These girls are obviously not Trump supporters, because otherwise it wouldn't have even occurred to them to complain.
AprilApple said...Yes - hillary is worse. That shouldn't be the hook.
No, it shouldn't. But it is. It's October, not January. Deal with it.
This is probably not true, yet one of those things that really should be true even if it's not:
"As Donald Trump weathers a storm of controversy over randy comments he made to TV celebrity reporter Billy Bush in 2005, new video to emerge from the 2008 presidential campaign shows now-President Obama appearing to behave just as salaciously."
https://news.grabien.com/story-video-2008-campaign-appears-show-obama-flaunting-erection-fe
Michael K said...
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Maybe only a guy as rude, crude and crazy as Trump would be willing to take on the Deep State that is running the country since GHW Bush
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You keep saying this.
You are right.
Friends with Vlad the Putin, the slayer of innocent airliners. Got it! Better Red ....
MayBee said...What about the Howard Stern show is disqualifying?
The premise for the show is sex.
The whole show revolves around guys talking about sex. He's offended so many Baptists he's a multi-millionaire. Even if he curls his hair.
It's like "locker room" talk on steroids.
I don't agree that it is disqualifying, but there's my explanation.
Costume changes equals exposure in certain professions. That's one point.
The other is that any sexually experienced male knows that women naked aren't a turn-on, so there's no sexual gratification involved. Women look better clothed. That's what the clothing is for.
So both of those change the odds favorably in Trump's favor, as against perving.
Crackhead Bob and Hank the Angry Dwarf had nothing to do with sex. What he did with those two is disqualifing. Is Hillary planning on instituting a draft and going to war with Russia? Haven't heard that.
Forgot about Beetlejuice! Howard Stern is deplorable!
MayBee (11:51am):
It's worse than that. Most Democrats seem to think "that teenage girls should be comfortable with a" naked "male in their lockerroom at school". Trump was fully clothed, so what Democrats are in favor of requiring for everyone is far worse than what Trump purportedly did to a few.
Come on, why do you think Trump went into the modeling and beauty pageant businesses about 20 years ago, when he was turning 50 and about to separate from his second wife, the former beauty queen Marla Maples? Is that a normal business model for a real estate developer?
Women are reaching out to each other through social media to express themselves and deal with Trump and his kind.
I am not sure why anyone would get upset at this. But, then again, I thought that the pussy stuff was ridiculous too. As others have pointed out, he was very likely not the only guy back stage then. I think that if I owned a pageant like he did, that I would pop back stage, just because I could do it, too. Not that I would expect anything to occur as a result, but just because there were a lot of beautiful women partially clothed or nude.
It is all managed hype, managed, or at least coordinated, essentially by the Crooked Hillary campaign. They aren't supposed to coordinate this sort of stuff with the media, and, indeed, should probably be treating it as in-kind political contributions by the media. But, they won't, because, while illegal, no one is going to call them on it. So far, we have had three debates, with at least four heavily biased moderators, who either got some of their questions from her campaign, or told them in advance what they were. And, then you have other media doing bogus "fact checks" of what Trump said, but never Crooked Hillary. Etc. The news keeps rolling out about Dem operatives registering dead people to vote, Dems transporting voters precinct to precinct to vote, debate moderators coordinating with her campaign to take out Sanders, her campaign (and her husband) communicating with AG Lynch right before Dir. Comey came out with his non-prosecution report, proof that her campaign illegally coordinated with Soros groups, that the Dems had a spreadsheet showing political contributions and TARP receipts, more medical questions, etc. All studiously ignored by the MSM, who are doing whatever they can to drag her flopping carcass across the finish line, and therefore concentrate on made up scandals with Trump.
"...The point is, we need today’s big thinkers thinking big. Think like you did when you were watching Star Trek or Star Wars or Inspector Gadget. Think like the kids I meet every year at the White House Science Fair. We started this event in 2010 with a simple premise: We need to teach our kids that it’s not just the winner of the Super Bowl who deserves to be celebrated but the winner of the science fair. Since then, I’ve met young people who are tackling everything from destroying cancer cells to using algae to produce clean energy to distributing vaccines to remote areas of the world—all before most of them can even vote..."
Barack Obama
This is different from the hot mic because it was ON AIR and has been out in the public for twenty years. Trump routinely said this kind of stuff when he was on Stern. That this is being treated as "news" is ridiculous.
Guess anything to avoid talking about wikileaks revealing the corrupt back room deals between HRC's State Dept, Clinton foundation, DoJ and media.
"That's the thing, isn't it. Has Althouse said anything about Hillary, either in praise or detraction, in weeks or months? If she can pivot from Trump to rats, in theory she might just have enough mental ability to pivot from Trump to Clinton. Questionable but possibe."
Some of it I blame on Trump, when he deliberately courts unnecessary controversy right when Hillary has some damaging information coming out. But some (like the leaked Access Hollywood tape) is going to dribble out anyway, and the best thing he could do about it is try and make the story die as quickly as possible.
The Clintons, we all knew, play this way no matter who they're fighting. If they were running against Rubio or Kasich, we'd be getting some similar eleventh hour attack--maybe about how anti-abortion they are, or how they hate gays and women. The only way to blunt it is to stay disciplined and focused, as much of the electorate has grown inured to that tactic.
There is nothing that could be revealed about Trump that would get his supporters to abandon him.
They bonded with him emotionally over the southern wall and the Mexican deportations and the Muslim ban--and that bond is demonstrably unshakable.
Did any of the other candidates appear on Stern's show? I'm guessing - no.
No, they're stuffed-suit, professionally-political, money-grabbing, animatronic, mealy-mouthed, sanctimonious, Hunger Gaming beltway bastards and Washington whores.
And I'm not even voting Trump.
Nigel Tufnel said: "Jeb is such an idiot. All that money and he couldn't find any of this during the primary. But maybe it would not have mattered."
It wouldn't have mattered.
Base Republicans are laughing it off and disregarding it now. They would have disregarded it back then too.
The reason for the disconnect is that most of the white men in the GOP base simply aren't bothered by misogyny, bigotry, or bullying. They ascribe it to how an "alpha male" (like Trump, they say) naturally operates.
Their idea of a male role model is Conan the Barbarian.
What Eleanor said.
It's quite insulting that we women are expected to care more about sleazy male trash talking than the "economy, health care, immigration, nuclear proliferation, and all the other important stuff." And even worse, there apparently are plenty of women who do.
Much about this election disgusts me, but the behavior of our media "watchdogs" perhaps tops the list. First they promote the hell out of Trump and do everything in their power to put him at the top of the Republican ticket. And all the while, they sit on explosive material that might well have blown him out of the primaries. Then they wait for the opportune moment, say when it appears he might actually pull it off, to release that material with the expectation that it will blow him out of the general. And all of this to prop up one of the most irredeemably corrupt individuals in the history of American politics. If it's sleaze you're after, Hillary, and her reprobate of a husband, will deliver it in spades.
By the way, Hillary's disappearing from the campaign trail again. Except for one fundraiser, she has no scheduled events after today through October 25th. We can only speculate about the reasons a presidential candidate would avoid public appearances so close to an election mostly because this is one subject the media studiously avoid. Why is that do you suppose?
This election has become Joe Eszterhas' "Showgirls".
With Donald Trump as Al Torres, strip club owner.
But Al didn't have the star power of Andrew Carver, a "star" who thought he could do anything to women!
Here comes Hillary to seduce and destroy!
Important to remember that all the polls and all the pundits have been wrong about every single thing about DT from the get-go. They have nodded in agreement over and over and over and they have been wrong over and over and over. Here now in this most gotcha of gotcha moments they, the polls and the pundits, think they finally have it right. Maybe.
The moment that DT lost Althouse was the moment when she discovered he said pussy eleven years ago. Doesn't matter. She was lost to DT from the beginning.
There are 90 million people not in the workforce. Some of them wish to be. Some are asleep. Some are growling.
Sort of. But I see one candidate literally (it's in the emails!) controlling the content of major media outlets (the NYTs). I don't think there is an effective way to combat that.
It's a huge problem. But why wouldn't they support Hillary? She's advocating making them the only ones legally allowed to discuss candidates 2 months before an election.
Keep that in mind.
It's like the people who keep talking about improving race relations in this country who then bring up that our nation was started with slavery. There's no going back in time to change the past. Trump can't make that comment not have happened.
Amd nobody is willing to ask "What about the people who sold your people into slavery? Are they innocent?"
EMD - really?
Words are cheap. You'll find out all things as Trump hands it to his old pal.
Althouse will never post a "how Trump lost me" post because Trump never had her. Althouse is a contrarian, who would rather kill herself* than be boring. With everyone in the media piling on Trump, it would've been more of the same if she had done so. As she herself said, she looked for other angles, and attracted readers by doing so.
But there was no way Althouse was ever going to vote for the short-fingererd vulgarian--she would be run out of town by the good-people of Madison WI if she did that. She would've gone for Johnston, if she couldn't find a way to justify a vote for Hillary-- such justification needed because it's clear that Althouse does not like the Clintons.
But Trump finally crossed the line. The latest revelations into Trump's attitude towards women-- which should really have come as no surprise to anyone, especially ones that grew up reading Playboy as a child-- triggered such a visceral reaction of disgust that she can now summon all the power of her feminist brain to rationalize voting for the alleged-rapist enabler over someone she has convinced herself is a sexual-assaulter.
Of course this is all speculation on my part.
*Hyperbole used to make a point. No offense intended.
Going on Stern is a mistake--his whole point is to get you to say something embarrassing knowing you're hungry enough for exposure that you'll tolerate it. There's no way to come out of a Stern appearance without saying or agreeing to something crass.
It should be enough to just say "I was on Stern, everyone on Stern says stuff like that, he brings it out of you, it's what he does" but people just look at the transcript itself and hold you to a different standard.
"Think like the kids I meet every year at the White House Science Fair. "
These are lies. Horrible ones.
Damn you, Sunsong. This is by far the most disgusting part of US education.
The "science fair" kids arent the ones who innovate, its the ones who despise the teacher and go above and beyond AGAINST the teacher, or who do this sort of thing entirely on their own, violating urban ordinances, making their own explosives, engines and radioactive material experiments. Those who humiliate the teacher, and have the police called on them. It those kids with initiative, with imagination, with the true fire, not the goody-goodies who do their homework, that I respect.
You can get any number of effective goody-goodies fit to staff a company out of Asia. But it takes an American to turn things upside down, that is your genius. And the first sort of thing and person they need to turn upside down are Obama and yourself.
Female sports reporters broke the glass ceiling by working their way into men's locker rooms after sporting events for interviews.
Target and the Federal gov't just open up women's bathroom's to transgender penises.
Let's give Trump some credit on this one for being ahead of his time.
Give...me...a...break. This is the most disingenuous day ever at the Althouse blog.
I'm going to the bar after work.
Michael said...
"Important to remember that all the polls and all the pundits have been wrong about every single thing about DT from the get-go"
That is incorrect. Some of the pundits, yes. But not the polls. Trump lead in the GOP primary polls and the voting confirmed that. However the pundits questioned it because his support was not among a majority of voters. It hovered around 35% to 40% of the GOP electorate. But he still lead and polls showed that. But this is the general election now and he has not lead in the polls. At a certain point Trump supporters should probably take the polls seriously. But they won't. Instead they are already pushing the narrative that the election will be 'stolen' from them.
"Instead they are already pushing the narrative that the election will be 'stolen' from them."
People who are winning don't start complaining that the game is rigged against them. Trumpites are showing their hand--they sense impending doom.
Which isn't to say things couldn't turn around--look where we were a few weeks back. But as it stands now, this isn't looking good for him.
Blogger sinz52 said...
"Their idea of a male role model is Conan the Barbarian."
Bill Clinton raped and assaulted multiple women. Hillary sent thugs after them to intimidate and demean them.
You are a disgusting human being.
Trump was never going to get any feminists to support him, so I don't think these revelations in themselves have a large impact on his viability. But even a small impact will hurt him in a race that's as close as this one appears to be. What does have an impact is that Trump has to fight the establishment GOP who are deserting him, the Dems, a media who has put a bounty on his head, and even the UN, who are calling for his destruction. Unfortunately for his supporters-- and those of us who want the Clintons to lose-- Trump is a buffoon who doesn't fight as well as they believed-- and we hoped-- he would.
I've never liked Trump. (What I find most disgusting is his talking about his daughter's body on the Howard Stern Show-- what kind of a man does that?) But I'll never vote for the Clintons. My state is blue so my vote doesn't count, therefore I'll probably write-in someone or vote for the stoners. But if I were in a swing state, I'd vote for Trump because I believe in the rule of law. Hillary Clinton would be in jail, if she were anyone else, over her mishandling of classified documents and destruction of emails. She will corrupt the office of the Presidency, she may get us into a shooting war, there is a high probability that she dies or becomes seriously incapacitated while in office-- and we the people will never be informed who is actually running the country-- and she'll be a divider of Americans; I could go on, but for the sake of brevity I'll leave it at that. But the Clintons are a force to be reckoned with, and unless the polls are tainted, I have resigned myself to the fact she'll likely win-- long live the queen.
Buwaya,
Great comment. The only thing that confounds Chinese leaders about the US is how entrepreneurial Americans are. You can't teach entrepreneurial initiative, you can only smother it. Star Trek platitudes from the president and White House science fairs help
honor and reinforce conformity of thought. People with inititiative don't look to their teachers or the government for
pats on the back.
Matt
Perhaps. There are many many pissed off people hiding in the many corners of our society who might not speak until the election.
I, for one, have taken five or six polls always answering I will vote for Hillary and that I am a woman. And I might not be the only one. No reason for Dems to go to the polls on election day if Hillary has it locked, no?
sunsong
There is nothing more sad than politicians describing "big thinking." Embarassing. Look at Obama's idea. Absurd.
My favorite was the fool McCain who vouchsafed that a "prize" of $100 million would result in a battery that could power an engine that could go across the country. One Hundred Million Dollars. That is what genius McCain thought would get the job done, the out of the box big idea. Well, John, try one hundred billion then you are in the zip code for the worth of such a battery.
Politicians. Tiny thinkers. Science fair people. Blue ribbon guys
@Night Owl. Plenty of Dems are also disgusted with their candidate and plan to vote third party. I hope you decide to vote Trump - you never know it could make a difference.
Compare this to the transgendered bathroom/changing room kerfuffle.
note how they are scared when a man walks in "I need tochange quick, there's a man in here!".
So, back to transgendered men in womens restrooms and chaging rooms. Think of the reaction that these woemen have when they say they see Trump walk in. THeyre' naked!
But now think about the reaction the left has to parents who don
t want men in womens rooms. TRANSPHOBIC!
If its a legitimate concern, enough for where the media is going to leak it to damange Trump why would the left poo pooh it as a bigoted response.
The transgender bathroom laws would allow a man to enter a womans room, simply by saying that he identifies as a woman. No proof required. He doest have to BE transgendered, he just has to identify as transgendered. or, say he identifies as transngedered if anyone asked him. Which no one would, lest they seem Transphobic.
If that wasn't a bother for you, please dont get outraged at Trump, a man, walking into a womans room. Suddenly you discovered that men in womens room is the very reason we have separate changing rooms?
Wait! Aren't the Democrats' consorts boycotting North Carolina to gain access to females' locker rooms by males because gender is just a construct?
What's going on here?
by the way, in the article it says: Eleven of that year’s contestants reached by BuzzFeed News did not recall seeing Trump in the dressing room. Some said they do not believe he could have been there.
So is this just a hit piece?
On Howard stern Trump joked about pageants not necessarily the teen pageant. (so, the author of this piece is suggesting that he went into pageants of teens, as oppsoed to dressing rooms of women.
and he will say it was a joke. And it seemed like the whole bit was tongue in cheek. Since all sides were asking outrageous questions and he was perhaps taking the bait and jokes about the things you could do to get the ladies in the pageant.
"Co-host Robin Quivers then asked Trump if sleeping with the contestants could be construed as a conflict of interest.
"It could be a conflict of interest," Trump said. "But, you know, it's the kind of thing you worry about later, you tend to think about the conflict a little bit later on."
Stern then put on a fake foreign accent, saying that "some of these foreign girls" say hello "with vagina."
"Well, what you could also say is that, as the owner of the pageant, it's your obligation to do that,"
"Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that before a show, I'll go backstage and everyone's getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it," Trump said. "You know, I'm inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good."
"You know, the dresses. 'Is everyone okay?' You know, they're standing there with no clothes. 'Is everybody okay?' And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I've been very good,"
they are all joking about ways around the conflict of interst in getting the women on the show. BUt he says "well I'll tell you the funniest.." and then he outlines going back stage and saying "is everyone ok? Is everyond good?
He's playing out the funniest way... in his view to get around the confict of interest. AS A JOKE.
He previously said " what you could also say is that, as the owner of the pageant, it's your obligation to do that" In other words, you could use your position as the owenr to tell the ladeies that its their obligation to sleep with him as the owner.
I other words, these are things you could say (jokingly) as a means of getting around the conflict that you're not supposed to sleep with girls.
He endsd with.... "But I've been good" Meaning, HE DIDNT DO THOSE THINGS.
SErioulsy people. You have to recognize he's on the howard stern show. They are being irreverant. Just beucase he said this, doest make it true.
Michael said...
"I, for one, have taken five or six polls always answering I will vote for Hillary and that I am a woman. And I might not be the only one."
So you're predicting Trump could win because of odd polling anecdotal evidence that you did? LOL. That's weird dude. I am pretty sure the 'men pretending to be women, pretending to vote for Hillary' is a very small demographic. But if you think that when you see polls then fine. Good luck with that.
Brando said...
"Instead they are already pushing the narrative that the election will be 'stolen' from them."
People who are winning don't start complaining that the game is rigged against them. Trumpites are showing their hand--they sense impending doom.
Which isn't to say things couldn't turn around--look where we were a few weeks back. But as it stands now, this isn't looking good for him.
10/12/16, 3:13 PM
While I was idly thinking about you, I went to one of your blogs and noted this passage:
3) Romney's major damage actually happened during the primaries, when cannibalistic attacks from the smarmy likes of Gingrich and Santorum ended up driving the eventual nominee's negatives up to unprecedented levels for a major party nominee. The GOP tends to "eat their own" in these primaries, leaving their nominee broke and unpopular and in need of wasting precious time trying to bring their party together. Even the Democrats' 2008 primary didn't mortally wound their nominee. What is it about the Republicans?
Yes, what is it about the Republicans? Always eating their own.
--Ah, but this time it's different?
in fact, upon rereading that Transcript its CLEAR he's telling a joke about what he'd do, not what he did.
"Well, I'll tell you the funniest (Funniest what? Funniest excuse the boss could use to get women in the pageant to act out with him). They are making jokes about excuses. He says Well I'll tell you the funniest. What ELSE would the funniest mean?
" is that before a show, I'll go backstage and everyone's getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it," Trump said. "You know, I'm inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good."
If instead of saying I'll go, read I WILL go. THose are the excuses he would make as to why he's in the dressing room. And they are absurd excuses. As if the head of the pageant alone would go into the dressing room and say only he could inspect the dresses. Come ON. This is clearly comedy.
"You know, the dresses. 'Is everyone okay?' You know, they're standing there with no clothes. 'Is everybody okay?' And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I've been very good,"
He is roll playing himself doing these ridiculous excuses as the owner as a joke
He goes back again to BUT NO.. I've been Good. As in, but no, those things dont actually happen. We COULD do all those thigns as the owner. But no, it didnt happen.
Not serious. Joke. Stop with the with hunt already.
@cacimbo cacimbo
This is MA we're talking about. He's currently polling at 29% to Hillary's 50%. If the polls on election day indicate he has a chance, I'll vote for him. Otherwise I may write-in my dog. It will reflect my belief that we have become an unserious country, and that this election cycle is a bad joke to me.
From Wikileaks:
*For my question*, it’s basically some variation of [not quite phrased right yet]: I know when I talk to my friends who are attorneys we are all struggling with what happened to the emails and aren’t satisfied with answers to date. While we all know of the occasional use of personal email addresses for business, none of my friends circle can understand how it was viewed as ok/secure/appropriate to use a private server for secure documents AND why further Hillary took it upon herself to review them and delete documents without providing anyone outside her circle a chance to weigh in. It smacks of acting above the law and it smacks of the type of thing I’ve either gotten discovery sanctions for, fired people for, etc.
This is a rather minor offense in Trump land. As we all learned during the primaries, what he did to independent contractors he didn't pay and the gullible people who gave thousands of dollars to attend his "University" was far more exploitative.
But it does reinforce a few things we've learned about Trump.
1) He compulsively seeks the approval of people he deems high status.
2) He brags and jokes about his ability to abuse power.
Were any of the girls who said Trump barged in on them the minimum-pageant-entry age of 14?
“…The Republican Party is imploding four weeks before Election Day, and Donald Trump is reveling in it.
“In the wake of GOP leaders and lawmakers severing ties with him, Donald Trump declared war on the party he will represent on the ticket in November, slamming House Speaker Paul Ryan as “weak and ineffective” and essentially encouraging his backers to reject the candidates down the ballot who don’t support him. This approach, combined with elements of his debate performance in St. Louis, raises questions about his commitment to winning the presidency and puts the party in free fall…”
realclear politics
People don't share their Hillary tapes. They are worried about be decapitated by a sheet of glass flying off a truck. Or a lightening rod falling off in a storm impaling them.
The real story would be if there weren't any tapes of Trump saying stuff like this. The most hilarious part is how suddenly everyone is so Victorian and Augustinian. When it comes to sex and nudity, Americans are freakishly prudish, until they aren't.
This is actually a series of good illustration of the war between the commoners and the elites--the latter are generally pretentious twits far more immoral than the working class ever dreamed of being (which is one reason the working class loves watching movies and TV sows about the immoral elitist twats.)
This is actually a series of good illustration of the war between the commoners and the elites--the latter are generally pretentious twits far more immoral than the working class ever dreamed of being
It's more than that. The "elites" go to Ivy league schools and boys marry girls and they have children and live lives that resemble the Bourgeois lives they disdain. The lower classes listen to their advice and fuck up their lives beyond salvage.
Do you think upper class couples have unisex bathrooms ? Look at "Architectural Digest" for crissakes !
This is what Charles Murray was worried about in "The Bell Curve." Not black IQ. Nobody can do anything about that except lie.
He was worried about assortive mating at elite colleges.
The dirty little secret, which some of us are starting to suspect, is that those elites are incompetent at running anything.
How about the disaster the "Quants" gave us in 2008 ?
Then the model fell apart. Cracks started appearing early on, when financial markets began behaving in ways that users of Li's formula hadn't expected. The cracks became full-fledged canyons in 2008—when ruptures in the financial system's foundation swallowed up trillions of dollars and put the survival of the global banking system in serious peril.
David X. Li, it's safe to say, won't be getting that Nobel anytime soon. One result of the collapse has been the end of financial economics as something to be celebrated rather than feared. And Li's Gaussian copula formula will go down in history as instrumental in causing the unfathomable losses that brought the world financial system to its knees.
Well, it's OK because they are now running Obama's and Hillary's governments.
That will work out well.
Matt
Actually I am predicting Trump will win because blacks and Hispanics will be led to believe that Hillary is a shoe in and thus no need to rouse themselves to hit the voting booth. Not so much the millions who are pissed to their marrow.
This monumental disaster named Trump is your guy, you wanted him to burn it all down for you, but what's happening is he's burning down the Republican Party and the conservative movement. Liberals and Democrats will win the Presidency for generations to come and the Congress will probably land back in Democratic hands again, if not in 2016, by 2018/20. You people are now reaping what you've sown. Democrats will win in the biggest landslide in history. I told you so.
"Liberals and Democrats will win the Presidency for generations to come and the Congress will probably land back in Democratic hands again, if not in 2016, by 2018/20. "
Or maybe...
Hillary is in poor health, and according to her own aide she is often addled and confused. As president, when she screws things up in such a way that even the press can't effectively cover up for her--and she will-- she ends up like Bush I after Reagan, a one-term president. Or she may end up like Nixon and have another historic first -- the first female president to be driven out of office.
Who can say ...
But it does seem fitting that Hillary should get to inherit the mess she helped create in the ME. That karma can be such a bitch.
"Yes, what is it about the Republicans? Always eating their own.
--Ah, but this time it's different?"
No different this time--in fact, a lot worse. Republicans tend to fear and hate each other more than the Democrats they are supposed to oppose. And it's probably going to be even worse after this election.
Night Owl said...
@cacimbo cacimbo
This is MA we're talking about. He's currently polling at 29% to Hillary's 50%. If the polls on election day indicate he has a chance, I'll vote for him. Otherwise I may write-in my dog. It will reflect my belief that we have become an unserious country, and that this election cycle is a bad joke to me.
10/12/16, 5:36 PM
No, NO, it's important. This could go to the courts and every penny in the jar of popular votes may sway decisions made in the Supreme Court or Congress. Your vote might count a little, and who knows? For want of a nail a kingdom was lost.
I'm glad you brought up his confession to murder.
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