October 17, 2014

"William O’Reilly Debated Jon Stewart On One Topic — White Privilege. Guess who won?"

Asked The Crack Emcee in the comments to yesterday's race-consciousness post, pointing to a "Daily Show" interview from a couple days ago, which I happened to have already watched. (I watched the show version. He links to the extended version, which I haven't seen.)

I answered (in the comments just now):
Yeah, I watched that yesterday. Thanks for reminding me about that. I thought Stewart acted like a jackass bully and O'Reilly kept his cool. Stewart had his whole audience braying their pleasure at the bullying of O'Reilly. To this home-viewer, O'Reilly won. He won by keeping his dignity, acknowledging all the factual and fair points about race in history, but rejecting the ideological term "white privilege."
As I just said, I did not watch the extended version. I'm going on what the show's people decided would be most amusing to their viewers, which I assume is what presents Jon Stewart as the winner and Bill O'Reilly as the bully who gets his comeuppance, overcome by the sheer force of superior intelligence, information, and virtue.

It's interesting to hear that the entire extended interview stays with the white-privilege topic, because that means:

1. They had a lot of raw footage from which to select the clips that fit the narrative they thought would be so gratifying to their audience of people who believe in their own superior intelligence, information, and virtue.

2. They never got around to the subject of the book O'Reilly had come on the show to pitch — "Killing Patton: The Strange Death of World War II's Most Audacious General" — another form of disrespect, which I suspect was deployed to antagonize O'Reilly and increase the likelihood that he'd say something stupid about race.

So, again: O'Reilly won. But what is this candy-ass bullshit about who won and lost a television interview? The name Patton has been invoked. Let's get some proportion and perspective about what winning means.

104 comments:

EMD said...

Born in 1885 to a privileged family with an extensive military background, Patton attended the Virginia Military Institute, and later the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

#White Privilege #Winning

Ann Althouse said...

That's what I like to see: a great first comment.

SomeoneHasToSayIt said...


The facts pretty much always win over irrational emotionalism, don't they?

At least eventually.

How has irrational emotionalism worked out for those who favor it, by the way?

Anyone here think that world-view fosters success in life? Anyone?

Shanna said...

I cannot think of two people who would be more irritating to watch discuss this topic (or basically any topic). So I hope ya'll had fun.

Paul said...

"Winning isn't everything.. It's the ONLY thing" Vince Lombardi

"The spirit is to win, what ever the method" Miyamoto Musashi circa 1645.

“No b*stard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb b*stard die for his country” George S. Patton

But today it is more cosmopolitan to want to just break even or try to not win to much. But we truly live in a world where you are either a winner or loser.

You can guess which one Obama is.

SomeoneHasToSayIt said...

That social phenomenon that gets misleadingly called 'White privilege'? Here is its real cause.

Facts Are Stubborn Things

Grackle said...

If there is pervasive white privilege in our society, then whites should be dispropotionally represented among employees of government, the ultimate dispenser of privilege. Has anyone seen those numbers lately?

RecChief said...

Related only to Patton and the military today, I have to say that today's Army leaders need some of the risk taking and audacity of Patton infused into them.


also, not sure Patton had white privilege, he certainly had class privilege. His family had money, and married into more. I imagine OWSers would call him a dirty one percenter. I used to do some work for one of our neighbors who had been a tank commander in Patton's 3rd Army. He loved Patton, said it was the only time in his life that he felt 10 feet tall. I've been to the cemetary at Hamm. Moving experience.

sean said...

Maybe Prof. Althouse should go on the Daily Show. There was an interesting discussion on Megan McArdle's blog the other day. McArdle advised that no one should ever appear on the show, because the format was so stacked against the guest. One of the commenters noted that John Yoo, a very smart lawyer, held his own, much to Stewart's frustration.

This would be a worthier use of Prof. Althouse's intelligence than blogging about idiots like Ezra Klein. Not because Stewart is smarter than Klein, but because it takes Yoo-level intelligence to overcome the skewed format.

Michael said...

What is candy-ass and stupid is believing that acknowledging "white privilege" is breaking some Gordian Knot allowing purity of thought and action to freely flow.

It should be obvious that the majority culture in all countries enjoys a "privilege" over the minority culture. That does not mean that the minority culture is not in the right nor that they are not or cannot be more successful as a culture than the majority. See Uganda and the ultimate diaspora of its highly successful Indian population. Amin booted them out, in part, because their success was intolerable.

O'Reilly is often a bore and a bully but he came off well in this "debate." Stewart is hideous and the professor's description of his smug buffoonery was on the mark.

EMD said...

I enjoyed watching Rumsfeld on TDS.

Michael said...

SomeoneHastoSayit:

You realize, of course, that linking to Charles Murray will have you jailed in a few years. The internet is forever.

tds said...

comedians with agenda are not funny

The Drill SGT said...

Then there's one thing you men will be able to say when this war is over and you get back home. Thirty years from now when you're sitting by your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks, 'What did you do in the great World War Two?' You won't have to cough and say, 'Well, your granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana.' No sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say 'Son, your granddaddy rode with the great Third Army and a son-of-a-goddamned-bitch named George Patton!'

SomeoneHasToSayIt said...


Also, if one is going to use the term, it should be "White & Asian Privilege". It is wrong and misleading to leave the high achieving Asians out of the mix.

RecChief said...

Interesting that the Wikipedia entry only says he had "difficulty learning to read and write". It's widely acknowledged among Patton historians that he most likely had dyslexia.

He was also worried that he wouldn't get into WWII because he was too old.

The way that he turned around the US II Corps is a marvel.

Michael said...

Professor:

By the way, "bray" is not used enough. You employed it perfectly.

YoungHegelian said...

O'Reilly was hyping his appearance on TDS on the Factor last night, and acted like he thought it was all in good fun. He certainly wasn't acting like he thought he "lost" or was mistreated.

Those two hosts now go back a long way, with each having gone on the others show multiple times. I think the two hosts offer each other safe passage through the lion's den with a chance to preach to an audience other than the usual converts.

In any case, when O'Reilly's got a new book to hawk, I think he'd show up to a convention of Communist zombies, much less TDS.

pm317 said...

Isn't there anything, anything at all that says Black privilege? I can find a bunch of things that are Brown privilege that has made me a winner in this land of opportunity away from my familiar (and easy) life back home.

America has moved so far out into being a melting pot of all colors that it is ridiculous to be talking about White privilege. If you said something about that for Europe, I can buy it but not for America.

This is one place where Obama has truly failed. He could have made it better for the Blacks but he hasn't. It seems to have got worse with race being used as a political weapon.

America has moved on and generations of other immigrants have engulfed the country but Blacks and their enablers, the liberals are stuck in perpetual victimhood. The combination of those two are not working. Maybe we need a Black Republican president to bring harmony and restore optimism and confidence in Blacks, that is if they take the opportunity to break themselves from the past.

Fernandinande said...

Google ["daily show" editing] and you'll get a bunch of this:

"Feature: ‘Daily Show’ Guest Explains How Jon Stewart Deceptively Edits Interviews To Smear Conservatives"

Guess who won?

It's a sorta-sleazy comedy show for boneheads. A "winner" would be someone who doesn't appear on the show and doesn't watch it.

paminwi said...

Interesting isn't it that of the 14 writers on Stewart's staff, 12 are white, there is one of Iranian descent and ONE African-American.

Hypocrisy?

http://t.mediaite.com/mediaite/#!/entry/concha-stewarts-own-staff-llustrates-comics-hypocrisy-on-white-privilege,543fd961b7d8d24162e93f5a/1

Anonymous said...

The Vagina as Fascist State does not stand against 'White Privilege', it stands inside it and has made it its own: it wears the skin like Ed Gein in a mask of (white) flesh on a moonlit evening. The goal of The Vagina as Fascist State is to keep minorities as THEIR minorities, not to improve their lives but to command their fealty.

The black women can be allowed to be a token third in command, but the top woman and her replacement will always be white: there is a reason why Jim Crow laws increased after the rise of the Suffragette Movement. The Vagina as Fascist State is infused by barely-repressed hysteria, and the privileged right-thinking white woman's fear of the black man is the same sexual kabuki as it was when she was the mistress of the plantation.

The fear of the minorities is their willingness to have sex to procreate: even after making abortion the natural progression of a pregnancy many minorities still choose to bear their children. This fertility is anathema to The Vagina as Fascist State, hence the The Vagina as Fascist State taking the reins of White Privilege to keep society within their desired boundaries.

Is it any surprise of the sexual nature found in HipHop and Rap? It is the reaction to The Vagina as Fascist State -- empowerment through anal sex and fellatio and taking non-procreative sex back on their own terms.

Fernandinande said...

Blogger Michael said...
It should be obvious that the majority culture in all countries enjoys a "privilege" over the minority culture.


Not true at all. Chinese in Malaysia are a good example. There are plenty of other examples (Europeans in America and Australia, later on Chinese in America and Australia, Jews in Europe).

SomeoneHasToSayIt said...
That social phenomenon that gets misleadingly called 'White privilege'? Here is its real cause.
Facts Are Stubborn Things[link]


Politicians hate science.

madAsHell said...

My white privilege is paying taxes that are re-distributed.

Tank said...

That was fun. It's usually fun when these guys appear together. I think they like each other.

O'Reilly is usually pretty good being interviewed in enemy territory (the View, Letterman, etc). He recognizes what he's up against.

Who won? What difference does it make? The problems that many black people have has nothing to do with white privilege.

rehajm said...

Ann does a great job describing the format every Daily Show ever. It will have to replace my old working definition of the Daily Show which ends '...and then the Skipper hits Gilligan with his own hat.


IMO, Ed Conard has done the best job against Stewart's schtick.

Rocketeer said...

The combination of those two are not working. Maybe we need a Black Republican president to bring harmony and restore optimism and confidence in Blacks, that is if they take the opportunity to break themselves from the past.

The first African-American president was a Democrat.

The first competent African-American president will be a Republican.

AJ Lynch said...

Libs have ten major news outlet in their corner: NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, AP, NYT, Wapo, LA Times, NPR, and PBS. But it still drives them nuts that Fox News even exists so they can't stop bashing Fox News. What does that tell you about their confidence in their librul ideas and programs?

SteveR said...

Stewart is an easy person to figure out and as mentioned above, John Yoo, exposed it quite well. BOR and Stewart are in show business, they value attention over everything else.

donald said...

I like when sooper Jon Fake Last Name gets called out for not having his facts straight them plays the "I'm just a comedian card".

What a putz. Puto. Pussy.

traditionalguy said...
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traditionalguy said...

Patton was seriously interested in winning battles and winning wars. So he worked at the leadership skills needed for men in combat situations.

It seems that reality wins and politically correct delusions lose.

That is why the serious reality of Ebola has now exposed the politically correct delusions of fake leadership.

Patton being a Scots-Irish casually said, "All Americans love a winner and hate to lose...which is why we will never lose a war"

pm317 said...

Since we are talking about O'Reilly here, I noticed a funny exchange between Glenn Beck and O'reilly couple of nights ago. O'Reilly kept insisting that the CDC head would not come on the show because he would 'carve' (O'Reilly's word) him up. At some point Beck retorted ever so gently that the CDC head had come on Fox and Kelly's show (the previous night) and she had carved him up quite well. The camera was on Beck but I would have loved to see O'Reilly's face at that moment.

cubanbob said...

People who watch Stewart for news are too stupid to vote. We really need to filter the moron section and the deadbeat section of the population out of the voter rolls.


I'm white and I like white privilege. If some people have a problem with that, that's their problem, not mine. Of course having money helps, have enough money and anyone can be an honorary white. Just ask any wealthy rapper or NBA player. Even among white people money is a marker for whiteness, there is white trash and then there is white class.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

"An Army is a team; lives, sleeps, eats, fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is a lot of crap."

cubanbob said...

donald said...
I like when sooper Jon Fake Last Name gets called out for not having his facts straight them plays the "I'm just a comedian card".

Next time he gets called out and he plays I'm just a comic shtick who ever calls him out should remind him to stick to his day job and leave the serious work to the professionals.

jacksonjay said...

NBC wanted so badly for MTP to be funny, that they begged Leibowitz to take the job.

EDH said...

On one level, the new term "white privilege" serves as a loyalty oath for the left. Either you're in or you're out. Like global warming or climate change, belief means not only embracing a broad principle, but the entire gambit of politically correct policy prescriptions that emanate from the people foisting the litmus test.

We used to speak of advantage and disadvantage. Advantage implies differences in various accumulated endowments, whether cultural or wealth, that explain differences in potential. Privilege implies active exclusion and favoritism based on status.

Invoking "white privilege" also serves ideological and political purposes.

Principally, by continuing to ascribe disparate outcomes to exclusion and favoritism based specifically on race, rather than to relative deficits in the accumulation of cultural and wealth endowments over time, "white privilege" allows liberals to gloss-over the failure of their grand social experiments to provide the disadvantaged with greater cultural and income producing endowments during the last half century.

It is also meant to divide the electorate along racial lines, which the Democrats believe accrues to their advantage politically.

chillblaine said...

Jon Stewart is ashamed to be a Jew, and ashamed of his white skin. Nothing new about self-loathing Jews, just don't ask me to join in.

William said...

When the Irish moved to America, they got to press the reset button and join the Anglosphere. The Irish in Ireland under the misguided policies of DeValera stewed in their resentments and were condemned to another two generations of poverty......Blacks need to find the reset button. Their resentments are more debilitating than their grievances.

William said...
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jacksonjay said...

White priviledge = staying in school, avoiding drugs (unless you're a Biden), avoiding baby daddydom (unless you're Tom Brady), wearing a belt, and changing that ridiculous name (according to that Black Harvard guy).

William said...

Stewart uses words like hirsute and systemic, so he's clearly one of the smartest men alive......It reminds me of the Sharon Tate/Charles Manson feud.

pm317 said...

Blacks need to find the reset button. Their resentments are more debilitating than their grievances.

Well said. This has been my PoV all along.

jacksonjay said...

White priviledge = Dr. Ben Carson, Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson and Dr. Henry Louis Gates

All three of these men are old enough to remember all the doors opened to them because they were White.

Quaestor said...

Stewart's audience consider themselves the überhippen -- ironic given the pathetic ignorance of that Northeastern urban hipster demographic which has been amply demonstrated by Jay Leno, Jesse Watters and others – so why would Bill O’Reilly go on The Daily Show? To hawk a book about George S. Patton? The percentile of TDS viewers who would even recognize the name, or know more than three facts about the war in which he fought has got to be in the single digits. That makes as much sense as advertising a CD edition of the Ring Cycle on BET. Here’s the reason: contractual obligation. Every time O’Reilly appears on TDS, Stewart is obliged to appear on O’Reilly.

Patton is an early example of the overweening power of the press, a power that has saddled us with the most incompetent and dishonest person to ever occupy the Executive Mansion. The press despised George Patton because he was a soldier’s soldier, and they loved Omar Bradley because he came across as folksy and nice, somebody uncomfortably shoehorned in the role of combat general who would rather be doing something else, like teaching mathematics in a small-town junior college. Patton seemed to love being a general, and the American press hated him for it. They did everything they could to undermine Patton and boost Bradley. Consequently, Eisenhower -- a man with one eye fixed on a post-war political career –- bowed to press pressure coming indirectly through the White House and tapped Bradley to command 12th Army Group, the largest and most power United States Army formation to ever take the field, leaving Patton as a mere subordinate commander with no role to play in the Normandy campaign except as a decoy.

Some people will say that Patton was a bad person, that he graved glory and had no regard for the common soldier. The facts speak differently. If you had the good fortune to serve as a tank crewman or as an infantry rifleman in Patton’s Third United States Army you enjoyed better odds of coming through the war unscathed than in any other U.S. combat land force that fought on the line in WWII. So what if Patton was bloodthirsty? That’s what a general should be. The Germans respected and feared Patton, and kept well clear of his forces when they were able. In the OKW’s order of battle documents the Third Army was known as Panzerarmee Patton, the only Allied force in Europe designated by its commander’s name, a high honor.

Bob Ellison said...

Let's just cut to the chase: "white privilege" means "I hate my skin color".

Quaestor said...

Stewart uses words like hirsute and systemic...

When describing his viewership no doubt.

Freder Frederson said...

one of the commenters noted that John Yoo, a very smart lawyer, held his own, much to Stewart's frustration.

Stewart threw Yoo softballs. He didn't press him at all.

jacksonjay said...

Black Harvard guy is Dr. Roland G. Fryer. He is the Henry Lee Professor of Economics at Harvard University.

Just another victim of White Priviledge.

From his Wikipedia bio: The New York Times ran an extensive profile of Fryer, entitled "Toward a Unified Theory of Black America," in March 2005 that dealt extensively with Fryer's rough upbringing: Fryer's mother left when he was very young, and his father, who beat his son, was convicted of rape,[6] effectively leaving Fryer to fend for himself. Fryer became a "full fledged gangster by his teens".

Bob Ellison said...

Freder Frederson said "Stewart threw Yoo softballs. He didn't press him at all."

That's a weird observation not seen outside the leftosphere. It's apparently a thing inside the leftosphere. Yoo outwitted Stewart.

Tank said...



Freder Frederson said...

one of the commenters noted that John Yoo, a very smart lawyer, held his own, much to Stewart's frustration.

Stewart threw Yoo softballs. He didn't press him at all.


Asian privilege.

The Crack Emcee said...

"He won by keeping his dignity, acknowledging all the factual and fair points about race in history, but rejecting the ideological term 'white privilege.'"

Yeah, Jon Stewart, holding his head in disbelief at the nonsense you're so impressed by, probably didn't come across as well to those inclined to think behavior, and not facts, determines winning an argument - you know, like lawyers.

And what was the amazing "factual and fair points about race in history" O'Reilly introduced? (My friends and I howled in laughter at his every declaration, accepting Stewart's admonition at the end that he might not be the best person to lead the charge, but still grateful he tried.) Please, what great truths did O'Reilly speak? I didn't hear one. Everything he said has been answered before - a fact anyone familiar with the literature would know - so what was his spin?

"But what is this candy-ass bullshit about who won and lost a television interview? The name Patton has been invoked. Let's get some proportion and perspective about what winning means"

Ann, you ignorant slut. Candy-ass? Like supporting Scott Walker's smile, over his policies, in one of the most segregated places in America? Oooh, you are so TOUGH for that - go kick a homeless person to make the point. And do it "like a man." Jesus.

Winning means they're talking about something, on network television, that whites overwhelmingly don't want discussed - and doing so as we're headed towards HR40 in a few months:

And don't forget The Whiteness Project - http://www.whitenessproject.org/

Go on, Ann - take a look at yourself and those who agree with you:

That's what winning means now,...

The Crack Emcee said...

EMD,

"Born in 1885 to a privileged family with an extensive military background, Patton attended the Virginia Military Institute, and later the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

#White Privilege #Winning"

Ann Althouse,

"That's what I like to see: a great first comment."

Yeah, you must think those are winning "facts" like O'Reilly marshaled, right? Just clueless:

White Privilege is best exemplified by the FACT of how blacks were treated by comparison:

"Henry Ossian Flipper (21 March 1856 – 3 May 1940),...became the first nonwhite officer to lead buffalo soldiers of the 10th Cavalry. Flipper served with competency and distinction during the Apache Wars and the Victorio Campaign, but was haunted by rumors alleging improprieties. At one point, he was court martialed and dismissed from the US Army.

After losing his commission in the Army,...his descendants applied to the US military for a review of Flipper's court martial and dismissal. A review found the conviction and punishment were "unduly harsh and unjust" and recommended Flipper’s dismissal to be changed to a good conduct discharge. Shortly afterwards, an application for pardon was filed with the Secretary of the Army, which was forwarded to the Department of Justice. President Bill Clinton pardoned Lieutenant Henry O. Flipper on 19 February 1999.

Gee - that's nothing like Patton's experience. And you guys are serious idiots sometimes.

I knew, when Ann started going down the conspiratorial BENGHAZI! route, she was possibly infected as well,...

Anonymous said...

In a real interview, if the host bamboozled his guest to try to make his guest look bad, the host lost. If the guest kept his cool, the host becomes a certified jackass loser.

The Crack Emcee said...

madAsHell,

"My white privilege is paying taxes that are re-distributed."

Considering whites got over 100 years of black taxes - for facilities and services we couldn't use - that's sorta poetic.

And not enough,...

SMGalbraith said...

The word "privilege" is too grating and conveys benefits to people that in many cases they didn't receive.

I think if we used "white advantage" it would be more persuasive. I don't recall having many privileges as in special benefits that black people didn't have but I sure can think of advantages they didn't have.

White advantage? Black disadvantage? Ditch the privilege characterization and people won't have a sort of visceral reaction against the discussion.

The Crack Emcee said...

jacksonjay,

"White priviledge = Dr. Ben Carson, Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson and Dr. Henry Louis Gates

All three of these men are old enough to remember all the doors opened to them because they were White."


And two of them have made it clear it wasn't whites holding that door open.

Strange "country" where that's the facts,...

jacksonjay said...

Dr. Melissa Harris-Perry - PhD Duke University.

Half-White Priviledge

The Crack Emcee said...

SMGalbraith,

"I don't recall having many privileges as in special benefits that black people didn't have but I sure can think of advantages they didn't have."

The Whiteness Project is waiting for you - http://www.whitenessproject.org/

Go check it out whenever you think you're being an "individual" saying original things,...

Michael said...

crack:

Because nothing says reasoned debate more than slapping your head in comedic surprise at a comment you cannot use words to retort.

I think it is kind of rude to slur our hostess , by the way, particularly since she has shown you exemplary courtesy by not calling attention to your deplorable manners and constant rudeness to her other guests.

Curious George said...

They both win. They're white after all.

Ann Althouse said...

"Maybe Prof. Althouse should go on the Daily Show."

The only way that would ever happen is if I followed through on one of my ideas for a book project, which I never do, because my format is blogging. It's like the way Emily Dickinson didn't write novels. Or something. I mean, I aspire to art, not advancing myself in a career. I'm a tenured law professor, and that's plenty of a career for me, and I'm happy to enjoy the benefits of being able to choose my form of writing, and it's the short spontaneous form.

The people you see doing those interviews all always have books. And they are not even really promoting those books. They are promoting their careers, bucking for advancement. The book is not the end in itself, the book is a means for career advancement, a ticket to go on shows like that.

Some of the books are probably real books, thoughts that needed to be worked out in long for to discover and express something the author sincerely wanted to say, but most of the books are functioning as calling cards, to get on the shows and to boost the author's career.

Thiat is something about which I truly do not care. Every day, I take conscious pleasure in that not caring.

"There was an interesting discussion on Megan McArdle's blog the other day. McArdle advised that no one should ever appear on the show, because the format was so stacked against the guest."

Yes, except when it's stacked for the guest. I bought Matt Bai's new book immediately after seeing his interview on the show. But the point is: It's stacked. (I'll read the McArdle piece.)

"One of the commenters noted that John Yoo, a very smart lawyer, held his own, much to Stewart's frustration.This would be a worthier use of Prof. Althouse's intelligence than blogging about idiots like Ezra Klein. Not because Stewart is smarter than Klein, but because it takes Yoo-level intelligence to overcome the skewed format."

Yoo isn't just a level (whether I'm on that or not). It's an orientation, and it's an orientation I'm sure I don't share.

I don't like to get into a very specific position and then fiercely defend it. I've never pursued that kind of lawyering or lawproffing, and I'm just not that kind of person.

Michael said...

The whiteness project has some breakthrough ideas centered around the observation by a number of white people that their worlds are populated mainly by white people. A blackness project is scheduled for Niger later this year. The white IT guy is bothered by the fact that there are not a lot of black people in IT. Bless his heart. Bless his sweet heart.

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael,

"Because nothing says reasoned debate more than slapping your head in comedic surprise at a comment you cannot use words to retort."

Anyone familiar with the lit could've blown O'Reilly out of the water - a fact Stewart acknowledged at the end. And - if you seriously think that was "comedic surprise" - go back and look at it again:

O'Reilly was spouting some serious bullshit and Stewart knew it.

"I think it is kind of rude to slur our hostess , by the way, particularly since she has shown you exemplary courtesy by not calling attention to your deplorable manners and constant rudeness to her other guests."

And I think you should let me and Ann do our reality check thing the way we do - we're practiced and, that aside, didn't ask for your help.

Oh yeah - you forgot about that.

I'll listen to Ann (and Meade) long before what you think will ever come into it,...

EMD said...

Crack:

Way to miss the point, dude.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

The idea behind "white privilege" is that whites must as a group have achieved some great economic advantage from racial discrimination to have made it worthwhile to have imposed it for several centuries.

The cruel truth is that any economic advantage went not to whites as a group but to a few, and probably not as much as one might think.

Still, it isn't much of a defense that that the benefit gained was far less than the harm inflicted.

SMGalbraith said...

Crack: Here's something you might like to know: Not all white people had the same experiences growing up.

There are all sorts of "white experience" - class, ethnicity, background, geography - and not a single common one.



Brando said...

Hmmm, I find O'Reilly to be a preening bully on his own show, and Stewart to be a sanctimonious douche on his. What could be better than watching these two jerks duke it out?

There is such a thing as "white privilege", and it manifests itself in subtle ways that are difficult to fix except by changing attitudes (of people in ALL races) over time. In fact, that sort of change is what has caused white privilege today to be a tiny fraction of what it once was (no one in their right mind would argue blacks had it easier fifty or a hundred years ago).

But race privilege is also greatly overshadowed by class privilege.

Donatello Nobody said...

Quaestor's comment (11:08 AM) about the press, the military, Patton & Bradley -- fascinating. Stuff like this is why this blog has the best comment sections on the interwebs -- it just about makes up for the useless, repetitive garbage from Crack and ARM.



10/17/14, 11:08 AM

Michael said...


Crack:

I love it when you reveal your behind-the-scenes relationship with our hostess and her husband. It really explains your inability to post anywhere else on the entire world wide web without getting tossed off permanently for crazy. You should be grateful for that and not be calling Althouse a slut.
Meade might just come and beat your ass. I certainly would if you called my wife a slut.

FullMoon said...

pm317 said...

Since we are talking about O'Reilly here, I noticed a funny exchange between Glenn Beck and O'reilly couple of nights ago. O'Reilly kept insisting that the CDC head would not come on the show because he would 'carve' (O'Reilly's word) him up. At some point Beck retorted ever so gently that the CDC head had come on Fox and Kelly's show (the previous night) and she had carved him up quite well. The camera was on Beck but I would have loved to see O'Reilly's face at that moment.


I emailed an invite to Jennifer Lawrence to have sex with me. She turned me down 'cause she was afraid she would never be satisfied with anyone else afterwards.

vza said...

"Ann, you ignorant slut. Candy-ass? Like supporting Scott Walker's smile, over his policies, in one of the most segregated places in America? Oooh, you are so TOUGH for that - go kick a homeless person to make the point. And do it "like a man." Jesus"

Crack, you have truly become deranged by your bitterness. It is consuming the best of YOU! To criticize Althouse in this manner is disgusting.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

"(My friends and I howled in laughter at his every declaration, accepting Stewart's admonition at the end that he might not be the best person to lead the charge, but still grateful he tried.)"

Your friends? Getting popular at the homeless shelter are we?

Good for you!

FullMoon said...
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traditionalguy said...

Like Crack says, Wisconsin seems to be way too white. Maybe a good idea would be busing in a million black teens from the South Side of Chicago. That would boost the dreadful Scott Walker economy just from sky rocketing sales of 40 cal. ammo, and it would not be whites buying it.

I think of that as Repair-ations for that Jim Crow segregation you all did secretly.

chillblaine said...

Jon Leibowitz demonstrated bad faith at the beginning of the interview by telling O'Reilly that he (O'Reilly) was afraid. This is a favorite trick of the Progressives, to imply that Conservatives are controlled by their primitive rat brain.

All O'Reilly had to do to dominate, was refrain from shouting at Leibowitz.

Krumhorn said...

Hey, Crack! Do you talk to your mom with that mouth? I would think that she would slap you into a puddle of chocolate pudding for using that kind of language with our hostess. I know my mom would if it were me...but, of course, it would be vanilla.

- Krumhorn

jacksonjay said...

Michael sez:

I think it is kind of rude to slur our hostess , by the way, particularly since she has shown you exemplary courtesy by not calling attention to your deplorable manners and constant rudeness to her other guests.

The soft bigotry of low expectations.

Zedediah Grimm said...

Hey Crack. Glad you're having a good time in the comments section again but I need you to do something.
Could you shut the fuck up and get back to work? The (Mexican) butler tells me the pantry is running low on bacon-wrapped shrimp and the Van Vorhees' are coming over this weekend for the regatta.
You know how Chip and Buffy love their shrimp!
Apparently they are on sale today but only if we use tax money stolen from a hapless black. So if you could get to work for me, that'd be great. Thanks!

jacksonjay said...

Cracked makes my point:

And two of them have made it clear it wasn't whites holding that door open.

Black people don't need Whitey to hold the door open!

HoodlumDoodlum said...

I admit to finding it interesting how lauded the Buffalo Soldiers are by people who like to harp about the evil of white people's historical oppression...is it ok to attack peaceful natives for the benefit of an evil white nation just because the soldiers are black?

I am similarly puzzled as to why the pimp-a position that (arguably) most closely resembles a slavemaster-is/was seen as a prestigious profession within a similar community. Most cultures celebrate charismatic criminals (gangsters, desperados, etc) but I don't know if many lionize those who directly exploit and/or own others.

The Crack Emcee said...

Not a single person here remembers "Jane, you ignorant slut" said on SNL?

I know you guys hate history but this is ridiculous. ...

The Crack Emcee said...

I really like that:

An obvious joke - portrayed by whites as obvious bitterness and rudeness.

You guys are such accurate assessors of reality, it's no wonder why it's gone to shit,...

Michael said...

Crack:

Like the pussy you are you are tying to weasel out. Your comment was not intended to be funny.

The hostess answered your question in a way that made you look stupid. You couldn't take it.

Some freedom fighter.

rcocean said...

BOR loves going on liberal shows and getting attacked or having a debate. Its free publicity.

Limbaugh doesn't need the publicity that much, so he either stays off TV or does very few shows when he promotes a book.

rcocean said...

The fact that people think Jon Stewart is "Witty" and "Smart" scares me.

rcocean said...

Years ago, BOR complained and campaigned to get an NPR interview to promote a new book. NPR finally gave in and Gross conducted an insulting interview which lead to BOR walking out. Lots of controversy.

Mission accomplished.

Dr Weevil said...

AA is lucky to be tenured. I can easily imagine an untenured academic being fired for writing that an Asian has an "orientation".

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael,

"Crack:

Like the pussy you are you are tying to weasel out. Your comment was not intended to be funny."

No - I just pulled "Jane, you ridiculous slut" out of the air - and Dan Akroyd didn't make the phrase famous. Please. I know Ann's not that stupid, even if you are.

"The hostess answered your question in a way that made you look stupid. You couldn't take it."

Made me look stupid? In front of you? When I don't agree with any position you take - because the facts are NEVER on your side? Like now?

The only thing that might make me feel stupid is if y'all was actually correct about anything, ever. Let's count the ways:

Y'all say Ann keeps me here to boost ratings. Your evidence?

Nothing.

Y'all say Ann keeps me here because she feels white guilt. Your evidence?

Nothing.

Y'all say Ann keeps me here [fill in the blank]. Your evidence?

Whatever the charge - Nothing.

You just make up shit and convince yourselves it's true - which now includes Ann speaking in a way I "couldn't take" because her racist commenters might make up something new from it. And your evidence?

Nothing.

"Some freedom fighter."

Some honest debater,...

The Crack Emcee said...

SMGalbraith,

"I don't recall having many privileges as in special benefits that black people didn't have but I sure can think of advantages they didn't have."

What kind of "special benefits" are you talking about?

Being able to use the facilities your taxes went into isn't "special benefits that black people didn't have"?

Being able to generationally accumulate wealth - from not having it stolen in a billion ways - isn't "special benefits that black people didn't have"?

To expect not to be hung isn't "special benefits that black people didn't have"?

If your parents used the GI Bill to buy a house, wasn't that "special benefits that black people didn't have"?

I know you're thinking about this all wrong,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Left Bank of the Charles,

"The cruel truth is that any economic advantage went not to whites as a group but to a few, and probably not as much as one might think."

Sure, the folks who got to use the facilities blacks couldn't - which was practically everyone.

Whites orchestrated a direct payment to themselves through us and think nothing of it.

Because crime is in their genes,...

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The Crack Emcee said...

I like the idea Ann made me look stupid when she was only answering the question "Guess who won?" (LOTS to work with there) and didn't substantively address anything that was said. All she did was CLAIM O'Reilly was "acknowledging all the factual and fair points about race in history" without mentioning a single one that happened with. Oh wait - she couldn't:

BECAUSE SHE WASN'T EVEN COMMENTING ON THE WHOLE INTERVIEW BUT THE EDITED ONE FOR TV - SO SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

That's how smart people critique things - without seeing them.

And we know smart people know "all the factual and fair points about race in history" when they don't mention what's so factual or fair about them.

And their supporters - who are crowing over her quite-evident ignorance - are obviously so much smarter than she or I,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Jon Stewart - Ann's bully - wasn't the one asking for hand sanitizer every time he was touched by a Jew,...

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The Crack Emcee said...

The Crack Emcee said...
“If Republicans have a clue and do this and go out and ask every African-American for their vote, I think we can transform an election in one cycle,...”

- Rand Paul

The problem can be found in the first five words of that sentence,...

Michael said...

Crack:

you fucking coward. You wrote that in anger, not in jest. Have a look at the rest of that oh-so-clever SNL take-off you wrote.

I have no fucking idea why you are allowed to post here and I don't give a shit. I am around smart black people all day. I come here to read a dumb one and am never disappointed.

She spanked your ass. Your "analysis" was zip, zero, nada.

Like the way you subtly use those caps. Very effective for a crazy person.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I saw the Yoo interview. I love me a good Jon Stewart takedown (e.g. Jim Cramer, Stuart Varney), but I nevertheless found myself oddly pleased that Yoo teaches at my alma mater. Stewart was a good sport about it, too, saying, "It was like interviewing sand." For his part Yoo commented that he was used to settling down unruly college students who hadn't done the reading.

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael, when I tell someone the truth and it's rejected for their own uninformed musings (He thinks he can see through the internet!) I can be pretty sure of one thing:

They're an idiot.

But, in your case, I was on to that idea already,...

Michael said...

Crack

LOL. sent to the woodshed, but this time in public! Instead of those emails telling you to lay off for a couple of days this was a public shaming.

It was not even subtle.

The Crack Emcee said...

You have quite the imgination:

Now you read (non-existent) emails.

And people wonder why I started off talking about psychics,..

Kirk Parker said...

rcocean,

"The fact that people think Jon Stewart is "Witty" and "Smart" scares me. "

Me too. In reality, of course, Stewart is "glib" and "smartass". Not remotely the same thing.

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