By the third week in September, a “Free Sarah” campaign was under way and the press at large was growing increasingly critical of the McCain camp’s decision to keep me, my family and friends back home, and my governor’s staff all bottled up. Meanwhile, the question of which news outlet would land the first interview was a big deal, as it always is with a major party candidate.Why didn't you have a say? There's that "really" hedging: You didn't really have a say. You're pleading passivity and impotence but you want us to think you have what it takes to be President of the United States?
From the beginning, Nicolle [Wallace] pushed for Katie Couric and the CBS Evening News. The campaign’s general strategy involved coming out with a network anchor, someone they felt had treated John well on the trail thus far. My suggestion was that we be consistent with that strategy and start talking to outlets like FOX and the Wall Street Journal. I really didn’t have a say in which press I was going to talk to, but for some reason Nicolle seemed compelled to get me on the Katie bandwagon.
“Katie really likes you,” she said to me one day. “she’s a working mom and admires you as a working mom. She has teenage daughter like you. She just relates to you,” Nicolle said. “believe me, I know her very well. I’ve worked with her.”It is inane to be swayed by this blather. Most of Palin's opponents would probably say the same sort of thing — or at least would have said the same thing at the time, back before any negative stories about her family had appeared. Isn't it lovely that Sarah Palin has a nice husband and kids and she has a great job too?
Women have been patted on the head like that for years. It does not express more profound respect. Indeed, it often betrays disrespect under the surface. If — back when my sons were children — someone had told me that he was impressed by my work as a law professor because I was a "working mom," I would have felt insulted. Perhaps he only meant well, but I would make a mental note to be suspicious of him. The famous Samuel Johnson quote would spring to mind: "Sir, a woman's preaching is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all."
If Sarah Palin did not see the limited value of Nicolle Wallace's comment about Katie Couric, then she is too pollyannaish and unsophisticated to be trusted with presidential power. Couric is a pussycat compared to the world leaders who will smile and exude pleasantries and then stab you in the back.
Nicolle had left her gig at CBS just a few months earlier to hook up with the McCain campaign. I had to trust her experience, as she had dealt with national politics more than I had.Had to trust? Because of your limited experience? Who else would you trust? Wallace was pushing for her own former employer, CBS! Her recommendation of Couric had an element of self-interest and should have been discounted.
But something always struck me as peculiar about the way she recalled her days in the White House, when she was speaking on behalf of President George W. Bush. She didn't have much to say that was positive about her former boss or the job in general. Whenever I wanted to give a shout-out to the White House’s homeland security efforts after 9/11, we were told we couldn’t do it. I didn’t know if that was Nicolle’s call.Why didn't you know? Why did you trust this person? Why do you now think it makes you look good to blame her for your traipse into the lioness's den?
Nicolle went on to explain that Katie really needed a career boost. “She just has such low self-esteem,” Nicolle said. She added that Katie was going through a tough time. “She just feels she can’t trust anybody.”Katie has low self-esteem?! Bullshit! Anyone with the stuff to be President would have said bullshit. Or something like: Look, I'm running for Vice President. I can't be distracted by some TV diva's need for an emotional boost. Not unless I know it will translate into making me look great. But how would that work? Her boost is only likely to come if she makes me look terrible. Even if she has low self-esteem, #1, I don't care, it's hardly a pressing issue I need to be thinking about, and #2, that makes her more dangerous to me. She can't trust anybody? Well, I don't trust her. And Nicolle, how can you even present me with such an argument that is so specious on its face?
I was thinking, And this has to do with John McCain’s campaign how?
Nicolle said. “She wants you to like her.”She wants me to like her or she wants America — especially the media elite — to like her? Come on, Nicolle, Katie Couric can't be that much of a sad sack. And if she is, I don't want to be seen with her.
Hearing all that, I almost started to feel sorry for her. Katie had tried to make a bold move from lively morning gal to serious anchor, but the new assignment wasn’t going very well.You know who I feel sorry for? Kim Jong Il. I'm afraid he's lonely.
“You know what? We’ll schedule a segment with her,” Nicolle said. “If it doesn’t go well, if there’s no chemistry, we won’t do any others.”Chemistry? What is this, a date — perhaps just a coffee, so that if you don't like her it will be over soon, and you won't need to see her again?
Meanwhile, the media blackout continued. It got so bad that a couple of times I had a friend in Anchorage track down phone numbers for me, and then I snuck in calls to folks like Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and someone I thought was Larry Kudlow but turned out to be Neil Cavuto’s producer.She had trouble getting phone numbers? She "snuck" around, relying on friends? Like it's a Nancy Drew caper. And did she not see the downside of allowing right-winger to draw her out? That wasn't fair to McCain. McCain's people locked her down? Did she think carefully about their reasons? Does she think carefully about anything? Why did she agree to be McCain's running mate? She won't take responsibility for her own difficulties.
Apparently, they were afraid you were not ready, and they were right, so why didn't you trust them or at least accept that you owed them control over the presidential campaign? You agreed to take the subordinate position, and you had to know that their reasons for picking you had to do with image and style. If you weren't prepared to do it their way, you should not have accepted the part. At the very least, you should not have been mystified about the way they were treating you. You should have been looking at the campaign strategy from every angle and building your sophistication, not just aching to burst free and expose yourself to the world — which, as you soon learned, did not go well.
It seems that Sarah Palin wasn't able or didn't want to bother to analyze whether she was ready to debut on the big media stage, and she wasn't large-minded enough to think beyond herself to what it would mean for the whole campaign. That is, she was dumb. She was too dumb to handle campaign responsibilities properly, so she was clearly too dumb to step into the role of President of the United States.
Could she build up her political intelligence? Might she have it now or by 2012? If these 2 pages of "Going Rogue" are any evidence, she is displaying her weaknesses all over again, and she is still too dumb to be President. And, most scarily, she doesn't know how dumb she still is.
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Who's the King Canute here, Man-child President who orates that we should pass a bill, or Sarahpalooza who posts on Facebook & changes the grounds of the discussion?
"Death panels fits in a long illustrious history of conservative "game changers" like "Double down on Gitmo", "Joe the Plumber", "The Chicago Way" or "Porkulus". This is truly the stuff that generations will write about."
Right up there with getting out of Iraq being the fiercest moral urgency of the day and GUITMO being another Auszwitz. How is that working out for you? How does it feel to have your president screw his most ardent supporters and make them look like a fool on a daily basis?
Funny thing is, Obama also said that after traveling to 57 states, he also REALLY wanted to go to Hawaii and Alaska, but his campaign chairman wouldn't allow it and this while he was still campaigning. Why does he get a pass?
Are you being overly critical because you're a sexist or just jealous of her success?
And Ronald Reagan was "dumb as a stump", according to Christopher Hitchens; and by most accounts, Jimmy Carter was very intelligent -- he had a degree in nuclear engineering.
And this is why I pick & choose what I like from Hitchens. He's excellent on religion, but on politics he's a rank amateur.
"Disapproving scowl? You treat her like an insecure 12 year old who must be given a gold star for not eating the paste."
Whereas Obama won't talk to anyone who might not be friendly to him.
Wow.
Oprah is *supposed* to be a talk show host. Which would include, as her job, encouraging her "guests" to relax and open up to her.
Couric is *supposed* to be an emotionally detached and neutral professional. Which would include not being openly hostile to one candidate while all but undressing for the other.
If you watch the Couric interview of Palin and the Couric interview of Obama and watch *Couric* (which we tend not to do) the difference in her "professional" demeanor is remarkable.
Oprah does better... but barely.
Sounds to me like she's trying to be a team player. Not having been in a national campaign before and relying on people that John McCain trusts to help her. It also sounds like it was against her better judgment.
The "inside the beltway types" ruin campaigns all over the country. Just ask a lot of decent congressional candidates that got poor advice from the NRCC.
Ask Bobby Jindal after he took advice about his rebuttal address of President Obama. Instead of being himself he tried to do and say what they asked of him.
Bart De Palma wrote: Don't fret, though. I am sure an ambitious and intelligent woman like Palin will develop the cynicism you mistake for "political intelligence" and learn to distrust everyone. Too bad.
Well said.
Once she fits the template, the media, the Moonbats and the intellectuals will recognize her and stop worrying. It might be a relief for her family.
"Synova: I'm pretty sure I've read a fuller answer to that Levi question, and it is perfect. Loving and kind. I think you'll like it."
I was "summing up" from memory. I might not have got the question exactly right and I did, very much, shorten the response.
Even Mr. Smith (played by Jimmy Stewart) made mistakes with the NATIONAL press and politicians. He learned his lesson, though, and triumphed in the end.
Ann Althouse, in love with her own name.
Ann Althouse, fell for hopey-changey cuz she was in love with someone who will grow to despise her and all seemed magical and right with the world.
Ann Althouse, can't contain her jealousy of a beautiful woman and mother so results to schoolyard name calling.
Ann Althouse, typical arrogant c**t.
she treats others as regular folks and does not automatically assume those around her will stab her in the back to aggrandize themselves. Believe it or not, in that regard, Palin is pretty much like the rest of us in the heartland outside the snake pits in DC and Chicago.
That may be the just-folks image that the heartland wants to portray, but people who are successful in business and in politics from the City Council on up in the heartland are not as inept as Palin seems to be in this segment of her book.
Why does [Obama] get a pass?
Obama's verbal slips are evidence he's thinking of two things at once: 50 + 47 = 57, remembering to honor Joe Medicine Crow while preoccupied with thoughts of the Fort Hood massacre.
In contrast, Palin was barely thinking of anything at all.
Sorry, Synova. I didn't think you were disapproving, just thought the full answer wasn't available in the clip is all.
Weak, weak, weak. Thanks for phoning that one in, Ann.
Why not weigh in on the substance of her achievements - good and bad - instead of trying to beat the rest of the Palin-bashers to critique her book (based on a measly 2 pages)?
Even a well-written article couldn't cover your stank of opportunism.
Charles - her book is part of the substance of Sarah Palin. Face it, she's dumber then a bag of hammers!
Joe Biden, however, GENIUS! Digging through an entire book and looking for ways to dig her grave. Why do you hate her so much? The way she speaks? That she didn't abort a down-child? That's she's effective and counter to your belief system?
Why don't you take a look at what Obama and his ilk are doing to this country? Earn your pay. Stop being a hack.
Alex wrote (2:31): [Hitchens is] excellent on religion, but on politics he's a rank amateur.
Actually, other than his mischaracterization of Reagan, he's passable on politics. He doesn't know his ass from a hot rock about religion.
Anyone who likes Sarah Palin, hates intelligence and basic reasoning skills! Woof!
And you are ugly inside, Ashen. Where it counts.
Alex, your expert status to make such a pronouncement about Palin's supporters is...?
Ann, maybe you should wait to see the entire context of the book before jumping to conclusions, huh?
Sarah is no dummy, and had plenty of national media experience prior to 8/29/98. She had a gaggle of national interviews lined up in St. Paul before she was tapped ro run as VP. All were cancelled by the McCain staff. And long before she ran with McCain Palin had been interviewed by Newsweek, Charlie Rose, CNBC (twice), Glenn Beck, and Vogue. She came across well in all of those appearances.
What hampered Sarah was trying to be a team player and go along with a McCain campaign strategy she knew in her gut was wrong -- especially given the unprecedented attention of her run. NOBODY paid this much attention to any other VP candidate in history.
Even judging by the way her book is being dissected before its even released you have to admit this is not a normal reaction to a typical politician.
Who could have predicted that?
To call Sarah "dumb" for expecting (hoping) the press would treat her with the same modicum of even-handedness they gave her before her VP selection is simply malicious.
As for Katie Couric? She sure didn't badger Biden on not knowing U.S. history, did she? I'm sure Joe could reel off some Supreme Court decisions he disagrees with, along with knowing when TV was invented.
Greta Van Sustern, an attorney, asked veteran attorney friends to name Supreme Court decisions they disagreed with, and very few actually could. It was a silly exercise for Katie to do. She didn't care about Sarah's record of accomplishments or her real expertise or the actual role she would play as VP. She wanted to make her look bad.
Well, Katie ... karma is often a bitch. Look out.
Alex:
I'm not denying a single word in her book, but I just want to read the entire thing in context. I'm also making an analogy to a fictional movie (if you want to discuss the analogy to Ronald Reagan instead, that's fine with me too).
Whereas Obama won't talk to anyone who might not be friendly to him.
Synova,
Don't let the facts get in the way. I mean Obama's done interviews with Chris Wallace, Bill O'Reilly and Major Garrett on Fox News and has planned another interview with Major in about a week, and that doesn't include the hundred other outlets of all stripes. Hell, he talked to a NY Post (Murdoch owned) reporter just out of the blue on Veteran's day.
Except for the very plush and comfortable coach on Oprah, Sarah's just going to stay among the safe havens of Fox News. She couldn't even take on Katie Couric and I'm sure the mere thought of a interview on MSNBC would send her into night tremors like it did Bush.
"Obama's verbal slips are evidence he's thinking of two things at once: 50 + 47 = 57, remembering to honor Joe Medicine Crow while preoccupied with thoughts of the Fort Hood massacre."
Nice try. I think it is pretty obvious after a year in office Obama is not very intelligent. The man is in his late 40s and still lives on his law school resume. How pathetic is someone who still mentions 20 years on that they were "editor of law review"? Pretty pathetic.
It is not so much Obama's gaffes. Everyone makes gaffes. It is Obama's profound ignorance about how the world and the economy work. We are in the worst recession since the 1930s and Obama seems to believe that spending a trillion dollars on healthcare and doubling the price of energy through cap and trade is the solution. He doesn't seem to have any idea what to do about the economy or unemployment. The man honestly though Pelosi's stimulus was going to keep unemployment below 8%. That is not a gaffe. That is rank stupidity. He thought that Putin would help him with Iran after he unilaterally sold out Eastern European missile defense. Putin said thank you and proceeded to block sanctions at the UN. Obama completely misread and misunderstood what was happening in Honduras and managed to alienate half of Latin America.
Obama is showing himself to be profoundly stupid. He seems to have no idea how the economy actually works and even less understanding of the world at large. Given that he hasn't ever done much in his life beyond be a half term Senator, this shouldn't be much of a surprise. But, it would be nice if he could maybe learn something on the job. But even that seems beyond him.
Sorry, but if you're hitching your wagon to Sarah Palin you might as well be admitted that you belong to the modern aw shucks "Know Nothing" party. Hee haw, can I fuck my sister now?
Ann, just...Wow. I can usually get through your comments okay, but when you put on your bitter "she may be prettier than me but she's DUMB!" face, the comments get truly awful. Congrats for that.
And by the way, saying "I really didn't have control" does not have the same denotation or connotation as "I didn't really have control." You know this, but you move the words around so they say what you want them to say. Did you expect her to have control? How much "control" did/does Biden have? What about all those policy positions he took during his own Presidential campaign--the ones that suddenly got washed out when he joined Obama's team? But no, no, he was in "control," and Palin wasn't.
This whole post is just bulls*** excuses for why you voted the way you did in 2008. Palin was green and admits it. Considering who was about to get elected in a landslide and take the country down the crapper, I support and understand her decision to join the ticket and fight even though she knew she was "green." Somebody had to do it, and it sure as hell wasn't going to be McCain. In fact, I'm glad she bothered to discover her own defects. Perhaps you should acknowledge your own. After all, you're a well-known...what? Blogger? Law Professor at some state school? And no one ever asked you to be a VP? So sad.
Your kidding right? A person who voted for Obama has absolutely NO standing to rate anyones intelligence or readiness to be President.
Actually kind of surprised anyone who voted for that stack of crap piled high is getting out in the daylight.
Why don't folks like you admit that you fucked up, then sit the hell down and let the adults run the country. Cause you intellectuals have put us in the hands of the most dangerous President since...well hell he is the most dangerous President bar none.
Thanks a whole bunch Ms.Smarty pants.
If the repug reaction here is any measure, the democrats don't have much to worry about.
Not only is SP out of her depth, she is a whiner who blames others. What happened to American values of strength, ingenuity, bravery and responsibility.
The tea party set talks non-stop about what they fear and latch onto a MILF to placate their oedipal fetish.
I hope y'all are enjoying the comfort pablum SP feeds you. I still prefer steak, medium rare.
Invisible Man - that's because aw shucks Sarah is scared shitless to be eviscerated by real journalists. She knows it, and WE know it. Thank god she's not the VP!
The combination of her physical attraction and her way of talking played right into a certain stereotype about women.
Most poisoned by the malady Andrew Sullivan.
Obama. Gore. Dukakis.
Althouse casts dumb votes.
I hope this post has the effect of driving away all of the Christian theorcrat element. They're a real drag on this blog. Then it can come down to the real battle between libertarians!
Howard:
Quote ONE of my "reactions" you disagree with.
"Sorry, but if you're hitching your wagon to Sarah Palin you might as well be admitted that you belong to the modern aw shucks "Know Nothing" party. Hee haw, can I fuck my sister now?"
As opposed to the party of brilliance who thought the stimulus was going to stop the recession and raising taxes is the way to prosperity. Socialist polcies have managed to in a mere 50 years turn Detroit from the largest industrial city in history to a barren wasteland. But Dems think taxes, bureacracy and unions are the way for the rest of the country to achieve prosperity. Democrats with the economy are like medieval doctors with leeches. "What do you mean the patient is not recovering? More leeches!!"
Until Democrats show even a fourth grade understanding of economics, they are not allowed to comment on anyone's intelligence.
fls wrote: Obama's verbal slips are evidence he's thinking of two things at once: 50 + 47 = 57, remembering to honor Joe Medicine Crow while preoccupied with thoughts of the Fort Hood massacre.
50 + 47 = 57?
It was bound to happen. fls has offered so many unthinking defenses of The One -- e.g., 2+2=5 -- that she has not only lost her basic arithmetic skills, but she is now hallucinating a mind meld with him.
John - I totally agree that socialism is dumb and not the way to go. However, the GOP has far smarter candidates then "dumb as a bag of hammers" Sarah Palin! Woof!
fls is a female?
Alex:
Did you think that Ronald Reagan was smart or "dumb"?
Wow! You are really full of yourself and I imagine you would describe yourself as bright, insightful and well educated. I would describe you as mean and not worthy to polish Sarah Palin's shoes. Honest persons with integrity will give others the benefit of being the same until they prove themselves to be dishonest and snide. Sarah gave Katie a chance to be fair but Katie skillfully edited the interview to make Sarah look bad. Now you blog to show you have the same lack of integrity. Shame on you.
saw headline, read this at wikipedia "Some critics label her a conservative blogger..... she is a lifelong Democrat (indeed, a Jesse Jackson supporter in 1988), a Barack Obama voter in 2008, and a moderate liberal on most issues. She is pro-choice and opposes overruling Roe v. Wade,[4] but has said that she "do[es] in fact think abortion is wrong."
and wonder if you really know who you are... Jesse Jackson? yikes, that raises a red flag with me right off the bat (unless you subscribe to race baiting as a money raising tool) and yet so sure of your intelligence that you dump on Palin...
but then, you are intelligent in another way, aren't you... in a period when Palin interest is high, call her dumb and get massive web hits on blog... but, like Jesse, baiting also labels you.... STUPID
"The man is in his late 40s and still lives on his law school resume. How pathetic is someone who still mentions 20 years on that they were "editor of law review"? Pretty pathetic."
I'm in my mid-40's and my resume prominently features my military service 20 years ago.
And yeah... it's freaking pathetic.
But I didn't *do* anything much in between that can be put on the resume.
Granted, I'm also looking for "entry level" jobs and not what I'd be looking for if I'd been "working" for the last 20 years.
Alex wrote (2:46): Sorry, but if you're hitching your wagon to Sarah Palin you might as well be admitted that you belong to the modern aw shucks "Know Nothing" party. Hee haw, can I fuck my sister now?
Are you under the impression that this adds something to the discussion?
I always hate to repeat myself, Alex, but as I asked on another thread a couple of days ago: How stupid are you?
He's excellent on religion, but on politics he's a rank amateur.
Hitchens is one of those people who is excellent on topics when people don't know those topics. Know a topic, and he's not excellent at all, but he knows enough to sound like he knows what he's talking about.
People who want to agree with him think he's great on the topics he is discussing. He's an intellectual after all.
Charles - Reagan proved with his 1964 speech that he was very much *not* dumb. Also he served 2 full terms as governor of CA! He was a great orator and knew the issues inside and out. Stop this nonsense comparing Sarah Palin to Reagan. It makes YOU look dumb!
"I hope this post has the effect of driving away all of the Christian theorcrat element. They're a real drag on this blog. Then it can come down to the real battle between libertarians!"
Althouse isn't libertarian. (Or conservative; or Republican.)
In any case, you're not looking for a battle between libertarians. You're looking for a battle between atheists.
I had this argument with my son a few days ago. He said Palin was unqualified to be president. My position was that she's not dumb and would come up to speed pretty fast as VP. It seems to me that Maverick's campaign and his own compulsiveness put her in a untenable situation. Was it dumb of her to accept? Possibly. Is she too dumb to be President? I don't think so. I don't think it requires an Ivy League education, and I think that she's got a lot more charisma than Barack Obama and would do better than he has so far.
I'm not positive that she really wants to be President. I think her admirers and the press are assuming a lot. She's clearly an opinion leader, but she's doing it from her Facebook page.
She's got a family that the media has shown no restraint in criticizing and making jokes about, and it wouldn't surprise me if she just said she's content to observe and comment for the time being.
It's kind of ironic that so many feminists are more vitriolic toward conservative women than men are. If I were she, I'd prefer to pay my debts with my book advance and give my family more focus for the next 6 years.
Synova - whatever, I do not like religionists. Their faith in invisible, imaginary entity makes me feel uncomfortable and dumb!
Well Ann at least Palin wasn't dumb enough to vote for Obama like you did.
Something about glass houses comes to mind....
"But I didn't *do* anything much in between that can be put on the resume.
Granted, I'm also looking for "entry level" jobs and not what I'd be looking for if I'd been "working" for the last 20 years."
Just a guess Synova but you probably raised a few kids in the 20 years since you were in the military. That is a hell of a lot more impressive than anything Obama did between law school and the Senate.
...and yet Obama was found to be presidential material.
*shakes head*
Well Ann, If ANYONE would know dumb, I guess it is YOU!
As the great Ronald Reagan would say:
"Well, it's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just they know so much that isn't so."
Let's see.
Sarah Palin:
SUCCESSFUL City Council Member
SUCCESSFUL City Mayor
SUCCESSFUL President of Alaska Council of Mayors
SUCCESSFUL Chairman Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission
INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL Governor of Alaska
SUCCESSFUL Chairman Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission
SUCCESSFUL author
SUCCESSFUL at driving the national agenda, from Facebook, no less.
Barack Hussein Obama:
Never run a city, never run a state, never run a lemonade stand. And it SHOWS!
Communist Chicago street thug "community organizer." ACORN thug trainer.
One of the greatest failures as a president in the entire history of the world. Makes Jimmy Carter look like Ronald Reagan!
Completely inept, totally corrupt, worthless, useless, and a horrendous mistake.
Ann Althouse:
Hack blogger, no discernible life achievements, except extreme hackery, and complete detachment from reality!
Sarah Palin is an incredibly intelligent woman. She has proved it time and time again.
I realize she didn't go to the "right schools" but you know what? We've had these Ivy League morons in charge of a things for too long.
These losers, like Obama, Congress, and Ann Althouse are educated well beyond their level of intelligence, just enough to be dangerous.
Wow.
I'm with you. Sarah Palin should have bitch-slapped Nicolle as soon as she said anything kind about kids or family. That would certainly show that she wasn't pollyannaish or unsophisticated.
I don't really understand why saying something like: "I'm impressed that you've managed to accomplish so much while raising a family", should set off an accomplished woman. I suppose that's just a little gem I need to keep in my toolkit for when the uppity woman trying to take my job needs to be put in her place. But only, of course, if she isn't "dumb".
Really perfessor, you should grow a skin. Sarah Palin obviously has.
Another lady that was called dumb in her early political life was Margaret Thatcher. I wish American women were not so critical of other women in elected office who did not go to ivy league schools. Lets criticise Gov. Palin base on her actions and not her writing style.
A great poet won the nobel prize for literature not on the basis of writing style.
It appears everybody wants this lady to be perfect and her every action is critique. WHy is her book generating so many interests and so many otehr politicans have books coming out.
++++
I think I will wait for Camille Pegalia take on Palin book before I read it.
Sarah Palin will be supremely qualified to deal with a hostile press should she ever be elected to office again. That's a much greater strength/attribute than the soft-gummed fellation our current President enjoys worldwide.
It's a little strange to have you explain it to us Meade.
Is that you or Ann talking?
"appreciated his service?'
weird.
At least Obama was a sitting US Senator when he ran for President. He was President of the Harvard Law Review and a community organizer!
Ann doesn't realize what a shitstorm she's raised up here. Althouse Hillbillies will not like this at all!
"At least Obama was a sitting US Senator when he ran for President. He was President of the Harvard Law Review and a community organizer!"
And with this Alex has officially jumped the shark.
+k Alex
There's something about Palin that unsettles you. Maybe if she had a law degree, you'd bestow your blessing? I'll bet if she rang you up and asked your opinion, you'd feel better about her?
...then again, maybe not.
you have got to be kidding, she was in the process of learning what kind of weasels inhabit the halls of the Networks. I'm sure she's under no such illusion now. Sheeesh, that is petty.
"Oh, bullshit. I voted for Gore. I also voted for Dukakis."
And it shows.
One can make the argument that Obama is as qualified as he needs to be, considering the world press is so kind to him. Maybe this is proof we should elect American-hating community organizers.
There is something weird and low-class about attending 5 different colleges to get a measly degree in journalism. Palin sounds pretty dumb and very much the quitter-type.
Anne, Just wondering how you could spew so much pus filled excrement about a woman you know absolutely nothing about??? Oh yeah! You're a lawyer....
"elHombre" thinks calling me female is an insult. But what would one expect from someone so insecure in his masculinity that he calls himself "the man"?
Alex:
I didn't compare Sarah Palin to Ronald Reagan. I simply asked you a question.
Alex, you really sound like a bigot when you equate Christians with theocrats. I's sure you think that letting one's faith inform his political views is somehow unconstitutional, but it's not. If atheists can let their atheism affect their political positions, so can believers.
AST - at least with atheists it's a 50/50 chance they are using reason and logic to inform their political positions. With Christians, it's pure 14th century theocracy, "burn em at the stake" type of stuff.
Charles - I did answer the question. I think Reagan was pretty brilliant.
Wow. Calling a person "dumb" is definitely the trademark of a sophisticated intellectual. The only thing worse than that is an envious, sophisticated intellectual. This post comes across like the writings of a petty,overzealous,jealous middle school girl.
Answer me this, Althouse. How can you on one hand claim that a real leader would have stood up and acted on her own judgment, and then ask this:
"so why didn't you trust them or at least accept that you owed them control over the presidential campaign? You agreed to take the subordinate position"
You are proving her point. She disagreed but went with the campaign's directives because she had agreed to be in a subordinate role. You demand two mutually exclusive things from Palin...but SHE'S dumb.
Here's another question then: how many colleges did Obama have to attend?
Alex wrote (2:46): Hee haw, can I fuck my sister now?
Alex wrote (3:02): I do not like religionists. Their faith in invisible, imaginary entity makes me feel uncomfortable and dumb!
Ah, but Alex, Judeo-Christian values are all that stand between you and your sister.
Also, if people of faith make you feel uncomfortable and dumb, I recommend you trust your feelings. LOL
Ace has your number: As a 2nd banana, it behooves the Veep to follow the direction of her boss and those representing themselves speaking for her boss. It's not stupid; it's what one must do.
Before one is fit to lead, one must demonstrate the ability to follow. And be loyal to direction one may personally disagree with.
Mrs. Palin's least convincing rhetoric came when she represented McCain's "maverick" status as a Good Thing. I didn't believe that, and I doubt she believed that, either.
Would she make such a mistake as bringing KSM to NY. Would she give
a shout out in the middle of a very
somber press conference, on an unrelated matter. Would she diss
the Prime Minister of one our major allies and embrace the dictators and thugs of the Third
World. Would she have put forward
a stimulus that wouldn't have worked. You would think there would be some kind of learning curve over the last year. This memoir is based on the journals that she wrote during the campaign. If she had refused to go on Couric, what would have been the response by the cognoscenti.
"There is something weird and low-class about attending 5 different colleges to get a measly degree in journalism. Palin sounds pretty dumb and very much the quitter-type."
There is something unbelievably stupid and ill informed about someone not understanding that not everyone has mommy and daddy to pay the way.
Whining is not a good political strategy.
Apparently, they were afraid you were not ready, and they were right,
OH how so. Last time I looked McCain's People LOST the election and Palin followed their plan to the letter. If they were sooo right should not their campaign have won? Or were there just too many stuoid people like you that got hoodwinked by Obama? You say they were right? On what basis are you suggesting that they were right. The McCain people were wrong to keep her bottled up. They were wrong not to trust her. They wanted a lapdog/attack dog. They wanted a Y chromosone to be seen but not heard except when they said talk. They failed to use Palin's strengths and instead choose to concentrate on her supposed weaknesses (kind of like you are doing) They were not dumb they were stupid beyond belief.
They turned asset into a liability. How stupid do you have to be to take a person that can draw 60,000 people to an event and not use her because her views do not match yours. When you think you are smarter then the "rubes" that vote or smarter then the people you handle dumb things happen.
Hilarious! Someone who voted for Obama is describing somebody else as dumb? Ha ha
Lawyers are systematically trying to reconfigure this country, but they will fail.
Just out of curiosity, Ann, which Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with? (Please don't cheat now, by consulting your law books!)
John:
Good point.
Fred4Pres (God forbid):
Are you implying that Gov. Palin is "whining"? If so, please quote her words in that regard.
"Just a guess Synova but you probably raised a few kids in the 20 years since you were in the military. That is a hell of a lot more impressive than anything Obama did between law school and the Senate."
True. That's why I said "can be put on a resume."
And yes, I know that the PC thing now is to claim that it ought to go there and count... but I'd rather have my fingernails yanked off with pliers before looking for a job where the experience of taking care of babies or supervising children is relevant.
I mean... I *loved* my kids. Made it worth while even if not making it all gloriously fun.
I'd like to work with adults from now on.
:-)
Actually, since others are talking about Palin's mommy credentials and having a career I suppose this isn't even exactly off topic.
The thing is is that the manifold virtues of child rearing and consequent "life experience" are supposed to, these days, be the equivalent of a "career"... but they really aren't. To be honest... they really are not.
Worthwhile? Absolutely. Important? Absolutely. Contribute more than a lot of other things to the general good? Yes. Very much the case.
But lets not pretend that the experience translates to the workplace in a meaningful way.
OTOH, I'm actually with Althouse on the matter of having to insist that "mom" is a positive qualification. One of my favorite authors, IIRC who said this, said that being a mother was often an anti-qualification for people. It shouldn't be an anti-qualification, but it's silly to act like it really means anything much. Pelosi, I think it was, went on once about being a "mom." How stupid! I had a pastor and his wife, once, who had a single child and would go on about *being* a parent and I resented it because they had NO idea beyond the emotional attachment involved, what other parents, moms *and* dads, daily lives were like.
When Palin was nominated a whole bunch of people suddenly discovered the notion that a mother should stay home with her children or she was a bad person.
That was beyond stupid.
That's the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen you post, Ann.
You wrote about 3-4 pages to address 2 of Palin's pages -- that screams "overkill" and then the mind asks where does that overkill come from? "Why is Ann so worked up about this woman?" The answer isn't complimentary.
With Christians, it's pure 14th century theocracy, "burn em at the stake" type of stuff.
At what point did atheists become the anti-intellectuals? Ah, how times have changed.
Here's an interesting article on Christian political theology written by one of the most important theologians of the last fifty years. It's a bit early in his career, however, though I suppose this is why it is free online. Warning, there are big words and intellectual thoughts.
Recovered Democrat:
You mean to ask Ann "Other than Ledbetter v. Goodyear, which Supreme Court decisionS (plural) do you disagree with?"
Ann,
I love your blog and usually agree with most of what you have to say. Today, I strongly disagree. You fell for Our Dear Leader Obama ... should I consider you dumb?
Palin followed their plan to the letter.
To be fair, Palin left out a few things, like her unwed teen daughter had a bun in the oven. And that Palin was using her power as Governor to continue a vendetta against her ex-brother-in-law. And that the only publication she was ever spotted reading was the John Birch Society's American Opinion. And that her husband had supported Alaskan secession. And that she boarded an airplane to fly home after her water broke. And that she accepted free taxpayer money for the Bridge to Nowhere before she rejected it. And so on.
Ana Althouse is right. Sssssssshhhh, folks let the liberals stay disconnected. It is good for us..... we CONSERVATIVES will be a Tsunami in 2010 and 2012 and wash away liberals aka traitors to sea. They would be basking in the sunshine of their ignorance, and enjoying a perfect day on their Obama beach and wooooooosh - next thing they know they are washed out at sea. The salt from the sea will do the rest to their over inflated, elite ego wounds. Then it will be our, Constitutionally speaking, America from sea to shinning sea.
This Althouse post would have been defensible if it was entitled "Palin WAS Dumb", and then given a cogent, consistent argument why that adjective applied to what Palin described.
Instead, this Althouse post was just dumb.
Salt Lick:
All good points (except the page limit thing -- if Ann quotes from the book, she can't help but go over the original page count :)
former law student:
What makes you think that Palin left any of that out to the vetting team?
Althouse has an unfortunate tendency to make enormous leaps, sometimes at extreme variance with previous opinions, based on her emotional first reaction to whatever she last heard/saw on a particular subject.
For example, after hearing Obama's race speech, she promptly gushed about people studying the speech in school "300 years from now" (even if Obama isn't elected!) Now, based on this single example from Palin's book, she doesn't just conclude that Palin was "dumb" in the particular circumstance being described, she irrationally jumps to the sweeping conclusion that "Palin is dumb", in general.
Apparently, Althouse is just excitable, like Andrew Sullivan.
Althouse,
I read as much of your post as you read of Sarah's book.
From your words - the ones that I read, it is obvious that you are dumb and lack judgment.
So my question for you is, should I post my reaction, or should I consider whether you might not be as dumb and inadequate as your words - the ones that I read - suggest?
Based on your post, you seem to be on a par with Michael Dean who also needs to think before shooting.
Althouse, you could learn a lot from Michael Dean.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/08pdf/08-5274.pdf
fls wrote: "elHombre" thinks calling me female is an insult. But what would one expect from someone so insecure in his masculinity that he calls himself "the man"?
Is there some gender identification in "former law student" or in your non-existent profile that I have missed?
Is there some basis of which I am unaware that renders it "an insult" to call someone whose gender is unknown "female" rather than "male."
I thought not.
I note that your delusions now include mind melds with me as well as Obama, allowing you to detect my insecurities. Technically, however, "el hombre" simply means "man," not "the man."
May I assume that concealing your gender reflects some insecurity about your own sexuality?
Oh, and to Alex who thinks we're all stupid for supporting Sarah Palin.
It's gonna dawn on you, at some point, that you are a superficial twit who cares more about how many schools someone attended than what they learned.
I'll tell you what Sarah Palin learned by paying her own way through community college and university like many normal Americans ...
She learned that when something's not working out, you find another strategy. You don't double-down on misery. When you're not happy in Hawaii, and you miss your family, you move closer to home. When you graduate from a two-year school, you move on to four-year one.
She learned that she didn't have to depend on her parents or the government or a mysterious benefactor to earn her degree.
And she learned in her degree studies that journalists are supposed to be objective, fair and tell the truth ... Which is why it was such a shock to her last year that they do none of the above when convering conservative candidates.
I think the phrase you might need to study up on, Alex, is moral courage. Because you can't buy it, it doesn't come automatically with a position on the law review. It comes through the school of hard knocks.
Underestimate its power at your own expense.
former law student said...
Palin followed their plan to the letter.
Palin left out a few things, like
11/13/09 3:33 PM
You lie.
Your post is full of lies.
Of course, Palin's answers to Couric etc. were designed to reflect McCain's positions and not her own. Freed from being part of that machine I believe she would perform much better, and her answers and evaluations would not strike Althouse as "dumb." It was obvious to me that Palin struggled to be McCain's surrogate in those situations. A lot of people are "executive" smart but not so good at the PR role on behalf of others.
Whew! At least it's winding down a bit. Can't wait for Ann to catch up and respond to all 400 posts ;)
What makes you think that Palin left any of that out to the vetting team?
Because these gaffes were revealed one by one, endlessly, like clowns coming out of the car at the circus. Had McCain been hip to her flaws, he would have finessed them or preemptively disclosed them.
Luckily for Obama, Biden's goofs had been in the public sphere for years, while Palin had been out of the media spotlight.
Sarah Palin isn't dumb unless she seriously sees herself in the office of POTUS. She is way too task oriented and hands-on to ever put herself in a role that would have her rope tied in process issues and political influence that absolutely define what goes on in Washington DC.
You can't change Washington DC from Washington DC. The pressure to change needs to come from the citizens of this great country. Palin will lead that effort outside the beltway for those who want smaller government, and I can't think of a single person who could do a better job.
"Luckily for Obama, Biden's goofs had been in the public sphere for years, while Palin had been out of the media spotlight."
Yeah everyone knew Biden was retarded. I feel so much better no knowing that someone with an 80 IQ is a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
former law student:
WRONG! McCain knew Bristol was pregnant BEFORE he picked VP.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.daughter/
former law student said...
Palin followed their plan to the letter.
To be fair, Palin left out a few things
ROFL....The first thing she told the campaign when they started to vett her was that her daughter was with child.
Funny how she wrote letters to editors to papers like the SF chronicle if she never read them. The video of newspapers on her desk also proves you wrong and lets not forget the world wide web. I hardly pick up a paper anymore but I read articles from the Post, NYT, London times, AP, rutgers, etc etc
She canacled the bridge to nowhere project and used the money for other prjects after Obama and Biden voted for the money
Do try to get your facts straight before you make yourself look like an idiot that sprouts off liberal talking points.
The insane hatred of Palin is beyond mental. Obama can't even think unless his teleprompter is there to assist him, yet he is presented as being smartest most articulate present ever even though he won't release his grades. Sarah Palin drives her enemies up the wall everytime she speaks. They remind me of the people that were infected in the movies 28 days and 28 weeks later! Sarah Paln isn't a typical polished politician, that is why she has so much appeal. She is a normal person with a good heart and not stuck up like Odrama. I can relate to her, and would love to have a beer with her and just talk about life. Dumb women don't go from being a member of PTA to mayor to governor to being a Vice Presidential candidate. That isn't dumb, that is an American success story.Who's more successful in althouse, you or her? I'd just thought I would throw that out there.
New thread:
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/11/ohdid-i-mention-althouse-is-dirty.html#comments
Alex,
To get a measly BSEE degree, I attended 4 colleges, three of them junior colleges. What's more it took ten full years. I suppose by your standards, I'm not too bright either.
In my case, it was a function of priorities. I had a job and a car payment when I started, and a mortgage and kids when I finished. And throughout, I worked somewhat more than full time.
One thing that spreading out a college education does not indicate is that the student is a quitter. Rather it shows that the student has a great deal of staying power, doing whatever is required to finish the degree.
Palin does those no answer answers so well. Says nothing and makes it sound like something.
Ann, you stand up for what you believe, girl. At 57 and post menopausal I would love to be called hormonal.
People will come to see what an empty shell Palin and what a mistake it would be to elect her to the highest office in the land. And who is the dimwhit that said that she was more qualified than Hilary. Say what you want about Hil, she is as smart, savvy, educated and experienced as they come. We could have done a lot worse than to have her as president. I don't even care for her and I think she is head and shoulders above anything Palin could hope to be. At least it looks like something is going on in her head when she talks.
Vicki from Pasadena
victoria:
Palin is more qualified to be President than Obama.
Death panels fits in a long illustrious history of conservative "game changers" like "Double down on Gitmo", "Joe the Plumber"...
No, it's very different from those other remarks or sobriquets (although you're free to amuse yourself by recalling them.) Palin's Facebook post, which was followed by virtually nothing else, i.e. no TV interviews, had both an immediate and long-term effect on the health care reform process. For better or worse, fairly or unfairly, it was a turning point. It did a lot more to affect public perceptions of this bill than Obama's speech before Congress. It was deft.
That's where she's smart. Not so smart is the way she has apparently decided to treat the story of her VP campaign. From this and other excerpts, I'm getting the distinct tone of whining. "I wanted to... but THEY wouldn't let me." "I warned them but THEY wouldn't listen." It's a wasted opportunity.
Ann, please tell me what "smart" means. I have an idea, but people I consider to be quite bright keep spitting up really stupid things.
I get that you don't like Sarah Palin. I'll reserve judgment on why. To come to the sort of conclusion that you have based on two pages taken alone shows a disregard for anything resembling truth. Your mind was already made up about Sarah Palin, you had just to massage the two pages into evidence that would support your previous conclusion.
Good job counselor. Don't hold your breath waiting for the publisher to send you the rest of the text.
Good thoughts, Ann --- especially since you voted for Obama, a man proving to be more than ready and qualified to be President and leader of the free world; a man who has had his lunch eaten by the likes of Putin , Medvedev, Amadinnerjacket, Chavez, Castro et al.
Solid basis for assessment Ann.
"Palin does those no answer answers so well. Says nothing and makes it sound like something."
Wow, victoria.
You're the only one on the planet who's accused Palin of being *good* at politician-speak.
Attractive though Palin is, there are many women who are equally attractive who would like to be governor of a state, any state. It is extremely difficult to become governor of a state from scratch, without some kind of money or power or political influence. The fact that Palin was able to do it indicates that she is anything but politically "dumb". (Neither is Obama, for that matter, and for the same reasons.) She started her life with basically nothing, and became a US governor. Dumb people don't do that. Period.
I have read 2 pages because that is all that has so far been made available. Let the publisher shoot me a digital file of the whole book right now and I'll start reading. But the book isn't out until the 17th, so to accuse me of taking this out of context is ridiculous.
You DID take the 2 pages out of context - the WHY doesn't matter.
Read the whole book and then comment ...... unless you've already made up your mind which seems readily apparent.
"Of course, Palin's answers to Couric etc. were designed to reflect McCain's positions and not her own."
And Couric's questions were designed to "catch" the damning fact that Palin hadn't been a sycophantic follower of McCain's career for her entire adult life.
FLS... the dribbling out of Palin foibles doesn't indicate that she didn't tell anyone. It indicates that McCain or the staffers running his campaign thought that dribbling them out there was better than putting them out there.
@andrea re: Althouse / Palin working mom compliment.
I agree. I'm upper half Gen X and it is a generational thing. When I was a teen, I remember some of the older guys saying similar things and it was HUGELY condescending.
But times change. One of things I marvel at is the difference in the father's role between my father's era and my own - how much things have improved.
It isn't condescending coming from a guy around my age because for the most part, *they do their part of the parenting now* and I certainly wouldn't expect it to be condescending coming from another working mother. Even the older guys, say 60+ something CEOs, have learned a few new tricks - and those guys are boomers. The others are out of the workforce or dead, so off the radar in any case.
Having said that, I wouldn't trust Katie Couric - ever. But that's nothing to do with feminism, that's just the MSM cynic in me.
I think that everyone is on the new thread.
Ann,
I'm confused.
Early in your piece, you attacked Palin asking why she trusted the press person assigned to her by the McCain campaign:
"Why didn't you have a say? There's that "really" hedging: You didn't really have a say. You're pleading passivity and impotence but you want us to think you have what it takes to be President of the United States?"
But, later in the piece you stated:
You agreed to take the subordinate position, and you had to know that their reasons for picking you had to do with image and style. If you weren't prepared to do it their way, you should not have accepted the part.
Which is it? Should Palin have accepted her orders and "to do it their way," or should she have questioned everything the campaign told her she needs to do?
Something that I learned a long time ago, is this: women can be real hard on other women. Why? I don't know.
No woman can be trusted by another woman. Women don't want other women to succeed. They may say they do, they may even talk a good game about networking, but don't believe it. In a woman's world, it is every gal for herself. Why the heck do you think the lib women want real women to hide their femininity and pretend to be just like men?
Professional women (yes like Ann) are the worst. Women who refuse to hide their best assets are to be brought down immediately. They have to be dumb, because they are so good looking and personable and we certainly can't let a woman advance based on those factors even if we agree with everything she says. We have to trash her because she doesn't fit our intolerant feminist role.
Anyway, I thought I'd chime in.
What a disappointing post by Ann, whom I usually find myself in agreement in.
When you take the king's coin, as Palin did, you follow the king's orders, as Palin did for as long as she could stand it. What she did not know at the time was that the McCain campaign high command wore clown shoes. Of course she trusted Nicole Wallace's judgement! Why not? Wallace was hired by McCain to help her.
Wasn't the objective to win?
Ann, you assume that everyone on the McCain Campaign had the same agenda as Palin, which was to win the election. That wasn't the case at all. Most were there to polish their resumes.They knew McCain was going to lose; in fact, the Romney appointees were there to make sure he lost, so Mittens could take over the Party in the wake of Obama's triumph.
I've been on campaigns before. Let's put it this way: no one, but no one, who ran McCain's Campaign will ever be allowed to skipper a national campaign by ANY Republican ever again, not if the Movement Conservatives have anything to do with it. And with the direction the Party is headed, they will.
Ann, trust me. Stupid people don't get elected Governor of Alaska. I know you feel you need to get back into the good graces of the people who are sitting around the Algonquin Table, but you are wide of the mark here. Sarah, like Obama, has what McCain and Biden never had: leadership genes. That's why they are frightened of her: she knows how to lead. Someone like Condi Rice, who is much smarter than Palin, couldn't lead a Sadie Hawkin's Dance. That's why the Democrats are constantly attacking Sarah: because they want to kill off our most effective leader.
I'm surprised you don't see this. Epic Fail, Ann.
Ann:
I'll go as far as "not ready for prime time" (not that it really matters).
While I think your analysis is fair, I wonder how it would've been covered if Palin had acted consistent with your analysis.
She would've been telling a staffer assigned to her by the McCain campaign to pound sand, that she (someone who'd biggest race had been for Governor of Alaska) knew better than this person the McCain people had put in charge how she should be introduced to the nation.
It would've been a no-win for her - indeed, it's been a no-win for her all along.
The media template has been "Palin is dumb".
The sour grapes McCainiacs template has been "She's dumb and a diva."
If she writes now "I listened to people who didn't know what they were doing," she gets savaged for "score settling."
As I read the excerpt, the subordinate candidate got talked into doing it the way the self-interested fool (I say "fool" because putting Palin in front of Couric was that stupid - - if she was trying to help the McCain campaign rather than her buddy Couric) put in charge of her wanted it done. It really wouldn't matter what arguments the staffer made - the second banana is supposed to do what the campaign says.
How does she tell the story without being accused of being bitter, settling scores, etc.?
Wow, talk about a premature ejaculation.
People,
Wait for the book, read it and judge it in its entirety.
Ann,
Nobody wants an intellectual in the White House as POTUS.
We need a leader. We don't have that now.
Palin is an experienced executive who thought the campaign knew for the most part what they were doing. We know now it was a mess. She is a leader and is leading with her Facebook and WSJ posts while other Republican possibles cower, and will going out on interviews on TV, Oprah, radio and the book tour.
What you have done is the blog equivalent of "The Ox-Bow Incident".
What is with the vitriol of women towards this woman? The crab mentality reminds me of what I encountered working in Mexico when the women all clawed each others' eyes out while the men laughed their heads off.
Come on we can do better than that.
The woman (or whoever wrote this drivel) sounds like a teenager.
And a majority here think this twit could actually serve as President of the United States.
Even the local wing nuts can't be that dense.
Then again...
Haven't read the book, and will have to withold my own judgment until I read more.
But I don't get your argument: you criticize her for going along with the McCain staff on their choice of Couric; but then you take issue with Palin going on to make her own media contacts and interviews.
I think that ultimately, she had to do what the McCain campaign told her: that was her duty when she agreed to run as his VP. It's unfortunate for her that his staff were so unprofessional and the campaign was so haphazard.
Sapwolf said..."We need a leader. We don't have that now."
Based on your own pea-brained, right wing opinion?
A majority of America believe President Obama IS a leader.
You and the rest of the Obama haters are in the minority and will remain there for the next 7 years.
I'm only half-way through the comments, but regardless, I've read the post (and I'd already read the extract earlier, found it to describe about what I myself had conjectured A YEAR AGO ...and so had drawn my own, quite a bit more complimentary conclusions regarding the piece) I think I can sum the post up at this point:
"Meow".
Dearest Ann darling, this simply is not one of your better efforts. Weak.
...retract your claws dearie. You're being obvious.
knox - "It's unfortunate for her that his staff were so unprofessional and the campaign was so haphazard."
But that's exactly how Princess Sarah was chosen.
Duh.
I'm a great fan of Palin, but I was a little disappointed with the quality of the writing. Like Ann Althouse, I much prefer the prose of Bill Ayers in Dreams From My Father (who abandoned me)
section - "When you take the king's coin, as Palin did, you follow the king's orders, as Palin did for as long as she could stand it."
As long as she could stand it??
She was a nothing before taking the "coin."
They knew they'd made a huge mistake the first time they sat her ass down and began to actually vet her.
She's going to grab as much cash as she can and anybody who thinks this twit will be the GOP's nominee in 2012 is even dumber than I thought...and based on the weak defense being offered up here for the Princess, that takes some doing.
Get over it.
reoconnot said..."I much prefer the prose of Bill Ayers in Dreams From My Father..."
And the dumb just keep getting dumber by the day.
Previously on Althouse: It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single blogger in possession of a good vortex, must be in want of a husband.
Now that Althouse is in possession of a good husband, it seems that she is in want of more vortex.
A majority of America believe President Obama IS a leader.
Ha, ha, ha, hee, hee, hee, LOL.
Yea right. Polls are down in the 40s, he has shown zero leadership qualities, and he is becoming the laughing stock of the country. Where have you been?
Jeremy, my Jeremy...only last week you were begging for the GOP to nominate the retard from nowhere. remamber I asked you for contributions to help palin get the Nomination so that Obama "could not lose". What has changed your attitude? Could it be that the sure loser is now Obama no matter who the GOP nominates???
A majority of America believe President Obama IS a leader.
You and the rest of the Obama haters are in the minority and will remain there for the next 7 years.
Really? Two years ago, according to Gallup, an overwhelming 67 percent of Americans thought government should be responsible for making sure every American had health insurance. The number today? 47 percent. The number who disagreed two years ago? 28 percent. Today? 50 percent.
What a leader! He's focused on basically one issue this year, and has managed to persuade millions of Americans who thought they wanted the government more involved in health care that, in fact, they don't want that at all.
A real man of genius.
For Jeremy, here's more evidence of how entralled America is by Obama's leadership: http://www.cnbc.com/id/33908889
US consumer sentiment fell in early November to the weakest in three months amid grim expectations for job and income prospects, a survey showed on Friday.
The Reuters/University of Michigan Surveys of Consumers said its preliminary index of sentiment for November fell to 66.0, the lowest since August, from 70.6 in October.
This was well below economists' median expectation of a reading of 71.0, according to a Reuters poll.
You can almost hear the chants: Seven more years! Seven more years!
wv: ackings. A bad cough in Cockney precincts.
Perfect, going into the holiday shopping season!
Can't tell if the pot is scorched or boiling over.
Quite apart from Palin (in that the following would be true regardless of the "who"), there's about the concept of "leading via Facebook posts" which disturbs.
Let me get this straight. Someone who voted for Obama is going to lecture us on people who are not to be trusted with presidential power in regards to dealing with "world leaders who will smile and exude pleasantries and then stab you in the back."
Ha ha. It is to laugh.
there's about the concept of "leading via Facebook posts" which disturbs.
Just think about it conceptually.
Sorry, I left the word "something" out of my last comment:
Quite apart from Palin (in that the following would be true regardless of the "who"), there's *something* about the concept of "leading via Facebook posts" which disturbs.
reader_iam:
You are aware that Obama had a Facebook following during the campaign, right? Getting the message out instantly (today it was re: "Obama Administration's Atrocious Decision to bring 9/11 terrorist mastermind to NYC") to over a million people sounds like a pretty GOOD idea to me.
John Stodder: ; )
You are aware that Obama had a Facebook following during the campaign, right?
Right!
So, getting the message out instantly to over a million supporters sounds like a BAD idea to you?
Nope.
Then, you'll have to be a little more specific what "disturbs" you? Are you also disturbed by Bell's invention of the telephone?
If so, are you a descendant of Elisha Gray's?
The Sarah apologists continue to astonish me. Reading between the lines, it is plain as day that they acknowledge that she is dreadfully unprepared to be President - unknowledgable, inexperienced, and unwilling even to attempt to make herself so. I mean the only thing she had going for her - and I do mean the ONLY thing - was that she was one of only 50 chief executives of a state. And she up and quit on that one! She simoply does not know what she is talking about three quarters of the time - and her apologists and enablers essentially admit as much. Her strength is that she is "one of us". Or that she has the ability to attract a crowd. Or that several hundred thousand people have a few dollars burning a hole in their pockets that they choose to throw away on her so-called "book". Or that she has nicer legs than Hillary Clinton. What idiocy!
John:
I support her ("Palin is more qualified to be President than Obama") and haven't made any of those arguments. Which "lines" are you reading in between, and how much have you been drinking this evening?
There also is a new thread on Palin (and Ace HQ rebuttal to Ann's points):
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/11/ohdid-i-mention-althouse-is-dirty.html#comments
Stupid people never know that they're stupid. That's one of the frustrating things about them.
Are you calling Ann "stupid" with even less evidence than she used?
Holy Crap!!
The conservative defensiveness on behalf of Palin is even greater than it was on behalf of Bush.
It's like somebody has just insulted your best friend, and now they are going to be snubbed for ever and ever!
Have conservatives always taken politics so personally? You act as if Palin is your BFF, while Obama is the guy who stole your girlfriend.
Everything is so visceral with you wingnuts.
It's really quite insane.
once again, palin paints herself as "the victim."
in so many words she is saying 'nicole wallace took advantage of me.''the campaign was stifling me''I couldn't get any work done because of the partisanship' (quitting). blah blah blah the "I am a victim" list is endless.
this is palin's standard m.o.. everything is ALWAYS someone else's fault. she's the innocent victim of all the evil people.
amazing that some cannot see the obvious.
I love Sarah Palin.
Nothing you say will stop me from voting for her.
I don't care if her Presidency is a disaster.
I just want Sarah, my hero, to be the leader of the free world.
Ann Althouse can suck on it.
Palin/Bachman 2012.
"Why didn't you have a say? There's that "really" hedging: You didn't really have a say. You're pleading passivity and impotence but you want us to think you have what it takes to be President of the United States?"
She didn't really have a say because she was John McCain's running mate. You are essentially attacking her for being a team member. Ridiculous.
"If Sarah Palin did not see the limited value of Nicolle Wallace's comment about Katie Couric, then she is too pollyannaish and unsophisticated to be trusted with presidential power."
Good grief. One - You're seriously extrapolating the decision to do an interview with presidential power? Two - Nothing suggests Sarah gave much value to the comments. The McCain team gave their justifications and Sarah went along. To repeat, Sarah was being a team player.
"Anyone with the stuff to be President would have said bullshit. Or something like: Look, I'm running for Vice President. I can't be distracted by some TV diva's need for an emotional boost..."
And the very next line you quote from Sarah, "I was thinking, And this has to do with John McCain’s campaign how?" Amusing. You're clearly too busy looking for reasons to bash her to notice she succiently summed up your rant in a single sentence.
"Chemistry? What is this, a date — perhaps just a coffee, so that if you don't like her it will be over soon, and you won't need to see her again?"
Weak and petulant. Does someone really need to explain personal chemistry to you?
"so why didn't you trust them or at least accept that you owed them control over the presidential campaign?"
That's really funny to read after you spend the first half of this post telling us how Sarah doing what they asked of her proved she wasn't qualified to be President.
"You should have been looking at the campaign strategy from every angle and building your sophistication, not just aching to burst free and expose yourself to the world — which, as you soon learned, did not go well."
Well it's impossible to do well when people like Ann Althouse simultaneously complains about her not being smart enough to make decisions for herself and for not being smart enough to do as she is told.
354 comments. Mine is:
told ya.
dumb....huh...madison wisconsin law prof....hmmmmmmm
dumb...huh...madison wisconsin law prof who voted for uhbuhma....let me go look up smart and I'll get back to you....
and 1 more thing....liberals cannot hide their disdain for the successful and attractive forever...it always comes out...often from those hiding in academia
BTW, how has betting on Biden worked out. From opposing the first Alaskan pipeline to the FISA bill, which blocked key information
with regard to 9/11 to the VAWA which was found unconstitutional
by the Supreme Court, to opposing
the Pershing deployment. It's a catalogue of wrong decisions. That
doesn't include his miscues about
Hezbollah being kicked out of Lebanon, or the non existent Katie's Diner for the last 20 years. Or his admonition not to fly a plane or ride a train to prevent H1NI flu. Or his plagiarism, both times. Or his
meandering question during the Roberts and Alito hearings
No disrespect meant to Ann when I say this, but Ann is the same Ann that voted for Barack Obama for president. And she's calling other people dumb or oblivious or trusting? Yowza.
But even more problematic is her attacks on Palin for both being too trusting and not trusting enough to the point where it seems a bit schizophrenic.
There is such a thing as being a team player and not rocking the boat and there is being a diva and demanding your own way. Palin, being the number 2 on the ticket deferred to Mccain and his handlers. That is not a matter of stupidity, that is knowing your place in the organization and not trying to push her own agenda ahead of the number one on the ticket, and if she did do so she would then be accused of sabotage. So she trusted Mccains handlers, who obviously were in the business more than she to steer her in the right direction.
Ann says "You're pleading passivity and impotence but you want us to think you have what it takes to be President of the United States?"
Uh Ann, wasn't she running for the vice president and wasn't Mccain running for president? She should have assumed that her role was that of president and undercut her boss? So, she DOES know what it takes to do the role assigned to her, that of VP. It was you critics saying "but what if Mccain dies and she has to assume the presidency". One could just as easily say the same about Obama, what if Biden died and Obama then had to assume the role of the presidency...oh wait... but it's a ludicrous argument since she wasn't running for president.
There are too many silly points you make to address up but here are a few.
You write:
Chemistry? What is this, a date — perhaps just a coffee, so that if you don't like her it will be over soon, and you won't need to see her again?
You are aware that there are hard hitting journalist pieces and then there are puff pieces and candidates of all stripes have to do both. Palin thought she should go with people like FOX news and was overruled.
Then you say:
he had trouble getting phone numbers? She "snuck" around, relying on friends? Like it's a Nancy Drew caper. And did she not see the downside of allowing right-winger to draw her out? That wasn't fair to McCain. McCain's people locked her down? Did she think carefully about their reasons? Does she think carefully about anything?
You just got finished saying how stupid she was to trust Noelle, and Sarah then describes how her handlers weren't getting her interviews with people like Rush and Hannity so she had to do it herself. Well which is it? You're first going to argue that she should have ignored her handlers bad advice but then argue that somehow taking initiative because her handlers were not doing it for her is somehow dropping the ball too?
You then follow up with this:
Apparently, they were afraid you were not ready, and they were right, so why didn't you trust them or at least accept that you owed them control over the presidential campaign? You agreed to take the subordinate position, and you had to know that their reasons for picking you had to do with image and style. If you weren't prepared to do it their way, you should not have accepted the part.
Do you not see the contradiction in this statement versus the one where you fault her for listening to the handlers? Well, didn't the handlers tell her to go on Katie Couric? What the hell do you want her to do. You seem to think she should be running for vice president and president at the same time to be both supordinate but also go out on a limb and not trust Mccains people when they tell her to do certain interviews.
Pick a position and stick with it!
Ann, I agree with what you said about Palin. Thanks for the mini review. I won't be buying this book because now I know there's nothing in it. There has never been any real substance to Palin, and now we learn all of her failings are someone else's fault. (Can you imagine what would have happened to Hillary had she whined like this???) I guess it is no surprise that the same people who thought W was doing a bang-up job think Palin hung the moon. Thanks for taking the time to write on this.
Hmmmm. . . Ms. Althouse might have screwed up here.
When she takes one of these ceremonial swipes at the right, it's usually to prove her even-handedness. A sort of "I voted for Obama," before she goes back to serving up the usual conservative red meat.
But the wingnuts just might not forgive her for this one.
Criticizing Palin is even worse than criticizing Bush!
I'm sorry that the left has only two colors of crayons in their box.
It's entirely possible to look at someone like Palin and find faults AND to say she's still a provocative and interesting politician who gets the President of the free world to respond to her Facebook posts.
I don't know if that boggles your mind or not, but it shows how little the Man-child President is a leader and how much she is a leader just by speaking her mind plainly.
You know we do have an example, of what Anne might have meant. when she did start with more interviews with Hewitt, Hannity, Williams, etc
what was Althouse's reaction. When one zeroes in on Jeremiah Wright's influence, on the electricity rates that would have tonecessarily
skyrocket. From the benefit of hindsight, who was right and who was wrong again
How dare you call her dumb, Ann, even though there's plenty of material out there to suggest she is dumb. (If you still doubt this, watch her rambling, incoherent answers to questions on the economy in the Couric interview. Utter cluelessness.)
What you see in a lot of the posts here are expressions of the new right-wing identity politics that requires knee-jerk attacks on all who would criticize Palin. Forget about Palin's substance, or lack thereof. She's "our girl Sarah" or she's a "teabagger just like us" and thus even her stupidity must be defended.
Actually her quitting did serve the public. Because of the legal problems wrought by the Dems against her she was unable to give full attention to the problems of Alaska. By quitting in favor of her Lt=Gov who shared her beliefs she did serve the people of Alaska better than if she had stayed and tried to serve the people and also respond to the legal charges, meaningless as they are, that she was faced with. I give her great credit for actually doing her duty for the people like this rather than drag it all out and giving half attention to each side.
Why didn't you have a say? There's that "really" hedging: You didn't really have a say. You're pleading passivity and impotence but you want us to think you have what it takes to be President of the United States?
Sorry Ann, this is the biggest pile of horse shit you've ever written.
If she had spurned McCain's orders and the advice of his campaign staff, do you have any idea how quickly that would have become the main story of the campaign? She would have been portrayed as a loose cannon, diva, publicity hound, etc., by about two orders of magnitude more than she already was getting. Maybe even bumped from the ticket. Use your noodle for Christ's sake. This was a can't-win scenario for Mrs. Palin.
If I were her and had to do it over again, I'd tell McCain to take a flying fuck at a rolling donut, complete two terms as the most popular and accomplished governor in Alaska's history, serve a distinguished and productive term or two in the Senate and/or a few years as Energy Secretary, and then at the age of 58 or so, win the Presidency in my own right by a landslide.
The Palin apologists are laughable. These folks really see her as presidential material, despite her losing veep candidacy, despite her quitting as governor, despite her thin resume and embarrassing debate and interview performances.
It's as if the only thing that matters to them is ideological purity. Yes, that's the sorry state of today's GOP.
Gee Bob Smith...You are so right on about ridiculing the silly Palinistas. Nothing they do will last, and if it does you can just tell them again that they are stupid idiots rebelling against their betters. Feel better now, while she continues to wipe out your best attacks...she is inside your OODA loop bigtime. She is on the top of the hill now and yelling out for her raiders to rally around her.
TraditionalGuy -- If you're talking character, one thing Washington never did was quit on the job.
Actually, his first campaign as a militia colonel in the French and Indian war was mostly unsuccessful; he even surrendered his garrison to the French and was briefly a prisoner of war at the Battle of Fort Necessity in 1754. He resigned his commission rather than accept a demotion to captain.
He volunteered for another campaign in 1755, but when he was turned down for a commission in the regular British Army in 1758, he resigned his commission in the militia for the second time.
We're going to blow right through 400 comments?!?
Professor, no matter how many times you serve up Sarah Palin you'll never overtake Glenn Reynolds so you might as well quit.
FWIW, I don't think Sarah Palin was ready to be a national candidate, and there's nothing in the pages cites by the Professor to counterindicate that. It's not clear that she'll be ready three years from now.
But I still like her best of the four (McCain, Obama, and Biden besides the former governor of Alaska). She's real, and that's very rare in a politician. Even at the state delegate level it's rare to find someone who isn't pretty phony.
As for the pair who won, I've never been much impressed with either of them. I hate to hire Ivy League grads right out of college -- too many have a sense of entitlement and not much sense that they nevertheless have to prove themselves. There is nothing I've seen about Barack Obama that suggests he's a counterexample.
As for the person she was matched against, I'll ask you, Professor, which is the larger gaffe -- the one you cite in your post where Ms. Palin lets herself get talked into the Katie Couric interview, or being a Constitutional Law professor and not knowing which branch of the government is established in Article I of the Constitution?
"Actually her quitting did serve the public. Because of the legal problems wrought by the Dems against her she was unable to give full attention to the problems of Alaska."
What a tired meme, repeated mindlessly and in the same format by all who carry watery talking points for the GOP.
Purveyors of this tripe--the Palin apologists--would have us believe that Palin was the only of the 50 governors hounded by a hostile opposition party; the only one to ever face a lawsuit while in office; and that Alaska's hardball politics are uniquely treacherous.
Defending Palin against any and all attacks, regardless of merit, has become a sort of loyalty test to the far right. A clear sign of a movement and a party both confused and in decline. And to think that Republicans accuse Dems of identity politics?
This is only her first book. Once she writes a second book, she'll be qualified to be President.
Mitch Daniels 2012
Yep. Palin favors the Canadian route to get natural gas to the US, instead of the much shorter Valdez All-Alaskan pipeline + LNG tankers.
That's because it will be a cold day in hell before the watermelon environmentalists who control CA, OR, and WA will permit an LNG terminal to be built off the west coast. And sending them through the Panama Canal is off-limits.
"She was naive, I think. That's a lot different than being dumb. Or destructively unwise (see our current administration)."
intellectually incurious is a dumb that can't be fixed.
"This so-called "dumb" woman stampeded the US House, Senate, and President just by making a few posts on Facebook.
Who's dumb in this situation?"
All that proves is that there are somehow people dumber even than her.
Okay, I've never asked this on an open forum before (or a closed one for that matter) but I'd love to hear a reasoned response to my question. How was it that the Obama campaign was able to make so much of Palin's inexperience while not raising the question of their own candidates experience.
I didn't understand that then. I don't understand that now.
Obama vs. Palin? The only ones who push this comparison are Republicans disgruntled at last year's election results, desperately trying anything to elevate Palin's stature.
Call me a snob, but Obama studied poli sci and law at Columbia and Yale, and taught con law at U. of Chicago, before entering politics. Pretty impressive.
Palin got a degree in broadcasting (an actual major) from U of Idaho (the BEST of the 5 colleges she attended) before setting out on a career of fishing. She then became mayor of an iceberg before her prematurely truncated stint as governor of an even larger iceberg.
Only the uninformed or delusional would seriously contend that Palin compares favorably to Obama in any substantive way.
Palin is stupid for allowing herself to be used in ways that were damaging to the campaign. She had an obligation to stand her ground. I blame his staff and him for taking it there. I blame her for allowing it. A common Republican conservative soccer mom would know better than to ever ever trust couric.
But I don't get your argument: you criticize her for going along with the McCain staff on their choice of Couric; but then you take issue with Palin going on to make her own media contacts and interviews.
Little kids sneak around their parents when their parents say no, not great big moms like Sarah Palin. Mature people face the problem head on and persuade their staff to do things their way.
If Palin was having trouble with her staff, why did she not go to McCain to get the situation resolved? The only answer I can think of is that they were never aligned to begin with. Sarah's not a team player, after all.
"???? she was gov. of people not square miles. smallest state in the union."
That must explain why the guy out of the tiny state of DELAWARE is an unqualified doofus as VP.
Neither Obama nor Biden have had real leadership experiences and skills, and its showing - Obama's dithering on Afghanistan, his apology tours, his domestic policy fiddling-while-the-economy-burns approach is ... well, DUMB would be far too kind to the level of incompetence we are seeing.
How was it that the Obama campaign was able to make so much of Palin's inexperience while not raising the question of their own candidates experience.
Obama sounded like he knew what he was talking about whereas Palin seemed to be caught by surprise all the time. Perception is reality.
Plus she had that horrible Fargo the movie accent.
If I were her, I would educate myself on global and national issues, and get an accent coach to soften the rough edges.
"Call me a snob, but Obama studied poli sci and law at Columbia and Yale, and taught con law at U. of Chicago, before entering politics. Pretty impressive."
I will just call you an idiot. Who cares what his resume is? What matters is what does he know and what does he think. What he knows is not much. And what he thinks is that the proper course when the country is in the worst recession in 70 years is to raise taxes and regulation and spend the government into bankruptcy. Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you are right or know anything. Obama is ignorant and callow. No number of degrees, no matter how presigous will change that.
Well to be fair, Katie asked some really tough questions, like "scianica
What newspaper do yo read?"
"Obama sounded like he knew what he was talking about whereas Palin seemed to be caught by surprise all the time. Perception is reality."
No he didn't. He never said jack shit. Name one topic Obama ever spoke intelligently about and tell me what he said. You won't be able to do that because he never said anything of substance. He said bullshit that was opaque enough to let people project their own beliefs onto it.
Say what you want about Palin. But don't pretend that Obama is anything but a callow moron. He is easily the least qualified and least intelligent President in American history.
"Personally, I don't think Palin has what it takes to be president. A lot of really gifted people – more gifted than Palin – don’t meet that hurdle."
Alas, one of them is Obama. Gifted in teleprompter oration, okay in Chicago-style politicking, mediocre in leadership, inexperienced (and it shows) in executive matters, and an ignoramus on America's values and roots of our economic success.
He's all set to be the worst President in decades, with the over/under at the Jimmy carter level.
Personally, I think Palin has been so under-estimated by detractors that any statements of what she can or cannot do really are moored in perception not reality.
Quite apart from Palin (in that the following would be true regardless of the "who"), there's about the concept of "leading via Facebook posts" which disturbs.
They said the same thing about Reagan's radio bits back in the 1960's.
Freedom's Truth,
Obama knows nothing about economics or how the country actually works. He is an utter moron. The only reason he is not a laughing stock and considered the dumbest President in American history is that guilty white liberals would never admit that a black man is less than intelligent no matter how obvious it is.
So instead we will have four years of FLS and the like telling us how brilliant our special President really is despite all evidence to the contrary.
John, what taxes has Obama raised? Maybe you forgot that little part of the stimulus (almost 40%) that consisted of tax CUTS. As for regulation, after the worst banking crisis since the great depression, it just makes sense and even a lot of republicans agree.
What Palin proves is that, to the conservative republican palintards, you can never be wrong or stupid as long as you agree with them on core issues. It's the 9/12 Beck syndrome.
OMG. This post is everywhere on the internet. I was almost going to defend Ann against Ace's characterisation of her (unfounded, as well as alleging that we her commenters are lefties who froth at the mouth when she disses Obama -- a ridiculous comment to anyone who has ever been a commenter here), but you know, I think not.
I'd rather defend Ann when she is right.
This post was the DUMBEST written one I've ever seen on this blog. If it was written with blog traffic in mind, I don't know.
But it was certainly not written with the professor's usual deconstructive acumen.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
Cheers,
Victoria
"John, what taxes has Obama raised? Maybe you forgot that little part of the stimulus (almost 40%) that consisted of tax CUTS. As for regulation, after the worst banking crisis since the great depression, it just makes sense and even a lot of republicans agree."
Obama is pushing Cap and Trade that will effectively double the price of energy in this country. He is also pushing for a health care plan that will create marginal tax rates over 50% on high income earners. Furhter, as he dithers and tries to get this insanity pushed through Congress, he is creating uncertainty and depressing investment.
As far as the banking crisis, he continued TARP and spent trillions bailing out banks that are still broke. He just put off the pain and did nothing for the economy.
As far as regulations go, government regulation caused the damn crisis. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are just doing the same thing "community reinvestment give loans to people who can't afford them" that caused the crisis in the first place. Obama has done everything he could to make the crisis worse. He is a complete economic idiot. Oh and have you notice the price of gold lately? He is going to give us inflation to go with our 11%+ unemployment.
Chris:
"She was naive, I think. That's a lot different than being dumb. Or destructively unwise (see our current administration)."
intellectually incurious is a dumb that can't be fixed.
"This so-called "dumb" woman stampeded the US House, Senate, and President just by making a few posts on Facebook.
Who's dumb in this situation?"
All that proves is that there are somehow people dumber even than her."
Umm, Chris, I hate to point out my wisdom, but you've just called the entire Democrat ruling class stupid. Including (and I need to point this out because it's subtle) your President Man-Child Barack.
So do you really want to make that point? Because it's really a self-hosting petard you're proposing.
But she's hot and has charisma, so she's still a serious contender. And let's not forget that amazing 3 point throw she threw to win the high school basketball game. . .
Yes, she is dumb. On par with W I'd say. Which means that neocon handlers would be running her Presidency and we already know how that ends up.
How does raising taxes and regulations on our own energy and manufacturing industries, have a positive effect. Do you see Russia, China, or India, eager to do this. How does slashing hundreds of billions from Medicare
help the elderly. How does slashing our military in the middle
of at least two active campaigns
make any sense. Stalling on Afghanistan, while the Taliban run wild, How about that stimulus, how many jobs has it created in your area.
They said the same thing about Reagan's radio bits back in the 1960's.
Quite apart from that undefined "they" (and I'm saying that in the spirit of fair warning that you're likely off base in your assumptions w/r/t reader_iam), the analogy is inapt in a number of ways, not least that radio was a quite mature technology by the time of Reagan's presidency (which he well knew, having been a radio announcer decades earlier). Once cannot make the same case for Facebook, much less politicians' [no typo there!] use of it.
I find guys like bobsmith interesting.
He's going to insist that Obama cut taxes, and probably also that he's "saved or created jobs".
But of course, people are paying more taxes already. (Largest cigarette tax hike in history?) And this will only get worse as more legislation passes.
Guys like bobsmith will pretend this never happened or "it doesn't matter because..."
Just as more and more people will continue to be out of jobs no matter how extreme the numerical fakery is.
So, next year, it's going to come down to "Who do you believe? Me or your lying wallet?" And should people choose not to believe the statists, this will be because they're stupid, they voted against their interests, or they listened to the lies by Fox/Glenn Beck/Limbaugh or whoever.
Someone on one of these threads said "PR is everything." Well, sure it is, until it comes smashing up against reality.
John, think back to the late 90s. We repealed legislation (Glass Steagall) that regulated banks. Was our banking system better then or now?
As for inflation, you guys have been screaming about inflation for a year now. Where is it? And don't cite the price of gold...yawn.
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