"We’re the smartest people, we’re the most loyal people, and you know what I’m happy about? Because I’ve been saying it for a long time. 46% were the Hispanics—46%, number one with Hispanics. I’m really happy about that.... We’re going to keep—as you know Gitmo, we’re keeping that open, and we’re going to load it up with bad dudes. We’re going to load it up with a lot of bad dudes out there. We’re going to have our borders nice and strong. We’re going to build the wall, you know that. We’re going to build the wall. And I have a lot of respect from Mexico and you just heard we won Hispanics. But let me tell you Mexico is going to pay for the wall, right? It’s going to happen. It’s going to happen. They know it. I know it. We all know it.... We’re going to be the smart people. We’re not going to be the people that get pushed around all over the place. We’re going to be the smart people. You’re going to be proud of your president, and you’re going to be even prouder of your country, OK?"
Donald Trump, on winning Nevada. Full text. Full video:
I'm adding the "pride" tag. His theme is pride — self esteem. I think the message is: Even if you're poorly educated — especially if you are poorly educated — you are smart, and you are American, and you should feel great. All those other politicians look down on you, and they look down on the country. They insult it. They use the worst insults, like "racist." They'd have you believe that it's racist to say "Make America great again" and to want to preserve the benefits of America for Americans and to increase those selfishly guarded benefits. But it's not something to be ashamed of, it's being smart. And he's very smart, and we — you, with me leading the way — "are going to be the smart people."
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261 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 261 of 261Matt: "WHO ever claims to be uneducated? Do people voluntarily stand up or rise their hand to claim they are poorly educated?"
Not to worry. Those types have no difficulty whatsoever making themselves known.
"Point taken. You're an elitist who pretends to be 'simple folk'."
No, you did not take my point, Matt. In fact, you got it exactly backwards. Intentionally I suspect.
If you truly want to understand the Trump populism phenomenon, I think you'll need to educate yourself to why the idea that "I love the poorly educated" is a shibboleth and a collectively self-deprecating in-joke. You will need a new math, however.
Hint: Trump ≠ Mao.
We know for a fact that Trump is not Mao as the lefties are not pouring out of the woodwork to support Trump as they would for every other leftist totalitarian mass-murderer.
Wait a minute, I thought Trump was Hitler. What's this Mao crap?
You see? While Matt is waving Catcher In the Rye, AllenS is waving Mein Kampf.
No one is waving The Little Red Book.
Except for the Chinese...
...who are KILLING US!!!.
How would you know what GE would love? The normal business practice of large American corporations is to regard American workers as the last resort. They give first preference to non-American workers.
How would you know I don't know what GE would love?
"One loser plus another loser equals a winner, yeah you and Jonah Goldberg have got the ticket".- Dreams
I take it you're a Trump supporter? You've got the insults down.
But other than that (the insults), what does Trump stand for? What proposals (other than the demagoguery) has Trump proposed that we can trust he will follow through on?
What I hear from him is first, an outrageous or controversial statement, followed with waffling. It seems to be a pattern with him.
The country has serious problems and the national debt/economic malaise is the most serious IMO. Trump is going to make America great again-- but how is he going to do that?
Q said...
You're writing words but not actually saying anything
You're writing letter but not actually saying anything, Q.
Concerning that poll about Democrats being down with socialism, I've seen a lot of conservative commentary trying to explain that it, without exception it was all bullshit.
The single most important reason that the United States did not fall into communism or hard socialism is that for most people the US economic system worked. People could get jobs, support their families, buy homes, send their kids to college so they could learn to be ungrateful louts and improve their lot in life.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/04/news/economy/american-dream/index.html
Watch this video. Very impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6GEMfONNkY&ebc=ANyPxKqIky0fjJ3riZky4lDJK-SzW8v7jA9s78W68dacdQhw_7_A6xcgPPnKHcfUlwiFw4dHAP0YnF97xiL0b4UEqARZcTiVsg
Brian E
I presume you have read Trump's positions on his website and do not consider them as positions?
You offer horse race bull shit. I already know all that bull shit and I assume I will get the same results I have not liked in the past.
Feel free. Provide support for the most corrupt candidate we've ever had run for the White House. That is standing up for principle.
I'm a Cruz guy. I'll vote for any of the 3 top GOP nominees because all 3 are vastly better options than Hillary. Any misgivings I have about any of them are DWARFED by the huge shit show that is Clinton.
Dreams @ 2:25pm
I watched the video and didn't hear anything of substance. Don Jr. says his Dad is speaking for the middle class/blue collar worker. Great---I think we've figured that out. He's a populist. He's a nationalist.
The problem with populism as a strategy is once unleashed, it becomes subject to all sorts of forces. When does populism morph into mob rule?
Bernie is also riding a populist message (the communist kind), not as successfully as Tump-- but is that as much due to the energy of a Trump as to any particular message?
Burning down the house because we don't like the residents doesn't mean a better house will be built in its place.
I used to have a Little Red Book that Mao wrote, Meade. In fact, I had a handful of them. I was living in St Paul MN at the time, and renting the bottom half of a house, and used to notice the owner's son going back and forth to the basement of the place. There was a room down there that had a padlock on it, so one day, being the locksmith that I was, I picked the lock, and inside of the room there was two fairly large cardboard boxes fill with Little Red Books. I grabbed a handful, closed the lock, and that was that. It is a stupid book written for stupid people.
"The problem with populism as a strategy is once unleashed, it becomes subject to all sorts of forces. When does populism morph into mob rule?"
We have a two term limit for our president so your concern is unfounded especially relative to the wrong direction of our country and the unstable world situation which was made much worse by Obama and Hillary who will be our next president unless she and the corrupt media can be stopped.
Trump is a celebrity politician like Silvio Berlusconi, Jesse Ventura, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Would he be a good president? IDK, however I am certain that Clinton/Sanders would not.
" I grabbed a handful, closed the lock, and that was that."
Cool! You liberated Mao's Little Red Book.
"I thought Trump was Hitler. What's this Mao crap?"
Dang, I was sure he was Caligula, or at least Nero.
I think I'm going to go see the guy speak in person. Is he my candidate? No. But his candidacy is so odd, so unexpected, so wild, it's historic. I want to see it up close. I want to meet the people who love him and find out what they think.
ken in tx: "Trump is a celebrity politician like Silvio Berlusconi, Jesse Ventura, and Arnold Schwarzenegger."
Berlusconi yes.
Ventura and Schwarzenegger not at all.
Let's not get too far afield here.
I will ask again, because nobody has an answer yet:
How will a President Trump overcome the bureaucracy? Give me anything. Nobody has any thoughts on this issue?
Will State support Trump?
Will the CIA leak?
Will DOJ act in support of Trumpian policy directives?
I am witness to the magical thinking but I will not indulge it.
Meade said...
AllenS is waving Mein Kampf.
Where in the hell is that come from? What an absolutely stupid comment.
It came from your 1:50 PM comment. What — you don't get your own humor?
"How will a President Trump overcome the bureaucracy? Give me anything. Nobody has any thoughts on this issue?"
That is always a problem, especially for a Republican president because most government workers are Democrat, the Democrats like to feed at the government trough.
Paco Wové said...
"I thought Trump was Hitler. What's this Mao crap?"
Dang, I was sure he was Caligula, or at least Nero.
Charlemagne, dudes, Charlemagne.
That's my candidate for the the most spandex-enriched, full-retard, doesn't-even-qualify-as-specious, wild grasping after historical analogy yet.
dreams:
Yes, always a problem. The Leftward drag of the Bureaucracy simply is.
And how can it be resisted?
"Yes, always a problem. The Leftward drag of the Bureaucracy simply is.
And how can it be resisted?"
I don't know, maybe they can be Trumped.
dreams:
That "maybe" is doing an awful lot of work there. Good gracious, but a guy who is not a rock-ribbed conservative, who likes to make deals, is now going to win against the 4.2 million federal employees?
Oh, to be so religious as to believe in anything that strongly.
Dammit, I want two walls. And make them beautiful.
Birkel: How will a President Trump overcome the bureaucracy? Give me anything. Nobody has any thoughts on this issue?
Will State support Trump?
Will the CIA leak?
Will DOJ act in support of Trumpian policy directives?
How does any president overcome bureaucratic opposition and inertia? You're apparently too stupid to follow your little set-up here to its logical conclusion: that we have no choice but to keep electing Democrats, or at best some neo-cons re State, regardless of how disastrous for the country we think their policy goals are.
I am witness to the magical thinking but I will not indulge it.
Nobody gives a shit, Queen Birkel, about what you deign to indulge or not indulge as you barrel into the terminal stages of drama-queen meltdown.
Anglelyne:
I am happy that Donald Trump says he loves you.
I am happy that Donald Trump says he loves you.
Ooohh Bernnnn....
"Blessed are the shit slingers, for they shall vote for Cruz."
I'm surprised Trump hasn't gone into "you're fired" mode.
I had hoped for a candidate who'd run on real reform, restoring some shred of accountability to government. If Trump would start going on tears about firing heads of all the corrupt and incompetent agencies, it might actually change my mind about him.
My hope if that either Cruz or Rubio figures out this strategy first though, day one- meet with all of the IGs.
Birkel
One handles bureaucrats in Govt. in the same way one handles them in business. One begins by making their lives fucking miserable If they are entrenched by virtue of a union you defang them by putting them in charge of nothing while not replacing them in the job they were already not doing. If they are not entrenched you fire them. If you work for a bureaucracy that is redundant or unnecessary you muster your congressional support to eliminate the department entirely or, again, defang it financially or by removing its authority. You do not sign bills that are abstract and leave the actual writing and rule making to bureaucrats.
Trump won't be positioning himself for post presidency riches.
tim in vermont:
Did you see what Anglelyne typed at me? But I get that you have chosen a team and must defend your team's players.
Do go on about how you are not following a Cult of Personality.
CStanley:
I share your hope that Trump will announce something about tackling the bureaucratic bloat. Anything at all will do.
Michael:
I will be here to remind people if their hopes are not realized. It will be great fun to be correct but even better for the country if I am wrong. I desperately hope I am wrong.
Do go on about how you are not following a Cult of Personality.
I am acting more on the basis of repulsion than attraction. There is nobody in this race I will vote *for*. I will mark down the name of whichever Republican wins the nomination though if its Hillary.
Food Fight!
Birkel
Oh, no! You mean you are going to be sticking around to tell us how right you were? LOL.
Can barely see or hear you up there on your high horse. Don't get bucked off there cowboy or you might not be around to tell us how right you were.
Concern trolling can flat cause saddle sores too.
"Anglelyne:
I am happy that Donald Trump says he loves you."
"Nobody gives a shit, Queen Birkel, about what you deign to indulge or not indulge as you barrel into the terminal stages of drama-queen meltdown."
Not just Donald Trump. Hard not to love the girl when she speaks so!
Don't worry, Michael.
My track record in these matters is spectacular.
Birkel
"Rearview Birkel". LOL.
China is taking notice.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/china-warns-u-s-after-trump-wins-nevada-caucus/
I can only take that to mean that Trump's rhetoric regarding China is spot-on.
Hard day at work. Look at this effin thread! Instapundit pointed me over here. I will have to start at the beginning and read the [mostly] smart remarks of the Althouse commentariat.
But, in case nobody has thought of this today: Maybe a President Trump would force the Congress to do its job in the manner prescribed by the Founders. Maybe President Trump would allow the 10th Amendment to be restored, so that the 50 states could all be laboratories of democracy, because the Prez is sort of a crazy guy. Trump is a wild card and Clinton is a criminal. In Oregon we will vote up the criminal, probably.
Glad to hear that Trump would love my poorly educated grandparents, one of whom was a socialist, another a rabid anti-semite, and at least three of them undocumented immigrants.
The poorly educated must include anybody who attended Chicago, Detroid, Chicago, etc. public schools.
Birkel: "Yes, always a problem. The Leftward drag of the Bureaucracy simply is.
And how can it be resisted?"
Is this the part where we are all supposed to pretend that Trump is uniquely ill-positioned as a republican to attack the bureaucracy?
This immediately after the McConnell/Ryan budget express left the station with a full head of steam headed directly to "Full Funding for All Obama Policies Without Even a Fight"-city.
Yeah, that Trump. He's sure to let us down.
tcrosse: "The poorly educated must include anybody who attended Chicago, Detroid, Chicago, etc. public schools."
Chicago, the city so not-nice it was called out twice!
It's been explained at least twice in this thread... Trump's over-educated and poorly-educated lines were meant as sarcasm, it was humor directed at disassembling one of the great divides between red and blue states. I thought it was genius in the few words he used and by the response of the crowd, even the poorly-educated among them got it.
My marker has been placed.
Can someone direct me to the Rubio/Kasich/Bush et al detailed plans for attacking the bureaucracy?
Thanks in advance.
Steven Davis: "It's been explained at least twice in this thread..."
Indeed it has. And once again, as a Cruz supporter I continue to marvel at Trumps communication ability wherein he offers up a short phrase or comment which cuts thru to the core of some voting blocks sets of beliefs.
I only wonder if it is truly intentional or simply a knack that Trump employs without thinking.
Of course, by wording it that way it's sure to invite comments along the lines of 'Hey, Trump says things without thinking all the time!!'. To which I would reply: You don't win the nomination by winning states.....
Someday you'll know the team ptb assembled to do this hostile takeover as he's done other times. What a play book they must have created at his direction. Likely sent them back many times to get it done right. No different than any other hard negotiation he won by knowing the adversaries' business better than they did. For instance How to get a million dollars of media from one sentence that resonates so strongly the foundations shake? A book of them to pull out when the suckers invite the punch and leave them unable to lift a finger. You think mr. Mc. withstood torture? The Korean war and the commies taught everyone that waterboarding always works. elite sensibilities be d@mned. SERE's later use was to teach your folks there's no shame in giving it. So those who were willing to sacrifice all for you could stay sane and non-suicidal. No secret McCain's dad and grandad owned the pacific war plans, offense and defense. A frequent topic at their table. And when told he couldn't fly over Vietnam because of what he knew He refused as many would in his position, pride over reason. simple Art of the Deal jujitsu. Leave them gasping and helpless to counter. Immigration. Wager his team know that at least half go home to visit with family and friends once or more a decade. And how slowing or stopping remittances of even legal immigrants will bring out the guillotines for the ruling parties to say nothing of "that's a nice tourist business you have, isn't it?" you'll get whiplash watching the wall of prestressed concreate poured in place being tilted up. Might be done in six months or less If done at the pace of other pTb simple construction jobs, especially when the Mexican government decides this is more life threatening than not buying off the caudillos. For good will, they'll probably hire all the U.S. construction firms in Ysleta and pay bonuses for early delivery. All of whose residents will vote for your pTb. Like taking candy from a baby.
Trump is a phenomenon that can only exist because Americans are unwilling to free themselves from their dependency on government welfare. Rather than face the reality that the government will never be able to pay for all of the entitlements and solve the problem the only way that will work (which is each of us declining our own personal share of the benefits, and voting people into office that will stop offering them to us) we distract ourselves with clowns making promises that they simply will never be able to fulfill.
This is the last gasp of the dying idea of America. We have raided the coffers and are unwilling to accept the reality that we now need to provide for ourselves.
@rehajm, no, you figure it out. I'm retired after a career in high tech that began in 1967 with time out to be a Vietnam-era draftee and to go to graduate school on the GI Bill. I've been everywhere and seen it all. You come across to me as a sniveling sophist who neither knows about, nor has the reasoning capacity to understand, what happens to real people in a real world when wage-busting is actively encouraged by the federal government.
Amen, Big Mike.
Drago: Can someone direct me to the Rubio/Kasich/Bush et al detailed plans for attacking the bureaucracy?
Perhaps they're hidden under that mysterious "marker" that Birkel has been portentously picking up and putting down again.
Big Mike: You come across to me as a sniveling sophist who neither knows about, nor has the reasoning capacity to understand, what happens to real people in a real world when wage-busting is actively encouraged by the federal government.
rehajm is a garden-variety internet economics airhead. All regurgitation of chamber-of-commerce press-release bullet-points, no indication that they've read, let alone understood, any of the names or principles they spout. You can predict what they're going to say (because it doesn't vary according to specific issues raised), and the order in which they're going to say it, right down to the exact points in a thread when they'll start beep-booping "lump of labor falllacy!", and start flinging snot about your being a loser who can't compete in the global economy.
Sometimes mildly entertaining, but usually best ignored.
Now both our nominees can be under investigation.
I know - way late to this party but Ann - you have SMART people here - and I just want to say that your take on Trump's "I love the uneducated" is one of the most crazy agenda filled analysis I've heard:
Ann said:
All those other politicians look down on you, and they look down on the country. They insult it. They use the worst insults, like "racist."
Every single totalitarian, fascist, Big Brother, Henry VII, Stalin and Creon archetypes in Western Civilization (and probably others)has adored and will always adore "the uneducated".
No totalitarian regime ever wants educated people willing to question them.
All totalitarian regimes desire uneducated, illiterates who will just be "obedient"
Good Grief Ann. You know this stuff but what - have you forgotten it all?
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