June 5, 2016

"So I guess the biggest takeaway is, yes, this election cycle is bizarre. But it's no more bizarre than the election in 1800..."

"... wherein Jefferson accused Adams of being a hermaphrodite and Adams responded by [spreading rumors] that Jefferson died, so Adams would be the only viable candidate. He was counting on news to travel slow! That, weirdly, gives me hope."

Said Lin-Manuel Miranda (creator of the very popular musical "Hamilton") in his Rolling Stone interview, which is also prominently quoted in Maureen Dowd's new column, "John Adams Was a Hermaphrodite?"

Dowd's column is mostly about Hillary's unlikability and Trump's wily fighting style. I'll just quote this, because it made me laugh (and it's arguably genitalia-related):
Trump speculated at his rally that Hillary might share sensitive information with her aide Huma Abedin who might share it with her husband, saying: “I know Anthony Weiner. I don’t want him knowing anything. And I never, ever want him to tweet me.”

So, of course, Weiner tweated [sic] immediately and incoherently: “Wait, is he talking to me. I’ll hit that guy with so many rights, he’ll be begging for a left.”
Anyway... did Jefferson say Adams was a hermaphrodite? I found this:
Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."

In return, Adams' men called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."

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Saint Croix said...

How many languages do you think there are, S.C.?

Touché!

As they say in France.

Who may or may not be a race of people.

Michael K said...

"
Genetic Study Confirms Aboriginal Australians Have Been Isolated For 50,000 Years, and the Australians were more isolated than Amerindians and are also about 5% Denisovan."

THey are also a very small group, the African bushmen are also isolated. Also a minuscule population,

Saint Croix said...

Non-pygmy Africans,
Pygmies,
Europeans,
N.E. Asians,
S./S.E. Asians,
Melanesians,
Amerindians


You're going with Northeast Asian? As a race?

I feel like you've given up on genetics and you're going with geography.

Europe, that kills me.

So when La Raza says they are the race, that's Spanish for "European"?

khesanh0802 said...

I think Trump should have kept his comments to himself in this case and let his lawyers do the talking.

However he has some points: As pointed out above if a judge were a member of a KKK lawyers booster group one would question his "bona fides"; in a fit of pique the judge released papers that were either not to be released or substantially redacted - I don't care what he said at the time,he reacted in anger; the hidden agenda of so many in power needs to be exposed - Curiel's may (or may not) be harmless but he has an agenda.

AReasonableMan said...

Saint Croix said...
How many races do you think there are


This is a very good question, similar to the question 'how long is the coastline of Britain?'. When it comes to the classification of biological organisms 'species' is generally viewed as the most 'real' grouping, with everything else being a bit vague. But even species can be more ambiguous than most people realize.

Humans are remarkably good at distinguishing individual humans, one from one other, so it is not surprising that they are drawn to making more broad groupings, such as pin heads or fatties. The biological delineation between these groupings is not always razor sharp.

Achilles said...

Saint Croix said...
"How many languages do you think there are, S.C.?

Touché!

As they say in France.

Who may or may not be a race of people."

And there we get to the heart of the issue. If we couched this discussion in terms of culture instead of race it would be more accurate and less quarrelsome. But the progressives avoid discussion of culture at all costs and wish us to be divided. So the media blabs out race race racist racey race.

Most of these issues have more to do with whether the society is fundamentally protestant, catholic, Hindu, Muslim or what have you. But the left wants a secular culture with central planners as the object of worship. This is the reason race is such a popular topic. among them.

buwaya puti said...

You know, one little cheap genetic test would fix Elizabeth Warrens problem. It's @$95. I just sent for mine. My wife is 23% Native American and 2% Eskimo, so accounting for her Mexican ancestors. This sort of thing is pretty clear.

Achilles said...

AReasonableMan said...

"Humans are remarkably good at distinguishing individual humans, one from one other, so it is not surprising that they are drawn to making more broad groupings, such as pin heads or fatties. The biological delineation between these groupings is not always razor sharp."

This is a local issue. The average American can't tell the difference between a Korean and a Chinese person or a Phillipino or a vietnamese person. But they can tell the difference. And boy do they all hate each other.

Another thing is that in the US until recently we were Majority white and it used to be Wops and Limeys. Now that the white population is interbred so successfully that is hard to differentiate anymore. So naturally we go for other differences.

Discussing racism would be an interesting topic if some people were actually interested in ending it. But there are forces intent on keeping us angry and divided so we can't really discuss it without anger and misery.

Achilles said...

Elizabeth Warren is a prime example of why we can't have nice things. Some well meaning fool(Nixon, yeah that guy) came up with a set of programs meant to help poor black people. So what happens? Some douchey rich white bitch attends ivy league schools and lies on her job applications to get positions set aside for minorities.

Getting the government involved like this invariably leads to failure.

Michael K said...

The progress of genetics is going to make all this very, very difficult to figure out.

There are lots of diseases that represent evolutionary influences. One example is the black matter of high blood pressure. There may be a salt retention gene related to hot climate.

Mexican -Amerindian mixes have diabetes and other features that are evolution related. Mexican people often have Amerindian mtDNA, which is maternal, but Spanish Y chromosomes. Asians have Y chromosomes fro Genghis Khan and his sons.

It's going to be interesting to get all this past the PC censors.

Linguistics includes analysis of pronouns that are now banned by some political jurisdictions.

Interesting times and it isn't all Trump.

Rusty said...

Saint Croix said...
How many races do you think there are

How many people are sucking at the public teat?

Achilles said...

Michael K said...

"It's going to be interesting to get all this past the PC censors."

As with every racist progressive policy the negative effects of their racism, in this case medically, on a minority is merely an opportunity to sow more hate and division.

Kirk Parker said...

Mariam,

As a US citizen myself, I greatly appreciate buwaya's perspective. Yours, not do much.

narciso said...

as with d'nesh d'souza, whose pointed commentary earned subjected him to targeted prosecution,

Saint Croix said...

as with d'nesh d'souza, whose pointed commentary earned subjected him to targeted prosecution

Donnie is not being prosecuted, Narciso, he's being sued.

What this means is that Donnie has not been targeted by the government. He's being sued by ordinary people, who trusted him with their money, and feel betrayed.

I do think Dinesh D'Souza was targeted because he was a Republican. And, even more damning to the left, a Republican with dark skin. I wish the left has some sort of conscience in this regard.

Unknown said...

#CrazyDonald wants to choose who can judge him whether it is by race, religion or whatever his fancy. Taking this to its logical conclusion, every individual can also choose which Judge should judge them whether it is by race, religion or whatever.

If #CrazyDonald can choose the Judge he wants then we can all do so too.

Way to go #CrazyDonald, way to go.

Saint Croix said...

The Dinesh prosecution was like the Clarence Thomas hit job. Ugly and racist.

It was done to a private citizen, though, so most of us did not notice. The media does not give a shit about racism to brown Republicans. Or white Republicans.

Saint Croix said...

Back to Donnie.

If he wasn't so money-obsessed, he would have settled this case and moved on to his presidential aspirations. Instead he's obsessed and focused on saving every bit of his own money that he can. And he's making racial comments about his judge, not to help his campaign, but because he's money-obsessed and trying to save every bit of his money that he can.

Newt Gingrich is a big fan of Donnie, and wants to be his vice-president. He's been super-fair to Donnie, way more fair than I have been. But he doesn't bother trying to defend this.

Donald Trump is a big sloppy guy, and he goes, "We're trying to build a wall with Mexico, and this guy is Mexican." He was born in Indiana. (So maybe he's an Indian?) Anyway, the Clown Prince of Politics is still in shit-throwing mode.

And of course he has a point! I'll bet you at some point the lawyer version of La Raza changes their name, or this particular judge quietly drops his membership, or both. I"m not betting money on this, people can be arrogant. But Donald Trump is not the first citizen to wonder if his judge is fair, or a racist.

Yes, Donnie is embarrassing himself, as usual, and embarrassing the people around him, as usual. But he's also embarrassing the people he's attacking, too, I think.

Rusty said...

Race has ceased to be a matter of melanin and more a matter of political clout.

Michael K said...

"way more fair than I have been"

No kidding.

Well, I'm sure you will love Hillary, although I expect she will have health problems after the FBI report comes out of it leaked by angry agents,

Anglelyne said...

Saint Croix: You're going with Northeast Asian? As a race?

I feel like you've given up on genetics and you're going with geography.


...because geography has absolutely nothing to do with evolved traits...[eye roll]

SC, you're far gone into "not even wrong" territory here. How 'bout you stop babbling about a subject you obviously know nothing about and go read up on the basics? Odd how people can be so emotionally invested in an issue, and yet can't be arsed to actually learn anything about it.


Michael K: It's going to be interesting to get all this past the PC censors.

Oh, it gets past, but not without the reader sometimes having to wade through a lot of kowtowing digressions. Reading textbooks on human evolutionary genetics is a positively Soviet experience, sometimes.

Fernandinande said...

Anglelyne said...
Reading textbooks on human evolutionary genetics is a positively Soviet experience, sometimes.


Epigenetics is their latest attempt at Lysenkoism.

How many colors are there?

tim in vermont said...

Biologically there is but one race,

No, biologically we are but one species. But medicine, for example, is showing more and more racial differences in disease susceptibility and even treatment. You can't just throw out a word because you don't like what it implies. Well, I guess you can try. But we probably need more words, not less, to accurately describe what is going on. Polar bears and grizzly bears easily interbreed. Are they one species, two races? I guess it depends on your politics, but we probably need a word for classes of animals that can successfully interbreed, because "species" has been corrupted as hopelessly as "race" by politics. All taxonomy is political; would that it were not so.

tim in vermont said...

It seems like whackos have latched onto epigenetics in the same way the latched onto the uncertainty principle, extrapolating far beyond its scientific basis. IDK, that is just from a cursory glance at the Wikipedia.

Scott said...

My DNA shows 3.3% Neanderthal. Here's an interesting article.

http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2016/06/06/neanderthal-inbreeding-left-mark-on-our-genome/

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