September 12, 2012

Spontaneous and non-spontaneous protests at the Capitol.

Here's an interview with the new Wisconsin Capitol Police Chief Dave Erwin, giving some explanation for the new, stronger enforcement of the rules than we saw under the prior chief, Charles Tubbs, who tolerated some pretty extreme protests activity in our Capitol.

Now, we're hearing about arrests that trouble those of us who care about free speech. The Capitol rotunda is an extremely desirable location for protesters. It's also a place that people use and enjoy for all kinds of organized and casual purposes. The center of the floor in the rotunda is a popular spot for protest singers and sign-holders and also — when they're not afraid of getting stepped on — for children who lie down to stare up into the dome. How do you manage these divergent and conflicting uses? Erwin says:

In the administrative codes we have an exemption for spontaneous events. Spontaneous events will occur and we will protect and there will be no enforcement actions.

But permitted events, if you have a permit, we have to share this building. We can’t let a few people — because they’re vocal — have their way here in this building and we’re not going to. And we’re going to move forward with enforcement. If you don’t have a permit, ask for one. It doesn’t cost anything to get a permit. I sign them all the time.
Preserving the ability to have sudden spontaneous protests is key. Those should not require a permit... and they don't. It might be hard sometimes to distinguish between spontaneous and non-spontaneous, but there are some clear cases:
Where you have an event when you hand out song books and you meet every day, that’s not a spontaneous event.  When the same players show up every day in participating in an event, whether that’s holding signs — that they’ve put a lot of labor of love into. 
Labor of love... that is, the care that went into making the sign is evidence of non-spontaneity. The protesters could take care to look careless. But if permit process is so easy, whenever you'd consider making that kind of effort, it would be easier to get the permit. I don't think the protesters want to concede they ought to have to get a permit, and even if it is easy to get a permit, would the same group be able to claim the prime rotunda space every weekday noon hour? And once there's any judgment applied to denying the permits, there will be charges of discrimination against those who are protesting the government.

The saga continues.

8 comments:

A. Shmendrik said...

Spontaneous protest...hmmm. This would be like Tammy Baldwin and 3-4 other women rushing into the rotunda and doing "Wonder Woman" a capella?

I'm sorry. I just can't get that tune out of my mind...

bagoh20 said...

What does spontaneous or not have to do with anything? A Riot can be spontaneous. A murderous mob or arson can be spontaneous. A peaceful respectful protest can be planed or all vice versa.

What should be the criteria is peace and respect.

edutcher said...

As the chief says, "If you don’t have a permit, ask for one. It doesn’t cost anything to get a permit. I sign them all the time".

Seems like there really isn't an excuse for "spontaneous" demonstrations.

IMHO.

traditionalguy said...

He is using the smoke and mirrors of the murder one versus manslaughter distinction as malice aforethought or not.

The answer to that question will always be in the eye of the beholder. It is NOT an objective standard at all...it was always created to justify giving mercy to some and imposing strict enforcement on others as the All Powerful chief of police deigns that day.

Michael said...

The Wisconsin Capitol isreserved for lefties. Period. Tell the children to buy a postcard of the dome.

Calypso Facto said...

The Wisconsin Capitol isreserved for lefties. Period. Tell the children to buy a postcard of the dome.

This is what the defenders of this practice of nonstop protest overlook: their demonstrations prevent access and full use by other groups, including school trips and educational pursuits.

garage mahal said...

This is what the defenders of this practice of nonstop protest overlook: their demonstrations prevent access and full use by other groups, including school trips and educational pursuits.

Not true. Erwin himself said he hands out permits all the time.

Synova said...

But does he sign permits for simultaneous events over a certain number of people, garage?

Or does 22 school buses full of 5th graders, 11am to 1pm with brown bag lunches, mean that others get signed permits for the afternoon?