11:10: At this point, Limbaugh details the the time line of the controversy, beginning with Issa's hearing. "Democrats tried to play a game" with that hearing. The hearing was originally not about contraception, but because Obama has a problem with women voters, Democrats decided to make the hearing about contraception and therefore to replace their male witness with the female Sandra Fluke (in violation of the committee's rules), Limbaugh said. This led to the spectacle of Fluke's exclusion, and then the Democrats' subcommittee staged testimony with Fluke, which, Rush asserts, showed her not to be the kind of expert who belonged on Issa's panel. Fluke "gave vague examples based on unnamed friends."
11:18: Georgetown is a Catholic University, Limbaugh says. Fluke didn't need to choose to attend that institution. "Why are you really there? Actually, they know what they're doing. They intentionally" choose institutions like this in order to work within them, trying to change them, he says. And Obama is trying to force these institutions to pay for birth control, over their moral objections. And the Democrats used Fluke to advance their agenda, he says. He wishes he'd said that last week. He focused on the idea of her having frequent sex because he's trying to be entertaining and it was relatively easy to do. That was the wrong focus. "I acted too much like the leftists who despise me.... It's way beneath me. It was wrong. I apologize — because I succumbed."
11:27: "The left... the media... giddy that some advertisers are leaving the program." But these advertisers have "done very well" through using his show to reach his audience. "They've decided they don't want you.... This show is about you, not the advertisers." He knows he's successful because of the listeners.
11:33: Intro music to this next segment is "Higher Ground." The previous segment began with "She Bop." Rush says he rejects millions of dollars in advertising because he puts the audience above the advertisers. He rejected GM, he says.
11:35: "The advertisers who don't want you — fine, we'll replace them." He criticizes those "on the left" who pressured the advertisers. That's not something he and his people do.
11:37: "I'm not waiting for apologizing from people on the left" who say "despicable" things. He mentions Bill Maher and Sarah Palin. "Don't expect apologies." He's portraying himself as on a higher level — "Higher Ground" — than his critics. He apologizes (for sinking to their level), and they don't apologize (it's their level). And they don't respect you, the people who make up his audience, who mean so much to him.
11:38: He quotes Tocqueville: "It is indeed difficult to imagine how men who have entirely renounced the habit of managing their own affairs could be successful in choosing those who ought to lead them. It is impossible to believe that a liberal, energetic, and wise government can ever emerge from the ballots of a nation of servants." That sets up a more general attack on Obama and the Democrats.
11:52: I won't live-blog all 3 hours of the show, but I'll listen to the rest on podcast later. To sum up:
1. Rush emphasized his high values and his apology for falling from them.
2. He characterized the left as consistently behaving at the level that he unfortunately descended to and as never apologizing for that behavior.
3. He wishes he'd emphasized what really matters, which is how the Democrats played Issa's committee to try to help Obama with his problem appealing to women voters. [ADDED: I note that he helped the Dems win at this game.]
4. He loves his listeners and does the show for them, not the advertisers, of whom he has plenty champing at the bit to get onto the program.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 328 of 328F any insurance company thought it in their economic self-interest to cover contraception, they would. If you think it would be profitable to cover contraception, start an insurance company.
Jay, you keep telling people that they are defining words wrong, but it is you who seems illiterate. To say birth is not a medical issue is as bizarre and misguided as saying neutral means something other that what it actually does.
Giving birth would be considering a medical issue.
Getting condoms, not so much.
Off topic....
Turns out there is a nascent Marco Rubio birther movement... Of all the things to copy from the conservative movement, what kind of moron copies birtherism?
phx wrote: "hombre: Let's start with reason."
Reason isn't a value. It is a capacity common to human beings and an underlying cause giving rise to value or values.
To say that, "Reason is my main value" tells us nothing about you or your cause except that you probably think you are more intelligent than you are and are pompous about it.
Which of the absurd points of view shared by the left on this issue that I referenced at 11:58 are yielded by "reason"? What values are reflected?
Fish or cut bait!
LIAR LIAR LIAR!
@Joe - I'm going to go with you not being an Alinskyist based upon the reasonableness (however incorrect) of your comments, so I will respond ...to your displayed ignorance of basic Christian belief. And hence, the hollowness of your arguments.
Most Protestent, and all Catholic and Orthodox theology (in other words, most of mainstream Christianity, and I think most Jewish teachings), assert that life begins at conception. (And that the spirit - the soul - destined for that new life, begins even earlier.)
Christians (and Jews) base this belief upon their adherence to certain scriptural referents of what they maintain as the veritable Word of God (i.e., upon the testaments of the Holy Bible) ...and upon centuries of theological analytics, by very profound and gifted scholars and thinkers within the body of the church.
The Christian assertion that life begins at conception, and so cannot be wantonly destroyed (else it be murder ...a mortal sin) is a fundamental concept within, and integral to, their beliefs, and to their doctrine, to their religion, and to the Judeo-Christian culture (and hence, the culture of the West ...though that be an argument for another time).
When the state mandates that a religion - any religion, but especially a religion that teaches and believes life and soul begins in innocency at the very moment of conception - provide contraception ...the state has indeed performed - in effect - an "establishment" of [a "humanist"] religion. It has said, in effect "The states judiciable definition of life negates your religious belief in life, and you may no longer practice your belief."
Just because this newly "mandated" state religion has no particular liturgy, and no "religionist" physical edifice (no "building") if you will, is beside the point. Any and every assertion that this is not a religion, is also beside the point. The state has adopted by promulgation of its bureaucracy as the basis of its tenets an actual antipathy to core Christian beliefs ...the Obama administration has in essence established the state as The Church of Humanism, and demanded that all other religions adhere to a core belief [of the "justiciable genesis of life"] (and again, however vacuous and unstated that total "system" of beliefs, may be).
This statement - that the state has in effect, and indeed, set itself as an "establishment" of essentially religious belief - is not a debatable point ...it is not subject to your point of view or my point of view ...it is also not justiciable, nor amenable to interpretation. It can be denied, but only by an adherence to rationality that is fatuous at best. It simply is what it is.
And as Christians begin - like you, now - to be schooled, and so come to understand the ultimate import of this action by the state, the mandate will not stand.
The state cannot, and will not, prevail in this attempt to create an "establishment of religion" whether in contradistinction of no formal or recognizable liturgy or no.
...or the freedoms inherent in the Declaration, and the Constitution will have ceased to have any meaning whatsoever. Upon such as that day, America will have died.
May it never come to pass.
Hey, Ruy, good to see you.
I was also wondering why Rush was losing so many companies so quickly? He insulted one person, not threatened their life. I just found out many of these companies' CEOs are rather connected with liberal causes...it's a long read, but it explains everything. So even if Mr L never said the S-word, these cats were going to leave over something.
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/03/05/rally-for-rush/
Reason isn't a value. It is a capacity common to human beings and an underlying cause giving rise to value or values.
To say that, "Reason is my main value" tells us nothing about you or your cause except that you probably think you are more intelligent than you are and are pompous about it.
Which of the absurd points of view shared by the left on this issue that I referenced at 11:58 are yielded by "reason"? What values are reflected?
But reason most certainly is a value. And that's true whether or not I'm pompous, or you just think I am.
I don't speak for "the left", and they don't speak for me. I speak for myself. That's reasonable isn't it?
cokaygne wrote: I grieve for my country and I blame it on Republicans because their base is bigoted small-town Protestants and lace-curtain Irish. Whenever victory is within [the GOP's] grasp and the country is close to turning away from disastrous welfare-state policies..., the Republicans ignore their chance and pander to the American Gothic crowd.
What is it that keeps you from noticing that establishment Repubs are as responsible for our "disastrous welfare state policies" as the Dems, and that the main counterforce in the party includes the "American Gothic crowd?"
Could it be your own bigotry?
"Lace-curtain Irish" indeed!
garage mahal said...
LIAR LIAR LIAR!
RAIL RAIL RAIL!
(that's what you look like in the mirror)
(that's what you look like in the mirror)
Really. That topic hasn't come up in months. But, Jay, screams that in every thread. (And rarely attempts to point out what supposed lie is)
As they suffer from self-inflicted wounds - - then wallow under ridiculous 'apologies' that confuse sincerity with spin and justification for awareness - - we learn that ideologues don't do damage control very well.
Counterpunch!
Any decent ref would stop this fight right now.
@garage: I intended the verb form "to rail"
The railroad nuance was a double entendre just for you.
Don't make me explain everything.
phx wrote: "Reason isn't a value. It is a capacity common to human beings and an underlying cause giving rise to value or values ...."
But reason most certainly is a value. And that's true whether or not I'm pompous, or you just think I am.
And you probably think "reason most certainly is a value" is a rebuttal based on reason and not just an unsupported assertion.
It is "valuable" in the sense that it allows you to offer an assertion to deflect attention away from the issues I've asked you about. But it is not a value.
Please note that I attempt to explain why reason is not a value by describing what it is.
I know that "because I say so" is considered persuasive among the lefties, but it doesn't cut it when reality knocks.
Knock, knock.
Rush emphasized his high values and his apology for falling from them.
High values? Rush must not listen to his own program:
“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”
"Some of these babes, I'm telling you, like the sexual harassment crowd. They're out there protesting what they actually wish would happen to them sometimes."
"Duke University has now decided that students, college students at Duke, 8:00 classes are too early. They're going to eliminate 8:00 classes because the students are showing up dead tired. Now what this means to me is that more professors are having affairs with students. And there's a reason for the fatigue."
"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."
For those wondering why the FUD is so deep today, more bad economic news - biggest drop in factory orders and shipments in over a year, following the worst durable goods orders in 3 years.
PS And, on the issue of HBO having no advertisers, keep in mind HBO has subscribers, so Bill Maher can be held as accountable as Rush by dropping HBO. More to the point, HBO is owned by Time Warner, so boycotting anything owned by Time Warner, and letting them know why, also does the trick.
Interesting concept, Limbaugh trying to portray himself as a victim!
We wish him well in this endeavor.
PS And, on the issue of HBO having no advertisers, keep in mind HBO has subscribers, so Bill Maher can be held as accountable as Rush by dropping HBO.
Isn't BHO the network airing the Palin hit piece, "Game Change."
hombre said: And you probably think "reason most certainly is a value" is a rebuttal based on reason and not just an unsupported assertion.
It is "valuable" in the sense that it allows you to offer an assertion to deflect attention away from the issues I've asked you about. But it is not a value.
Please note that I attempt to explain why reason is not a value by describing what it is.
I know that "because I say so" is considered persuasive among the lefties, but it doesn't cut it when reality knocks.
Hombre you are so quotable.
Reason is a value not because I say it is but because it is self-evidently a value, something held to be valuable by people. Now I can believe that it is not a value that you share, based on your comments. Or you just aren't at reasoning.
This is really dumbing it down for you indeed, but here goes: just because you describe reason as something else, even if you're description is apt, does not mean that reason isn't also a value!
Do you see how that works?
If I say "Love of country" is an emotion that can be used to strengthen our republic and motivate our citizenry, and we agree that it's true, does not mean love of country isn't also a "value".
Now show me something else or step aside.
Shilho wrote: We wish him well in this endeavor.
I don't think Limabaugh gives a flying fluck what you think.
Come back to earth one day, spaceman.
Oops, I'm stooping to your level.
davis br wrote: Most Protestent, and all Catholic and Orthodox theology (in other words, most of mainstream Christianity, and I think most Jewish teachings), assert that life begins at conception.
Regardless, virtually all human embyologiists would agree that life begins at fertilization, which is simultaneous with conception.
http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/kisc/kisc_01humanembryology.html
clittle has trouble w/the concept of sarcasm.
take care, little buddy
@shilho: Your humor has all the sarcasm of a sarcoma.
But I understand your need to push back at Limbaugh. He threatens your man.
chickenlittle said...
PS And, on the issue of HBO having no advertisers, keep in mind HBO has subscribers, so Bill Maher can be held as accountable as Rush by dropping HBO.
Isn't BHO the network airing the Palin hit piece, "Game Change."
In the words of a great Marine aviator, "You are correct, sir!".
Joe said: If it's constitutional for a state to dictate what health insurance policies must cover, why is it not okay for the federal government to do so ASSUMING they have that power?
The 10th Amendment says:The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
From this, where do you get the idea that whatever a State can do, the Federal Government can do as well?
Oops, I'm stooping to your level.
Just.Like.Rush!
wv kingtits lushfoam
Ms. Fluke, advice: Americans aren't overly fond of people who refuse to accept apologies and proceed to insult the person issuing it.
Makes you come across as a total bitch.
Reason is a value not because I say it is but because it is self-evidently a value, something held to be valuable by people. Now I can believe that it is not a value that you share, based on your comments. Or you just aren't at reasoning.
That's kind of a silly definition of "value" in the sense you are using it though. You are speaking of things that "are valued" meaning they are valuable. But when a person typically speaks of philosophical values, they are speaking of moral axioms that are almost always based on fundamentally unprovable axioms.
I feel like one of characters in the Twilight Zone who wakes up to find himself in a town that is completely empty. Last night ABC debuted a show called GBC as in "Good Christian Bitches." It wasn't what you would call a nuanced and empathetic look at Southern, white, conservative Christian women. They don't seem to have much fellow feeling for blondes either.
In fact it was every bit as cartoonishly bigoted as one would expect from Libocrats who run ABC. And you people are playing along with the 3rd grade playground mentality of "teacher, teacher, Billy called me a naughty word?"
Incredible! We likely going to lose to these sociopathic hypocrites yet.... unreal... time for a drink.
"I don't expect, and I know you don't either, morality or intellectual honesty from the left," he said. "...This is the mistake I made: in fighting them on this issue last week, I became like them. Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything I know to be right and wrong, I descended to their level. I feel very badly about that."
The man just can't bring himself to show the dignity and guts to admit he's made an even bigger fool of himself than already thought.
And why Ann and Meade literally slobber over this cretin on a regular basis tells you how ridiculous they really are.
He's an ignorant fool.
phx wrote: Reason is a value not because I say it is but because it is self-evidently a value, something held to be valuable by people. Now I can believe that it is not a value that you share, based on your comments... Now show me something else or step aside.
Wow. The fallacies of "begging the question", "appeal to authority", and ad hominem attack all rolled into one paragraph. Remarkable!
Okay. Here's something else: "Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason In Everyday Life," by Kahane and Cavender (2002, 393 pages). Take a look
I selected this one to help you because it is relatively short and has pictures.
If it's all the same to you, I'll just assume you are unable to respond reasonably to the matters I raised at 11:58. Isn't this how most of your interactions here are terminated?
Rush needs to not issue further apologies.
@gasrage: Gigadittos!
Mr. Blue - Yeah, literally everybody who aorks for ABC is a liberal.
Every single one of them.
And all of the people who work for Fox (who produce their full share of insane programming) is a wingnut.
Duh.
Chip, that is good information to know. However, that does leave 5 states which don't have opt out provisions. (Which misses the broader point that mandates exist at all levels and other religions may have issues with some of those mandates.)
Like everyone, the Catholic Church has every right to petition the government and exercise their freedom of speech.
My broader point is that all people and religions, including the Catholic Church, do go along with government laws and regulations that they individually find reprehensible. That is part and parcel of living in a pluralistic society.
mr blue said...
I feel like one of characters in the Twilight Zone who wakes up to find himself in a town that is completely empty. Last night ABC debuted a show called GBC as in "Good Christian Bitches."
They forget the Dixie Chicks rule, "You don't diss your audience".
And they wonder why the number of households with a TV set is declining.
More than half of states require insurance policies that cover other prescription drugs to also cover all FDA-approved contraceptive drugs and devices, as well as related medical services.
Although some of these state policies allow employers or insurers to refuse to cover contraceptives on religious or moral grounds, other states have limited mandates requiring coverage of contraception that apply to either specific types of insurers, such as health maintenance organizations (HMOs), or coverage written for a segment of the insurance market.
edutcher / mr. blue: How do you already know whether the series will be popular or not?
You're suddenly television critics?
Ya'll cons forgetting that Rush doubled-down and demanded sex tapes and there was no apology for that one! Let's face it, Rush is over the hill and it's time for fresh con blood!
@sofa king - Context is everything.
hombre: What are your values?
me: Let's start with reason.
hombre: Reason isn't a value It is a capacity common to human beings and an underlying cause giving rise to value or values.
Last night ABC debuted a show called GBC as in "Good Christian Bitches."
Unreal! I guess ABC had decided they don't need the Christian viewer.
phx - I can assure you I am NOT with Flush Limpballs ever since the Oxycontin thing!
hombre sez to me: If it's all the same to you, I'll just assume you are unable to respond reasonably to the matters I raised at 11:58. Isn't this how most of your interactions here are terminated?
Those matters DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME! GET IT? I HAVEN'T READ THEM, SIGNED OFF ON THEM, OR AGREED OR DISAGREED WITH THEM. They weren't even addressed to me as far as I know.
I don't speak for anyone but myself. And no one speaks for me.
Keep pretending you know what you are talking about, genius. And yes, if you want to call that an "ad hominem", go right ahead. You aren't responsive to reason.
My brother hombre can have the last word on this matter.
phx - please tell which other Republicans I must denounce in order to get invited to all the swanky liberal parties.
Not letting people see posts after 200 is a death knell for a topic.
@Alex it never bothers me who you are for or against. I always enjoy the posts where you aren't being a complete prick to Andy.
Dude flashes "Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason In Everyday Life," by Kahane and Cavender (2002, 393 pages) like it's his Get Out of Jail Free card.
Another reason the FUDsters are out today: It looks like the Demos are way short of campaign money.
Love said...
edutcher / mr. blue: How do you already know whether the series will be popular or not?
You're suddenly television critics?
The decision to watch or not watch a TV show makes everyone a critic. I wasn't aware a press credential was required.
But I was referring to the 80+% of this country that believes in God plus those virtuous - and discerning - atheists and agnostics who have taste enough, and class enough, to stay away from hate-filled dreck like this, specifically. Like the Ditzy Twits, ABC has decided it only wants to broadcast to a fraction of the population.
phx wrote: Those matters DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME! GET IT? I HAVEN'T READ THEM, SIGNED OFF ON THEM, OR AGREED OR DISAGREED WITH THEM. They weren't even addressed to me as far as I know.
"I haven't read them, but I just know they don't have anything to do with me and I haven't agreed with them." LOL
"Those matters" cover just about every issue relating to compelling religious institutions to provide health coverage including contraception and abortive medicine.
If you don't want to discuss them wtf are you doing here? Talkin' 'bout Rush or merely trolling? Just askin'.
And: My brother hombre can have the last word on this matter.
Okay, thanks.
"Those matters" cover just about every issue relating to compelling religious institutions to provide health coverage including contraception and abortive medicine.
No, I don't have a strong opinion about that topic at all. I'm interested in the Rush apology and how people of differing political points of view reason with one another.
Carbonite's MoveOn connection suggests Carbonite's customers have tacitly agreed to transfer their patents, trademarks, and financials to Alinsky & Co..
Is it just me, or has Glenn (Reynolds) suddenly grown a pair of balls?
"I'm interested in ... how people of differing political points of view reason with one another."
Cool.
edutcher - The program is based on a very popular book, fool.
And if you think the millions of Christians throughout the country are going to be up in arms about this one show...what are your feelings about vampires, werewolves, witches, etc.
There are plenty of very popular shows depicting them in a favorable light.
As for being the new T.V. critic...when someone bashes a show (that they probably didn't even see in the first place) that's been on for one night...what's the point?
It's all subjective.
phx - "how people of differing political points of view reason with one another."
If that's what you're interested in...you're on the wrong blog site.
95% of the people who post here have one point of view: what does ann and meade think.
phx - "how people of differing political points of view reason with one another."
If that's what you're interested in...you're on the wrong blog site.
95% of the people who post here have one point of view: what does ann and meade tell them they should think.
Here's the ONLY reason for the fat man to apoligize:
Ninth Advertiser Pulls Commercials From Rush Limbaugh's Radio Show
phx said...
@Alex it never bothers me who you are for or against. I always enjoy the posts where you aren't being a complete prick to Andy.
But those are the times I find Alex at his best. That and when he writes about making his lady squirt.
I find it harder and harder to believe that Andy R is sincere--he could just as easily be an over-the-top caricature of the angry gay male—sort of a milder Downtown Lad.
Love said...
Here's the ONLY reason for the fat man to apoligize:
Ninth Advertiser Pulls Commercials From Rush Limbaugh's Radio Show.
I don't know about you but I'm going to start listening to Limbaugh more frequently just to hear who he replaces the drop-outs with.
"I always enjoy the posts where you aren't being a complete prick to Andy."
lol damned w/faint praise!
>
"95% of the people who post here"
Believe it's gone from 80/20 to 90/10 recently. :D
But hey, the more conservatives the better as they stumble over each other trying to say Obama sucks 24/7, w/Althouse as their steadfast cheerleader.
Quite the Rep dog and pony show! :)
"I'm interested in ... how people of differing political points of view reason with one another."
That doesn't mean that I don't post my political opinions as well, which I think I always represent genuinely. They are fairly moderate and lean decidedly but not exclusively to the left.
I don't generally troll but I confess now and then I can't help myself with someone who's begging for it.
I'm never offended by anyone's political opinion. If I ever am, as an exception, I generally get over it in five to ten minutes.
I find it harder and harder to believe that Andy R is sincere--he could just as easily be an over-the-top caricature of the angry gay male—sort of a milder Downtown Lad.
Andy strikes me as a fairly benign lefty. He usually starts his posts without being particularly offensive. A lot of people can't seem to control themselves; as soon as he makes his appearance they go ballistic. Like they never met a lefty before.
Damn, if a righty can't handle an argument or disagreement with someone as garden variety as Andy without turning into a exploding dickhead, what must they be like in real life?
Have any Democrats repudiated Huffington Posts recent anti-Catholic hatefilled rants by their writers?
Love said...
edutcher - The program is based on a very popular book, fool.
Popular with whom, jerk?
The TV audience is far bigger than the audience of most books. That's why it's called the mass audience, idiot.
And if you think the millions of Christians throughout the country are going to be up in arms about this one show...what are your feelings about vampires, werewolves, witches, etc.
Since vampires, werewolves, witches, etc. are fictitious, I have no opinion whatsoever, moron.
There are plenty of very popular shows depicting them in a favorable light.
Only if you want to go back to the ones made in the 50s or 60s, dimwit.
As for being the new T.V. critic...when someone bashes a show (that they probably didn't even see in the first place) that's been on for one night...what's the point?
That's what TV critics do, cretin. View the first episode and write a review.
Here's the ONLY reason for the fat man to apoligize:
Ninth Advertiser Pulls Commercials From Rush Limbaugh's Radio Show
No big deal, dingbat. They're all apparently owned by Lefties who are cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
Their loss.
Since vampires, werewolves, witches, etc. are fictitious
Are they? How do you know this? o_O
Another thing about Andy, I don't think I've ever seen him get personal here with anyone. Maybe he has, but almost invariably the exploding dicks get personal with him before he gets a chance to take his hat off.
I'm still waiting for the "enemies list" of Republicans that I must denounce ASAP.
@Alex it's in the secret mailbox in the old deserted mansion.
Why do you think I think you should denounce someone? I think Dems should put the pressure on Republican leadership to denounce Rush, because I think that would be good politically for them.
But I don't think anyone's paying any fucking attention to you, other than me. Do you?
phx said...
Another thing about Andy, I don't think I've ever seen him get personal here with anyone.
Calling people bigots and a few other filthy names isn't getting personal?
Maybe he has, but almost invariably the exploding dicks get personal with him before he gets a chance to take his hat off.
"exploding dicks"? The Lefties certainly know how to keep it above the personal, don't they?
But phx, troll that he is, conveniently omits the fact Hatman invariably makes ridiculous charges and blanket condemnations in his first sentence. Calling anybody who is Christian or Catholic a bigot - no, nothing personal in that, is there?
If phx is trying to make some phony case that the Lefties are better than everybody else here, he failed.
Miserably. Ludicrously. Risibly. Hilariously.
phx wrote: I think Dems should put the pressure on Republican leadership to denounce Rush, because I think that would be good politically for them.
Let's just transpose the subjects and objects to hear how sully that would be..
"I think Reps should put the pressure on Democrat leadership to denounce Rush, because I think that would be good politically for them."
Now let's switch the object d'ire to hear how unlikely that will be..
I think Reps should put the pressure on Democrat leadership to denounce Maher, because I think that would be good politically for them.
My point is that what you wish for is either silly or unlikely.
chickenlittle said: I think Reps should put the pressure on Democrat leadership to denounce Maher, because I think that would be good politically for them.
I'm speaking of exploiting a strictly tactical advantage for the Dems - a very practical affair. I could be wrong, it might not be a good move. But your idea is just a whiny non-starter, don't you think?
phx - so do you maintain that 90% of people here are mouth breathing Althouse-bots?
Since vampires, werewolves, witches, etc. are fictitious
Are they? How do you know this? o_O
Apparently I've stumped edutcher or he's gone away in search of his thinking cap.
Alex no.
well shiloh, Ritmo, Alpha and garage seem to think so! Not only that they have such an air of self-righteousness and feeling of 100% correctness about them that is awe-inspiring!
Mike,
The viagra comparison isn't to birth control - it is to menopausal medication and vaginal dryness remedies. Things that treat medical conditions which prevent proper sexual functioning.
Bingo. I don't know why people have so much difficulty formulating proper analogies.
Alex I always speak for myself. Which of the righties speak for you?
I ♥ Willard said...
Since vampires, werewolves, witches, etc. are fictitious
Are they? How do you know this? o_O
Apparently I've stumped edutcher or he's gone away in search of his thinking cap.
No, I've just been paralyzed with laughter for the past quarter hour in the face of such arrant stupidity.
Doubtless ♥ also believes in elves, gnomes, and fairies.
Pardon me while I take my leave of this left wing circle jerk.
My ribs still hurt from laughing.
phx - you are an amazing free-thinking Obama voter!
I also don't accept other people's characterizations of third parties. I make up my own mind about that.
Alex get out more. Join me.
I'm speaking of exploiting a strictly tactical advantage for the Dems - a very practical affair. I could be wrong, it might not be a good move. But your idea is just a whiny non-starter, don't you think?
Romney's about the only Republican I can imagine doing that at this point in time.
I know this would resonate poorly with many, myself included.
chickenlittle do you think you are more or less conservative than the average Romney voter in November's election?
It's clear by now that the HotAir.com, Blaze.com, RedState.com crowd are dead-enders determined to re-elect Obama. To their credit, they gallantly go "over the top" into the machine guns.
I don't know why people have so much difficulty formulating proper analogies.
I do. Liberals have stopped schools from educating and turned them into indoctrination factories.
You aren't graded according to whether you formulated a proper analogy or not, you are graded as to whether your writing attacks the "right" targets.
Which is why the more hard-core lefties think they win an argument by revealing their inability to string two thoughts together in a logical sequence or recognize a plausible conclusion.
The idea of course is to put the Republicans, including Romney, in an uncomfortable position: they denounce Rush and alienate the chickenlittle's, or they hem and haw and alienate the moderates and women and undecideds...and women.
The idea is to make it uncomfortable for Republicans.
I've just been paralyzed with laughter for the past quarter hour
Ah, so I did stump you! Were you able to control your bladder?
Doubtless ♥ also believes in elves, gnomes, and fairies.
Actually I don't, but then again, I don't believe in God or gods, either, for much the same reason.
I thought you might have something interesting to say on the subject of mythical beings in general, especially considering your certainty in relation to a subset of such beings, but I suppose I should have considered the source before raising my hopes.
My ribs still hurt from laughing.
Good! Glad to be of service. Have a super day!
You know, this whole controversy reminds me of something horrible that happened to me one time.
I don't like to talk about it; in fact, I've never told a soul about this, until now.
Late one night, I felt a bit peckish, and in the mood for a piece of lemon meringue pie, I went to a local all-hours diner. When the bill came, I handed the waitress my Anthem Blue Cross card.
And to my horror, she handed it back to me, and said "That will be $4.50, cash." You can only imagine my humiliation.
A quick call to Anthem confirmed that the waitress was right: My policy didn't cover lemon meringue. Or any of the cream pies. Greedy fat-cat sons of bitches.
Am I to shoulder the burden of cream pie myself? I have a piece every work-day for lunch. I'd wager I spend about $50 per month, $600 per year, on cream pies. And if sustenance isn't related to health, what is? Surely it's just as health-related as recreational sex.
I say we need legislation mandating that all employers provide all employees with insurance covering pie -- not just cream pies, but rhubarb, when it's in season. And pecan.
Try running against pie, Rethuglikkkans.
do you think you are more or less conservative than the average Romney voter in November's election?
I honestly don't know. I think many people who voted for Obama last time want to vote for Romney. They are mostly independents and fiscally conservative Dems.
phx - let's not pretend the Democrat voting base is unified right now or anything. They're just as fractured and in shambles! Not the least of which because of the spectacle of supposedly hard-left Democratic mayors and governors implementing austerity programs.
Liberals have stopped schools from educating and turned them into indoctrination factories.
Thank goodness Nathan Alexander averted this fate by stubbornly resisting all attempts at education.
Well done my friend!
Of all the places where we can save money in the budget, the Republicans choose to draw the line here.
It's when it's women's birth control that we hear and see the gnashing of teeth, the low wailing, the epithets: Sluts! Prostitutes!
Damn right it should be uncomfortable for Republicans. They deserve every minute of this. They got into bed with the extremists.
"And if you think the millions of Christians throughout the country are going to be up in arms about this one show...what are your feelings about vampires, werewolves, witches, etc."
This Love person seems exceptionally obtuse. He is fulminating over the one time use of the term slut to describe a pro sex activist who wants her woo woo paid for. Mind you to the point of getting an old coot thrown off AM radio. But a television show on a major network is going to call southern conservative women bitches for the next ten years and it's "No problem dude, and you christians are over sensitive whiners who need to tolerate major media organizations calling your women whatever we damn well feel like. Now did you hear that Limbaugh fellow called one of our pro sex activists a .... gasp, SLUT? Let's go hound his advertisers till we drive him out of business."
Yea, that's consistent... in a Charlie Manson sort of way.
It's a good thing ABC didn't call their show "Good Christian Sluts" otherwise "Love" would be leading the charge to have their license revoked.
Seriously, how do you think a dialogue with such mentalities can possibly lead to progress in fixing our broken country. I will be surprised if we are not shooting each other within 5 years, no matter who wins the election.
Alex I don't disagree with. Takes a real special kind of GOP incompetence to be in this much disarray given the Dems weak hand, doesn't it?
And sweet potato.
And cherry, when it has a nice streusel topping.
Rush Limbaugh keeps digging a hole, so why should he stop?
Meanwhile, Sandra Fluke does not have to make up her mind to sue him, tomorrow. (She probably has two years. OR? Maybe, Rush soon enough will make her an offer?)
Otherwise? Sandra Fluke can write a book. She's got name recognition. And, she could put her law education to use ... At least to prove to herself that it's worth going to law school?
Can you imagine all her professors? They've heard of Rush Limbaugh. They've got opinions.
You'd be surprised ... but it's just like birth control. Back in the 1940's ALL THAT WAS AVAILABLE were condoms. Which a man had to buy from the pharmacist. They were illegal to put on shelf space.
Today? Do you know all the choices that are out there?
Did you know in yester-year men would wash their condoms after use, and let them hang out to dry?
Yes. They were wrapped in tin foil. So you could carry one in your wallet.
I was shown when by a boy in my class when I was 12. He took out this little black foil packet. It had "Trojan" written on the front. He laughed and said "I wouldn't know what it was."
So, of course, when I got home I asked my dad. And, much to my surprise he said: "I think you better ask your mother."
Rush Limbaugh keeps digging a hole, so why should he stop?
Carol often gets right to the point with her first sentence. That's church right there. And the Dems will tie the GOP to Rush, sho' nuff the sun come up tomorrow.
phx - the real answer is the religious right holds all the power in the GOP. They would rather die on the hill of "social values" then have a robust economy where everyone is free to live their own "social values". They are tyrants just as much as the Obama-bots.
Alex I do think you have a problem with the religious right. I think you also have a problem with the extreme Tea Partiers who seem to have few people skills and a lot of pent up anger.
If I'm voting for Obama I want your religious leaders and hysterical Tea Partiers front and center. No shutting them up!
I feel for you.
I never paid much attention in school...I was too busy educating myself through reading.
One thing brainwashing requires: participation by the brainwashed.
But I had a number of concepts/ideas that were placed in my thinking by liberal teachers.
The difference between me and a liberal is I outgrew childish nonsense.
"shiloh, Ritmo, Alpha and garage seem to think so!"
No Alex, speaking only for myself, but I do enjoy the self-righteousness of the majority conservatives here ie most diehard Reps feel "they" should never lose a presidential election regardless.
Indeed, repeating the astute liberal woman who said a couple days after Kerry lost in 2004: paraphrasing ... Yea, that's a good way to win over the American public by being disingenuously sarcastic after your party just got their butt's kicked in a presidential election.
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btw, some folk are actually comparing the futility of mittens current political situation to Clinton in 1992.
Well, if you don't consider Clinton had/has a personality and can relate to the common man and mittens has no personality and is clueless re: the less fortunate. Plus the fact Clinton was the best politician since JFK and Willard "I didn't understand the question" Rombot can't get out of his own way ...
yea, they are pretty similar lol.
Again, there's a reason mittens lost RINO flip/flopping McCain in 2008 and is currently running against (3) train wrecks and can't seal the deal.
Apologies to train wrecks!
Love,
More than half of states require insurance policies that cover other prescription drugs to also cover all FDA-approved contraceptive drugs and devices, as well as related medical services.
How many of them mandate that the coverage be zero-copay? And how many extend "related medical services," zero deductible, to tubal ligation? I think the answers are "four" and "zero," but if you have better information, I should like to see it.
Does this attitude towards prescription drugs make sense? Drugs for hypertension or high cholesterol, those you have to pay something for. Drugs to manage diabetes, you have to pay something for. Anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, you pay. TB, you pay. Diabetes, you pay. The only thing you do not pay for is birth control, which is the only one of the above drugs that doesn't correct something that is actually wrong with you.
This is perverse.
With all of the noise we've forgotten what this was originally about
(HT: Get Religion"
The trouble with most of you Republicans however is that you're always so quick to use the word "tyrant" or "tyrannical." As in tyrannical US government, or tyrant Obama.
That's a sure deal-breaker with the rest of the American people.
Again, that's just my opinion. YMMV.
I wouldn't say it's religious believers in the GOP who are causing it the most problems. It's the extreme right, the careless-in-language right, and the believers who are right up front fighting the theory of evolution. Or prayer in school.
Is the dem strategy of attacking Rush over this issue and trying to link it to the GOP prez candidates an effective strategy?
For sure Rush and his audience are thrilled and energized when the dems attack Rush. This episode is great for Rush.
Forcing Romney to respond specifically to this episode is not going to be easy. Rush is not a member of the GOP machine, is not a GOP pol. He clearly does not speak for the GOP. Romney is not Rush's preferred GOP candidate so tying Romney to Rush is going to be doubly hard. Romney can just refuse to answer and pivot to attack dem media for their attacks on GOP women and children and biased and corrupt reporting. The lefty media is far more vulnerable to attack than the non lefty media (and it is great primary season politics).
Beyond this, dems focusing on the social issues now helps Romney defeat Santorum for the GOP prez nomination. Talk about your unintended consequences. It also forces GOP voters to confront the reality of which social issues have to go into the background until after the election.
The Obamanuts clearly prefer to face the social conservative Santorum rather than the economy focused Romney but this attack on Rush is helping Mitt and hurting Santorum.
The timing is wrong for the dems. Any tiny benefit they might gain will be forgotten by the time the general election rolls around. Anything that helps Romney win the nomination helps the GOP tremendously.
A better piece from Get Religion
(I'm certainly no fan of Newt but in the video segment he well explains to the issue. And I love his retort to the "framing" question.)
For sure Rush and his audience are thrilled and energized when the dems attack Rush. This episode is great for Rush.
Just to this point quickly Steve. My thinking is it benefits Rush greatly, probably. He's the SOB who gets the $ shot.
The lefty media is far more vulnerable to attack than the non lefty media (and it is great primary season politics).
I won't disagree the lefty media is vulnerable but the rest of that about Rush not being a Romney guy or a spokesman for the GOP - I think you are underestimating the way that a lot of moderates & undecideds think about Rush and the GOP however. Everybody who is not a wonky insider in the GOP thinks Rush and GOP are one and the same. IMO.
Beyond this, dems focusing on the social issues now helps Romney defeat Santorum for the GOP prez nomination.
He better be able to defeat Santorum. If he couldn't the GOP would really be DOA. IMO.
Any tiny benefit they might gain will be forgotten by the time the general election rolls around.
It will come back. Watch. It will be a persistent problem for the GOP until November. Maybe not this exact issue, but the same tired (and self-destructive) dynamic.
Just a theory I have.
Anything that helps Romney win the nomination helps the GOP tremendously.
Romney was going to win the nomination without this kerfluffle.
Greetings Steve Koch.
"Rush is not a member of the GOP machine, is not a GOP pol. He clearly does not speak for the GOP."
Limbaugh was keynote speaker at 2009 CPAC. Repeating, Limbaugh was keynote speaker at 2009 CPAC.
'nuf said!
Plus, most of the conservatives here are "devoted" to Althouse and she is infatuated w/Limbaugh lol.
Yeah that Althouse admiration for Limbaugh surprises me.
So don't take any of my readings of the situation seriously.
"Yeah that Althouse admiration for Limbaugh surprises me."
Well, they are both conservative narcissistic blowhards who worship $$$, but that doesn't explain her admiration. :-P
He clearly does not speak for the GOP."
Limbaugh was keynote speaker at 2009 CPAC. Repeating, Limbaugh was keynote speaker at 2009 CPAC.
You do understand that CPAC is different than the GOP. In the same vein the ADA is not the Democratic party.
"You do understand that CPAC is different than the GOP."
You do understand that ...
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN),
Speaker John Boehner (R-OH)
Herman Cain
Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC)
Newt Gingrich
Mike Huckabee
Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA)
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH),
Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
mama grizzly
Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX)
mittens Romney
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Sen. Rick Santorum
Gov. Rick Scott (R-FL)
Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI)
Rep. Allen West (R-FL)
spoke at this years CPAC ie a distinction w/out a difference!
take care, blessings
How long have college students been getting medical insurance through their college? I never heard of such a thing when I had returned to college in 1988-1992.
Thanks for all the responses. Several good points.
It is clear that anything 8 months before the election that helps Romney get the GOP nomination is a huge plus. Romney getting the nomination is not inevitable but these social conservative issues such as birth control not being good for women, that satan is after the USA, reservations about gay rights are not electoral winners in the general election and are going to sink Santorum sooner rather than later. The dems are doing the GOP a huge favor.
Romney is not vulnerable on these issues so his nomination will deprive the DNC of this line of attack.
The DNC should have kept quiet on social issues until after the GOP convention and tried to facilitate the nomination of Santorum, instead of doing the exact opposite. By forcing the GOP to deal with these issues now, the DNC is forcing the GOP to confront this problem and thus inoculating the GOP.
Rush is way more important to most dems than almost all indies and most GOP voters. He is a radio guy who feeds red meat to a special kind of GOP voter. Trying to brand him is not going to do the dems any good because Rush means nothing to indies but it might energize the GOP to attack/credit the dem media.
Obama responding to Rush was really stupid. It legitimizes Rush and gives him prestige. Why dems react to Rush is beyond me.
Althouse is regularly ridiculed by conservatives on this website rather than being worshiped. I think she is honest and tries to be fair. She is not conservative and leans and votes mostly left.
I just listened to Rush's apology!
Moralistic Rush threw fun-loving Rush under the bus. "I descended to their level." Bah. By using humor to make your point?
I was giggling like mad on Friday. $3000 worth of condoms is funny, damn it. "And we're the pimps!" Aspirin between the knees is funny, too.
If you can't laugh about sex, what the fuck, America. Pimps have no humor, I swear.
So he threw Bad Boy Rush under the bus, and he had to throw all the listeners who were giggling to Bad Boy Rush under the bus, too.
I feel like Rush's white grandmother. Yeah, yeah. Politics. I know!
On Monday's show, it was like Tom Sawyer dressing up nice for his Aunt Polly. You want to see repressive, Puritan scold? That's Monday's show, not Friday's show.
Speaking of Tom Sawyer, you know what's an Althouse speciality? Getting us to paint her fence for her. Althouse is like, "That's not me, that's one of my commentators." And Aunt Polly is like, "You need to clean that filth on your comment page." And Althouse is all, "I don't even read 'em sometimes. That's work."
Today's Tom Sawyer, mean, mean pride.
Joe: If I am a member of a religion which believes war is never justified, then taxation of any kind which directly or indirectly funds any aspect of the military would be unconstitutional.
And that's why religions are generally tax-exempt institutions, genius.
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