October 21, 2014

"[Bell] Hooks had just come from a seminar entitled 'Transgression: Whose Booty Is This?'"

"She said, 'Pussies are out. It’s bootylicious all the way.' [Laverne] Cox agreed. 'It is the age of the ass,' she said. 'Booty as cultural metaphor is really interesting. J. Lo made the ass a thing fifteen years ago, and now we have issues of ass appropriation.'"

From a New Yorker piece about a conversation between Bell Hooks, the longtime activist feminist, who's currently a Distinguished Professor in Residence of Appalachian Studies at Berea College, and Laverne Cox, the LGBT advocate and actress who's in the TV show "Orange Is the New Black."

Hooks proceeds to declare that she has "had an ironing-board butt all my life," and Cox responds with an observation about astrology, but maybe Hooks is not "into astrology," and Hooks says: "Oh, I’m into psychics, telepathics, you name it... All the paranormal world is very interesting to me." And both of them speak retrogressively about aging: "This aging thing is a bitch" (Hooks, 62 years old) and "I do not [reveal my age]. My official age is 'over twenty-one'" (Cox).

Observations:

1. Ageism is certainly one of the "-isms" that people still seem to feel safe about openly displaying. Maybe some day we will look back with shame at what bigotry we spouted.

2. It utterly amazes me that people who want to present themselves as intelligent and sophisticated nevertheless openly profess belief in astrology and other "paranormal" nonsense, including people like Hooks and Cox who are activists purporting to push the rest of the world forward into enlightenment. How can you get any footing to push when you're standing in blatant idiocy?

3. Asses. When will they be out?

112 comments:

Annie C. said...

If ASS is not CRACKbait, I don't know what is!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

B said...

What the hell is "ass appropriation?"

The Crack Emcee said...

"How can you get any footing to push when you're standing in blatant idiocy?"

Be a New Age feminist.

Worked for my wife - I told you:

I'm "a man," who couldn't stop her from doing what she wanted, remember?

I love when you play dumb,...

Anthony said...

I give up and surrender

MadisonMan said...

Distinguished Professor in Residence of Appalachian Studies at Berea College

Things that aren't meant to sound like an honorific but aren't.

Shanna said...

Is this a good place to talk about that all about the bass no treble song?

Big Mike said...

How can you get any footing to push when you're standing in blatant idiocy?

But doesn't this describe just about any 21st century "progressive" push? It's junk science all the way down.

William said...

The labors of Sisyphus really developed his hamstrings. Ditto with Jennifer Lopez and Kim Kardashian.

Ann Althouse said...

"What the hell is "ass appropriation?""

Good question. I think it's probably critical race theory. Race is not mentioned in the article, but I think that's the reference. Both women are black, I think. The New Yorker seems to be making a point of submerging race. Why must it always be said that a black person is black? We're not informed of the whiteness of every white person who is ever mentioned in an article. But we are nudged to take note of it (or to be mystified by references if we don't already know).

Shanna said...

Distinguished Professor in Residence of Appalachian Studies at Berea College

Things that aren't meant to sound like an honorific but aren't.


Yeah, they probably should have edited some of that out. Professor of Appalachian Studies (which, what?) at least wouldn't sound like you are trying too hard.

The Crack Emcee said...

"Asses. When will they be out?"

They were out at one time? When? Has a single black man ever attended The Vagina Monologues? I grew up in South Central, so you'll have to pardon me:

We we ALWAYS into asses - and waiting for whites to catch up.

You don't seriously think blacks had pictures of Farrah Fawcett on our walls, do you? Christie Brinkley? Any other wheat-haired stick figure whites drooled over?

Meanwhile, white men were cruising our neighborhoods, trying to get their "Brown Sugar" - before they went back home to the white picket fence around their true desires?

White innocence - again - revealed to be a lie,...



MadisonMan said...

Is this a good place to talk about that all about the bass no treble song?

Love it. It is very sing-a-long-able, which trait is missing in many current songs.

chillblaine said...

This whole transgender thing confuses me. Why subject oneself to a procedure that will make it impossible to ever again achieve orgasm?

When I become confused, I try to talk with my mom, because she is more sensitive than my dad. I think my dad is more powerful, and one day he took my mom's penis. This makes me feel very empathetic for her. Almost like I identify with her.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ann Althouse,

"We're not informed of the whiteness of every white person who is ever mentioned in an article."

Ann Alhouse discovers white supremacy's default - in 2014.

Jesus, white people make my head hurt,...

Shanna said...

Love it. It is very sing-a-long-able, which trait is missing in many current songs.

I like it because it feels retro. I stop for it every time it's on.

Michael K said...

The left never seems to get that its science nonsense is one reason why the right doesn't believe its big cause of global warming.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ann Althouse,

"What the hell is "ass appropriation?""

And why have white women also been trying to get big lips?

What the Hell is going on?

It's like somebody else is taking over.

But culturally.

Which is when Crack says - again:

Culture beats politics,...

Unknown said...

Where is the ageism, or are you being sarcastic?

Cause aging is a bitch. I helped some friends move a couple of months ago and I'm still not recovered.

Back in my twenties, used to lower scuba gear down a cliff via rope, repel down, and swim out a mile or so, all just to get to the "lobster cave."

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael K,

"The left never seems to get that its science nonsense is one reason why the right doesn't believe its big cause of global warming."

Plus you're stupid.

I knew you'd leave that out,...

Titus said...

I had a dream last night that I was laying down and surrounded by thousands of shaved cooches. They were walking past me, some stopped to talk, others walked by fast or ran, some mingled with each other. Some were smoking or eating or drinking. Some could talk and laugh. It was a weird dream. I screamed in the morning and waked the rare clumber and myself up-ready to start the day!

I walk between 6-8 miles a day-my new Iphone 6 tells me.

SomeoneHasToSayIt said...

Ann wrote: It utterly amazes me that people who want to present themselves as intelligent and sophisticated nevertheless openly profess belief in astrology and other "paranormal" nonsense, . . .

You do realize, I hope, that Christianity and other religions are also "paranormal" nonsense, if judged by the same 'lack of evidence' you are using to condemn things like astrology.

JRoberts said...

Althouse said:

"1. Ageism is certainly one of the "-isms" that people still seem to feel safe about openly displaying. Maybe some day we will look back with shame at what bigotry we spouted."

Is the good professor now becoming a same-age-marriage advocate?

tim in vermont said...

As stick-thin models show, women don't really care what men think, so asses may go out of style. But men will never stop enjoying a look or two at the nice ones as men have done forever.

The Crack Emcee said...

Whites beauty ideal is no longer the norm?

It's time to panic,...

Ann Althouse said...

"They were out at one time? When?"

That's a comic take on the assertion that "'Pussies are out."

Ann Althouse said...

"That's a comic take on the assertion that "'Pussies are out.""

The serious point is that women are echoing male fetishization of isolated body parts.

Ann Althouse said...

"Is the good professor now becoming a same-age-marriage advocate?"

How would that follow from my statement? It would make more sense to say that I'm ready to become censorious of anyone calling attention to age in any kind of a critical way.

The Crack Emcee said...

tim in vermont,

"As stick-thin models show, white women don't really care what white men think,...."

Feminism is really just a white arguement between the sexes - white men abused white women (by cheating with black slaves) and white women have never forgiven them and will bitch about men, to this day, because of them.

Generally, black men don't have this problem:

Black women, at least, love us.

White women have almost been driven totally nuts,...

Wince said...

Ageism is certainly one of the "-isms" that people still seem to feel safe about openly displaying. Maybe some day we will look back with shame at what bigotry we spouted.

For some guys, youth isn't fun, but it gets better with age. It all comes down to a formula:

Pussy + Time / Income Squared

Curious George said...

"The Crack Emcee said...
You don't seriously think blacks had pictures of Farrah Fawcett on our walls, do you? Christie Brinkley? Any other wheat-haired stick figure whites drooled over?

Meanwhile, white men were cruising our neighborhoods, trying to get their "Brown Sugar" - before they went back home to the white picket fence around their true desires?

White innocence - again - revealed to be a lie,..."

OJ Simpson. Tiger Woods. Shall I go on?

Seems any black who can get blond haired white pussy, does so.

Jane the Actuary said...

So if "bass" is a reference to the singer's rear, then what's "treble"? Is she saying she's flat-chested?

MadisonMan said...

I like it because it feels retro

I really the saxophone in it. (Amy Winehouse music had great saxophone lines too)

MadisonMan said...

I really *like* the saxophone....

glenn said...

At the risk of repeating myself

Fart Noises

No pun intended.

Henry said...

The inability to get older is a great evil.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

The serious point is that women are echoing male fetishization of isolated body parts.

This is a serious issue: men seeing women as isolated body parts. I think it's important to see the woman as a whole.

Ron said...

"We are all assholes now"

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Damn.

Jokes based on homonyms really don't work when you type them.

Lewis Wetzel said...

"How can you get any footing to push when you're standing in blatant idiocy?"

It's all idiocy. Imagine a white man who insists that he is really a black man born in a white man's body. He has surgery or wears prosthetics and make up to make him appear more 'black', and insists that you treat you him as he imagines that a black man should be treated.
You would think: "this is a crazy person. I will stay as far away from him as possible."

Shanna said...

"As stick-thin models show, white women don't really care what white men think,...."

I think it says that the gay men who run the fashion industry don't care what straight men want. Or women, for that matter (like pockets).

So if "bass" is a reference to the singer's rear, then what's "treble"? Is she saying she's flat-chested?

Jane, not to spend too much time parsing euphemisms, but I think she's just not putting emphasis on the treble, because it's all about that bass... heh.

MM, I don't usually gravitate to saxophones, is there a good bass line? Probably given the subject of the song. That may be why I like it.

Ann Althouse said...

"Jokes based on homonyms really don't work when you type them."

You need to adopt the critical theory style. Write: w/hole.

furious_a said...

Generally, black men don't have this problem.

They can't hear the bitching from their prison cells..

traditionalguy said...

Berea College was founded in pre-Civil War Kentucky as an integrated, co-ed, and tuition free college deep in the Appalachian Mountains that accepts its students based on their being from the poorest back woods families.

The Appalachian mountain folks still practice occult arts such as Water Witching, so Astrology is not that surprising.



Rumpletweezer said...

Crack actually said:
"We we[re?] ALWAYS into asses - and waiting for whites to catch up."

There are just too many comments I want to make, but decorum prevents me.

Pianoman said...

It's always funny how people who mock prayer and belief in God will "have good thoughts" and believe in astrology and "spiritualism". Complete lack of self-awareness.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ann Althouse,

"male fetishization of isolated body parts."

AKA the biological imperative.

I know - it's ghastly,...

Smilin' Jack said...

It utterly amazes me that people who want to present themselves as intelligent and sophisticated nevertheless openly profess belief in astrology and other "paranormal" nonsense, including people like Hooks and Cox who are activists purporting to push the rest of the world forward into enlightenment.

Hooks is a "longtime activist feminist." Astrology would be an intellectual step forward.

The Crack Emcee said...

Curious George,

"OJ Simpson. Tiger Woods. Shall I go on?"

Yes, please:

Your list will be just as long as the five or six conservative blacks y'all love to pretend represent something significant,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Shanna,

"I think it says that the gay men who run the fashion industry are white,..."

FIFY

RecChief said...

Why must it always be said that a black person is black?"

That's not usually mentioned in newspaper crime stories. The alleged perp is usually just referred to as a "youth"

Ignorance is Bliss said...

The Crack Emcee said...

Yes, please:

Your list will be just as long as the five or six conservative blacks y'all love to pretend represent something significant,...


If we do it as a Venn diagram then Clarence Thomas could go in the middle...

The Crack Emcee said...

furious_a,

"They can't hear the bitching from their prison cells."

Racist white supremacists, laughing at the results of white supremacy's racism.

Y'all take the cake - and eat it, too,...

RecChief said...

"Berea College"


Lavrenti Berea?

(I know it's misspelled, work with it)

The Crack Emcee said...

Pianoman,

It's always funny how people who mock prayer and belief in God will "have good thoughts" and believe in astrology and "spiritualism". Complete lack of self-awareness.

Agreed - but that's how they are,...

The Crack Emcee said...

RecChief,

Why must it always be said that a black person is black?"

That's not usually mentioned in newspaper crime stories. The alleged perp is usually just referred to as a "youth"

You're oblivious to the world around you,...

RecChief said...

Ann Althouse said...
"That's a comic take on the assertion that "'Pussies are out.""

The serious point is that women are echoing male fetishization of isolated body parts."

Uh, ever see old westerns? What do you suppose the reason for "bustle" was? not to mention whalebone corsets.

The Crack Emcee said...

Ignorance is Bliss,

"If we do it as a Venn diagram then Clarence Thomas could go in the middle..."

Onlyu in white's minds.

If they had one, that is,...

The Crack Emcee said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

"Jokes based on homonyms really don't work when you type them."

I laughed. But I'm at work and the humor threshold is low.

FullMoon said...

80 year old black women eating out of garbage cans, dying on the streets, and you guys talking about fat asses
Pathetic.....

The Crack Emcee said...

FullMoon,

"80 year old black women eating out of garbage cans, dying on the streets, and you guys talking about fat asses
Pathetic....."

Yeah - why discuss white supremacy's effects in all it's forms?

Y'all don't even know how to criticise right,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Really, Full Moon, you're clueless,...

FullMoon said...

Steppin' over dead black men all day long, fantasizing about shooting pretty white lady in face......but you all want to talk about fat black asses
Clueless.......

FullMoon said...

Murder!!! Divorce!!! Charlie Mingus!! Rolling Stone!!!
Special black man crushed by white supremacy...
and you all wanna talk about big black bodacious booty
time has come today.....

FullMoon said...

Black women forced to wear wig-hat on their heads.....
Poor Indian women forced to shave their heads.....

I love when you play dumb.....

MadisonMan said...

FullMoon, if would speed things up if you could list out in order of preference the things we are allowed to talk about.

Our future digressions await with bated breath.

The Crack Emcee said...

Full Moon,

I said you're an idiot.

If you want to insist on reinforcing the point, be my guest,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Full Moon,

All you're proving, with each post, is how little you understand the issue.

You're why I know reparations are going to pass:

Whites are clueless to the issues, and so, can't mount a defense,...

FullMoon said...

Validation Confirmation Celebration
Graduation Salutation Feminization Participation........and you all want to talk about Reparation..

moronification all the way down...

lgv said...

SomeoneHasToSayIt said...
Ann wrote: It utterly amazes me that people who want to present themselves as intelligent and sophisticated nevertheless openly profess belief in astrology and other "paranormal" nonsense, . . .

You do realize, I hope, that Christianity and other religions are also "paranormal" nonsense, if judged by the same 'lack of evidence' you are using to condemn things like astrology.

If she doesn't, I do. But I think she does.

Also:

Reggie Bush
RGB III
Kobe Bryant
Cuba Gooding Jr.
Tony Parker
Dr. Dre
Ice T
Kanye West
Sydney Potier
Quincey Jones
Harry Belafonte
Michael Jackson
Charles Barkley
John Legend
Ernie Hudson
Russell Simmons

I did not realize they were all conservatives. Someone tell Harry.

FullMoon said...

Charlie Mingus had four wives 31 affairs and claimed 26 whores in one night ... and one daughter.....
I jnew you'd leave that out.....

Anthony said...

I hope they're never out. I am a serious fan of the female backside.

rhhardin said...

I had a boss into parapsychology once. I kept a lot of bent cafeteria spoons around my office.

Hearne and Douglas Adams show the use of astrology here.

It's a literary move in Hearne's case to defeat a stupid analysis of Thurber.

rhhardin said...

Guys obsess on ass only because it indicates pussy.

MadisonMan said...

It utterly amazes me that people who want to present themselves as intelligent and sophisticated nevertheless openly profess belief in astrology

I always ask believers how the gravitational pull of distant stars can possibly influence a birth, when the gravitational attraction from the attending (doula, midwife, doctor) is orders of magnitude greater.

But that usually confuses them because, you know, math is hard. Especially the inverse square law.

tim in vermont said...

A twit filter would be nice.

rhhardin said...

The serious point is that women are echoing male fetishization of isolated body parts.

Obsession, not fetishization. It's wired in. Thoughts of pussy come up on their own until guys outgrow it late in life.

Women get their value from it. Otherwise all their body parts would all just be kneecaps with hygiene problems.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

rhhardin said...

Women get their value from it...

Kinda like how fish get their value from bicycles?

Freeman Hunt said...

When the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars, then booty will not guide the planet and legs or arms will rule the stars.

Eeyore Rifkin said...

Black Americans are in the vanguard for diseases transmitted by booty sex.

Farrah Fawcett, incidentally, was an Aquarius with Cancer rising.

Michael said...

Full Moon

Quite excellent Crackrepellant. Well done

hombre said...

Big asses are in with the mediaswine, particularly the entertainment mediaswine, and the black community because, well, big asses abound in the black community. (I know, Crack. It was racist of me to notice.)

Big asses will never replace a great face or a shapely rack. Jay Lo and Beyoncé are beautiful. Kim K has a good face and a great rack. Sofia Vergara has all of it.

If it weren't for the rest of it, nobody would care about their asses. Take that homely woman the feminists love who takes off her clothes on tv, can anybody remember her name, let alone her ass?

deepelemblues said...

Attraction to big round butts have been a thing for hundreds of thousands of years, a bunch of social justice warriors acting like they created this attraction is so stupid. Ass appropriation? Stop trying to appropriate ass from the Stone Age, progs.

Civilis said...

Who knows what physical feature of women will be the next big thing in attracting men? The only constant in this regard is change. Rubenesque was once in. More appropriate to this discussion, the bustle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bustle

(Shamelessly stolen from a discussion by David Thompson (http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2014/09/the-wrong-colour-buttocks.html) )

The Crack Emcee said...

FullMoon,

"Charlie Mingus had four wives 31 affairs and claimed 26 whores in one night ... and one daughter.....
I jnew you'd leave that out....."

But wait - I thought whites said the black family was whole before the 60s?

See - caught yourself in a lie.

God, I love talking to you guys,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Freeman Hunt,

"When the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars, then booty will not guide the planet and legs or arms will rule the stars."

LOL - nice!

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael,

"Full Moon

Quite excellent Crackrepellant. Well done"

The idiots salute each other, but without even the decency of a Heil Hitler!

Come on, you guys, be proud,...

Mary Beth said...

Love it. It is very sing-a-long-able, which trait is missing in many current songs.

I like it because it feels retro. I stop for it every time it's on.

10/21/14, 10:04 AM


Like all the way back to 2006. Start at about 24 seconds and listen for half a minute.

Drago said...

The hopelessly ignorant Crack: "But wait - I thought whites said the black family was whole before the 60s?"

http://www.yourblackworld.net/the-black-family-is-worse-off-today-than-in-the-1960s-report-shows/

Snip: "In 1950, 17 percent of African-American children lived in a home with their mother but not their father. By 2010 that had increased to 50 percent. In 1965, only eight percent of childbirths in the Black community occurred out-of-wedlock. In 2010 that figure was 41 percent; and today, the out-of-wedlock childbirth in the Black community sits at an astonishing 72 percent. The number of African-American women married and living with their spouse was recorded as 53 percent in 1950. By 2010, it had dropped to 25 percent."

Just facts.

Which are natural crackrepellents. Crack's check into "Fact Hotels", but they don't check out.

MadisonMan said...

That is pretty similar, although a common enough chord progression.

(I was projecting it onto Pachebel's Canon :) )

Michael said...

Crack:

Bored with the minstrel show. Very bored.

Drago said...

You have to remember also that crack remains blissfully unaware of the 45 year migration of blacks from the northern/midwestern urban centers back to the South.

He is also utterly unaware of the latino "blackenfrei" movements in many cities where latinos are "choosing" to "encourage" blacks to "voluntarily" leave areas of latino control.

It's important to Cracks world view that he remains ignorant of these simple to verify facts.

And if there's a couple of skillsets crack apparently has in abundance, it's that of self-delusion and superior self-imposed ignorance.

Impressive really.

Shanna said...

Like all the way back to 2006. Start at about 24 seconds and listen for half a minute.

Heh. The melody is pretty similar but the overall effect is completely different. (noticeably less technoy!)

MM is right, chord progression and melodys do travel. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some borrowing, but I'm not sure if it's similar enough to hold up in court. I'm sure the lyrics might tell you something, if I understood them!

Matt Sablan said...

I think it matters how you use "into." I, for awhile, was "into" astrology, in that I studied what the symbols allegedly stood for, the different signs, and the interesting Zodiac stuff.

I didn't believe for a minute it was *true*. But it was interesting.

Scott M said...

It utterly amazes me that people who want to present themselves as intelligent and sophisticated nevertheless openly profess belief in astrology and other "paranormal" nonsense, including people like Hooks and Cox who are activists purporting to push the rest of the world forward into enlightenment. How can you get any footing to push when you're standing in blatant idiocy?

There is an astonishing amount of this on the left. Self-proclaimed "spiritualists" that can tell me that they believe the soul leaves the body at the time of death, but, when pressed, will not commit to when it ENTERS the body.

Shanna said...

I didn't believe for a minute it was *true*. But it was interesting.

As far as I'm concerned, checking your horoscope is like opening a fortune cookie. For entertainment purposes only.

Lydia said...

I believe Laverne Cox is still physically a male, but one who is transgendered. And is now an expert on the role of the ass in male-to-female sexual relations. Interesting. Or maybe more like mind-blogging.

Michael said...

crack
"You're why I know reparations are going to pass:

Whites are clueless to the issues, and so, can't mount a defense,."

So stupid white people in Congress are going to pass a bill that won't make it out of committee? Because they are clueless they are going to pass HR40?

Delusion thy name is The Crack Emcee.

Big Mike said...

Asses. When will they be out?

My question is, are bustles coming back? Should I invest in companies that make reproductions of Victorian clothing?

Biff said...

"Free your mind...and your ass will follow." -Funkadelic

rhhardin said...

I can identify a distant pedestrian from my bike as female surprisingly easily.

Hips and breasts are the key. Hips for profile at a distance, and breasts by shading rather than shape.

This tells you whether you need to have a weapon handy or it's only a woman, evolutionarily.

Asses don't figure in, nor do pussies.

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael,

"Crack:

Bored with the minstrel show. Very bored."

BWAAAA-HAHAHAHA!!

You really don't get, that this comment would only be effective coming from someone else, do you?

The Crack Emcee said...

Drago,

"The number of African-American women married and living with their spouse was recorded as 53 percent in 1950."

53%!

And what were the other 47% doing?

My GOD, you're dumb,...

Anthony said...
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The Crack Emcee said...

Biff,

"Free your mind...and your ass will follow." -Funkadelic

Attaboy,...

Anthony said...

Even this is cultural appropriation?

As an Italian American, I demand you all stop appropriating my pizza and arugula.

Drago said...

The Hopelessly ignorant Crack: "53%. And what were the other 47% doing?"

The other 47% of black women were either not married or married but not living with their spouse.

Facts.

Simple things which elude simple minds.

Like yours.

Circle said...

Astrology incompatible with radical feminism? I thought linear thinking and logic, as well as simple declarative sentenmces, were supposed to be outmoded artifacts of the patriarchy.

Michael said...

crack;

"You really don't get, that this comment would only be effective coming from someone else, do you?"

Because I know what it means. Because I know the history of the post war minstrel shows and because I knew one of the black black-face guys, a very famous and rich one. And he taught me your gig before you knew you had it.

bgates said...

How can you get any footing to push when you're standing in blatant idiocy,

asks the Obama voter.

Anonymous said...

It utterly amazes me that people who want to present themselves as intelligent and sophisticated nevertheless openly profess belief in astrology and other "paranormal" nonsense, including people like Hooks and Cox who are activists purporting to push the rest of the world forward into enlightenment.

Hooks and Cox are play-acting at being intelligent and sophisticated people. They've been cozened along in the misapprehension that they are intelligent and sophisticated by people more intelligent and sophisticated than they are, for a variety of reasons. If they were intelligent and sophisticated enough to realize this, even if still less intelligent and sophisticated than their enablers, they would be intelligent and sophisticated enough to realize that intelligent and sophisticated people find interest and belief in astrology and the "paranormal" unintelligent and unsophisticated, and would feign lack of interest and belief, even if privately indulging. But they're not, so they don't.

Kirk Parker said...

" until guys outgrow it late in life."

They do???