They say. And I'm not a deather.
UPDATE, 10:24 CT: Why is Obama taking so long? Very lame time-filling on CNN and Fox News.
UPDATE, 10:34 CT: CNN is showing crowds of people around the White House, chanting and celebrating.
UPDATE, 10:35 CT: Obama speaks, describing what happened on September 11, 2001. "The American people came together... We reaffirmed our ties to each other.... We were united as one American family."
UPDATE, 10:38 CT: Last August, there was a new lead about Bin Laden's whereabouts. Last week, there was enough information to launch an operation, Obama says. No Americans were harmed. A "firefight" took place, and we "took possession" of Bin Laden's body.
Obama reminds us that we "are not at war with Islam." He says Bin Laden was not a Muslim, but a terrorist murderer.
UPDATE, 10:41 CT: "Justice has been done." "Let us think back to the unity that prevailed on 9/11." "Tonight we are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our minds to... not just because of our power but because of who we are, one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all." A fine speech.
May 1, 2011
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Good for us - the bad guy is dead.
That was a bad speech, tho.
Great speech, great news.
What are you drinking, PBetJ, my friend?
the strategic relevance of killing OBL in 2011
It's probably the first time we have been able. It's strategically relevant because it's been a symbolic goal for a long time in a long war. It's very meaningful. It just doesn't affect anything at this point, unless there is some counterstrike. That would be bad.
@Lem "but this should be beyond politics.."
Yes it should, but the White House can't help but make it all about politics.
Why can't they just tell us the facts, without all the pomp and flowery language, as if the White House did anything hard.
"I told them to focus on this.... I made the decision to ....."
How hard was any of that. Not hard decision. Not hard to say. Not anything to do.
It is the guys that were doing pushups and pullups nigh after night after night after night to be ready to go in and kill - those are the people that did the hard things.
The ones the worked their contacts in Pakistan, risking their lives to be in country and talking to people.
You know - the ones that Obama's base constituency hates and slanders.
And then the lefty politician takes the bow for killing, and throws the troops a verbal bone.
It is sick.
It's probably the first time we have been able. It's strategically relevant because it's been a symbolic goal for a long time in a long war. It's very meaningful. It just doesn't affect anything at this point, unless there is some counterstrike. That would be bad.
So you're admitting it's pure symbolic bullshit, with no real operational gains. the old AQ died years ago, whatever we're fighting now has nothing to do with OBL.
We should be celebrating a victory.. despite who happens to be at the white house.
We can complain that it has been late in the day, but other than that (in my opinion) it would be inappropriate.
We should be celebrating!!!!
Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden's Death
and Funeral 10 days ago
Islamabad -
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.
www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/
"Not one goddamn thing. So did Bin Laden matter?"
I think that his death is a good symbol of American long term commitment and memory... something we tend to do rather poorly at, can't trust us to follow through you know. So this is a good counter to that, that we'll remember and we'll follow through.
I'll bet the military gets a little recruiting bump.
I know there are a lot of Atlantic haters, but here's Jeffrey Goldberg's one-line post:
"When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers." -- Proverbs 21:15
Lem - you just don't get it. You think this Chicago crowd can be left alone for a second?
I'm grateful to President Bush, President Obama, General Petraeus and the entire U.S. military and allies. May God continue to bless America.
Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden's Death
and Funeral 10 days ago
Islamabad -
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.
www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/
Palladian,
Funny you would ask:
Laphroaig 30
Which I bought because you were drinking it on election day.
BTW, I've also used "Palladian" for an LLC.
Thanks!
Sabinal, are you sure you're a liberal? Your criticisms of President Obama don't sound much different from those from the right.
I'm not saying a liberal can't have such a clear, honest political appraisal of the President; but aside from Mickey Kaus and Professor Althouse (and Robert Cook, who is ruthlessly consistent in holding President Obama to the same standards as President Bush), I don't see it very often.
Old Grand Dad for me to toast our good news!
Alex -- You make it sound like Obama killed Bin Laden to help Obama, and that Obama chose now over some other time to kill Bin Laden. The facts are that the military and intelligence personnel of the U.S. government had been continually hunting Bin Laden since circa 1996.
One thing which REALLY stood out about Obama's "speech" was how he called for people to come back together like we did after 9/11.
Wait a minute, MFer....WHO has been one of the biggest sinners TRYING to drive wedges between Americans?
I want someone to ask him if this means he is actually going to tone down his class warfare rhetoric and stop with using the powers of the executive branch to punish those who voting against him (Still no disaster declaration for Texas. Petty much?), etc.
You go first, chief.
You stop trying to divide people and try doing what you promised instead.
Although I'm happy about Osama being dead, Obama's hypocrisy really left a sour taste..
I don't think this will mean much. It's still just one man, but you just gotta love it. I hope he zombifies so we can kill him again.
"Excuse me if I'm not overly enthused by something that bumps Obama's poll # by 8 points."
No I won't excuse you. I'm second to no one in my disgust with Barry, but for fuck's sake we just killed Osama Bin Laden. Who the fuck cares who was in charge with that happened? Eight fricken points? He'll gain and lose eight points a dozen times before the election.
Talk about screwy priorities.
I'm confused. Did Osama live to see the Royal Wedding or not?
I just heard Andrea Mitchell refer to the scene outside the White House as "that's what they are saying on the American Street." Heh.
I just sat through Andrea Mitchel on NBC becoming breathless insisting that “this is a game changer for Barack Obama.”
I don't care...they got the bastard!
I also thought it was just a tad unseemly that Obama needed to put himself at the center of this bit of good news.
Again, I don't care...the SOB is dead!
The only thing I'm left wondering is whether Bin Laden might eclipse Yasser Arafat's sprint record to hell.
Talk about screwy priorities.
Which are none of your business anyways. Why do so many of you give a flying shit about whether I or some others here aren't jumping for joy? Why must you INSIST that we do?
"Tonight, our crack troops - the ones hated by my core voters, the ones about which the New York Times can't wait to reveal damning information, the ones unable to train as reserve officers at the American Universities that overwhelmingly support me - tonight these gun loving, illegal immigration hating, big truck driving soldiers did what I told them to do, and they killed OBL."
A fine uniting speech indeed.
A friend of mine's son is stationed at Gitmo. I hope he & his warrior buddies stay safe.
"Laphroaig 30"
Gah! Now that I'm a pauper again, and long ago drank and gifted away my case, I can only be but jealous. 'Tis an amazing liquid, that, and rare. But my gin will suffice. Cheers to you, President Obama, President Bush, the military, the intelligence community and all my friends here!
I'm sorry you all stuck in election gear..
I'm thinking about the families that lost loved ones.. that have been waiting for their government to do something about it.
The liberation of Iraq was not it.. maybe this will be it!
The only thing I'm left wondering is whether Bin Laden might eclipse Yasser Arafat's sprint record to hell.
Why the focus on these prominent terrorists? Frankly the ones I want to see in hell are the everyday murderers of people we choose to forget about.
I bet our American special operators were clinging to their guns.
Lem - nothing will bring back the 9/11 dead. Nothing. It's all symbolic bullshit. The families had better find their own peace.
"I just sat through Andrea Mitchel on NBC becoming breathless insisting that “this is a game changer for Barack Obama.”"
You're kidding.
“this is a game changer for Barack Obama.”
Um, this isn't about Obama.
There's no down side to this. This shouldn't be any kind of partisan issue. The first politician to play politics wsith this loses....When you're in charge of an operation, you take the blame if some subordinate fucks up. It's only fair that you take a bow when some subordinate does the right thing. This happened on Obama's watch. Good for him.....Don't worry. There will still be plenty of failures to damn him for.
"I also thought it was just a tad unseemly that Obama needed to put himself at the center of this bit of good news."
The trick, which has worked wonderfully for me, is to never listen to a Presidential speech.
We need to kill all the rest of the big names until their defeat is unmistakable. It's Nuremberg via U.S. Special Forces, which is exactly what the uncivilized bastards deserve. Congrats Mr. President.
I bet our American special operators were clinging to their guns.
An more than a few of them read from their Bibles before they went in, I am quite certain.
Alex -- Nobody would care if you wouldn't come here and announce your screwy priorities and then demand that nobody care.
Twat.
Obama also lied about UBL: bin Laden was in fact a Muslim leader--and denial is not just a river in Egypt.
This is great news.
I want to see pictures of the body.
Titus wants to take a shit on the body. Then he'll want to smell his finger.
"Um, this isn't about Obama."
They'll make it about Obama, by God.
Ignore Alex and Shiloh at all times, except to mock them.
They are trolls.
That is all
I agree with Seven. The value is primarily symbolic. But symbols matter. It's churlish (childish, even) to complain that there is little immediate practical effect.
It's also childish and silly to argue over whether President Bush or President Obama deserves the credit. The bottom line is that both do in one sense, and that neither do in an operational sense.
Whether we bring our enemies to justice or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done. - G.W. Bush, Sept 20, 2001
The families had better find their own peace.
Alex I'm glad that you are a fake phony fraud.. I'm glad enough for everybody.
The bottom line is anything that helps re-elect Barack Hussein Obama is bad for America.
The frenzied cheering going on outside of the White House is unseemly. It reminds me of the Arab street celebrating after the towers fell ten years ago.
If Bush were still in office, the hard core lefties would be condemning this killing and claiming that Bin Laden should have been captured and tried in an American court to show the Arab street that we are a fair, democratic nation.
Get ready for the $78 billion in military cuts.
mission accomplished, bring em all home.....
of course, no jobs..........
this should be fun.
If Obama gets re-elected that will mean massive terrorist attacks on America. Millions will die. So this event helps re-elect him and millions will die. But go, celebrate get drunk like a bunch of idiots.
I hope Obama keeps killing the right people, even if it means he makes more speeches about himself. He'd turn an evening at Chuck-E-Cheese's into a stirring speech about himself, so it's not like he wouldn't find other ways to make speeches about himself, even if he didn't kill the right people.
The bottom line is that if Obama does all the things I want a president to do, and helps the country, I don't care how, uh, bad he is.
You obviously have no children, Alex.
"If Bush were still in office, the hard core lefties would be condemning this killing and claiming that Bin Laden should have been captured and tried in an American court to show the Arab street that we are a fair, democratic nation."
Maybe there are some up sides to a Democrat being in power.
Also, this seems righteous in a way that trying to bomb Qadaffi doesn't.
“this is a game changer for Barack Obama.”
Um, this isn't about Obama.
Thank you. It isn't. My first thought was for the military, certainly not Obama.
Game changer? No. Gas is still $5 a gallon and people can't find jobs.
Suffocate on Uncle Sam's Johnson radically violent Muslim terrorists!!! (have to disagree with Obama, bin Laden was a Muslim leader of certain fashion).
Blitzer just mentioned this is something Obama will always, always be remembered for long after he is no longer president!
Hopefully many of AA's flock didn't just faint! :D
Again, all fame is fleeting, so maybe just for today, conservatives can quell their deep hatred for Obama ...
Or not.
Ha ha, terrorists. You are on notice. We will eventually get you all. Sweet dreams.
It's also childish and silly to argue over whether President Bush or President Obama deserves the credit. The bottom line is that both do in one sense, and that neither do in an operational sense.
I'm with you Simon.. hijo de jonas me amas ;)
Go on, celebrate in a fashion that reminds saner heads of whistling past the graveyard. My rule of thumb is that if Democrats are celebrating and ecstatic, something evil is happening.
Shiloh -- I love how you come here and post all the time about Althouse's flock.
You remind me of that chick who used to blow me in college who didn't like me because she thought I used girls.
Ok, folks, I'm sorry. I know this is a serious, grave topic, but... man, this made me LAUGH so hard:
"Bin Laden has been killed in a mansion. Now we need to find out who did it, which room, and what object he was killed with."
OMG, I literally laughed out loud. Literally!
Word Verification: anuld. Tonight, everybody channeled Anuld: I said I'll be back.
Well said, Meade. I appreciate that Obama gave the order for the operation. This is one big beautiful thing he did better than Jimmy Carter. And he even gave some credit to Bush and included the "under God" in his speech when he repeated the pledge.
What a night. This is one of the few victories in this war we can see and feel, and I'm elated.
"A small team of Americans killed bin Laden in a firefight..."
I hope they write a book. I'm anxious to read about it.
Fuck Yeah!!!
God bless the unit that actually killed the motherfucker. And god curse Obama for using whatever he can as political fodder. Yup, I curse him.
Well I wonder what went through bin Laden's mind as the US military showed up inside the Pakistan "mansion's" compound walls to bring him greetings from Uncle Sam.
Not a Hallmark moment.
:-)
America...
America...
America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer to
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow
FUCK YEAH!
McDonalds, FUCK YEAH!
Wal-Mart, FUCK YEAH!
The Gap, FUCK YEAH!
Baseball, FUCK YEAH!
NFL, FUCK, YEAH!
Rock and roll, FUCK YEAH!
The Internet, FUCK YEAH!
Slavery, FUCK YEAH!
FUCK YEAH!
Starbucks, FUCK YEAH!
Disney world, FUCK YEAH!
Porno, FUCK YEAH!
Valium, FUCK YEAH!
Reeboks, FUCK YEAH!
Fake Tits, FUCK YEAH!
Sushi, FUCK YEAH!
Taco Bell, FUCK YEAH!
Rodeos, FUCK YEAH!
Bed bath and beyond (Fuck yeah, Fuck yeah)
"Blitzer just mentioned this is something Obama will always, always be remembered for long after he is no longer president!"
Blitzer is a prophet? Who cares what Blitzer thinks people will remember Obama for? Firstly, no one really thinks that Obama was anything other than the guy who was president when the special ops guys got Osama. And gas is still $4 a gallon and my kids are still unemployed.
On the other hand, Clinton is remembered for Lewinsky and Ford for stumbling down some stairs. What we remember presidents for is rather capricious and by no means is it attached to the most important thing they did. Obama might be remembered as being president when our special forces found and killed Osama simply because the two names are really easy to remember as a pair.
History is like that.
Blitzer just mentioned this is something Obama will always, always be remembered for long after he is no longer president!
Well, that's one thing.
“this is a game changer for Barack Obama.”
He's trying to do an end run around the 2nd Amendment & leave us defenseless like the citizens of England.
Doesn't wipe away $1.6 trillion.
Reagan is remembered for "tear down that wall". Somehow it just seems so much mightier and important.
Palladian said...
“They'll make it about Obama, by God.”
Of course they will. And a week or two from now, that will begin to really p*ss me off.
But right this moment, I don't care. I'm paging through my old parochial school catechism to see if there are any curses or “anti-prayers” for the undearly departed.
Nothing to be found...what an oversight!
I'm glad he's dead.
I'm shocked, shocked :-P I tell 'ya that conservatives are bringin' politics into this dicussion ...
Shiloh -- You have all the self awareness of a box of hair, dude.
You are showing very poorly here tonight. Sad.
One thing that is definitely stupid is trolling over this. Grow up, child.
JAL said...
Well I wonder what went through bin Laden's mind...
Three rounds of hot lead.
(Normally, I would apologize for misquoting an old, tasteless joke. But tonight is too good for apologies.)
I want to repeat again.. we should set aside partisan differences when it comes to those enemies that mean us a 9/11 kind of harm.
(you think I wouldnt have to say this)
We should be in a celebration!!!
We have shown an ability (albeit late in the day) to execute justice.
I have been waiting for news of the death of this fucker for quite some time.
Well, that's that then. I give Obama credit for seeing this through, though I don't really think it's as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. And, I thought the speech was awful.
The frenzied cheering going on outside of the White House is unseemly. It reminds me of the Arab street celebrating after the towers fell ten years ago.
I had the same thought. Let's at least be dignified about it. He got what he had coming - cause for satisfaction, not celebration.
Navy SEALs, I hear. Thank you, United States Navy!
I did not think it possible that a speech announcing the death of Bin Laden could be made boring. The grade school attempt at poetry had me laughing out loud. But I am still giddy over the news so what the hell.
The left, including Obama, spent 8 years raging against everything from drone strikes, to Gitmo, to targeted assassinations, to illegal wars and now they want to take credit when by any objective measure they did everything they possibly could to make sure this day never came.
They really do think we are that stupid. And you know what? A lot of people are going to fall for it. For a while.
Chip Ahoy said...
I'm glad he's dead.
You are no alone! I'm also glad..
I never listen to BHO if I can possibly help it, but we were watching the news, so for maybe the second time ever I listened to the whole thing ... The best thing I can see Obama getting credit for to date and in the future. Thank you sir, for not bailing on that.
Overall not a bad Obama speech, but way too much trying to shape the narrative that Bin Laden wasn't a Muslim terrorist, he was just a terrorist terrorist.
Like he was, um, a unitarian?
What REALLY bugged me was someone's lead-in that the Obama worked HARDER than GWB to get bin Laden.
Srsly - how in the land of hockeysticks they know what GWB was doing. Cripes -- Bush had to start from scracth, and Obama already had the infrastructure to continue this action in place.
So I thought that was a totally uncalled for piece of snark, but totally not unexpected. Just the usual flavor of classlessness and revisionism one has come to expect.
You people who don't like the cheering mob scene need to get in touch with your Dionysian side, pronto.
Glad that the bin laden was finally slotted.
But who are these people cheering outside the White House after midnight?
After 10 fsckn years, kinda hard to get that excited.
Biting lip...
And can you imagine the response of the left if GWB had sent in special ops to take out OBL on foreign soil?
Thank you seven... well put.
Good ridance!
This operation reminded me Israeli operation against Abu Jihad in Tunisia: surgical operation by small team on the ground in the foreign country. Both operations had mechanical failures involved. Israelis - on ship, and Americans - with helicopter. Of course, ship does not go down because of engine's malfunction, so there is opportunity to fix it. However, there was a risk of getting caught.
I honestly figured he'd been killed years ago.
Glad to hear he finally bit the dust.
Well crap.
A whole comment disappeared after I did the wv and everything. What's going on??
I even said a nice thing about the president. (ED: That's why.]
You people who don't like the cheering mob scene need to get in touch with your Dionysian side, pronto.
Ugh, no. Dignity is never inappropriate.
Hmm...
The President: Gives credit to the military and his predecessor.
Our blog hostess: Lays out what was going on in the news.
Commenters here: Jokes about birtherism. Some Hell Yeah type posts.
Shiloh: Politics.
How much he projects onto others here. It's so sad that, on a day of good news, his first impulse is to be the turd in the punchbowl.
And I'll bet he thinks he's inclusive and tolerant.
Well, there's no "blacklist" feature in Blogger, so everyone's just going to have to do a mental "Plonk!" of his posts. Trust me, folks, he's not worth reading.
wv shiff
Oh shiff.
CNN treating this as the equivalent of Pearl Harbor, VE Day and VJ Day.
Their exhilaration comes less from from Bin Laden's death and more from the likelihood that Obama will get all the credit for this.
"LakeLevel said...
Now let's drop the body into a volcano or maybe put him into a plasma toxic waste destroyer and reduce him to his component elements, or bury him in the middle of a mine field."
**********
Why? Feed him to pigs or put his head on a spike at the Pentagon or if CIA had more to do with it than the "Hero Troops" - head on a spike at Langley.
I like the feed him to pigs option, with the bin Laden family presented a casket of runny pig shit to do with as they please.
=====================
And thank god we killed him on sight, rather letting the ACLU Jews of NYC have him in "civilian justice.
And stretching a "Due Process Rule of Law!!!" + Trial of the Century!!
out for the next 10 years.
===============
But who are these people cheering outside the White House after midnight?
Obama supporters haven't had much to cheer about since his election.
You are showing very poorly here tonight. Sad.
Again the irony of Seven Machos ie:
"Twat
You remind me of that chick who used to blow me in college who didn't like me because she thought I used girls."
take care, blessings
The thing is, Bin Laden and everybody else sane knew that he would never live free again and would likely die violently at our hand. The world always knew he was doomed. He knew it too. That's the justice.
>the strategic relevance of killing OBL in 2011
Same as when we shot Yamampto down
Same as Mussolini hung up by his heels
Same as Coucescu getting machine gunned by Romanian gunmen
Revenge
Well, time to take a breather, relax, repair, restock. Cos The Muslim Brotherhood may have declared war on us a few months ago.
Now we'll see how long that takes.
It was about 5 years from AQ's declaration of war to 9/11.
Now just what r we gonna do about Pakland?
Simple rule of thumb, what is good for Obama is not good for America. Live by that.
Shiloh -- I'm funny.
You are a twat.
Bye. Twat.
"Dignity is never inappropriate."
I'm not sure our adversaries understand "dignity." They probably mistake it for limp-dick.
The media is so much into the bag for Obama I can hardly watch the coverage. In their hearts they're not thinking "thank god we finally got Bin Laden." What they are thinking is "what a great victory for Obama."
In their hearts they're not thinking "thank god we finally got Bin Laden." What they are thinking is "what a great victory for Obama."
Exact-umundo. This is why I can't celebrate this.
But who are these people cheering outside the White House after midnight?
Students from Georgetown and GWU.
"I'm not sure our adversaries understand "dignity." They probably mistake it for limp-dick."
We'll turn you into a conservative yet, PBandj.
Revenge, Ah yes, sweet revenge. Even the pussies are liking the taste of it tonight.
This is so big C-SPAN has broken off their regular repeat programing and has gone wall to wall Al-Jazeera.
Was it today or Easter Sunday.
There was talk about waiting on DNA results.
Same day results only happen on CSI...
Alex: "So you're admitting it's pure symbolic bullshit, with no real operational gains."
This is no bullshit when Islamaniacs of any kind know that they will end their life with no glory and hero burial. Never mind how long it takes they will be found and killed. Regardless of their declarations to the followers, these "leaders" are not that keen on sucrificing themselves. You certainly noticed, that they don't lead by example.
Being part of the team that got him has got to be the best. That's bragging rights. I need details, ASAP.
It is truly hard to believe many of the regular commenters on this site are actually American citizens.
Not for one single night, can many of you step back from the usual right wing political bullshit to applaud anything good that this president is intricately involved in.
You're just a bunch of whiney, bitching un-American assholes who are an embarrassment to our country.
JAL: And can you imagine the response of the left if GWB had sent in special ops to take out OBL on foreign soil?
No, but I can remember the response from some on the right when BHO said, "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."
Revenge is no good. Honest. When we were arguing about this in years past there was a sort of heat from the left-commentors that I always figured was put-on when it came to Bin Laden, that getting and killing Bin Laden was the most important thing ever.
I don't care all that much that he's dead, thought he was dead for years, and never cared all that much that we "get" him. He was made impotent. That was what was actually important.
That said, killing him is SWEET.
And JUST.
But not because revenge is important or blood lust is important. Because strength is important and justice is important and killing him in cold blood is important.
Not hot. Not revenge. Not anger or hatred.
There was talk about waiting on DNA results.
Same day results only happen on CSI...
kimsch wins tread..
I have gone from solemnity to praising bragadocious snarking withing about a hundred comments.
thanks kimsch.
Jeremy -- Epic fail.
YEEE-FUCKING-HAAAA
Jeremy, speaking but for myself, congrats to the CIA or whomever did this operation, but I don't think it matters a damn. Our escapade in Afghanistan is killing American soldiers for no fucking reason. This does nothing to change that.
Sorry it took so long to get you a copy of my birth certificate ...
Best possible news! Too bad it took so long, but let's rejoice. This has little operational significance but it still is a very good and great thing. And also give credit to our President. He didn't give up.
Seven Brain Cells - You make my point exactly.
Many here just cannot bring themselves to applaud anything the man does, and it makes you look very small and very un-American.
You're nothing but a bunch of teabagger punks.
Wow, invading Iraq sure helped with this one, didn't it?
Tonight.. I'm happy to report our president was born in Hawaii ;)
Wow, invading Iraq sure helped with this one, didn't it?
Indeed!
Kimsch, the President described it as happening today.
Unless I'm mistaken, the President didn't say anything about DNA matching.
And agreeing with the Democrats, Bush deserves no credit for this.
99% of his focus by summer 2002 was on Iraq and its noble-purpled thumb freedom lovers - and his special friendship and State Dinners for my Dear Friend and Savior of Afghanistan Hamid Karzai and Dubyas 'Special Friend on top of Ariel", Our Democratic Special Friend - General Musharaff!
*******
But at the end of the day, Obama deserves about as much credit as Bush. Little at all, with his dithering and thinking his domestic programs deserved 99% of his focus.
(Unless Obama or his direct reports said to the Pakis - His Head!Or no more billions!)
The faith was kept by the people that are not like the ACLU Jews of NYC. Or Holder. Or Bush. Or Obama. No due process. The people of the CIA and the headbangers of the military that would bravely charge in if people that knew something lasered the target.
The sort that got Admiral Yamamoto and drank champagne after the whacking.
Now Ayman al-Zawahiri and a sentence for the 9/11 Mastermind in military tribunal despite Eric Holders wishes!
Then on to the more important than 3,000 dead 10 years ago:
1. Saving our US dollar currency from becoming toilet paper.
2. Getting back from bankruptcy as a Nation.
3. Jobs.
4. Not letting Obama bring us to 6.00 a gallon oil.
(3,000 dead 10 years ago, 300 million currently suffering from the internal devestation Bush-Obama gave us. )
Anyone count the "I"s?
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Navy Seals? More delicious.
Not only did we get you, we got you on dry land with Navy Seals.
Heh.
Beautiful.
Jeremy -- Epic fail.
Apparently some crucial intelligence for this operation came from Gitmo detainees.
I don't see how Obama or his sycophants can take credit for that.
Joe said..."Jeremy, speaking but for myself, congrats to the CIA or whomever did this operation, but I don't think it matters a damn. Our escapade in Afghanistan is killing American soldiers for no fucking reason. This does nothing to change that."
What does any of that have to do with the fact that it was our current president's security team that ran the show over the mission that was accomplished today?
Personally I'd pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan tomorrow...and I certainly would have never invaded Iraq in the first place.
And keep in mind, regardless of you're inability to muster the guts to give the president credit where credit is due...HE wasn't the one who got into either "escapade."
Correct?
I know I shouldn't bother to ask, but it would be just groovy if someone in the "Bin Laden is the end all and be all of everything evah" group, would explain just why that is true.
I realize that for some people it was always and only about Bin Laden, not only was Iraq a distraction but Afghanistan as well. If we'd just *got* Bin Laden it would all be over?
Explain how that's true?
Or is it just a belief system.
I just watched the c-span presidential speech replay..
He had me at the '9/11 families'.
Maybe the most important thing in the world is that getting Osama feels good?
1. Saving our US dollar currency from becoming toilet paper.
2. Getting back from bankruptcy as a Nation.
3. Jobs.
4. Not letting Obama bring us to 6.00 a gallon oil.
I don't usually respond to Cedarford, as he is either Jew baiting, saying something reasonable, or just being dumb. But this is too deliciously dumb to pass up.
You can't have statements one and three. Nor can you have one and two.
You may as well ask for unicorns and rainbows. Of course, you probably do.
Just to echo Lem's concerns way upthread, I figured that if they have significant attack capabilities (dirty bomb, nuke, chem, bio, multiple suicide attacks at many locations nationwide, etc.), now will be when they'll be most likely to deploy them. It's like when Khan activates the Genesis device.
FoxNews just reported that administration officials say that UBL's body is being handled in accordance with Islamic customs.
WTF!?!?
Feeling good is important.
The 1 shovel-ready project of his tenure.
LOLOL
Synova - "If we'd just *got* Bin Laden it would all be over?"
I don't hear people saying that today and I don't remember hearing it anytime in the past.
Got a link?
"FoxNews just reported that administration officials say that UBL's body is being handled in accordance with Islamic customs.
WTF!?!?"
Sort of proves Obama was lying when he said he wasn't Muslim, eh?
I have to give Obama his due on this one. No games, into Pakistan with the SEALS.
Good job.
(Still, I'm wondering where the WH crowd came from. Seems like they're astro-turfing this one)
Maybe the most important thing in the world is that getting Osama feels good?
Yes it does.. if you have any questions please check back during regular business hours ;)
"I don't hear people saying that today and I don't remember hearing it anytime in the past."
Heck, you just said we ought to leave Afghanistan tomorrow.
"FoxNews just reported that administration officials say that UBL's body is being handled in accordance with Islamic customs."
Well, except for the killing part.
Actually, the killing part seems to be a primary "Islamic custom", so maybe they're telling the truth.
Who'll bet that Obama will give Osama a service at National Cathedral?
Synova - "Sort of proves Obama was lying when he said he wasn't Muslim, eh?"
I hope you're trying to be cute.
It probably relates to our country being morally grounded and respectful.
Something many here evidently do not understand.
Synova,
If the TV news is true, the guy was outside of Islamabad, in a fairly new (five or so years), purpose built, compound. What was he doing? It's not impossible to believe he was still connected to the organization. That is, he wasn't in a cave.
UBL's body is being handled in accordance with Islamic customs.
That means being dragged naked through the streets, and beheaded.
Synova, I don't think anyone here is arguing that bin Laden is the be all and end all in the war on terror.
...HE wasn't the one who got into either "escapade."
Neither did Bush.
The funny thing is I was watching translated Iranian News wayyy back when and they showed the map and pointed out we were on both sides of them.
Yeah...hehehehheeeeee.....
Now Black Turban K & Black Turban Nutjob are infighting.
Bush liberated 26 million people.
It's germanated long enuf where they're busy focusing on themselves for a few moments in time.
They screw it up, that's on them. But we did the right thing.
Always popcorn.
What was the primary goal of the war in Afganistan since it began in 2001?
To kill Osama bin Laden, since he was responsible for the 9/11 terror attacks!
Revenge as justice was the goal. Displacing the Taliban was only a means to that goal.
So now, with this, Obama has WON the War in Afganistan. Bush couldn't win it, no matter how many "Mission Accomplished" PR stunts he arranged to try to pretend that he did.
The War in Afganistan is now OVER. Just some things to mop up. Now the mission-- what has been the primary mission this whole time-- is truly accomplished.
Obama is simply a more effective War President. He'll be a more effective War President than any potential Republican candidate.
Tomorrow Americans will wake up to a whole new political landscape. Get ready for it!
Synova - What does my opinion that we should get out of the two wars or that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place have to do with this from you:
"If we'd just *got* Bin Laden it would all be over?"
Where do I intimate that his death would represent the "end" of anything?
If you're going to counter, at least try to avoid saying things that are not true.
ding dong the SOB is dead
So now do we stop calling dead terrorist leaders the #2 guy. All #1's now?
"It's not impossible to believe he was still connected to the organization. That is, he wasn't in a cave."
It's not likely, though. He'd have been easier to find, for one thing. He was so quiet that it was easy to think he was dead. No one was trying to stick our noses in not having gotten him yet and he wasn't making any tapes at all. If we found anything from him to subordinates in captured materials we kept it utterly quiet.
Seeing Red said..."Neither did Bush."
GFL with that one.
GROUP HUG!!! Including President Obama. Why the hell not, today, eh?
Guys, I have a family member in hospital, so please forgive a minor outtage. Will be back when I can.
Missing all of you witty peeps.
Cheers,
Victoria
Abbotabad as it gets!
wv: deadrawb (KINDA LIKE DEAD ARAB, OMG LOL!)
Mary Beth, why do I hear Lou Costello shouting, "HEY ABBOTTTTTTTTTT".
Just to echo Lem's concerns way upthread..
If there was ever a time to be alert logic dictates that it would be now.
They have lost their spiritual leader.. there is no underestimating what a distraught cell might do.
So now, with this, Obama has WON the War in Afganistan [sic].
He refused Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's guilty plea and thus delayed his execution. And he hasn't gotten Ayman al-Zawahri.
The war is far from over.
Synova,
it is absurd for you (or me) to pretend we know how he spent his time in his reinforced mansion outside of Islamabad. Neither of us know anything.
You're going to need to go down that road on your own. Or, you could agree w/ me that such ignorant speculation is ridiculous.
"Where do I intimate that his death would represent the "end" of anything?"
When you suggested that we be done *tomorrow*. How does this not intimate that his death represents the end? You said never Iraq, but you didn't say never Afghanistan. You said to go home tomorrow.
Little stuff like that. Little intimations like remarking that other operations didn't address Bin Laden, implying that all operations ought to have.
I don't really think that anyone believes it was all about Bin Laden... until they need an excuse to hate on Bush, of course... but I wondered if anyone would be willing to actually defend the point.
Dido's Vick.
The mother fucker is dead.. long live the USA!!
Seeing Red said..."Neither did Bush."
GFL with that one.
What are you, some kind of 9/11 Truther?
How exactly did Bush get us into Afghanistan? The Afghan Taliban, the state sponsors of Al Qaeda, attacked us.
MSNBC is reporting that this is how the lead developed:
After the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, "detainees gave us information on couriers. One courier in particular had our constant attention. Detainees gave us his nom de guerre, his pseudonym, and also identified this man as one of the few couriers trusted by bin Laden."
In 2007, the U.S. learned the man's name.
Take that for what it's worth. (This success is a culmination of years of work, going back a decade.)
So was this or wasn't this a case of American unilateralism and exceptionalism?
I'm so confused.
Leo Ladenson - GFL, asshole.
Anybody who reads knows exactly how we got ourselves into both fiascos.
We never needed to go into Iraq, and we could have handled the search for Osama in Afghanistan in an entirely different manner.
The key now is to find a reasonable way out.
How dare liberals say that Afghanistan was justified as revenge for 9/11. They are the same crowd that said 9/11 was justified blowback for evil American foreign policy going back to 1953 Iranian coup when the CIA deposed the Shah.
Typical libtards, trying to have it both ways.
Media says they got some of his kids as well and will show pictures to prove to everyone that the fuckers are dead.
I hope the pics show his hair really white to prove that he dyed it. That would be cool.
The Abbottabad compound is already on Google Maps. (My previous comment was taken from a "review" there.)
"Room service was terrible. Blasé decor. Also, known terrorists."
"The Mansion looked nice, but then everyone there got bombed and destroyed the ambiance."
"Typical libtards"
It looks like Lem is putting that term on ice (for today). But, someone else filled in.
Leo Ladenson said..."So was this or wasn't this a case of American unilateralism and exceptionalism? I'm confused."
Only an idiot would be "confused" about any of this.
The president initiated an action that resulted in the death of a major terrorist.
What is it about that that has you baffled?
Duh.
After the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, "detainees gave us information on couriers. One courier in particular had our constant attention. Detainees gave us his nom de guerre, his pseudonym, and also identified this man as one of the few couriers trusted by bin Laden."
Yeah, like I said: the crucial info came out of America's gulag--you know, the one Obama ran against. Now he's taking credit? Shameless.
Jeremy still doesn't get the word that some things are beyond politics..
Carry on Jeremy.
wv dusie - Jeremy.
Mary Beth - Don't quit your day job.
If you have one.
The president initiated an action that resulted in the death of a major terrorist.
I'm not confused that you're a fucknugget.
So this unilateralism was good. Got it.
This exceptionalism is fine. Understood.
Thank God we went into Iraq.
Doing so drove Al Qaida into a war they lost. they've never really been the same since then. Bush took Al Qaida apart, and that's why we didn't suffer more attacks for many years, until Ft Hood.
Jeremy thinks this is about politics?
That's sad.
Obama did nothing special here. Approving a hunt for Osama? That's good, but it's a no brainer, and obviously a continuation of the hunt for Osama for many years.
It's true that to authorize this strike took some backbone on Obama's part, but not much more than usual, considering we're always striking in that country. I'm glad Obama did his job and didn't get in the way, but claiming he 'led' this operation is a really petty way to try to score a few points.
This is great news for all of us, and has nothing to do with Obama.
Jeremy, I'm just copying reviews, not writing them. (I did think they were funny.)
My day job is playing on the Internet for fun and profit so don't worry your head about me. If you have one.
Yeah, like I said: the crucial info came out of America's gulag--you know, the one Obama ran against. Now he's taking credit? Shameless.
I know - but I have to give credit to MSNBC for reporting that this trail began on Bush's watch. That's something, and "when a donkey flies, you don't blame him for not staying up that long." (With apologies to "Murray Slaughter" on The Mary Tyler Moore Show.)
Lem said..."Jeremy still doesn't get the word that some things are beyond politics.."
That's your comment after reading what has been posted here tonight?
That "some things are beyond politics?"
Are you including this, from...YOU?
"I'm listening to Obama and he sounds like hes giving a political speech."
we could have handled the search for Osama in Afghanistan in an entirely different manner.
How? Sending Eric Holder's Justice Department in?
You do realize that in 2001 we took over Afghanistan with 300 special operators--fewer men than Obama's teleprompter maintenance crew.
Jeremy is just flailing. Sad.
I do love Obama's unabashed unilateralism, though. He's such a cowboy.
Lombardi Chick - Yeah, this is obviously a huge "Bush" victory.
Duh.
Leo Ladenson - You're beating a dead horse.
This is wonderful day for America and of course for the president, and our military.
Try to stand back for a few minutes and be less of an asshole.
It makes you look small.
"I'm listening to Obama and he sounds like hes giving a political speech."
At the beginning.. yes. he was.
But then he started talking less about himself and about the victims.
Mary Beth "Jeremy, I'm just copying reviews, not writing them. (I did think they were funny.)"
Really?
I didn't notice any attribution.
If it had been Obama going on TV to announce his resignation, it would in the long run have been better for America.
But this is good too.
Congratulations to our Armed Forces and their Commander in Chief. Another mission accomplished. Let's not forget that there are many more.
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5) wall decor, Crawford TX.
LOL.
Cheers,
Victoria
Try to stand back for a few minutes and be less of an asshole. It makes you look small.
I guess applying Obama's rhetoric to Obama's actions will do that to you.
Did Blowback cause 9-11?
Things to ponder.
Mark said..."If it had been Obama going on TV to announce his resignation, it would in the long run have been better for America."
Lem said to tell you this isn't about politics...even though he also said this:
"I'm listening to Obama and he sounds like hes giving a political speech."
Got that?
The anthill needed to be kicked over. U may not like it, but it needed to be done.
Jeremy said...
Lombardi Chick - Yeah, this is obviously a huge "Bush" victory.
Duh.
5/2/11 12:31 AM
Then in your next breath, you call someone "small"? Really?
Does it bother you that the lead began on Bush's watch or something?
Leo Ladenson "I guess applying Obama's rhetoric to Obama's actions will do that to you."
You consider what happened today to be a form of "rhetoric?"
Duh.
Jeremy, I thought that the link, where and what it was, and quotation marks were enough for you to figure out that I was quoting something.
You prefer pictures?
Obama started making a familiar political speech.. and then its as if a grownup said you know you are the president you have to make it about the nation and its grief over their loss.. and not about your reelectioon..
read it again.
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