Althouse: "Sarah Palin's gun-toting stalker arrested by FBI 50 miles from politician's home."

March 7, 2011

"Sarah Palin's gun-toting stalker arrested by FBI 50 miles from politician's home."

"Shawn Christy, 19, from Pennsylvania, had been issued a court order in October warning him to keep away from the Republican former-vice presidential candidate."

97 comments:

TWM said...: Damn Tea partying right wingers . . .; 3/7/11, 12:40 PM
Unknown said...: Can't wait to hear the Lefties weigh in on this one.

WV "wilika" Julian Assange's nickname in Hawaii.; 3/7/11, 12:44 PM
PaulV said...: Some of those left wings haters post on this blog. Shame!

WV: mangle
Why does the left winger mangle the 1st amendment and concept of democracy?; 3/7/11, 12:46 PM
Lincolntf said...: "...your magic enemy...'?

Chances that this is World of Warcraft related?
If one of his e-mails turns out to include the phrase "Damn you, Princess Willowfern of Wasillashire!" we'll know for sure.; 3/7/11, 12:48 PM
Martin L. Shoemaker said...: Where's the "civility bullshit" tag?; 3/7/11, 12:50 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: "Sarah Palin's gun-toting stalker SAVED by FBI 50 miles from politician's home."

There, FIFY.; 3/7/11, 12:50 PM
Humperdink said...: I suppose the left will blame the TEA party for this anyway. You know... " if we didn't have Palin, we wouldn't have the TEA party. If we didn't have the TEA party, we wouldn't have had the Giffords shooting. If we didn't have the Giffords shooting shooting, this youngster would still be in community organizing school. It's the TEA party's fault.; 3/7/11, 12:54 PM
MadisonMan said...: So he tried to have the 6-month restraining order cancelled after 5 months by sending a gun purchase receipt?

I don't think that's ever going to be a successful strategy.; 3/7/11, 12:55 PM
Joe said...: (The Crypto Jew)

I personally blame the violent eliminationist rhetoric of the TEA Party. Din’t Sarah Palin put “cross hairs” on people? I rest my case….

To be fair I would imagine that this fellow has some kind of political disagreement, twenty-five cents, says, he disagrees with ObamaCare.; 3/7/11, 12:55 PM
former law student said...: Graphic from the 2/27 NYT magazine showing that Alaska ranks among the leaders in unfunded pension liability states -- Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey, while Wisconsin ranks with the most fiscally prudent -- Nebraska and the Dakotas.

What kind of steward of Alaskans' tax dollars was Palin, anyway? And how does one reconcile such a fiscally shaky state with its practice of sending oil checks to everyone?

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages
/2011/02/27/magazine/
27christie-grahpic1.html; 3/7/11, 12:56 PM
exhelodrvr1 said...: Hey, she deserves this, right? She was on a reality TV show!; 3/7/11, 12:57 PM
Too many jims said...: Or not. Who cares as long as Mrs. Palin gets more publicity.; 3/7/11, 12:58 PM
traditionalguy said...: Palin is being divisive again by living in Alaska. This poor kid had to make a trip all the way to Alaska to do his hit on her like the MSM writer that rented the house next door had to do for his hit piece. Sarah had better sight-in her rifles.; 3/7/11, 12:58 PM
Christopher in MA said...: "Can't wait to hear the Lefties weigh in on this one."

Oh, that's easy Ed - "Bitch asked for it."

Do you expect anything else from our bunch of resident Democrat assholes?; 3/7/11, 12:58 PM
Christopher in MA said...: Whoops - FLS proved me wrong. "Look! A squirrel!" will be the response.; 3/7/11, 1:00 PM
Humperdink said...: @FLS Wow!!! That was good.

How long have you been waiting for an AA thread on Alaska to post this meaningless drivel.; 3/7/11, 1:02 PM
PacoThe Ridiculous said...: Hey, Ann...what's the big deal? She was on a reality show...so Palin deserves to die, right?; 3/7/11, 1:05 PM
Lincolntf said...: Relax, Francis. Nobody wants anyone dead for being featured on a reality show (with the notable exception of The Situation).; 3/7/11, 1:10 PM
Drew said...: "Oh, the civility!"; 3/7/11, 1:12 PM
KCFleming said...: "[Shawn] Christy said he tried to contact former presidential candidate U.S. Sen. John McCain and Palin, McCain's running mate, because he believed the U.S. Secret Service had tampered with his cell phone. Christy said he began making threats to get their attention and have his phone fixed."

here's a picture of Christy, the man seated on the right.; 3/7/11, 1:13 PM
James said...: Graphic from the 2/27 NYT magazine showing that Alaska ranks among the leaders in unfunded pension liability states -- Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey, while Wisconsin ranks with the most fiscally prudent -- Nebraska and the Dakotas.

What kind of steward of Alaskans' tax dollars was Palin, anyway? And how does one reconcile such a fiscally shaky state with its practice of sending oil checks to everyone?

What kind of steward of our tax dollars is Obama anyway?

The monthly budget deficit for February 2011 is $223 billion. By comparison the entire annual deficit for 2007 was $162 billion.; 3/7/11, 1:15 PM
Triangle Man said...: @edutcher

After extensive research, I can report that the response to any sort of violence against someone on the right is "karma is a bitch".; 3/7/11, 1:16 PM
KCFleming said...: "The document alleges Christy tried to get in touch with Palin numerous times, made references to having guns and said he would be coming to Alaska and she should "watch her back." Christy also claimed to have a sexual relationship with Palin and threatened to sexually assault her, the document states.

At the court hearing Monday, Palin also testified that Christy believes he has a relationship with her daughter, Willow, and has brought up the girl's name.

[Christy] once told [Palin friend Cole] he "tried to follow the Bible but had evil and wickedness in him."REF; 3/7/11, 1:17 PM
Clairvius Narcisse said...: don't believe everything you read.; 3/7/11, 1:19 PM
Peter Hoh said...: Crazy is crazy. There's no point in trying to assign reason to someone who has paranoid delusions.; 3/7/11, 1:25 PM
former law student said...: How long have you been waiting for an AA thread on Alaska to post this meaningless drivel.

If the professor believes that public employee collective bargaining rights are a clear and present danger to Wisconsin's fiscal soundness, then Alaska's fiscal condition demands a proportional response. Cruel neutrality would have it no other way.; 3/7/11, 1:27 PM
Phil 314 said...: lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, provided evidence that the secret service investigated respondent alleging that he had threatened or said he wanted to sexually assault Mrs Palin.

This sounds like the crazy extreme of this

FLS;
By posting that in a thread regarding a threat to Sarah Palin you're inadvertantly (I hope)suggesting what does she expect?

If not inadvertant, then the comment is contemptable.; 3/7/11, 1:29 PM
Anonymous said...: Kathy Griffins rhetoric is harmless, I tell ya!; 3/7/11, 1:29 PM
PacoThe Ridiculous said...: HaHaHa...Kathy Griffin is going to have a helluva lotta fun with this.

Hey, Ann..know what have been so great?

The 16 year old being shot...because she was on a reality show.; 3/7/11, 1:30 PM
Peter Hoh said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 3/7/11, 1:30 PM
former law student said...: The monthly budget deficit for February 2011 is $223 billion. By comparison the entire annual deficit for 2007 was $162 billion.

Yep, W.'s housing bubble economy popped, and the unemployed and foreclosed on had no cash to stimulate the economy.; 3/7/11, 1:31 PM
Peter Hoh said...: On the other hand, the stalker did seem to have some of his wits about him.

From an article dated Feb 12:

Before traveling to Alaska, Christy said he verified with law enforcement and legal authorities in Pennsylvania that his trip to Anchorage would not violate the protective orders, which prohibits contact with the Palin and Cole families and limits how near he can come to locations where they live or frequent.; 3/7/11, 1:33 PM
Joe said...: (The Crypto Jew)

Yep, W.'s housing bubble economy popped, and the unemployed and foreclosed on had no cash to stimulate the economy.

Good thing we passed the Porkulus Bill then to stimulate the economy, sure the PEOPLE had no money but the GOVERNMENT did…Whoa, are you SURE you want to say that?; 3/7/11, 1:33 PM
KCFleming said...: fls: ...W.'s housing bubble economy..."

Criminey. That's too stupid to even bother refuting.; 3/7/11, 1:34 PM
Peter Hoh said...: FLS, your comment about the pension liabilities is completely off-thread. Save it for a cafe post.; 3/7/11, 1:34 PM
Triangle Man said...: Criminey. That's too stupid to even bother refuting.

Oh come on Pogo, now you're supposed to say that it was all Barney Frank and the Democrats' fault.; 3/7/11, 1:37 PM
former law student said...: By posting that in a thread regarding a threat to Sarah Palin you're inadvertantly (I hope)suggesting what does she expect?

The excerpt emphasizes that Palin is the Republican former vice-presidential candidate -- I presume that's why the FBI got involved. Moreover, her name has been mentioned several times as a candidate for 2012. Highly visible politicians attract obsessed kooks who mean to do them harm, as Hinckley showed with Reagan.; 3/7/11, 1:41 PM
Joe said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 3/7/11, 1:49 PM
Joe said...: (The Crypto Jew)

I would like to make a couple of things clear here:
1) I didn’t blame Giffords on Palin; and so
2) don’t blame this flake on Chris Matthews or Sandra Bernhard.
Loony-tunes with guns aren’t “inspired” by much beyond the voices in their heads and their sad pathetic lives, which is why I hope one Troll, in particular, stays on his/her meds…But I get tired of my opponents trying to blame my side for everything that goes wrong, and will not hesitate to do the same to them, when the chance arises, at least rhetorically. The difference is, SUPPOSEDLY Ritmo/FLS/Garage and the Kossacs are serious in their claims, and I only tongue-in-cheek.; 3/7/11, 1:49 PM
MadisonMan said...: Yes, Pogo, please follow the script. You should have received the althouse script for March in the mail by now!; 3/7/11, 1:54 PM
virgil xenophon said...: "..here's a picture of Christy.."

Looks like the very model of a fine, clean-cut, well-dressed, upstanding, upwardly mobile educated professional to this little Indian. What's not to like?; 3/7/11, 1:54 PM
madAsHell said...: Who's funding this guy?

Guns and travel ain't cheap!; 3/7/11, 1:54 PM
AllenS said...: I just finished eating a pear. They're not grown in Alaska because Alaska ranks among the leaders in unfunded pension liability states.; 3/7/11, 1:55 PM
Joe said...: (The Crypto Jew)

I just finished eating a pear. They're not grown in Alaska because Alaska ranks among the leaders in unfunded pension liability states..
I thought it was because it was cold and nasty up there and the giraffes ate all the Pear Tree Shoots………; 3/7/11, 1:59 PM
Martin L. Shoemaker said...: Joe said...

I would like to make a couple of things clear here:
1) I didn’t blame Giffords on Palin; and so
2) don’t blame this flake on Chris Matthews or Sandra Bernhard.

Agreed. But the people who cried for civility and blamed Palin for the Giffords shooting aren't making similar cries here today. And for that reason, I believe this merits a "civility bullshit" tag. They didn't want civility, they wanted to silence effective opposing voices.; 3/7/11, 2:04 PM
Anonymous said...: If the professor believes that public employee collective bargaining rights are a clear and present danger to Wisconsin's fiscal soundness, then Alaska's fiscal condition demands a proportional response. Cruel neutrality would have it no other way.

Yes, but WI is what is in play.

So, what in the hell are you talking about?

You're casting about incoherently to find something, anything, that makes sense of the Dems behavior in WI.

Give up. There is no excuse for what the Dems are doing.; 3/7/11, 2:07 PM
Humperdink said...: @FLS "If the professor believes that public employee collective bargaining rights are a clear and present danger to Wisconsin's fiscal soundness, then Alaska's fiscal condition demands a proportional response. Cruel neutrality would have it no other way."

You may or may not have a point, but this is not place for it. We're talking guns here, not butter.; 3/7/11, 2:12 PM
Martin L. Shoemaker said...: Joe said...
(The Crypto Jew)

I thought it was because it was cold and nasty up there and the giraffes ate all the Pear Tree Shoots………

Not giraffes, camels. Up there among all the palm trees.

Geesh, it's like you don't even read this blog at all...; 3/7/11, 2:16 PM
PaulV said...: Even an idiot should know that AK has enough oil/gas revenue to pay those future retirement benefits.
Yes, but facts do not stop those idiots; 3/7/11, 2:27 PM
Hoosier Daddy said...: Graphic from the 2/27 NYT magazine showing that Alaska ranks among the leaders in unfunded pension liability states --

Which perfectly illustrates that even a state run with dynamic and brilliant leadership, cannot sustain the generous benefits afforded to its public employees.; 3/7/11, 2:28 PM
Triangle Man said...: Which perfectly illustrates that even a state run with dynamic and brilliant leadership, cannot sustain the generous benefits afforded to its public employees.

Oh, snap!; 3/7/11, 2:35 PM
Bruce Hayden said...: Yep, W.'s housing bubble economy popped, and the unemployed and foreclosed on had no cash to stimulate the economy.

Except that it wasn't Bush's housing bubble. It belonged, almost entirely, to the Democrats, and most notably to Dodd and Frank, and the (mostly) Dems running Fannie and Freddie. Which is why Dodd and Frank got to write the bill to supposedly clean it up.; 3/7/11, 2:37 PM
Hoosier Daddy said...: Even an idiot should know that AK has enough oil/gas revenue to pay those future retirement benefits.

It would have even more if 89% the state wasn't owned and controlled by the Federal government.; 3/7/11, 2:47 PM
PJ said...: No, Shawn, she said Chris Christie lacked courage. For God's sake, pay attention before someone gets hurt.; 3/7/11, 2:49 PM
Triangle Man said...: @Bruce

Thank you for carrying Pogo's water. Now, fls should post the part about how Frank is on record favoring rentals for low income families over the "ownership society" promoted by the President.; 3/7/11, 2:53 PM
Roman said...: Showing up at the Palin's with a firearm would not be a good idea. He is probably better off in protective custody.; 3/7/11, 2:55 PM
jamielandes said...: I question the NYT data. They're measuring on a per-household basis so naturally AK, HI and CT top the list. There is likely a large fixed cost to having these sorts of systems that distorts the per-household comparisons. (NJ is next, which may speak more to their overall situation.)

Besides, Alaska moved to a defined-contribution model for public employees in 2005 in an attempt to address this very problem. Palin therefore had no pressing need to do anything about it in 2006.

As for the numbers, This link says New York had a 2008 unfunded liability of $200 billion. This Link says Alaska had unfunded liability of $10 billion in 2010. And NY is supposed to be in relatively decent shape.; 3/7/11, 3:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Interesting...

Normally, a discussion about fiscal responsibility (or lack thereof) will attract a few moonbats to chime in with their totally unrelated Palin Hate.

Not sure I've ever seen the converse....; 3/7/11, 3:03 PM
The Drill SGT said...: MadisonMan said...
I don't think that's ever going to be a successful strategy.

That sort of thinking is going to get you banned from the DailyKos if you don't watch it :); 3/7/11, 3:03 PM
Leland said...: So in FLS world, a person from Pennslyvania should go after Palin with a gun because she was Alaska's governor 2 years ago. Wow. Just wow.; 3/7/11, 3:09 PM
Leland said...: Highly visible politicians attract obsessed kooks who mean to do them harm, as Hinckley showed with Reagan.

You do know that Hinckley was actually trying to attract the attention of Jodie Foster? Learn your history before you go OT. You're embarrassing yourself, FLS.; 3/7/11, 3:12 PM
woof said...: He wasn't arrested or detained by anyone.

Christy makes uneventful Alaska visit; 3/7/11, 3:12 PM
Alex said...: In FLS la-la land, a Palin stalker is an excuse to bash Palin. But if Palin was a (D) then he'd be hysterical right now about those evil 'baggers. Hysterical I tell you.; 3/7/11, 3:14 PM
woof said...: "Shawn Christy, 19, of McAdoo, Penn., made his first trip to Anchorage — and first trip on a jet plane — on an Alaska Airlines jet that landed early Friday morning. He stayed in a Spenard hotel, had lunch at the Fancy Moose in the Millennium Hotel that afternoon and flew home to Pennsylvania Saturday morning."; 3/7/11, 3:23 PM
Triangle Man said...: A whackadoo from McAdoo?; 3/7/11, 3:26 PM
Trooper York said...: That can't be right.

Loafing Oaf has to be older than 19?; 3/7/11, 3:45 PM
Joe said...: (The Crypto Jew)

Loafing Oaf has to be older than 19?

Man now that you mention it he hasn’t posted here recently? I guess working double shifts at Hardees to pay for the air fare didn’t leave much time for being on-line, except for a few WoW marathons and a little Furry pRon-surfing….I hope he’s OK, and that the Detention Centre has soothing colours.; 3/7/11, 3:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Good for Sarah Palin! After all... Why should that Democrat Giffords get all the political sympathy?

Palin wasn't shot in the head like Giffords was, but some disturbed dude (from Pennsylvania... GAWD!) being caught 50 miles from her home with a gun (double-GAWD!) is close enough for Republicans.

wv: "crazesse" -- exactly!; 3/7/11, 3:56 PM
KCFleming said...: Yes, Julius, if you ignore the e-mails, phone calls, and letters that contained actual threats and looney toon verbiage, this is no biggie.; 3/7/11, 3:58 PM
Joe said...: (The Crypto Jew)

Palin wasn't shot in the head like Giffords was, but some disturbed dude (from Pennsylvania... GAWD!) being caught 50 miles from her home with a gun (double-GAWD!) is close enough for Republicans

Mostly we wouldn’t care, much at all, EXCEPT for some odd reason *cough* Politics*COUGH* Palin was tarred as somehow causing Giffords shooting…and we needed a new tone…I’m just wondering are Chrissie Matthews and Markos Moulitsas “concerned” today or is this no biggie?; 3/7/11, 4:10 PM
jeff said...: cross hairs and military terminology= Evil Republican death threats.
"being caught 50 miles from her home with a gun (double-GAWD!) is close enough for Republicans."=no big deal.
OK. got it.; 3/7/11, 4:30 PM
PaulV said...: Jeff, the cross hair and targets were democrat ads. Palin's ad had register marks. Is the word "campaign" too military for a sensitive guy like you?; 3/7/11, 4:38 PM
Joe said...: (The Crypto Jew)

Jeff, the cross hair and targets were democrat ads. Palin's ad had register marks. Is the word "campaign" too military for a sensitive guy like you?

Sarcasm, dood/doodette…do we need to get a sign, Sheldon?; 3/7/11, 4:40 PM
dbp said...: Did anyone else notice the map included in the Mail piece?

They say that Wasilla is 50 miles from Anchorage, but put Wasilla roughly where Fairbanks is: 300 miles from Anchorage.; 3/7/11, 4:46 PM
Rabel said...: Christy sure looks certifiable to me. He's been making threats against Obama, McCain and Palin since 2008. He was taken down on Capitol grounds by a SWAT team. His home is/was under surveillance.
So an overnight trip to Anchorage loks like either intimidation or a trial run. And the big news is that he wasn't actually arrested?

Note the dates in the stories below:

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2010/10/01/local_news/doc4ca56d05a3358237841101.txt

http://republicanherald.com/news/mcadoo-man-admits-threatening-sarah-palin-1.1036999; 3/7/11, 4:56 PM
Rabel said...: The Frontiersman article is dated September 30, 2010. Another try to post the link: http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2010/10/01/local_news/doc4ca56d05a3358237841101.txt; 3/7/11, 5:04 PM
Stephanie said...: Don't care to look back to who stated that Sarah was carrying the rifle running downhill, and slipped. That she was carrying the rifle incorrectly.

You are lying through your teeth. It was not Sarah that was carrying the rifle. It was her father, Chuck Heath, and no one was running. He was not carrying the rifle incorrectly. They were all walking downhill, and he slipped. That was what knocked the scope out of alignment.

Now, Sarah had control of editing for that show. If she wanted to hide anything she could have edited those 5 shots out of the show, and just showed the one shot kill. She didn't do that.

So, lie all you want, but it doesn't do any good when it can be discredited so easily.; 3/7/11, 5:20 PM
Stephanie said...: Sorry, my prior comment re: Sarah carrying the rifle should have been posted on the Kathy Griffin post.; 3/7/11, 5:24 PM
Phil 314 said...: Good for Sarah Palin! After all... Why should that Democrat Giffords get all the political sympathy?

Palin wasn't shot in the head like Giffords was, but some disturbed dude (from Pennsylvania... GAWD!) being caught 50 miles from her home with a gun (double-GAWD!) is close enough for Republicans.

Julius;
Certainly threatening a public figure multiple times, buying a gun, telling said public figure "I bought a gun" and then flying clear across the country to that stalkee's home state is no cause for alarm. and certainly it pales in comparison to a target on a political target. Because we all know there's no such thing as a "political target"

Why the continued liberal stupidity when it comes to Palin. Is it so hard to condemn the stalker and then move on?; 3/7/11, 6:21 PM
Bob Loblaw said...: Crazy is crazy. There's no point in trying to assign reason to someone who has paranoid delusions.

So you would think. That sure didn't stop the left from doing that very thing after the Giffords shooting. Turnabout is fair play, isn't it?; 3/7/11, 6:22 PM
Brian Brown said...: Yep, W.'s housing bubble economy popped,

Hysterical.

You get more ignorant by the hour...; 3/7/11, 6:58 PM
Roux said...: If someone threatened Sarah Palin would Obama call for the toning down of rhetoric? I think not.; 3/7/11, 7:35 PM
ken in tx said...: I have lived in the South all my life, Alabama, Texas, North Carolina, Mississippi, and South Carolina. All these states allow people to carry guns under one rule or another. When I lived in North Carolina, I called the County and asked “How should I carry a pistol on a motorcycle , the answer was, Strap it on.” I Asked, “Can it be loaded? And answer was, Why would you carry an unloaded gun” As long as you do not engage in adultery, or argue with drunks,the South is the safest place to live. Alaska sounds like a Northern version of the South.; 3/7/11, 7:36 PM
Synova said...: "Did anyone else notice the map included in the Mail piece?

They say that Wasilla is 50 miles from Anchorage, but put Wasilla roughly where Fairbanks is: 300 miles from Anchorage."

I did notice that.

I think that the English have a lot of trouble with the notion of "scale" in America. I got a book-opening invite from an author in England and I joked that 5K miles was a bit far to go. But he had another party in New York, he said, which ought to be closer. And it is, but while 2K miles is less than 5, it's still not next door.

I'm not at all surprised that no one on the staff there had a "waitaminute" reaction to that map.; 3/7/11, 8:08 PM
The Dude said...: Where's Jeremy?

And how about that Peter Ho claiming that his fellow traveler is "loony". He's a leftist - by definition he is insane.; 3/7/11, 8:26 PM
bagoh20 said...: As a born and raised Pennsylvanian, I think identifying one of us as "gun-toting" is redundant. We get handed one before the umbilical is cut.; 3/7/11, 9:15 PM
Tyrone Slothrop said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 3/7/11, 9:44 PM
Writ Small said...: If the aftermath of the Gifford shooting, many on the left connected uncivil language by conservatives to violence by the mentally unstable. Michelle Goldberg, Andrew Sullivan and others spoke and wrote how Loughner's ravings would be at home on the right.

So eager were they to attach this killer to the right!

You could say, "Unfair!" There was a real principle these people were defending. When real violence occurs, we have to look for answers and take steps. Extreme political rhetoric has consequences to those on the edge psychologically.

Ann call BS on this line of argument. Political speech can get rough, she argued. Suck it up. Counter speech with speech. Nut jobs will always be with us, and we cannot let the fringiest among us hamper free expression.

Who was right? Who believed what they argued? Who was being politically expedient?

If one left-leaning commenter had come here and said "this proves extreme rhetoric can go too far." If Sullivan had blogged about it today or if Goldberg had made that case, I would have to admit there was some principle actually at stake when the left was in high moral outrage.

Instead, we get comments here and posts at the Daily Dish today about how bad Palin is. And so it goes.; 3/7/11, 10:13 PM
former law student said...: As long as you do not engage in adultery, or argue with drunks,the South is the safest place to live.

“I honestly beleave it iz better tew know nothing than two know what ain’t so.” -- Josh Billings

You're a third more likely to be murdered in the South than any place else -- are there that many adulterers and drunks in the South?

Murder Rate per 100,000 population (2009 data)

Louisiana 11.8
New Mexico 8.7
Maryland 7.7
Tennessee 7.3
Alabama 6.9
Mississippi 6.4
Missouri 6.4
South Carolina 6.3
Michigan 6.3
Oklahoma 6.2
Arkansas 6.2
Illinois 6.0
Nevada 5.9
Georgia 5.8
Florida 5.5
Arizona 5.4
Texas 5.4
North Carolina 5.3
California 5.3
Pennsylvania 5.2
Indiana 4.8
Delaware 4.6
West Virginia 4.6
Ohio 4.5
Virginia 4.4
Kansas 4.2
Kentucky 4.1
New York 4.0
New Jersey 3.7
Colorado 3.5
Alaska 3.1
Connecticut 3.0
Rhode Island 2.9
Montana 2.9
Washington 2.7
South Dakota 2.6
Massachusetts 2.6
Wisconsin 2.5
Wyoming 2.5
Nebraska 2.2
Oregon 2.2
Maine 2.0
Hawaii 1.7
North Dakota 1.5
Minnesota 1.4
Idaho 1.4
Utah 1.3
Vermont 1.1
Iowa 1.1
New Hampshire 0.8; 3/7/11, 11:32 PM
Unknown said...: That looked so awesome. Would love to spend a weekend at the hotel with my 21 yr old daughter and a day just like yours at the Spa. It did look like heaven!

audi-parts; 3/8/11, 12:53 AM
Peter Hoh said...: Yeah, but what's the state-by-state distribution of used Audi parts?; 3/8/11, 7:46 AM
Leland said...: Hmm, the murder rate for DC in 2008 (US Census Bureau): 31 in 100,000 people. That brings up another point, if you look at murder rate by city; New Orleans is still top, but is followed by those other famous southern towns: St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, Oakland, Kansas City, Newark, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Cincinatti.

Ah yes, the southern hospitality of Cincinatti. After New Orleans (which is way off the charts, thank you Ray Nagin), the next truly southern city is Memphis, TN; whose murder rate is a third less than any of the top 5. My hometown of Houston had a higher murder rate (13.1) than Milwaukee (11.8), but it had 100 fewer violent crimes and 1,100 less property crimes in 2008; and Houston is much larger than Milwaukee.

Anyway, what was FLS point with these statistics? Did they mean anything, or was it just another one of his contriving at facts to make certain regions or people he doesn't like look bad?; 3/8/11, 8:41 AM
MadisonMan said...: Anyway, what was FLS point with these statistics?

I'm not fls, but I would say he was showing that the claim that the south is a safer place is easily disproven.; 3/8/11, 9:16 AM
jerryofva said...: One thing you can say about Alaska. Their law enforcement officers are a lot better then Sheriff Dupnik. They stopped the guy 50 away from his appointment with death at the hands of Sarah and/or Todd; 3/8/11, 9:33 AM
Leland said...: I would say he was showing that the claim that the south is a safer place is easily disproven.

Really, what's the proof? 12 of the 13 top cities for murder rate are northern cities. Again, New Orleans is at the top and rather skews the data (thanks Ray Nagin!). Still, I'm twice as likely to get murdered in Detroit than Houston. I'm also more likely to be a victim of crime in Milwaukee than Dallas. And if I compare the data from 2008, you are 33% more likely to be murdered in Madison than Austin.

Again, I ask, what proof? If you break it down further by demographic (e.g. Iowahawk's review of education); then you'll see a much more obvious trend to both FLS and my data.; 3/8/11, 10:18 AM
Leland said...: I'll also note that I picked Texas towns because I'm familiar with their sizes. I could have picked other southern towns, with the exception of Memphis (which is the top 15) and made the same arguments. I picked Austin because it is frequently visited by Ann.

wv: undbus Yeah, seen it.; 3/8/11, 2:30 PM
Robin said...: Translation of FLS' comments above:

Squirrel!; 3/8/11, 6:48 PM