"Obama Turnout Machine Crashes in San Diego — Loses Mayor’s Race by 9 Points."
The polls were skin-tight leading into yesterday’s election, and unions poured in millions to keep control in the nation’s eighth-largest city. . . . Democrats were stunned at the margin.
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What justifies the "in spite" in the article? Pension and medical benefits of public employees are a hot issue. The more a Dem candidate looks like a union stooge, the worse it is for that candidate.
I think what we are seeing — and what we saw here in Wisconsin in 2011 — is a new visibility to the dysfunctional cycling of money between the public employee unions and the Democratic Party.
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Must not be any women in San Diego.
That story ignores the obvious. It tries to explain how a Republican could be Elected in what was believed to be a Democratic favored election.
But among the possibilities listed there is no consideration that the voters may have simply liked the Republican candidate better. Maybe they voted independent of party.
The polls were tight, but they lost the election by 9 points. I'm sure that tells us something, but I'm not quite sure what.
A little taste of what is coming this November.
"Must not be any women in San Diego."
If there weren't any women in San Diego, Filner would still be mayor.
If there weren't any women in San Diego, Filner would still be mayor.
Excellent!
I just wonder where the Unions get all this money they threw down the toilet here. How was this good stewardship of funds?
Off topic, but regarding stand-up desks, a cartoon: http://xkcd.com/
I know it had to be very difficult for the media to continually identify Filner as a gasp... (D). Probably why they only do that for republicans in the spot light.
maybe we should rename San Diego to "little wisconsin".
Yes, you are correct Mr Starks
What justifies the "in spite" in the article? Pension and medical benefits of public employees are a hot issue. The more a Dem candidate looks like a union stooge, the worse it is for that candidate.
Well as Tip O'Neil once said all politics are local. No doubt that between out of control public sector unions and the party of Filthy Filner and the public sector unions the voters have no clue where their interests lie. The public sector unions in San Diego need to elect a new electorate.
Mebbe he should start endorsing Republicans......heheheh.
Republicans Take San Diego’s Mayor Race Despite Obama Endorsement
Obama offers to stay away from some Senate races
In the age of gratification preceding integrity, not everyone can be bought. Hopefully, this new guy is capable of self-moderating, responsible behavior and good governance.
Is Faulconer a Republican?
I was surprised to learn that Filner was the first Democratic mayor for San Diego in decades--I didn't realize it was such a Republican city. Considering that and Filner's ties to the Dem candidate, it's not a very surprising win.
That said, it was pretty stupid for the Democrats to nominate someone tied so close to Filner, with such progressive politics and an Obama endorsement. That would have worked in most big cities, but not San Diego.
But Inka just said Republicans' War on Wymmin is leading them to the electoral darkness! Wha' happened?
"If there weren't any women in San Diego, Filner would still be mayor."
But in that case, wouldn't Filner have sought more fertile ground? Maybe San Francisco?
I see how you've been looking at me and wearing those low-cut dresses, San Diego.
How would you like to come along on the Palm Springs junket?
"But in that case, wouldn't Filner have sought more fertile ground? Maybe San Francisco?"
I'm not an expert on the whole groping women thing, but it might be risky in SF. You might find yourself holding onto a tree trunk.
the union stupidly lost a lot of money to a hedge fund that went belly up...dopes...
the dysfunctional cycling of money between the public employee unions and the Democratic Party.
Normally referred to as "money laundering" when other organized crime fronts do it.
s a new visibility to the dysfunctional cycling of money between the public employee unions and the Democratic Party.
The apparent motive to chill liberal political speech in San Diego is itself chilling — whether that's the real motive or not.
Well, with the very real "War on Women" that was waged by the CA Democrat Party for several years, demanding that sexually harassed women shut up to keep Filthy Filner in office, I am not suprised the GOP won handily in Sand Diego.
I find the California Democrats "war on women" within their own party to protect a sexual predatory man from accountability far more objectifying and dangerous to women's rights than any 3rd trimester abortion legislation in Texas.
Unexpectedly.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I find the California Democrats "war on women" within their own party to protect a sexual predatory man from accountability far more objectifying and dangerous to women's rights than any 3rd trimester abortion legislation in Texas
Progressives seem to think rape or blatant harassment are peachy as long as a politician agrees with them.
garage is taking a break from complaining about the GOP money raised by Walker in the other thread to come here and defend out of state Union fat cat money spent to elect Democrats.
Lefty incoherence personified.
Not letting Public Employee Unions purchase an election = "chilling free speech" to the left.
And, no one was actually preventing the Unions from spending the money; the Unions lost the election. They got to speak and the people said, "No".
Using the IRS to actually chill free speech is ignored.
If a GOPer illegally used the IRS to go after a Democrat, I wouldn't be in the GOP.
People like Inga and garage remain in the Democrat Party, which shows they are OK with using the Government to suppress speech they don't like.
"If a GOPer illegally used the IRS to go after a Democrat, I wouldn't be in the GOP."
I wouldn't go that far--my political preferences in general won't change simply because someone who shares them is an odious person. But I certainly wouldn't support that particular person, as such people should be shunned and drummed out of office, and to promote them simply makes my own side look craven and pathetic. Likewise, I wouldn't expect Bill Clinton's antics to turn Democrats into Republicans or feminists to change their beliefs, but I'd at least hope they'd shuffle that awful family out the door and make room for some new blood.
The polls were skin-tight leading into . . .
Am I the only one who finds this metaphor incredibly weird? Who says that?
garage is taking a break from complaining about the GOP money raised by Walker in the other thread to come here and defend out of state Union fat cat money spent to elect Democrats.
I didn't complain. Somebody asked, so I linked to the numbers.
The apparent motive to chill liberal political speech in San Diego is itself chilling — whether that's the real motive or not.
Why is pointing out the link between public employee unions and Democrats linked to chilling liberal political speech?
Can liberal political speech only be funded by union monies derived at root from taxpayers (who are paying the salaries of, say, teachers or administrators?) Can't liberal political speech stand on its own merits?
Lyssa said...
Am I the only one who finds this metaphor incredibly weird?
I was just about to comment on that. Yes, it is weird.
"Am I the only one who finds this metaphor incredibly weird?"
I thought about it, and it is striking, but I think it's good, since we say polls are "tight" and if you want to intensify that you might say "really tight" and that's what "skin tight" means.
This isn't an unusual result for San Diego. The Democratic mayoral candidate is always flush with union money, and usually loses. San Diego isn't a left-wing stronghold like LA or San Francisco.
It probably didn't help that their latest offering was Filner's #1 stooge on the city council.
This isn't an unusual result for San Diego. The Democratic mayoral candidate is always flush with union money, and usually loses. San Diego isn't a left-wing stronghold like LA or San Francisco.
You mean this race wasn't just like Wisconsin?
The dysfunctional cycling of money between the public employee unions and the Democratic Party.
Of course, it's not just money- there are the phone banks, and people going door-to-door.
One could argue that this is just ordinary electoral politics, and so it is- BUT the unions involvement in electoral politics is not just ordinary politics, it's a grab for the public purse.
I think a good argument can be made that unions- but esp. public-sector ones- should not be able to use members' money, or any union property, in electoral politics. Particularly in states where membership (or the equivalent, paying for agency) can be made a condition of employment.
If they want to participate in politics, let them raise the money from each individual member, using non-coercive means, and use that money to fund a political organization.
I think a good argument can be made that unions- but esp. public-sector ones- should not be able to use members' money, or any union property, in electoral politics
It's already against federal law to use union dues for political contributions.
"It's already against federal law to use union dues for political contributions."
What a relief! Thank God money isn't fungible or anything.
The peasants took one look at bejeweled dogs eating off bone china in the White House and decided it was past time to revolt. Viva la revolucion!!!
It's already "against" federal "law" to use union "dues" for "political" "contributions."
FTFY
It's already against federal law to use union dues for political contributions.
Sounds like a good topic for a John Doe investigation - find out if any union political operatives actively involved in the Walker recall were on the union dues funded payroll at the time.
Sounds like a good topic for a John Doe investigation - find out if any union political operatives actively involved in the Walker recall were on the union dues funded payroll at the time.
One step at a time. After Walker, Club for Growth, and the 25 other groups are fully investigated we can come back to unions.
Are you all fired up to see the thousands of Kelly Rindfleisch documents that are being dumped next Weds? I bet you are!
And that seems like something Althouse would love to do, sift through thousands and thousands of personal emails and documents from the John Doe proceedings. An inside look at Walker's Deputy Chief of Staff. Fascinating!
"It's already "against" federal "law" to use union "dues" for "political" "contributions.""
Yeah, back in 2001 I was the President of my local AFGE chapter down in San Diego.
There are lot's and lot's of ways around that law. It's one of the reason why I quit the Union completely. At the time I was told it was non partisan.
What a pile of crap that turned out to be.
The David Alvarez biography is awfully impressive. For California politics, he looks and sounds like a young Barack Obama.
Yet he still lost.
I like the "severely damaged brand"
"skin tight" as in "uptight, outta sight". :--))
garage mahal said...
I think a good argument can be made that unions- but esp. public-sector ones- should not be able to use members' money, or any union property, in electoral politics
It's already against federal law to use union dues for political contributions.
This is simply a lie. With all the evidence, why do you assume Garage is being sincere in his comments?
Are there no lawyers in here? No union members? Anybody who can google?
Of course unions use dues for electoral politics. If you are public sector union then you can resign from the union if you don't want your dues to go to politics. If you are private sector union you can have your potical dues refunded. The rights of unions to spend dues for political activity were actually expanded by the hated United Citizens case.
What if the polls were old? Would "skin tight" still be a good metaphor?
Are there no lawyers in here? No union members? Anybody who can google?
You're too stupid to google?
Nice admission I caught you lying.
Nice admission I caught you lying
No you didn't.
Rather than "skin-tight", I would go with the old but evocative "tighter than Dick's hat band".
Rather than "skin-tight", I would go with the old but evocative "tighter than Dick's hat band".
Peter said...
Of course, it's not just money- there are the phone banks, and people going door-to-door.
Don't forget that it was Citizen's United that unchained the unions to perform these kinds of election services.
I'd like to see the next school system contract negotiations.
Are you all fired up to see the thousands of Kelly Rindfleisch documents that are being dumped next Weds? I bet you are!
So many smoking guns that no charges were filed.
Sounds devastating.
garage mahal said "One step at a time. After Walker, Club for Growth, and the 25 other groups are fully investigated we can come back to unions."
So there's a pecking order. Peck the conservatives to death first, and then maybe we'll have some questions about leftists. Got it.
So many smoking guns that no charges were filed.
Kelly Rindfleisch is heading to jail. She plead guilty.
Rindfleisch pleaded guilty in 2012 to one felony count of misconduct in office for doing campaign work at her government job. She was sentenced to six months in jail and three years of probation The world will be much safer while she's in the pen. If she had been part of the union, I'm sure she would have gotten better advice: admit nothing; blame the other guy; claim discrimination - you know, the usual defense.
Kelly Rindfleisch is heading to jail. She plead guilty.
Ken Starr got more important convictions.
The John Doe thing is a joke.
But, don't worry...I will be quite outraged when it hits your side.
"Our tracking polls showed that Alvarez's union ties were devastating," said [Republican] Faulconer pollster John Nienstedt. "We morphed it into an anchor on him."
"Dysfunctional" isn't the right word. "Malignant" makes more sense. "Dysfunctional" implies that something doesn't work, and it's obvious that public sector unions have managed to buy themselves power using taxpayer monies in the past. However, the body politic is starting to notice the problem and respond appropriately to the cancer.
The John Doe thing is a joke.
I have no doubt that you aren't troubled by crimes ranging from campaign finance violations by a Walker supporter, embezzlement by Walker aides from charities, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, and misconduct in public office.
Nice admission I caught you lying
No you didn't.
That's the thing with garage, if he believes its true, then its gonna be true. They'll be some link that proves it, and don't bother with facts. Or at some point he'll disappear from the thread because you just don't see the truth. But there's always links. Impeccable and unbiased sources of facts.
"you aren't troubled by crimes ranging from campaign finance violations by a Walker supporter, embezzlement by Walker aides from charities, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, and misconduct in public office."
Prove it.
Hey GM wold you mind posting a link to the law that forbids union dues being used for political purposes? I ask because all the Googling I've done indicates the opposite.
San Diego is (politically) pretty much still a military town. Its politics still tend to skew fairly conservatively.
This result, coming in a low-turnout election, coming off a slimeball Democratic mayor, don't seem overly surprising
I have no doubt that you aren't troubled by crimes ranging from campaign finance violations by a Walker supporter, embezzlement by Walker aides from charities, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, and misconduct in public office.
Given that the current President shut down verification of credit card payments on his site for donations, allowing unfettered international "donations" to his campaign.
You, it should be noted, have little problem with this.
"you aren't troubled by crimes ranging from campaign finance violations by a Walker supporter, embezzlement by Walker aides from charities, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, and misconduct in public office."
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"Prove it."
2/12/14, 5:42 PM
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Here's the embezzlement story.
Walker aide found guilty in embezzlement.
Given that the current President shut down zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Hell, the mayor of NYC just had an ally let out of jail by pressuring the police.
So, spare me your faux indignation.
Given that the current President shut down zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
That's the funny part.
You're LIVID about "campaign finance violations by a Walker supporter", but seem uninterested in REPEAT violations of law by your beloved President.
I won't even go into the remainder of his assorted illegal activities. Obama is Nixon without the intellect or moral compass.
San Diego is a military town. It leans to the right but wobbles a little sometimes.
"I just wonder where the Unions get all this money they threw down the toilet here."
They steal it fair and square.
You're LIVID about "campaign finance violations by a Walker supporter", but seem uninterested in REPEAT violations of law by your beloved President.
I'm not LIVID and I don't you understand the difference between an actual criminal proceeding and a winger conspiracy theory.
"I think what we are seeing — and what we saw here in Wisconsin in 2011 — is a new visibility to the dysfunctional cycling of money between the public employee unions and the Democratic Party."
Yes. Exhibit A:
D-E-T-R-O-I-T.
It's already against federal law to use union dues for political contributions.
It is against the law to sneak into the United States, too, but SOMEBODY mowed my lawn last week.
Rindfleisch pleaded guilty in 2012 to one felony count of misconduct in office for doing campaign work at her government job.
Didn't Hillary just get caught doing that this week?
Hillary plead guilty to one felony count of misconduct in office this week? Guess I missed that.
It's 72 degrees in San Diego right now. Fuck San Diego.
I'm not LIVID and I don't you understand the difference between an actual criminal proceeding and a winger conspiracy theory.
The shutting off of card verification isn't a theory.
Simple reality. It happened. Twice. And the DEFAULT setting is for it to be on, so Obama had it turned off.
Inga said... "you aren't troubled by crimes ranging from campaign finance violations by a Walker supporter, embezzlement by Walker aides from charities, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, and misconduct in public office."
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"Prove it."
2/12/14, 5:42 PM
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Here's the embezzlement story.
Walker aide found guilty in embezzlement.
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Of course this would never happen if DEMOCRATS were involved...
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