"Whichever woman may walk through that door, she's appreciated," Markus said in his Details interview. "A surrogate lover will love that woman for a whole hour, or however much we charge here, and she'll leave feeling much more empowered and much more confident in herself."Are women really going to do this? It's $300 an hour at a well-established brothel called Shady Lady.
"It won't be successful," said Arie Mack Moore, owner of the Angel's Ladies Brothel, about two miles north of Beatty. "You can't have both (male and female prostitutes) in the same building or adjacent to each other, in my opinion."Hmm. I would think women customers would want to avoid being around male customers. Or wait. If they're both customers, why don't they save $600 and just have sex with each other?
Moore claims his business has picked up since Markus was hired, with customers saying they wanted to avoid the Shady Lady because of Markus.
A 22-year-old prostitute at Angel's Ladies named "Cuddles" said Markus' unwillingness to see gay males makes the Shady Lady seem sexist and discriminatory. Her brothel services women.Ha ha. There is no end to the problems, is there? Isn't almost everybody a big old sexist when it comes to whom they're willing to have sex with? How can that be bad? And it's prostitution! Why are we even criticizing prostitutes for being bad? The whole thing is inherently bad... or at least unconventional. How can you go all PC? It's a prostitute named Cuddles, going all PC. That's quite something.
"How can you just turn down services because of what someone's preferences is? It comes with the territory. It comes with the business," she said.Business? But Markus said it was love.
George Flint, a longtime lobbyist for the Nevada Brothel Owners Association, said allowing a male prostitute creates legitimate health concerns. Male customers are thoroughly cleaned and inspected for signs of disease before sex at Nevada's brothels, and he doesn't believe the same "fanaticism" is possible when checking female customers.This is the funniest part, isn't it? Fanaticism isn't possible when checking the lady parts.
Flint said he believed the Shady Lady Ranch... could see a temporary wave of curious female customers, but the experiment will ultimately fail.... "You and I and the rest of the world can sit and debate this damn thing until hell freezes over, but if nobody shows up at her front door, what's it proved?"Well, it's not a very good experiment, so its failure doesn't mean there's no potential in the gigolo end of the prostitution business. Shady Lady has one guy, and the place is full of female prostitutes and their male clients. I wouldn't call it a failure until you try it with an array of men, not just Markus. And have more of a spa-like, "exclusive" ambiance that is completely oriented to female taste, not some crazy old whorehouse designed for male clientele. Nothing that would call itself "shady." Make it very clean and well-lit. White linen. Work some luxury bathing into the schedule of "treatments" to handle the "legitimate health concerns" noted above. I'm sure you can think of plenty more good ideas for the design of a (legal) prostitution business that would attract female customers.
UPDATE: Blogger has unpublished this post on the theory that it violates the "Illegal activities policy." This keeps happening to me. Posts about prostitution — based on news articles — are treated as though I were conducting the business of prostitution! I thought Google's artificial intelligence was more sophisticated than that, but here I am, once again, devoting my time to asserting that I'm not a prostitute.
60 comments:
"well-lit"?
Madam you would suck at that business...
No problem Cuddles. I'm into hardcore S&M and I can only get off in your ass. Please don't discriminate against me.
Everyday is a new day filled with new possibilities.
thank you.
I'm sure you can think of plenty more good ideas for the design of a (legal) prostitution business that would attract female customers.
Like bon-bons and pedicures?
Cripes-
Althouse has a -
"let's play doctor" fantasy...
I'm thinkin' there's a post-lawprof career for Meadehouse as a team!
A madam couple, that gives good blog!
He will find out there is more money in doing guys and change his policy.
I'm sure that Cuddles and all the other women hookers are shaved. Blecch.
And Markus probably is too.
Peter
I'm sure that Cuddles and all the other women hookers are shaved. Blecch.
And Markus probably is too.
Peter
No Dylan during the fornicatin'...it frightens the customers!
I think Althouse has the better business plan.
wv: mopric
Well at least we know where Bissage is now.
""well-lit"? Madam you would suck at that business..."
"Well" ≠ brightly.
It must look very posh and clean and unsleazy.
The Nevada Brothel Owners Association. One of those evil special interests drowning our government with big bucks. I cannot wait to see their political commercials.
I can see it now.
Million Dollar TV Commercial:
"Harry Reid has been a benefit to the citizens of Nevada. He has always stood up for the blah blah blah... Yada, yada yada...
This commercial paid for by the Nevada Brothel Owners Association."
Garage! Garage! Where are you?
Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute
Dammit, Trooper!
No really.
Well lit and spa-like.
Start with a nice soak and a pedicure, manicure. All the attendants super sexy guys of course.
Slip the medical exam in there somewhere unobtrusive, clinical but *spa* clinical, not clinic clinical.
Move on to the relaxing massage by candle light.
I don't *approve* mind you, but a man type of brothel will not do at all.
The complaint that "Markus" won't take male customers is stupid. Not that there couldn't be women at the spa-brothel for women who wanted a girl, or men at the man-brothel for men who wanted a boy.
But I agree with Althouse that almost all women who might go to a brothel would not go to a brothel that served male clients.
Oh, and the spa-brothel should be a real spa and the brothel part optional for the woman who doesn't want to go that far.
Here's my question: If such a place existed, would we support taking our young ladies there to introduce them to the world of "love" as young men were taken, back in the day? Does your answer have more to do with the gender (i.e. you'd take your son but not your daughter) or just a general distaste for prostitutes? And if the latter, how do you feel about the average college girl you can find on YouTube dating your son/being your daughter?
$300 an hour? I would charge $100 an hour and I would pay in cold, hard cash.
Gawd... I love conservatives.
So concerned about the loss of traditional values.
Yet so eager to gawk in awe at whatever new sexual sideshow rolls into town.
About a year ago I read somewhere that Heidi Fleis was going to open up an all male brothel in Nevada.
Hey Jayne, didn't you and the crew visit an establishment like that once?
lol, Julius.
Conservatives with family values like sex a whole lot. And people are interesting, why they do what they do is interesting and understanding them is interesting.
So would the unintended consequences of legal for-pay prostitution is that you can be sexist with whom approaches you to sleep with for money. Or, a potential customer can sue for sexual discrimination for a paid service? Hmmm.
Titus said...
Everyday is a new day filled with new possibilities.
thank you.
Your possibilities are always filled until you empty your bowels.
Titus said...
He will find out there is more money in doing guys and change his policy.
HA!!! You're one to give advice.
Woody Allen: I help the girls dress and undress.
Other guy: How much does it pay?
Woody Allen: [some number]
Other guy: That's not much
Woody Allen: It's all I can afford.
- Some film I saw long long ago back when I saw films.
"Well" ≠ brightly.
Okay okay...
I've got no damn idea how in hell this would work-I mean come on!
I was a bartender-if you are a chick and desperate all you gotta do is show up at-
Closing time.
Oh, and Drudge has a pic of the guy...
Yuck!
Swarmy...
Spa-brothel?
Sprathel?
@Jennifer. Hell no. But I also wouldn't take my son to such a place. Strippers and hookers exude a toxic air of sadness. Porn stars, surprisingly, not so much.
Ann's business model probably has a better shot, although she might want to have some "fantasy" rooms lending a little romance - Rhett and Scarlett, Flynn and Olivia, that sort of thing; and parading women customers in with the Johns is definitely a bad idea.
Saw a picture of the legalo on Drudge. To paraphrase Carol Burnett to Don Adams, "He ain't no Sean O'Connery".
madawaskan said...
"well-lit"?
Madam you would suck at that business...
Isn't that the point?
Besides, until she's running the place, it's Madame.
"...she'll leave feeling much more empowered and much more confident in herself."
Really? Women sure are different from men, and from any women I know or would want to know.
I will point this out for any of the women I know who are driving down to Las Vegas. Its roughly half way between here and there, and we have an office in Vegas, so there is a reason to drive it (I fly, but several in my office don't or can't).
"I was a bartender-if you are a chick and desperate all you gotta do is show up at closing time."
There's a safety issue. Safety and cleanliness.
And no, I would never do either. If you're a chick and you're desperate all you gotta do is take care of it yourself. Same for men, I suppose.
Sorry to all the gays here, but I think that he is just fine sticking to women. I know women who would not go to a guy who also does guys.
Why? One reason is the perception that many of the women who have gotten AIDS did so through bi-sexual men.
After the fourth trick of the night how does he get the lead back in his pencil?
If the Drudge picture is the celebrated Markus, I don't see a bright future.
@ricpic: I suppose it would depend on how cunning he is.
"and she'll leave feeling much more empowered and much more confident in herself"
What a lie! Paying someone who does not know you to pretend that they care about you and get you off is no recipe for self esteem or confidence.
That may be the lie of the week.
Trey
To figure out what the place should be like, you first have to figure out who the customer is. The customers aren't just "women," they're "women who want to pay for sex." You have to come up with the characteristics of such women and go from there.
You'd have to survey around and find some women like that, then talk to them. I cannot imagine what they'd be like.
I think this business is doomed.
(Which is fine with me. What the heck, people? Form some normative human relationships!)
Like selling water to a fish.
"Whichever woman may walk through that door, she's appreciated," Markus said in his Details interview. "A surrogate lover will love that woman for a whole hour, or however much we charge here
Holy Crap! Smoove B lives!
http://www.theonion.com/content/columnists/view/smoove
Making it alluring for women might not involve intercourse or sex.
Consider Porn For Women
From the above link "Porn for Women":..."photos of hunky men cooking, listening, asking for directions, accompanied by steamy captions: 'I love a clean house!' or 'As long as I have two legs to walk on, you'll never take out the trash.' Now this is porn that will leave women begging for more!"
Just shoot me.
A surrogate lover will love that woman for a whole hour...
A WHOLE hour!!!?!
Lame. This is not how you sell prostitution. It sounds like "If you're sad and desperate, this is the place to be!" No one is going to want to identify with that, even if it's true.
and she'll leave feeling much more empowered and much more confident in herself.
Even lamer.
Ladies brothel?
You go inside the brothel?
Bed in the brothel?
You go in the bed?
Gigolo's in the bed, Our Gigolo?
"Farewell and adieu to you, fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu, you ladies of Spain. For we've received orders for to sail back to Boston. And so nevermore shall we see you again. "
Just yesterday, I was talking with someone who had not heard of the movie, American Gigolo, Lauren Hutton, Blondie, or Gravity Boots.
Now I have another reason to watch that little time capsule again.
Oh, for the love of Mike. . .look, people, go down to the library or the second hand book store. Lawrence Sanders covered this over twenty years ago: "The Seduction of Peter S."
wv - "danksles." What an Ogunquit woman says after leaving the fem brothel (I expect only Titus and Theo will get that joke).
FWIW: The Red Cross will consider you ineligible to donate blood if you "have had sexual contact in the past 12 months with anyone [who has] ever taken money, drugs or other payment for sex since 1977." Apparently, the Red Cross has found the willingness to take payment for sex to be a predictor for HIV-tainted blood.
You might ask what are some other signs or symptoms of HIV that would disqualify your blood from being accepted by the Red Cross.
- unexplained weight loss (10 pounds or more in less than 2 months)
- night sweats
- blue or purple spots in your mouth or skin
- white spots or unusual sores in your mouth
- lumps in your neck, armpits, or groin, lasting longer than one month
- diarrhea that won’t go away
- cough that won’t go away and shortness of breath
- fever higher than 100.5 F lasting more than 10 days.
It must look very posh and clean and unsleazy
Top criteria to be successful as a male prostitution house from a female viewpoint.....not that I would ever consider patronizing. :-D
1. The female patrons do not interact with or even see each other. You do not want to see your neighbor, hairdresser or bank teller. Anonymity.
Plus, women really would like to fantasize about being unique and the only one...even in a whore/man house situation. Seeing a lot of other women standing in line and ponying up money to get laid...just takes away the fantasy. Women are all about fooling themselves.
2. Soothing ambient lighting that says classy, expensive and sexy.
2a. beautiful lighting fixtures, living plants, ceramics, fine art work.
3. Clean spa like atmosphere. In fact, even offer the spa amenities as a part of the overall experience. Massages, facials...sex
3a. soft towels and robes, fabulous showers.
3b. souvenir soaps, lotions and ahem ...other thingies as a profitable side line of products.
4. Soft mood music. Or other music appropriate to the age of the clientele
5. Nice aromas.
6. A bunch of studly guys named Sven, Raul and Phillipe...even if they are really George, Bob and Bubba.
7. Fantasy themed rooms in they style of bodice ripper romance novels (pirate, cowboy, super spy) or darker fantasies (vampire, mild S&M)
7a. COSTUMES!!
Somehow I also think there should be drinks and hor douvres... oh crap who can spell that....snacks.
And of course ...we take Visa.
After the fourth trick of the night how does he get the lead back in his pencil?
Ah...well....THERE is the flaw in the business model. All the ambient lighting aside. You do have to produce a reliable product.
:-)
Heh, the gay agenda at work:
Homosexuality isn't just tolerated, it's mandatory.
TMink said...
What a lie! Paying someone who does not know you to pretend that they care about you and get you off is no recipe for self esteem or confidence.
Where have you been? Women want to be lied to. Didn't you know that. Why, there are entire books and movies based on that premise alone.
wv = outaeba = a gay amoeba that was outed by his other amoeba friends.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
Ah...well....THERE is the flaw in the business model. All the ambient lighting aside. You do have to produce a reliable product.
With Viagra, one doesn't need to refill the pencil. The bic just keep on flic'in.
Host clubs appear to be quite profitable over in Japan. Not quite a straight up money for sex deal, but pretty close to male prostitution nonetheless.
How many male prostitutes for females only until supply and demand meet equilibrium? Two? Six?
And what of prices? My own price might well be substantially below zero if the client is especially hot and has a nice, bouncy rack.
Or wait. If they're both customers, why don't they save $600 and just have sex with each other??
My husband's woman cousin once watched several minutes of a soccer game and then said, "Why don't they just give each of them a ball??"
You have to admire the abilities of a gigolo to be able to sexually perform for an old, ugly woman who has to pay for sex because she can't get it for free. LOL
hor douvres... oh crap who can spell that
whore doevres
LOL!!!
Actually DBQ what you describe is my gay stylist's beautiful spa/salon, plus gigolos.
Not the costume part, but the spa part.
^ lest anyone think I am the old, ugly woman paying for sex in my comment above, uh, no.
A hysterectomy and years of dangerous meds to suppress my hormones (to save my life) has also wrenched every last drop of desire from me.
Blessed release!
Free at last, free at last!
Thank God almight, I'm free at last!
Happy to be off the crazy train.
Perfect market equilibium.
No supply, no demand.
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