Mr. O’Reilly said, “The cold truth is that in the world today jihad, aided and abetted by some Muslim nations, is the biggest threat on the planet.”Williams managed to be a commentator on both NPR and Fox for quite a while, but I guess it was just too much to see him feeding red meat to O'Reilly just a few days after O'Reilly enraged Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg over the very same subject. These news media — Fox and NPR — want the image they want, and Williams did a great job, fitting into both templates for as long as he did.
Mr. Williams said he concurred with Mr. O’Reilly.
He continued: “I mean, look, Bill, I’m not a bigot. You know the kind of books I’ve written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.”
Mr. Williams also made reference to the Pakistani immigrant who pleaded guilty this month to trying to plant a car bomb in Times Square. “He said the war with Muslims, America’s war is just beginning, first drop of blood. I don’t think there’s any way to get away from these facts,” Mr. Williams said.
NPR said in its statement that the remarks “were inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR.”
The response from lefties and righties is predictable. William Kristol says:
I suspect the powers-that-be at NPR pretty much think what Juan thinks. But the standards of political correctness must be maintained. Pressure groups speaking for allegedly offended Muslims must be propitiated. And so Juan had to go.Glenn Greenwald says:
Williams' trite attempt to glorify his bigotry as anti-P.C. Speaking of the Truth is inane, as his remarks were suffused with falsehoods...And so on.
Whether these latest comments were merely the opportunity they [NPR] were looking for to terminate their relationship with him, or whether it was caused solely by these disgusting comments, is unclear. But what is clear is that the anti-Muslim bigotry he spewed is both the proximate and cited cause....
Williams is now free of the need to preserve his relationship with NPR. I'm pretty interested to hear what he'll say now that he's shaken off the chains of PC-radio. Talk to us, Juan!
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This is the most anyone has talked about NPR since the time Titus was raving about his sweatty balls.
So you're saying that there is a Synova mind meld?
Fascinating.
Scratch that.
The comment, not the sweatty balls.
Almost 200 coments already.
This is the most anyone has talked about NPR since the time Titus was raving about his sweatty balls
Yah, I'm suprised too. FOX had been talking about it all morning, but I just assumed they were defending one of their own.
Looks like its going viral though.
Haha, Pastafarian. By "my karate school" I don't mean "MY karate school", of course. I need to get back in it. It's been too long.
Death grip or not I think that anyone trying to take that plane wouldn't have had time to be surprised.
He's going to sue them. Cool.
AlphaLiberal said...
I've written emails to NPR over this.
and from the NYT:
Ms. Shepard said she had received 378 listener e-mails in 2008 listing complaints and frustrations about Mr. Williams.
So I wonder who wrote the other 12 emails?
The Left is determined to suicide America. The best way to do that? So terrify the general populace that they won't think, which is to say they won't discriminate: Juan Williams' "crime." A people that can be scared out of discriminating is a defenseless people. And that's what they want.
He's going to sue them.
For what?
The real reason Mr. Juan Williams was fired was to make room for the 100 new "journolists" that George Soros just hired for PBS. Since PBS doesn't have enough time slots for all of them, some will have to work in NPR slots instead...
wv: gazat : to understand, eg "I just don't gazat!"
Whatever you may think of Fox (and I'm sure the usual suspects are changing the subject to Fox and pointing out, duh, that O'Reilly just cannot shut up about All Things O'Reilly), but at least Fox lets Juan speak his mind. Liberally. Fair and balanced, unlike National Progressive Radio which is unfair, unbalanced, and unfuckingreal.
O'Reilly just cannot shut up about All Things O'Reilly)
Yup. He's such a blowhard. I really hate the way he interrupts his guests with some asinine remark just as they are making a point I find interesting.
He was great the first few years. He's lost his way to Vanity ever since, and needs to remake himself
"So, Althouse has no problem with this. Sad. You have to wonder if she would have a problem if his words were speaking to any ethnic or other group, like Latinos, Jews, Catholics, military personnel, teapartistas, etc."
The problem with your complaint is that none of those groups have a history, going back over decades, of hijacking passenger planes, bombing passenger planes, or smashing passenger planes against the sides of buildings.
In your rush to decry Juan Williams' comments, you've missed his point.
For what?
Sorry, my source wasn't specific on that. I'll try to find out exactly what.
It's really a shame how those wascally republican teapartiers are stifling all the dissent and not letting people who disagree with them speak.
Thsnk God that the good people at NPR don't do that.
Oh sorry.
I did not mean to mention God.
Please don't fire me as a commenter.
First they came for Shirley Sherrod. Then they came for Juan Williams.
Montaigne: "I guess we should make all blacks go through special screening anyway." Your comments regarding the treatment of blacks are outrageous and contemptible. I spent a number of years battling, physically sometimes, in the civil rights movement and I am not inclined to have some midwestern sissy prick get cute with racial topics. As Trooper York wisely put it, you can no longer intimidate people with your bigotry crap, you weasley piece of shit. How easily do you type those racist phrases.
How is what Williams said any different from what the Washington Post did when they pulled that innocuous Mohammed cartoon last week? A cartoon that Mohammed didn't even appear in.
I guess it's ok to fear Muslims, you just can't say so.
No, Mara will be next.
FOX has ahold of an internal NPR memo by their CEO [?] claiming that Juan violated their code of "ethics"... the same code that allows NPR to use the "teabagger" slur without consequence...
@ Original Mike
"Everybody knows there's no 'Synova death grip.'
"Well, maybe the Klingons don't know."
Nobody tell Michelle, then.
The total government contribution -- state, federal, local -- to a typical public radio station -- WBEZ in Chicago -- was less than 10%, in 2006. ($1.75 million out of $18.53)
Although you would think Forms 990 would be public, I could find only the 2006 form for free on the web:
http://tinyurl.com/2wpnpmo
Hmmmm... if we use the "separation of Church and State" standard that Libtards are so fond of... NPR is using federal funds to practice censorship. Time to FOIA them. Heh.
GMay,
Are you serious? She's a moon truther??
Yep - she's a moon truther and Sherri Shepard is,...well, I really don't know what she is.
So I wonder who wrote the other 12 emails?
Good. Very, very good1
That's a hell of a lot more than 2%, but not enough to kill them. Defund them.
I REALLY don't understand the justification. They are a partisan news organization taking federal money. How is that justified?
Pastafarian said...
bagoh, I hate to pull the "cite" card, but where do you get the idea that, all other factors being equal, you're 11 times more likely to be assaulted by a black punk than you would be by a white punk?
As I implied earlier: I'd wager that white-on-white crime is more common than black-on-white, even adjusting statistically for the smaller black population.
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Pastafarian - You are being rather PC today and refusing to engage your brain.
1. If 3 well-dressed black men with good jobs walk by you and are no violent crime threat, and the elderly black church ladies and black 'hos aren't the danger, etc., etc., ...(and similarly with whites) what portion of the remaining black population gives them the statistics of committing 11 times the rate of violent crime as whites????
You guessed it - your "no worse a threat than white punks", black punks. They are the violent crime epicenter.
And I expect your whole "I don't even notice race" schtick is simple PC bullshit. You are too smart not to have some level of threat awareness.
2. Then again, your second paragraph indicates that maybe I overestimated your intelligence. Or it could be you simply aren't aware of the Crime Stats. Blacks do 80% of the armed robberies on whites and Asians already. No need to adjust for the smaller black size of the population. Similar stats for strongarm robberies. And blacks do have the rapes of white women.
Others like assault and murder are lower because they are in part crimes of passion committed by people in regular contact with one another.
Hell, forget the partisan angle. How is it justified for the government to fund a news organization, period?
How is it justified for the government to fund a news organization, period
Even better, why bother when CNN, Wapo, NYTs et al are giving the milk away for free?
And its the taxpayers funding NPR, not the government, ie you and me.
From the same side that feels the government, with our money, should be deciding what art is worthy of grants. Just try and get the NEA defunded and listen to the shrill cries of chorus line unemployment.
Original Mike said...
Hell, forget the partisan angle. How is it justified for the government to fund a news organization, period?
Hey get used to it. They plan to fund the New York Times and other newspapers with federal money. That's the plan. Get ready.
Sorry, I know what you meant, I just wanted to underscore that distinction.
Original Mike: "For what?"
He will start with wrongful termination. He will imply that he is African American and that there are few similarly situated commentators on the network. He will note that he is not a young man any more. He will remind them that they have tried to muscle him out, to void or ignore his contract, for years and have finally settled on this flimsy excuse. He will have a pocket full of quotations and emails from colleagues at the network that will substantiate the fact that he is not alone in being a bit off the pc reservation. He will win.
And its the taxpayers funding NPR, not the government, ie you and me.
But I though the government printed all it's money for free. Garage, help me out here.
Trooper @ 12:45
Get out of my mind! ha.
@Micheal: Somebody get the popcorn.
Crap. I mispelled my own name.
Original Mike said...
I knew the percentage of Federal funding had gone down, but is it really that low, or is there some sleight of hand going on here?
sleight of hand. Congress gives bundles to CPB, a "private Non-profit" corporation and it then becomes the big funder of NPR, which claims to get most all its funding, not from Feds, but from corporations.
The Corporation for Public Broadcasting
The Corporation for Public Broadcasting is a private, nonprofit corporation created by Congress in 1967. CPB receives an annual appropriation from Congress and funds more than 1,000 locally operated public radio and television stations across the country.
The mystery in the right wing faux outrage here
The mystery is you faux understanding. You understand nothing and only parrot worn out liberal phrases.
"..But if ten people got on in Lawrence of Arabia get up you can believe they will be watched carefully. Not with fear but with anticipation..."
The anticipation is racist just ask Voltaire or Alpha.
As for Juan Williams, I just relate what happened in LAX in 2008. Interesting situation.
Airport arrival packed with people, turned to watch because 10 or so Middle Eastern folks - two older and maybe 7 younger ME-looking men and one young woman met greeting one another and were jabbering in Arabic (I know a little from my time in KSA) and someone said something that was a trigger for the whole bunch yelling Allah-u-Akbar!! Several times.
What I observed was about 120 instantaneous neck snaps from others in the crowd looking in their direction with reactions of fear. I saw people ducking instinctively behind columns, a mother grabbing her children ready to flee if shooting started...
The finances of NPR would make an Enron accountant blush.
NPR gets it from taxes, wrapped in bullshit, inside a Soros wet kiss.
What I observed was about 120 instantaneous neck snaps from others in the crowd looking in their direction with reactions of fear.
Absolutely no justification for that reaction, right AL? Voltaire?
Public station WHYY here in Philly reported about $4MM out of $24MM was from "government funding".
That's 16% of the total income. As to whether other "govt" money [i.e. CPB] is mingled on its income line called "Contributions", I can't tell. Cynic that I am, I'd be surprised if even 50% of its total income was from non-govt sources.
NPR should not have fired him. But they have a right to as his employer. Every single person here should agree with that.
Well, NPR has definitely had it out for Juan Williams for a while. He's somewhat difficult to categorize politically (can lean conservative, but has major liberal cred due to his civil rights work), but his association with Fox News is toxic to the left.
I haven't followed this too closely, but what was the context in which he spoke? Because it's entirely reasonable to have a discussion about the fact that you're scared of people in traditional Muslim garb when getting on airplanes. If that thought doesn't cross your mind, something is wrong with you.
I've had Muslim friends (well, they're pretty secular, but still) tell me they get momentarily scared when they see men in traditional garb at the airport.
The human brain is the most efficient pattern recognition machine ever made or evolved. It's what has allowed us to develop tools and technology, it forms the basis for the scientific method and it's why people are generally good at avoiding death.
It would take an enormous feat of self-mind-fuckery to ignore the association that is present in the mind of every person on the planet getting onto an airplane.
Williams is hated at NPR. So is Liasson. They broke their vow of poverty that everyone at NPR takes and then took filthy lucre from Fox. Evil, evil Fox.
And those at NPR without Fox gigs are jealous.
Filthy money is only for taxing, so it can then be diverted to NPR.
Please. Someone tell me how I can tell which of the muslims is a "terrorist?"
Matt: probably agree, but the devil will be in the contractual details. They will clearly try to make this a "for cause" event in which case they let him go with a pat on the back and a small party. If the firing is without cause he may well be due some multiple of his annual pay and bonus plus whatever else he was able to negotiate. In other words, sure, go ahead and fire whoever you like, but there might be consequences if a contract was involved.
Meh, I wish people wouldn't start with the "Let's defund NPR!" talk. It's always a bad reaction to go for the Let's-shut-them-down approach when someone does or says something you don't like.
Personally, I like listening to NPR. Yeah, it can be biased, but in general they do a very good job of bringing in opposing viewpoints. In this way they're more like Fox than they would like to believe. And they don't bring in some scrub and edit his words to make him look like a retard.
Too many times I think racism becomes a catchall and misnomer for an emotion.
I probably will react to people who are dressed a certain way if I have heard or been witness to a horiblle crime.
We all generalize the "way people are dressed" with the emotion that comes from that. Generalizing doesn't feel right to those that do not participate in those types of crimes. However, our survival instinct and history will take charge over our desire to trust.
While I have more conservative views, I have always appreciated Juan's points of view. Some on the left can be so extreme, I can't always pick up what their real concerns are.
So I am none too happy to see that Juan was canned for something that looks like to me to be no more than an emotional response and being open about what many people may be feeling.
If you remember 9/11, and if it still creates an emotional response within you, how can you feel any differently?
I suppose if the falicy of security in our airports made us feel truly secure, perhaps this emotional response would not exist.
"I don't even notice race"
Um, yeah, right.
If this were true, it would only reaveal your stupidity.
Humans are hard-wired to discriminate (make judgements, not keep people down) as it is a survival technique.
Stop with the lunacy already.
you're scared of people in traditional Muslim garb when getting on airplanes.
NPR prefers to hire news analysts free from irrational biases.
Personally, I like listening to NPR.
Bully for you.
That doesn't mean they should be funded by the federal government.
Especially in an era of successive 1.3 trillion dollar deficits.
Williams is hated at NPR. So is Liasson. They broke their vow of poverty that everyone at NPR takes and then took filthy lucre from Fox. Evil, evil Fox.
If I am not mistaken, NPR correspondents are handsomely compensated. They hardly have vowed poverty.
NPR prefers to hire news analysts free from irrational biases.
Is that why they're afraid of tea partiers?
Your ignorance is boring.
I found the WBEZ 2007-2008 annual report on their website:
–Government grants include Corporation for Public Broadcasting, City of Chicago and Illinois Arts Council.
So CPB funding is not a way to scrub the source of government funding.
Blue@9... Because it's entirely reasonable to have a discussion about the fact that you're scared of people in traditional Muslim garb when getting on airplanes.
Sorry, you missed the memo, it is not reasonable to think or discuss these things according to the left.
Ideological rigidity is mandatory when dealing with the self-annointed "tolerant" (but wholly ignorant) left.
Let me get your position straight, FLS. You aren't suggesting that NPR was right to fire Williams. are you?
Even the liberal gals at The View think it wasn't.
FLS: "NPR prefers to hire news analysts free from irrational biases."
Then why don't they? Clearly you have listened to the commentary on NPR and heard irrational biases camouflaged with soft reasonable-sounding voices? It is quite unnerving to listen to commentators with identical, predictable, views. And then that horrible music which follows, composed to magnify the smugness. The horror....
how I can tell which of the muslims is a "terrorist?"
Dress shirt and slacks, no necktie.
NPR correspondents are handsomely compensated
According to NPR's latest form 990, the hosts make the most at NPR:
Robert Siegal 319K
Renee Montagne 361K
Steven Inskeep 353K
Scott Simon 301K
Alexander Chadwick 293K
From Wikipedia:
"Public broadcasting stations are funded by a combination of private donations from members, foundations and corporations (60.4% of 2006 total revenues of all stations), state and local taxes (22.2% of 2006 total revenues), local and national underwriting, and federal funds, principally through CPB (17.3% of 2006 total revenues).[4]"
If the above is accurate, the average public station gets 40 cents of every $1.00 from we, the taxpayers.
I say let them get ads and support themselves. The station manager, Bill Marrazo[?], here in Philly is paid $600,000 or so a year which as a liberal might say is 30 times the annual salary of the lowest paid employee! Heh.
FLS:
What about grants from the state? I bet they shake down the state for a "donation" every year.
But I though the government printed all it's money for free. Garage, help me out here.
We don't print money to pay for things.
fls:
you're scared of people in traditional Muslim garb when getting on airplanes.
NPR prefers to hire news analysts free from irrational biases.
It may be irrational, but it's an entirely natural reaction. To not have that reaction would suggest that you've woken from a decade-long slumber or that you have a brain tumor. Seriously, it's impossible not to make that association if you've been alive for the past 10 years. Your brain can't help but make the association. You can try super extra hard not to think it, but you may as well try not thinking of an elephant when I say "elephant."
If taxpayer financing is such a small portion of NPR/CPB financing, then they won't miss it at all, will they?
According to NPR's latest form 990, the hosts make the most at NPR:
Sounds like they are getting rich of the tax payers dime as they are all top 1%'ers.
Which is outrageous.
Renee Montagne 361K
That is absurd.
Why doesn't she have to face the reality that a free market wouldn't pay her this much to spew liberal talking points all day?
"NPR prefers to hire news analysts free from irrational biases."
It is fair to call it a bias but it is not fair to call it irrational.
But here is a news flash that NPR missed.
Most of America doesn't give a shit that you think it's biased.
That ship has sailed.
What would Mr. Williams say to someone who admits to getting worried and nervous when they pass a black man on the street after dark.
A good question, MadMad, that you posted at 9:01. But let me ask this. You are walking down the street and two white men are walking towards you. One looks as though he hasn't shaved in two days and the other has a scruffy beard. Both are wearing motorcycle boots, Levis, torn T-shirts, and vests that proclaim membership in some sort of motorcycle club.
Do you feel "worried and nervous"? And if so then are you biased against white men?
It's always a bad reaction to go for the Let's-shut-them-down approach when someone does or says something you don't like.
Its not about shutting them down, its about not being forced to pay for their propaganda. CNN and NYTs are much worse in their bias, and none of us have called to shut them down (unlike the Libtard's constant calls for FOX to be shut down).
NPR is free to be as Libtard as they want, but at their own expense, not ours.
".."Public broadcasting stations are funded by a combination of private donations from members, foundations and corporations (60.4% of 2006 total revenues of all stations)..."
..and if those contributions are tax-exempt then that 60% is money that the Federal Government could make better use of. Given their bias NPR donations should be no more tax exempt than a contribution to any political candidate.
FLS: NPR prefers to hire news analysts free from irrational biases.
1) total bullshit.
2) you're the last authority on what's biased and irrational.
Wow!! a potential 300 + thread and it's NOT about Republican women candidates
And they [NPR] don't bring in some scrub and edit his words to make him look like a retard.
Wrong. Thats EXACTLY what they did to Juan Williams - the point he was making was "I get worried BUT we can't view all muslims like this"
Someone tell me how I can tell which of the muslims is a "terrorist"
You can't. But if the muslim you were sitting next to during pre-flight checklist is no longer there as the plane taxi's down the runway, I hope you'll fight your PCBS indoctrination and alert someone.
One of the great "post-racial" aspects of the Obama era is that more and more of us don't give a flying f*** if you call us bigots, or Hitler, or Nazies, or racists, or sexists, or homophobes.
We've figured it out for the tactic that it is. We know that when this comes up, it means we've won the argument and now it's time to resort to the Alinsky smears etc.
But, LOL, we've figured that out too. We can now listen to the big Zero's speeches and count the BS devices he uses in real time.
It's his "gift" to the conservative and libertarian worlds.
Purports to be a memo from the NPR CEO to the field. Bottom line: Unlike commentors, news analysts cannot appear to be biased -- Juan Williams lost his credibility when he displayed his bias and his usefulness to NPR came to an end.
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:05 PM
Subject: Juan Williams
Dear AREPS,
Thank you for all of your varying feedback on the Juan Williams situation. Let me offer some further clarification about why we terminated his contract early.
First, a critical distinction has been lost in this debate. NPR News analysts have a distinctive role and set of responsibilities. This is a very different role than that of a commentator or columnist. News analysts may not take personal public positions on controversial issues; doing so undermines their credibility as analysts, and that’s what’s happened in this situation. As you all well know, we offer views of all kinds on your air every day, but those views are expressed by those we interview – not our reporters and analysts.
Second, this isn’t the first time we have had serious concerns about some of Juan’s public comments. Despite many conversations and warnings over the years, Juan has continued to violate this principal.
Third, these specific comments (and others made in the past), are inconsistent with NPR’s ethics code, which applies to all journalists (including contracted analysts):
“In appearing on TV or other media . . . NPR journalists should not express views they would not air in their role as an NPR journalist. They should not participate in shows . . . that encourage punditry and speculation rather than fact-based analysis.”
More fundamentally, “In appearing on TV or other media including electronic Web-based forums, NPR journalists should not express views they would not air in their role as an NPR journalist.”
Unfortunately, Juan’s comments on Fox violated our standards as well as our values and offended many in doing so.
We’re profoundly sorry that this happened during fundraising week. Juan’s comments were made Monday night and we did not feel it would be responsible to delay this action.
This was a tough decision and we appreciate your support.
Thanks,
Vivian
Vivian Schiller
President & CEO, NPR
"I get worried BUT we can't view all muslims like this"
When did the "BUT" part come?
FLS: Purports to be a memo from the NPR CEO to the field. Bottom line: Unlike commentors, news analysts cannot appear to be biased -- Juan Williams lost his credibility when he displayed his bias and his usefulness to NPR came to an end.
More bullshit. NPR gave permission for Juan to do this for YEARS and never made it an issue.
Fen, if you have access to Juan Williams' personnel file, please give us the story directly.
More bullshit. NPR gave permission for Juan to do this for YEARS and never made it an issue.
The NPR ombudswoman said she had received 378 listener e-mails in 2008 listing complaints and frustrations about Mr. Williams. My questions are two: 1) Is that the max in one year? 2) How many complaints have been e-mailed about Nina Totenberg and the rest?
Actually I have a third question: Have any of the NPR hosts made any negative comments about Christians, or in their words, Christianists?
NPR lost me as a credulous listener back in the 80s when a female reporter told us how appalled she was at the number of tanks rolling into a town. She could have told us there were x number of tanks in the town's center plaza, she could have told us there were tanks from here to the horizon and I would have been appalled my own self. But I had to wonder if this was someone who would be appalled by even one tank? I want facts, not editorial comments in my reporting. (Oddly enough I remember the block I was driving at the time, but I don't remember the country being invaded.)
doing so undermines their credibility
*snicker*
How "credible" is it to smear someone as having a "pattern" of unethical remarks without providing any evidence of them?
I'm talking to you Vivian.
"..Unlike commentors, news analysts cannot appear to be biased .."
The difference between the two categories being..?? What? and bias is defined as _____________?
NPR is on the run already. Watch. Listen. Laugh.
Fen, if you have access to Juan Williams' personnel file, please give us the story directly.
You don't need his personal file. How long has Juan been "taking personal public positions on controversial issues" on FOX news?
And you believe, that all-of-a-sudden, NPR has a problem with it?
This is Totally Fucking Insane!
If Juan Williams had confessed to anxiety when he saw three black make teenagers in hooded sweatshirts walking towards him on a city street at night, would that make him a racist too?
Or three white males in hooded sweatshirts?
No, in either case, a wary anxiety would be sensible, and normal.
In Post Racial America, you can no longer make a simple statement of fact without risking the R word.
And Juan Williams, of all people. A gentleman and a scholar. Literally.
Just how nuts can this whole thing get?
My second favorite thing about NPR (after not contributing) is listening to the commentators feign accents when naming foreign cities and countries, principally in Latin America. Their universal use of Latin accented pronunciations of Sandinista(s) was particularly fun to listen to. Oddly they never employed an English accent when naming London or England or a German accent when naming Germany or even Berlin which would have been easier. Lately they have been following Obama's lead in giving the Afghanistan a more European lilt but how would we know if Afghans even call the place Afghanistan?
The "solidarity" the commentators showed toward the Sandinistas was touching.
The NPR ombudswoman said she had received 378 listener e-mails in 2008 listing complaints and frustrations about Mr. Williams.
And I don't see how thats even relevant. Show us the complaints. Knowing NPRs audience, I'll bet 99% of them are because he wouldn't lob softball questions at Democrats.
Since NPR gets federal funding, we should be allowed FOIA the emails. Perhaps they'll come out during Discovery.
Time to start shredding your "ethics code" Vivian.
FLS, you still haven't answered directly whether you think NPR was right to fire Williams.
We'll take that as a "no".
A good question, MadMad, that you posted at 9:01. But let me ask this. You are walking down the street and two white men are walking towards you. One looks as though he hasn't shaved in two days and the other has a scruffy beard. Both are wearing motorcycle boots, Levis, torn T-shirts, and vests that proclaim membership in some sort of motorcycle club.
Do you feel "worried and nervous"? And if so then are you biased against white men?
Worried and nervous? Not sure. Would I be a alert/vigilant? Yes. (It kills me to see people walking around plugged in, completely unaware of their surroundings). But I'd feel the same way with any two strangers passing me on the sidewalk, especially at night. (And it's more likely they are more afraid of me, I'm big).
Of course, I do realize I spend way too much time catastrophizing when I'm out. What if someone breaks in and kills my kids while I'm out walking the dog? What if -- when I'm driving down the interstate -- a rift in time opens and I'm catapulted back in time 200 years in my car? This is a family trait. My grandmother and mother were/are infamous for their worrying. I'm trying not to pass this on to my kids.
Michael's pronunciation observations are spot on.
"I get worried BUT we can't view all muslims like this"
FLS: When did the "BUT" part come?
Turn to FOX and you'll see it on the reruns.
Lets wait and see if NPR thinks you need know that information...
Thats whats so funny. Here you are defending them while they censor by ommision. You're failing in your arguments because your information brokers are corrupt.
I replaced NPR on the car's FM radio with one of them Golden Oldies stations.
It's really hard to tell the difference: music or news from the 60s and 70s.
For our liberal posters let me make you an offer: You come down to Memphis and let me drop your off in Orange Mound at 11 PM and pick you up at 3 AM--Tell me how you did. Or just choose any ghetto in your neighborhood and take a stroll in the wee small hours--and make sure to use an ATM--you will have lots of friends.
Some info on the compensation of the guy who runs the public stations in Philly:
"However, as [Phila Inquirer] staff writer Carolyn Davis NOW tells us…
President and CEO William J. Marrazzo's potential pay, benefits and expenses totaled $740,090 in the year ending June 30, 2007, according to its most recent tax filing. The package consists of $415,993 in salary, $317,240 in benefits and $6,857 in expenses.
Those benefits include $280,000 in deferred compensation reported to the IRS that Marrazzo will receive next July if he meets performance goals, as he has in the past (all told, Davis tells us that this is a 14 percent increase in Marrazzo’s compensation over the prior year).
At this rate, Marrazzo will be pulling down a mil by the end of the decade; actually, he’s just about there now when you consider the fact that, as Davis tells us, “(Marrazzo) has maintained professional ties with utility companies. As a director for American Water Works Inc. and for Amerigas Partners (where he sits on both firms' compensation committees), he earned a combined $153,500 last year, according to Securities and Exchange Commission filings.”
I must tell you that I know of no one whatsoever who has achieved a 14 percent increase in compensation over the prior year as Marrazzo has (hell, we’re all still lucky to even have our jobs).
"And who are the geniuses responsible for this farce? Why, that would be WHYY’s Board of Directors, including one Gerald H. Sweeney cited in Davis’ story, who has no problem with this debacle".
"bagoh, I hate to pull the "cite" card, but where do you get the idea that, all other factors being equal, you're 11 times more likely to be assaulted by a black punk than you would be by a white punk?"
I don't think there are stats for "punks", but here is a link that lists some stunning statistics gleaned from government sources that suggest that it's much worse than my simple 11:1 figure.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/racewar.htm
Even on a personal level, I've had my car and my home broken into this year in separate incidences. All 5 perpetrators were caught and convicted. I live in an overwhelmingly white suburb of L.A. and all the perpetrators where black and none of them looked like punks. They were dress in casual but neat clothing, aged 16 - 50.
I really wish this was not the case. The racial element makes it much harder for our society to address it honestly, but we need to accept the facts before we can solve a problem. Which is why this one is not improving.
Pasta said...And walking past a black man at night wouldn't make me nervous; walking past any young male, who's dressed like a punk, at night, in a bad neighborhood, with no one else around, would give me a heightened sense of awareness. Race doesn't even enter into it. I doubt that it does with anyone.
My wife and I live near DC and used to make a similiar comparison on walking down H street on the side of the street with 5 young black men with short haircuts wearing red teeshirte versus crossing to street where the 5 white skinheads were.
No brainer. The 5 black guys in the red shirts are Marines out for a run.
Sgt: LOL!
Heh. Actually DrillSgt, its prob wiser for you to stay out the Marines way ;)
Hey FLS, go to NPR and wait for them to give you "the rest of the story".
It will be fun to see how long they will take to air all of Juan's comments in context. If they do at all.
How about: you stay away from Althouse until NPR provides the full story? Do you have enough faith in NPR to take that bet?
"For our liberal posters let me make you an offer: You come down to Memphis and let me drop your off in Orange Mound at 11 PM and pick you up at 3 AM--Tell me how you did. Or just choose any ghetto in your neighborhood and take a stroll in the wee small hours--and make sure to use an ATM--you will have lots of friends.'
You're giving them the opportunity for a brief guest appearance on "The First Forty-Eight".
Memphis is often the venue.
I always laughed at the "Nee Ha Rah Gwah" pronunciation back when I listened to that NPR garbage, but then the 80s ended and I moved on to being a grown up and put away the things of youth.
you still haven't answered directly whether you think NPR was right to fire Williams.
We would need to know the history. First, Williams hasn't been an NPR employee for years, apparently; merely a contractor. If he violated their ethics code, I don't see why NPR should continue to use his services. But maybe they should cut him some slack based on their long relationship.
But second, as Fen points out, Williams has apparently transgressed before. We don't know if NPR has warned him before and this is merely the last straw. Did Williams promise to take corrective action from some (one or more) previous incidents and failed? How many chances should NPR give him?
Juan Williams on one side of an issue, Glenn Greenwald on the other.
Even without knowing any of the particulars, this isn't a tough call for me.
Next.
I hope Gallup does a poll with this question:
"Does the sight of Muslim-garbed people on your plane make you more nervous?"
I bet even 80% of Muslims would answer Yes.
As long as we are telling stories, I called 911 the other night to report a loud game of basketball going on at 1:30 AM. The ebonics speaking operator asked "Are dey black, white or mexican"? I replied "Are you freakin' kiddin' me? It's 1:30 in the morning, it's basketball - guess!"
She, using logic as flawless as her English said "Well, dey could be Asian!"
To which I replied "There aren't enough Asians in this town to form a basketball team - are you going to send the police or not?"
The po-leece came, the black perps were dispersed, and peace returned to the neighborhood.
In a study done in the 90s in Raleigh, over 95% of all 911 calls were made due to the actions of young black males. That got very little press, as it does not fit the template liberals like to use. Neither do the demographics of prison, but since when have liberals liked facts, eh?
WV: gogradi - what Fred Sanford says to get his pal to leave his house.
We don't know if NPR has warned him before and this is merely the last straw.
According to Juan Williams, the firing was a shock to him and occurred without warning.
But you can choose to believe the people who don't think you need all the information out there on this.
/related, via Insty
What Won't Get You Fired From NPR
Wishing AIDS on your political enemies and their children.
Check out this clip, from way back in 1995, of NPR's Nina Totenberg telling the host of PBS's Inside Washington that if there was "retributive justice" in the world the (admittedly loathsome) Jesse Helms would "get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it." Totenberg is still NPR's legal affairs correspondent.
Ethics code my ass.
I'm a regular listener of NPR (mainly commuting) Of course it leans left. However, a good amount of its reporting is fairly straight up (though there are times when it can "put its full liberal on")The rest of radio talk news AM annd FM is crap.
Clearly NPR was chronically pissed at Juan Williams for his Fox work. I assume subbing for O'Reilley particularly galled them. Ironically, he tended to be the one consistent, reasoned "opposition" voice on many Fox "after 5 pm" programs.
This really smacks of Shirley Sherrod. A statement was taken out of context. Mr. Williams expressed a "human" sentiment and then later went on to challenge O'Reilley about his "prejudices". Are liberals really not able to see who he is IN TOTALITY?
Silly, stupid...
but I bet Fox (and his future gigs) pay better.
Fen, I just heard that today for the first time ever. They are very good at embargoing their little hateful slips of the tongue when they let the veil fall.
I can only imagine how they talk at their little boot-licking lib parties when the mikes are turned off.
vnjagvet said...
"Williams is hated at NPR. So is Liasson. They broke their vow of poverty that everyone at NPR takes and then took filthy lucre from Fox. Evil, evil Fox."
If I am not mistaken, NPR correspondents are handsomely compensated. They hardly have vowed poverty.
10/21/10 1:22 PM
$300K is around the salaries for the top correspondents/journalists at NPR. Nice money. Don't get me wrong.
But compared to other national media? No. Not even close. And the staff people at NPR also make far less than their equivalents at Fox and the Networks.
“Williams’ presence on the largely conservative and often contentious prime-time talk shows of Fox News has long been a sore point with NPR News executives.”
This sums it up well.
Juan got fired because he is Black.... period.
not because NPR practices racism, though they are racist after a fashion, but rather becuase it screws up the story.
You can't do the stories about the irrational reck-neck white racists who instinctively fear all Muslims, when you got a Brother saying the same thing.
It begins to sound like the honkies are you know, rational rather than racist.
let tht continue and before you know it, you'll have some Jordanian saying that those guys in robes need to be watched in the airport.
MadisonMan wrote:
What would Mr. Williams say to someone who admits to getting worried and nervous when they pass a black man on the street after dark.
If they're wearing gang colors, for example then he might say "RUN!"
What was that joke by Chris Rock? The guys on Martin Luther King Boulevard calling his friend and his friends says "RUN". Because MLK boulevard is a death trap where you're liable to get shot. (the irony being that the bouleverd is named after MLK).
Seriousy, if blacks saw a bunch of guys dressed in KKK outfits carrying torches and walking towards them carrying rope and pointing to the nearest tree , do you think they might have a cause to be worried?
Context is everything.
Fen wrote:
What Won't Get You Fired From NPR
Wishing AIDS on your political enemies and their children.
On a similar note. What won't get Joy Behar to walk off her show in a huff. She had on Jesse Ventura, he of the 9/11 was an inside job fame. That apparently is not grounds to walk off a show.
Fred:
To compare for-profit salaries to salaries at a govt subsidized non-profit is not apples to apples.
In fact, that argument is one of the reasons our state, local and fed govts are broke. We have been paying clerks [i.e] $45-$50K a year and then giving them gold benefits and pensions on top of it.
At least, the for-profit news reader has some accountability for deriving viewers and revenue. In a non-profit, not so much if any at all unless you count the twice a year begging during the fund drives.
In 1995,Republican Senator Jesse Helms opposed the renewal of the Ryan White Act, which paid for the care and treatment of AIDS patients with no other resources. Even though the act was named for the hemophiliac child Ryan White, who became infected via a blood transfusion, Helms considered the disease to affect only gays who engaged in "deliberate,
disgusting, revolting conduct."
And why spend money on a disease gays contract because of their dirty predilection for unnatural acts?
The direct appeal of Ryan White's mother to help her son's plight did not sway Helms.
As I see it, Nina's arguing that only personal experience with AIDS would make Helms think differently.
And indeed, some years later, Helms flipped his position completely, becoming a supporter of global funding for AIDS patients.
AJ: I just heard that today for the first time ever. They are very good at embargoing their little hateful slips of the tongue when they let the veil fall.
Yup. Thats why I roll my eyes when people claim NPR is "mostly fair". NPR's game is censorship by omission. Unfortunately, I didn't learn this about them until the Clinton mess. I had just discovered blogs, and the info I was getting from NPR stopped seeming "mostly fair" once I compared their product with what I was getting from other information brokers.
That was the day I dumped them.
FLS: As I see it, Nina's arguing that only personal experience with AIDS would make Helms think differently.
Ooops. Pretzel Man just jumped the shark!
Better delete that comment before peeps start comparing it with your judgement of Juan's remarks.
Fred -- good link at your link to the O'Reilly show. It's a close question, but I think admitting prejudice against Muslims, and letting billo identify him as working for NPR, was what did Juan in. If he's going to fly the NPR flag he would have to maintain his NPR demeanor.
But I think Juan is much happier as a freewheeling Fox opinionator than as a sober NPR news analyst. He tried the balancing act but the strain was too great
At worst, Williams, as a journalist, was unprofessional. NPR was wrong to fire him and could of used this as an opportunity to hold some kind of public debate/forum on the issues surrounding this and have included Williams. It would have been much more interesting and helpful to have that discussion than the one we're having now.
Elizabeth Moon just got un-invited to be Guest of Honor at WisCon for the high crime of writing something about Muslims and not, apparently, being careful enough in just how *exactly* she included the crap load of disclaimers about how some Muslims are innocent of all of this and it's not about being anti-Muslim and everything else. Add that to the fact she was once a Marine and it seems that it would make attendees feel fearful just to have her in the building.
And the thing is... by all accounts (and I'd include some of her military science fiction as flagrantly feminist complete with woman abusing patriarchal religionists as the bad guys) she's not at all politically conservative. She'd likely not have ever been invited to be GoH at WisCon if she was.
I'm going to go buy some of her books now, just to stick it to those who believe they are making the world a kinder, friendlier, safer place by being Thugs.
I suppose that maybe I should be more clear about the connection to Juan Williams' firing.
The content of her statement and his seems to be similar, over the same current events, and they are both being punished by people who would be considered their ideological fellows.
The idea that the right has been involved in enforcing ideological purity is laughable when faced with the facts of what happens on the left if you don't uphold right thinking.
fls, it appears the hope that NPR turns on the notion of "personal bias". But what is Williams' personal bias supposed to be? That he doesn't like Muslims?
The evidence to cite from that interview would be his initial reaction to seeing people in Muslim garb on a plane. It seems to me that they either claim that (a) this admission establishes a larger, more objectionable bias, or (b) just this single personal observation is a sufficient firing offense. (If so, then heaven help his boss and her "psychiatrist" comment.) And this is something, apparently, they can ascertain without even a conversation with Williams so that he can defend himself? Seriously?
Seems to me the simpler answer is that this is a fig leaf for people who just don't like him and want him gone. But to state it that way makes people look awfully ugly. Maybe even...personally biased.
Moon's criteria apply to Hasids and the Amish as well: Groups that self-isolate, that determinedly distinguish themselves by location, by language, by dress, will not be accepted as readily as those that plunge into the mainstream.
Further, it's not "about how some Muslims are innocent of all of this and it's not about being anti-Muslim." Moon holds all Muslims responsible. Why else expect her local mosques to condemn the 9/11 attack? Per Moon, of all religions, Islam has a uniquely violent history. Only they attack the innocent. The downtown mosque is effectively a Muslim Arch of Triumph.
Better to keep some thoughts to yourself.
Thanks to Fred4Prez for sharing my blogpost. I backtracked it here. It's a shame that the story has been altered to focus more on Williams' employment and less on the idea of American xenophobia when it comes to Islam. That's where the conversation should be after his remarks, not asinine comments about "freedom of speech."
FLS: Per Moon, of all religions, Islam has a uniquely violent history
Actually, its per History. But don't let that get in your way.
You were more credible when you tried to link Prescott Bush to the Nazis.
not asinine comments about "freedom of speech."
How ironic.
/from your "blog"
undoctrinationblog: I hate Glenn Beck, and I think America and the world would be a better place if he were dead. I don’t want anyone to harm Beck; beyond that being completely unethical, it would make him a martyr, and we can’t have that. No. I want Beck to get AIDS from a consensual sexual encounter with another man. Or cancer. I’ll take cancer, too. MS would be nice. Sudden onset adult progeria? It doesn’t exist, but I hope he gets it.
Fen said...
not asinine comments about "freedom of speech."
How ironic.
This is not a free speech issue. The first amendment protects your speech from laws made by the government. That's it. That's all it protects. When the government tries to lock up or fine Juan Williams for what he said, then it's a free speech issue. Not before then.
"Better to keep some thoughts to yourself."
Just wanted to appreciate that statement for a bit.
I have an unhealthy hatred for Glenn Beck. Guilty.
I got disgusted with NPR 10 years ago with their constant preening about not being funded by advertising, their constant use of breaks to advertise their own shows and their appealing to listeners' sense of elitism (Our programs are for the intelligent, thinking people). I think they're all hypocrites with overinflated egos. I'm tired of this voice of academia and its pretensions, and I won't give them anything.
Earlier I saw a clip of a spokeswoman at NPR saying "His comments and his comments in the past, again, I want to point out this isn't about the one issue, it's about sort of a pattern of issues that are very very controversial. We don't want our reporters and news analysts being the focus of news; we want them to cover the news and when they become too much the story because they're expressing their own views, that undermines our credibility as a news organization." What pattern of issues? How did Williams make himself the focus of the story? Huffington Post, CAIR and NPR did that. And if he can't express his own views, what good is he as an analyst? All those years, Daniel Shore wasn't expressing his own opinions?
NPR is funded by federal money, as well as a raft of foundations run by liberals and a lot of support from universities and colleges who get state and federal funding. I hope it loses millions from this. It would be richly deserved.
"...the idea of American xenophobia when it comes to Islam."
Punishing someone in a real way by removing their income for wrong thinking, or trying to start a "fail" cascade to punish an author for speaking about an issue, makes some people feel all warm and fuzzy inside like crusaders for the truth, but it actively hurts the group (in this case, Islam) when the right-thinkers behave in a fearful manner that proves that those who are speaking out of turn and are punished for it were right all along.
Who is xenophobic - the person who writes a little comic about how no one would ever draw a picture of Muhammad, or the editor that pulls the comic because he anticipates a back-lash?
It's not... Were your statements accurate, Juan? or Were your statements accurate, Elizabeth? It's all "Would what you said hurt someone's feelings?" or "Is that likely to provoke the community you're talking about?"
There is no discussion about the ideas at all. No discussion allowed. Even allowing the discussion is prohibited. Facts are irrelevant because they might hurt someone's feelings.
Are we going to treat Islam like grown-ups or not?
That's part of what Moon got skewered for... in her attempt to put enough disclaimers in her rant to prove that she's not one of those thoughtless xenophobes, she ended up sounding condescending. OMGAWD, she said some Muslims were appalled and would have tried to stop 9-11 and were innocent, etc., so what she must have *meant* in secret-racist-code was that the default state of Islam is violent and guilty.
So you get in trouble for treating Islam like grown-ups and you get in trouble for treating Islam like children and we see the amazing spectacle of a liberal feminist author of a certain age being expelled from a feminist-purposed SF convention for *gasp!* objecting to the treatment of women in Islam (among other things).
Because they decided that she'd make the attendees feel "unsafe."
I freaking kid-you-not.
This is not a free speech issue
WHOOOOOSH!
Looks like a new commenter's name is aptly self-referential.
Remember conservatives. Speaking il of muslims is grounds to get you fired. Even if your commentary is not that bad (ie Juan actually warned Oreilly about not scapegoating ALL muslims).
This is an important lesson going forward in treating liberals and leftists who are vicious towards all christians and who demonize christians routinely. Walk off their shows. Give the same reaction to them that an Al Franken gave to Christine O'Donnell when she utttered one of her (in his opinion) inanities.
Demand that people get fired. If someone says something even remotely derogatory about christianity or any religion other than Islam (not that most liberals would attack other religions, as their target is christian) or is not crystal clear about distinguishing moderate christians from fundamentalists, put out newspaper ads denoucing them as bigots.
It's not that I agree with the sentiment. People SHOULD be allowed to say what they want. I just can't stand liberals getting away with rampant christian bashing, while at the same time acting as religious apologists for Islam and demanding that those who have a problem with aspects of Islam learn tolerance. The hypocrciy of these jerks is staggering (though shouldn't be surprised as this is how liberals have always acted).
RS,
Amazing. You admit to thinking and acting just as Juan said and then you think he is bigoted for not being careful of drunks on planes. The total disconnect in your posting is just amazing.
I'm really serious about this.
The doubling-down we've seen to enforce public compliance to the correct narrative does active harm to the group in question.
It is the same related to the race-fail stuff, to making sure that everyone is properly compassionate toward the afflicted and oppressed, as it is related to the enforced civility toward Islam such that some *feelings* are verboten and the "discussion" that occurs is centered on the unspoken content of the offender's thoughts as revealed by the dependence on a racist template of code words and hints.
Any chance at all of resolution is destroyed.
But the people responsible are confident in their righteousness. They can't possibly be hurting people when they just *care* so much, right?
fls,
what's more common -- black-on-white crime, or white-on-white crime?
The most common is black-on-black crime. Unless you mean the Woody Guthrie sense: “Yes, as through this world I've wandered I've seen lots of funny men; Some will rob you with a six-gun, And some with a fountain pen”
How about answering the question asked. Which is more common, black on white crime or white on white crime. I am not sure of the answer but I will bet there is not a whole lot of difference there.
When I talk about American xenophobia towards Islam, I'm not saying it's unjustified. I think there is some justification for it. I am not a fan of Islam.
Bring on cartoons of Muhammed. Bring on conversations about the problems inherent within the religion. Let's talk about the lack of moderate Islamic voices. Let's talk about Islamic governments and how repressive they are. Let's talk about the threat of Sharia law.
The problem is that the reaction to what I said was so sad and petty(in one case) and misunderstood (in another), that there was a significant and emotional response to things I didn't say.
I didn't say I thought Williams should have been fired. I honestly think NPR made a mistake. When I lamented how this has become a discussion about Williams' employment and not about American xenophobia, I was saying that by focusing on NPR firing Williams we're easily missing the important point here:
Islam and Americans seem to have a growing animosity between them. Let's talk about that. Williams said that he felt uncomfortable seeing people dressed in Muslim attire on an airplane. I don't think this is unreasonable. Is it xenophobic? You can't really deny that. But, if xenophobia always irrational? No, I don't think so. We're going to need a legitimate conversation about this stuff soon because I don't see the animosity abating.
The problem is that when one of NPR's analysts said something controversial, they changed the topic by firing him. What they should have done is have Williams explain exactly what he was thinking so that we can begin to discuss the "uncomfortableness" many Americans feel towards Islam. That's a discussion I want to have.
Whether or not Williams should have been fired only clouds the issue.
Is it a worthwhile issue to discuss? Maybe, but it definitely obfuscates something legitimate.
In the meantime, relax.
Xenophobia isn't irrational at all. Or, if it is irrational, it falls under "instincts with a positive correlation to survival." Someone from a different group has different loyalties, might bring disease, or might be a scout for a raiding party.
The opposite impulses are also positively correlated to survival. People outside of your group bring the opportunity for trade goods, knowledge, alliances, and an influx of new genes.
xenophobe or xenophile
I don't understand why those supposedly all on the side of science and reason are so adamant about denying the legitimacy of human nature.
Or at the least are utterly fanatic about being sure that no one ever actually *talks* about it.
Is Juan's firing a distraction, or is it a wake-up call?
Juan’s comments on Fox violated our standards as well as our values and offended many in doing so.
Read:
Listeners didn't like Juan
That's always been one of the odd sensations listening to NPR. I know many of the listeners are far more liberal than I, so we have a reference for discussion. OTOH, they will listen to a story and get something entirely different out of it than what I got.
And a questions for Trooper:
When did all the sports commentators turn liberal (i.e. Keith Olbermann, Mitch Albom...)
They were always liberal. Curt Cowdy and Red Barber and Mel Allen and Red Smith and Vin Scully were all big time liberals back in the day.
It is just that liberal means something different now than when it was a fight for Jackie Robinson.
The sports guys have always been liberal to try and appear like regular journalists who consider the sports guys as lower than low and dumb to boot. Rather like liberals view conservatives. To get some respect the sports reporters and announcers became liberals if they weren't before. Liberal used to be an appealing characteristic before it was hijacked by the fascists.
Talking openly about how you "FEEL" should be a backroom, dangerous luxury for anyone getting a paycheck predicated on their objective reasoning skills.
We shouldn't be surprised that Juan was rightfully terminated for forgetting that. Instead, we should support this action, and point out a myriad of other news analysts and station news anchors who have somehow slipped through the cracks that have grown to become partisan fault lines.
Lines in the sand, and personal feelings, have NO place in the fifth estate. If in fact you think they do have a place? Be prepared for demographic demolition...sooner... or later.
I'm not sure I agree, Penny.
The problem is that the feelings don't go away simply because they've not been expressed. If people in the news media are honest, then at least we know what may be influencing their interpretation of events or choice of what to cover and what to skip.
Now, if journalism schools were pounding in the notion that it was vital not to attach one's sentiments to political causes, to remain objective, and that what they must give up in order to go into this as a career is participation in the events they cover or any sort of say in which way the world goes... then awesome. But I'm pretty sure that journalism itself is presented as an influencing activity, as speaking truth to power, the fifth estate.
Re: Penny....uh, no.
Aug 20, 2009 ... Independent Farmers Feel Squeezed By Milk Cartel
Aug 30, 2010 ... Gazans Still Feel Under Siege
Aug 29, 2010 ... What Does It Feel Like to Be 75?
May 31, 2010 ... Children of Military Families Feel the Strain
Apr 19, 2010 .. Where Bereaved parents Don't Feel So Alone
Jun 19, 2010 ... Louisiana Residents Feel Helpless
May 9, 2010 ... Why Ukrainians Don't Feel Like Celebrating
We may have to agree to disagree, Synova.
You said, "The problem is that the feelings don't go away simply because they've not been expressed. If people in the news media are honest, then at least we know what may be influencing their interpretation of events or choice of what to cover and what to skip."
Cheese and crackers, Synova, are you suggesting that anyone who does not unload their personal feelings are incapable of being objective?
Pardon me, but that is one huge load of a shitty idea, and I must say, an idea that surprisingly came from you?
Let me cut to the quick...
We are NOT created equal, and there is nothing we might see as somewhat "transparent" that would ever change the dynamics of "maybe you are smarter, bigger and ever so much better than me"....unless of course...things were not "exactly as imagined"?
My advice?
Beware of imagination! No straight line from Oz to Kansas, Dorothy.
Someone I spoke to about this issue yesterday referred to it as a game-changer. I'm not certain that's true, despite my desire for it to be. Whether or not this is a political correctness oroboros moment, the tyranny of correct thought is laid bare by instances like this. The chest-beating tolerant tend to be hit with bright lights and scurry under the fridge when things like this happen.
The problem is most of us forget about particular incidents and move on to the next sound bite. Political correctness, then, seems to thrive on our societal A.D.D.
So how is it that Greenwald was supportive of Helen Thomas' little faux pas, but wants to throw Williams' under the bus?
Oh, duh. My bad...
Uh no.
Greenwald is the only one being consistent because he opposes the firing of Juan Williams and people like Octavia Nasr, who was lynched by the right.
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