IN THE COMMENTS: Palladian writes:
And why not? Those of us who believe that philosophy and ideology trumps race and sex as proper measures of a person's competence to hold high office will get branded racists sooner or later, so why not get it over with?That reminds me. Rush called Sotomayor a racist. He quotes something she once said — "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life" — and declaims "So here you have a racist. You might want to soften that. You might want to say 'a reverse racist.'" He adds that Obama is "the greatest living example of a reverse racist and now he's appointed one."
Obama got into office partially because of the success of this foul sort of racial extortion, so of course he's going to continue to use it as a political tool.
It's time for the Republicans to show that they can be as vindictive and nasty as the Democrats have been during every Republican Supreme Court hearing in the last 20 years or so. What have they got to lose?
ADDED: Here's the transcript of the show. Let me extract another tidbit:
[T]he odds that she could be stopped are long. Perhaps the biggest pitfall she faces is her own confirmation hearings. She might slip up there and might say something that would give the opposition a home run. But even then they're going to have to be willing to take advantage of it. By the way, do you know that Obama opposed both Roberts and Alito? Barack Obama opposed them both, and in both cases -- of John Roberts, the current chief justice, and Samuel Alito -- he said, "Oh, they're perfectly qualified and they've both got perfect judicial temperament. But I'm going to vote against them," because to him it's about ideology. It's about liberalism. He thought these two guys were conservatives, and it didn't matter to him what their judicial temperament or qualifications were. He voted against both of those.I thought Obama was wrong to vote like that, and I can see how he deserves to have it come back to bite him. If confirmation is about agreeing with the ideology, then Republicans might want to vote against Sotomayor. But confirmation should not be about ideology, and conservatives ought to want to prove that principle by their votes. Use the confirmation hearings to delineate what liberal judicial ideology is and why people ought to reject it. Then get a good presidential candidate for 2012 and make Supreme Court nominations an issue. Is that too hard? Does that take too long? Too bad! You say you want a Justice who will tell the truth about what the Constitution means. But here's something about what the Constitution means: The President has the appointment power.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 215 of 215Mr. Oaf, you'll have to show your card establishing your bonafides as a member of a persecuted ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation to be taken seriously on this topic.
As a male lawyer from Cleveland who counts "The Big Lebowski" among his favorite movies, I really don't think you're going to make the cut. You can't get much more white, male, or straight than that.
"Rush Limbaugh advises Republicans to "take it to the mat" and fight Sonia Sotomayor as strongly as possible."
Um hm. Right after you tell me why this mat burn might make me look pretty, Rush?
Quayle: Fat, rich, white guy says it: that fact alone removes it from the need for any further serious consideration.No, you forgot the part of Rush being a hardcore oxy fiend. Is that a low-blow? Sure, but isn't it also relevant to know that Rush spent years during commercial breaks having his assistant make illegal drug deals for him, and he'd go home at night and end up in the fetal position on his bathroom floor from all the drugs?
Rush may have talent as an entertainer, but you also know that he'll always disagree with anything a Democrat says or does, which is pretty worthless from a commentator. And he'll disagree with Republicans when they are not being lock-step enough Republicans. He went off on my former governor, George Voinovich, just because Voinovich thought Bush should be more fiscally responsible with the budget. This disloyalty to Bush's bad policies (which we are currently suffering from) was apparently unacceptable to Rush.
It's fine that Althouse likes to listen and write about Rish a lot. I guess she's being a Camille Paglia copycat in that, but it's cool. You guys, Althouse's right-wing commenters, though, actually hang on Rush's every word. And Rush is a fraud. HE, like many of the pundits on TV, and many who write awful books such as Ann Coulter, discovered you can make fortunes just being a hyper-partisan. But you want the rest of us to take that stuff seriously?
Synova, the timeline I recall: Roberts nominated, some brouhaha-ish behavior, not too boorish, because he wasn't a woman. I think he was on track to be confirmed by the time O'Connor wanted to retire, but then the CJ died, and Roberts was nominated for that instead. My recollection is that confirmation hearings hadn't happened before Rehnquist died. Roberts is confirmed as CJ, and then Miers is nominated, to the astonishment of many and to the alarm of many Republicans. My recollection is that her nomination derailment was very much driven by the far-right Republicans who were worried about a Souter. Miers' nomination was withdrawn, and Alito's was put forth, with the battleline-ish results we all remember fondly, or not so fondly.
My disclaimer: I have forgotten so much in my life -- why should this narrative be any different? :)
"So, PatCA would have no problem if the USSC comprised nine Latinas -- he'd have no worries that they might not give an aging white male an even break."
Correct. I do not care about the race or gender of a justice. I assume that given the nomination process, even a crippled, gay, woman of color would be fair to all us people of pallor.
Enigmatic, that's what I'm sayin'. The Reps should be ladies and gentlemen and use this as a teachable moment. (It's bad form for a lawyer to scream--it shows he's losing the argument.) There is a chance that someone who gets their Obama news from Entertainment Tonight might be watching.
@Loafing, elsewhere in this thread I compared Rush Limbaugh to Keith Olbermann, and noted that outside of their politics being diametrically opposed, the main differences are (1) Olbermann is more knee-jerk and less intelligent, and (2) Rush is less nasty. There's also (3) Olbermann is on TV and Rush on talk radio.
Republican senators should oppose Sotomayor because (1) they've already tried accommodation to a sitting Democrat president's choices (Ginsberg and Beyer), and received the back of the Democrats' hand in exchange (the confirmations of Roberts and especially Alito). So now is the time to Bork Sotomayor until she can't see straight.
(That's assuming she currently has the ability to see straight, which seems poorly supported by her positions on cases such as Ricci.)
BTW, you self-proclaimed oaf, you wrote "You guys, Althouse's right-wing commenters, though, actually hang on Rush's every word." I'll call BS on that. I, for one, don't even listen to talk radio at all, much less Rush Limbaugh. As I said way back near the start of this thread, the reason to oppose Sotomayor is not Rush Limbaugh. It's Ricci.
What I am really saying about the hog is the backdrop the hog is up against.
If you are thin the hog can look bigger because you have thin backdrop or canvas. If you are a chubb the hog gets overwhelmed by the fat and therefore even a large hog will still look quite small.
Other than that I am proud that Rush is our standard bearer. He is the future of our party and we as a country are better off for him and his wonderful work.
I think we should confirm Sorta-Meiers.
It fits perfectly with our evil Catholic plot to take over the country.
2/3 Catholic! Yes. We'll have the red phone installed in judges chambers. (Direct hotline to B16)
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OK since we're admiring Sonia's ability to congratulate and specialize herself, I would just like to say that I am damn proud of that "Sorta-Meiers" hack on her name. That rawks.
Palladian: But you're right, Loafy, I'm on the internet 25 hours a day, 8 days a week, watching for you, ready to pounce!I don't mind if you troll me. But you go on about others being "trolls" so it makes you a hypocrite....
And it is only I who can command Sarah Palin's pussy to release its painful grip on your leg.So you won't answer why you supported McCain's use of gender politics but then post the shit Althouse quoted from you today.
Because I can also call upon Sotomayor's pussy to chew your other leg off.You instantly called on the GOP to be brutal on Sotommayor, just for silly psrtian reasons. But at the same time you'll whine for the rest of your life about how people were mean to that idiot of a VP candidate, Sarah Palin. It's not our fault Sarah Palin didn't know jack squat about anything when subjected to intervews. It's not our fault your standards are so low you think an ignoramous like Palin is a great leader.
Th question is, why did you instantaneously call for Solomayor to be ripped apart two seconds after Obama named her? That says it all about you. The record of comments on this blog shows I only started attacking Palin when she deserved it.
Sotomayor is Obama's Scalia. At the time Scalia was nominated Italian Americans were key cross-overs to the Republicans as part of the ethnically centered Reagan Democrats movement. It was also true at the time that relatively few Catholics had served on the court/were serving, so that also played into the politics of the appointment. The fact that Scalia would be the first Italian American was stressed in just about every comment and news report (Henry Abrahams who wrote Justices, Presidents and Senators actually counted or perhaps better said sampled this). It was, at the time a source of immense pride in the Italian American Community, so yes, that is a good example of what is happening now.
As in the Scalia case, members of the Senate who come from states where there are large numbers of Latinos (then Italian-Americans) will not work to block the the nomination (Florida, the Southwest, etc). This puts it well above the 60 vote barrier.
Sauce, goose, gander
Having slept on it, a few thoughts.
i appreciate Althouse's idea that so long as the person is of Supreme Court caliber, they should be appointed. And i am 90% there, but you know, bias is something that really sticks in my craw.
And having looked into the Ricci case more and more, i see how utterly inappropriate her "wise latina" commentwas. It seems plain to me that she saw Ricci as just a white male, and ignored utterly the he himself belonged to a group that was kicked around, too. She was blinded by his color. And that is unacceptable.
And the lower court decision was in fact ridiculous. It claimed that there was no racial discrimination at all, which is downright farcical. Of course there was racial discrimination, the only issue was whether it was justified. My understanding is that the 2nd circuit basically said nothing about it, and thus in effect ratified that silly notion.
The fact is that Ricci et al took the test, and then the testing officials looked at the racial makeup of the test takers and said, "oh crap, there are too many white guys." that is racial discrimination. That doesn't mean it is automatically wrong under present law, but there is no question that is racial discrimination. I find it particularly interesting that when discussing the results, they didn't match the scores to names, but did to their color. It was all that mattered to them.
Any sane jurist would have taken one look at that decision and said that at the very least the lower court had to be corrected on its flawed logic--even if it reached the right conclusions. And it bluntly is a pox on all three judges on the panel to the extent that they didn't.
There are better candidates. Let's find one.
But i will add that i have since dialed back my outrage at her comment that on the courts of appeals, that is where policy is made. while one senses that she approves, her literal words were that she was describing reality, and not advocating that it be done.
But her comment was racist and sexist. She has no business sitting on the highest bench, or else she would have to recuse herself out of every anti-discrimintion case. I think she actually has bias, she at the very least has the appearance of bias, and is unsuited to sit in.
Try it this way. suppose you were a white man fighting against discrimination of any kind (be it racial, gender-based, or even on some unrelated trait). who would you rather stand before? Soto? Or just about anyone else?
Btw, FLS, you never did answer my question...
Either on a previous thread, or very much earlier on this one (or maybe some other blog), a commenter wondered whether her mother was still alive, presumably so she could have a feeling of great pride for her daughter. I don't know whether she is in fact alive or not. But if she is, I really sincerely hope she gets the opportunity to be present as her daughter goes through the confirmation process and gets to have that moment of pride she would undoubtedly feel. And then is reduced to tears (and not joyful ones). You know, just like Mrs. Alito.
lower court decision was in fact ridiculous. It claimed that there was no racial discrimination at all, which is downright farcical. Of course there was racial discrimination, the only issue was whether it was justified.
The lower court pointed out that no one was promoted, whether white, black, or Latino, so how could there have been racial discrimination? Nobody's status changed in any way.
The mere fact that you took an exam does not entitle you to be promoted, no matter how well you scored, or how much you counted on it. You might as well sue your mother for not coming through with some anticpated treat.
you never did answer my question
? Could you ask it again?
"Lesbians love whale watching."
Palladian...
When one is as consistently as crude as you have seemed to become, the interventionist in me would offer some advice...you need help and fairly soon. There isn't much of an excuse for your current evolved mannerisms and they are offensive.
Laughing Oaf nailed you for what you are. Sometimes it isn't a good thing to fight the truth....and posting as often as you do ... well so little to say and infinite room to say it....
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